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Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 19-04-2017 16:54

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Before this season, me and [b]aikaik[/b] decided to once and for all to find out who can call himself the best Manager in the office. So on day 1 (of the current season 54), we both made a complete reset of our Hockey teams and started over from scratch. The goal is (apart from having fun, of course) to find out who can get to division 1 first. We'll try to avoid discussing our strategies too much amongst ourselves to make sure we both make our own individual choices through our Hockey Manager careers. It'll be intriguing to see how we tackle (pun) the various challenges ahead. Already after just 9 days some trends are beginning to emerge. We'll both post in this thread on regular occasion, so check back if you are interested in hos this epic battle continues.Before this season, me and aikaik decided to once and for all to find out who can call himself the best Manager in the office. So on day 1 (of the current season 54), we both made a complete reset of our Hockey teams and started over from scratch.

The goal is (apart from having fun, of course) to find out who can get to division 1 first. We'll try to avoid discussing our strategies too much amongst ourselves to make sure we both make our own individual choices through our Hockey Manager careers. It'll be intriguing to see how we tackle (pun) the various challenges ahead. Already after just 9 days some trends are beginning to emerge.

We'll both post in this thread on regular occasion, so check back if you are interested in hos this epic battle continues.

 

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Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 19-04-2017 16:59

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And to make this thread start extra interesting for those who happen to see it straight away, the first League match between us is just 20 minutes away. :) http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=138901836 My scout matches are clearly in favor of me, but I hear rumors that ITS has recently strengthened with a German center...And to make this thread start extra interesting for those who happen to see it straight away, the first League match between us is just 20 minutes away. :)

http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=138901836

My scout matches are clearly in favor of me, but I hear rumors that ITS has recently strengthened with a German center...

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 19-04-2017 17:36

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[img]http://managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=news&id=first_match_himna_vs_ITS[/img] Couldn't be any clearer who's gotten the best start. [H]

Couldn't be any clearer who's gotten the best start.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By smiller29 - 19-04-2017 18:18

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first few season's won't likely mean too much. conserving money is definitely a strategy. of course, i play in Canada where you are guaranteed to be in div 1 in your 2nd season anyway.first few season's won't likely mean too much. conserving money is definitely a strategy. of course, i play in Canada where you are guaranteed to be in div 1 in your 2nd season anyway.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By floodish - 19-04-2017 19:06

[BotP]

will be interesting to follow this one on one battle, good luck to bothwill be interesting to follow this one on one battle, good luck to both

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By agapitod (HMA) - 20-04-2017 07:30

[France]

Are you playing welcome cups? Go for it and build the stadium with the revenue :)Are you playing welcome cups? Go for it and build the stadium with the revenue :)

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 20-04-2017 09:24

[BFTF]

I think it will probably take us a while to get to div 1, we have both started from div 5 and with the new system, our current division is packed full with recently signed up (human) teams, which is clear if you look at aikaik's troublesome start to the season... But of course :) I was recently knocked out in the quarter final of one. Had high hopes there but a 1-0 loss sent me out. I think aikaik has been knocked out almost straight away in his cups though. The stadium has received a couple of much needed upgrades. Thanks, I think we'll need it :)

smiller29 wrote:

first few season's won't likely mean too much. conserving money is definitely a strategy. of course, i play in Canada where you are guaranteed to be in div 1 in your 2nd season anyway.

I think it will probably take us a while to get to div 1, we have both started from div 5 and with the new system, our current division is packed full with recently signed up (human) teams, which is clear if you look at aikaik's troublesome start to the season...

agapitod wrote:

Are you playing welcome cups? Go for it and build the stadium with the revenue :)

But of course :) I was recently knocked out in the quarter final of one. Had high hopes there but a 1-0 loss sent me out. I think aikaik has been knocked out almost straight away in his cups though. The stadium has received a couple of much needed upgrades.

floodish wrote:

will be interesting to follow this one on one battle, good luck to both

Thanks, I think we'll need it :)

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By aikaik (Crew) - 20-04-2017 10:45

[MZS]
President

It is clearly something wrong, must be a bug with this match... [H] Although my new Portuguese keeper did a good job, I will definitely need to improve the overall face-off skills in the team. Thank you, it looks like I will need it more, after the first battle between us [;)] I lost right away but hope for better results in the next one. [:)]

powdersnow wrote:

Couldn't be any clearer who's gotten the best start.

It is clearly something wrong, must be a bug with this match... Although my new Portuguese keeper did a good job, I will definitely need to improve the overall face-off skills in the team.

floodish wrote:

will be interesting to follow this one on one battle, good luck to both

Thank you, it looks like I will need it more, after the first battle between us

agapitod wrote:

Are you playing welcome cups? Go for it and build the stadium with the revenue :)

I lost right away but hope for better results in the next one.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 22-04-2017 18:46

hey powdersnow and aikaik, you both are so bad [:S] i am most probably going to have to lose my Friendly League [Pool] Newbie Senior - Daily #608 just coz u and your mate decided to have your 'lets see who's better' games [:S][:D] as of now i'm trailing both of you (and many others), thanks to a 5 keeping (maxed) keeper given to me by the crew [:P][;)] so im just waiting excitedly for the 14 day period to end so that i can get my team back on track [;)] tho i must say that the crew's given me a good attack, which is why i've got the highest GF in our Friendly League [;)] i lost closely to powdersnow in our recently concluded match. very close but my bad keeper cost me a win [:(] but that wont be happening the next time we meet my friend [;)] here's the match result btw - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=197748&mid=140367742hey powdersnow and aikaik, you both are so bad :S i am most probably going to have to lose my Friendly League [Pool] Newbie Senior - Daily #608 just coz u and your mate decided to have your 'lets see who's better' games :S:D as of now i'm trailing both of you (and many others), thanks to a 5 keeping (maxed) keeper given to me by the crew :P;) so im just waiting excitedly for the 14 day period to end so that i can get my team back on track ;) tho i must say that the crew's given me a good attack, which is why i've got the highest GF in our Friendly League ;)

i lost closely to powdersnow in our recently concluded match. very close but my bad keeper cost me a win :( but that wont be happening the next time we meet my friend ;)

here's the match result btw - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=197748&mid=140367742

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 24-04-2017 14:37

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Yeah that was a close one, loyal. Must say that I have had a fair bit of luck in these early stages. Just made it to the quarter finals of another Welcome Cup, after being down 1-4 we won the game 5-4 [:O][:D] But now we're up against the team that knocked us out of the last Welcome cup, and they will most likely send us out again. Nevertheless, good fun to get some early match wins under the belt. Certainly improves the atmosphere at the club.Yeah that was a close one, loyal. Must say that I have had a fair bit of luck in these early stages. Just made it to the quarter finals of another Welcome Cup, after being down 1-4 we won the game 5-4

But now we're up against the team that knocked us out of the last Welcome cup, and they will most likely send us out again. Nevertheless, good fun to get some early match wins under the belt. Certainly improves the atmosphere at the club.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 24-04-2017 15:11

well looking at some of your games its hard to say that luck didnt favour u [:P][;)] especially the '1 goal margin' wins against tough teams in our Friendly League [:P] but you've had your share of fair and deserving victories too [:D] i got knocked out of the last Welcome cup in round 1 coz i got a venezuelan team named FERRABARCA HC, which is very strong atm. better watch out mate, coz if u win tomorrow you'll be up against him in the semis [;)][:S] this time i too am through to the QFs. must say i got lucky at the start since i'd my matches against relatively easy teams [:D] but today's match was a scare lol. equalized in the 56th min and then had my player score in over time to cap off a 5-4 thrilling win [:O][;)] guess my bad keeper's gonna let me down real soon xd [:S][:P] hoping to win tomorrow. looks real tough since my opponent beat a very good team today maybe coz of his GK. but if i do win, then i'm gonna raid the market and most probably buy all my permitted 8 foreigners in a day and be combat ready for 26th's semifinal [H][:D] good luck to you [:D]well looking at some of your games its hard to say that luck didnt favour u :P;) especially the '1 goal margin' wins against tough teams in our Friendly League :P but you've had your share of fair and deserving victories too :D

i got knocked out of the last Welcome cup in round 1 coz i got a venezuelan team named FERRABARCA HC, which is very strong atm. better watch out mate, coz if u win tomorrow you'll be up against him in the semis ;):S

this time i too am through to the QFs. must say i got lucky at the start since i'd my matches against relatively easy teams :D but today's match was a scare lol. equalized in the 56th min and then had my player score in over time to cap off a 5-4 thrilling win :O;) guess my bad keeper's gonna let me down real soon xd :S:P

hoping to win tomorrow. looks real tough since my opponent beat a very good team today maybe coz of his GK. but if i do win, then i'm gonna raid the market and most probably buy all my permitted 8 foreigners in a day and be combat ready for 26th's semifinal H:D good luck to you :D

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By agapitod (HMA) - 24-04-2017 15:12

[France]

I figured you are both in the same division of U18 World League and there, Himna IHC are doing a bit better [:D]I figured you are both in the same division of U18 World League and there, Himna IHC are doing a bit better

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By aikaik (Crew) - 24-04-2017 15:20

[MZS]
President

While he's future stars are trying to prove themselves in the U18 World league, mine are actually doing great improvements on training camp [H] ManagerZone is a long-term game, remeber that! [MZ]

agapitod wrote:

I figured you are both in the same division of U18 World League and there, Himna IHC are doing a bit better

While he's future stars are trying to prove themselves in the U18 World league, mine are actually doing great improvements on training camp ManagerZone is a long-term game, remeber that!

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 24-04-2017 15:20

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Yup [H]

agapitod wrote:

I figured you are both in the same division of U18 World League and there, Himna IHC are doing a bit better

Yup

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 24-04-2017 21:43

[BFTF]

Our signings so far, and some reflections from the Manager. [b]Leon Mocko. Poland. 29.[/b] Our first ever signing! An absolutely necessary strengthening in front of the net, Leon has proved to be extremely useful and quick to adapt to the club. His lightning reactions and smoldering looks has already garnered attention from our rapidly growing female fan base. [b]Igor Hübscher. Switzerland. 22.[/b] A 10-checking player, this is one of those brick-wall type of players that goalkeepers love. With an unmaxed 7 in shooting, he has already delivering on his goal-getting abilities too, netting every so often. Our most expensive signing to date. [b]Haroldo Bela. Argentina. 31.[/b] This retiree from Argentina is a great all-round player whose great experience and tactful ways serve to remind the young players at the club what true sportsmanship means. With 8 in shooting, 8 in checking and 9 in power, he delivers in all aspects of his game. [b]Svenåge Hedesmann. Denmark. 32.[/b] “Mr. Reliable”, as he is ironically called, will go lost in games only to pop up unexpected and score a winning hattrick from absolutely nowhere, as Danes do. Spends more time arguing with the referee than he does focusing on his game, and is sometimes caught napping, literally, on the bench between ice-time. Our cheapest signing to date. Currently leads our first line from the centre position. [b]Tonko Debrecin. Croatia. 25.[/b] Inspite of his enormous size, Debrecin never tackles an opponent (he’s just too nice), instead opting to gain possession of the puck by trickery and mind games. His gentile ways and smooth technical abilities, partnered with his frightening height, has earned him the nickname “the beautiful beast”. A key player in our squad, he’s been given the task of leading our fourth line. [b]Bartlomiej Tylinski. Poland. 29.[/b] Purchased partly to make our Polish goalkeeper feel more comfortable in his new surroundings, Tylinski has since proven to be a real bargain. Tasked with leading our third line, he has made it one of our highest scoring lines. A wonderful allround players who can both score and tackle, and whose 9 in stamina means he will grind down opponents, often netting important goals in the dying minutes. [b]Petr Stočes. Czech Republic. 24.[/b] Purchased for nearly nothing, this versatile and above all SPEEDY defender has quickly established himself as a key member of the team. Frequently pushing forward from his right back berth, he has picked up his fair portion of points so far. Sports a stylish, goatee down to his chest, which he dyed blue when he arrived to the club. Looks ridicolous, but his devotion to the cause is admirable.Our signings so far, and some reflections from the Manager.

Leon Mocko. Poland. 29.
Our first ever signing! An absolutely necessary strengthening in front of the net, Leon has proved to be extremely useful and quick to adapt to the club. His lightning reactions and smoldering looks has already garnered attention from our rapidly growing female fan base.

Igor Hübscher. Switzerland. 22.
A 10-checking player, this is one of those brick-wall type of players that goalkeepers love. With an unmaxed 7 in shooting, he has already delivering on his goal-getting abilities too, netting every so often. Our most expensive signing to date.

Haroldo Bela. Argentina. 31.
This retiree from Argentina is a great all-round player whose great experience and tactful ways serve to remind the young players at the club what true sportsmanship means. With 8 in shooting, 8 in checking and 9 in power, he delivers in all aspects of his game.

Svenåge Hedesmann. Denmark. 32.
“Mr. Reliable”, as he is ironically called, will go lost in games only to pop up unexpected and score a winning hattrick from absolutely nowhere, as Danes do. Spends more time arguing with the referee than he does focusing on his game, and is sometimes caught napping, literally, on the bench between ice-time. Our cheapest signing to date. Currently leads our first line from the centre position.

Tonko Debrecin. Croatia. 25.
Inspite of his enormous size, Debrecin never tackles an opponent (he’s just too nice), instead opting to gain possession of the puck by trickery and mind games. His gentile ways and smooth technical abilities, partnered with his frightening height, has earned him the nickname “the beautiful beast”. A key player in our squad, he’s been given the task of leading our fourth line.

Bartlomiej Tylinski. Poland. 29.
Purchased partly to make our Polish goalkeeper feel more comfortable in his new surroundings, Tylinski has since proven to be a real bargain. Tasked with leading our third line, he has made it one of our highest scoring lines. A wonderful allround players who can both score and tackle, and whose 9 in stamina means he will grind down opponents, often netting important goals in the dying minutes.

Petr Stočes. Czech Republic. 24.
Purchased for nearly nothing, this versatile and above all SPEEDY defender has quickly established himself as a key member of the team. Frequently pushing forward from his right back berth, he has picked up his fair portion of points so far. Sports a stylish, goatee down to his chest, which he dyed blue when he arrived to the club. Looks ridicolous, but his devotion to the cause is admirable.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 25-04-2017 11:28

http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=197748&mid=140443610 thats what happens when you dominate but still cant win due to your keeper [:(][;(]http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=197748&mid=140443610

thats what happens when you dominate but still cant win due to your keeper :(;(

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 27-04-2017 12:29

what a thrilling match [:O] - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=140446930 was really anxious about this one, coz i'd got a really tough opponent right in Round 1. won it after all the drama [:)] i write here coz my next opponent tomorrow is powdersnow [:O][:P][;)] all the best to you mate [;)] if our previous match's result (in the Newbie FL) is anything to go by, i'm hoping to win tomorrow [:D] just to give you a feel of my new team [:P] Welcome Cup 53-13 Round 1 - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=197748&mid=140369835 today's result (Vs same team) - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=140446930 good luck again [;)][:D]what a thrilling match :O - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=140446930

was really anxious about this one, coz i'd got a really tough opponent right in Round 1. won it after all the drama :) i write here coz my next opponent tomorrow is powdersnow :O:P;) all the best to you mate ;) if our previous match's result (in the Newbie FL) is anything to go by, i'm hoping to win tomorrow :D

just to give you a feel of my new team :P

Welcome Cup 53-13 Round 1 - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=197748&mid=140369835

today's result (Vs same team) - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=140446930

good luck again ;):D

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By agapitod (HMA) - 27-04-2017 21:35

[France]

We saw a stressful derby today... [img]http://oi65.tinypic.com/28vai6p.jpg[/img]We saw a stressful derby today...

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 28-04-2017 11:58

lost 4-3 [:S] still cant comprehend how i lost [:S][:(] anyway, i'm gonna forget this result and start preparing for the next Welcome Cup. congratulations on the win and hope you go ahead till the finals.lost 4-3 :S still cant comprehend how i lost :S:( anyway, i'm gonna forget this result and start preparing for the next Welcome Cup. congratulations on the win and hope you go ahead till the finals.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 28-04-2017 13:27

[BFTF]

Ouch :( To make matters worse, I tied my league game while Robert won. Can't believe I didn't win that game, I crushed in my scout games. Still have a three point margin, but Robert is signing players like there is no tomorrow...

agapitod wrote:

We saw a stressful derby today...

Ouch :(

To make matters worse, I tied my league game while Robert won. Can't believe I didn't win that game, I crushed in my scout games. Still have a three point margin, but Robert is signing players like there is no tomorrow...

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By aikaik (Crew) - 28-04-2017 13:49

[MZS]
President

Well-deserved win for me... and the battle continues [H] I will keep on upgrading my squad until I am completely satisfied, which most likely will be... never! [:D] Got through the second round (skipped the first round) in the Welcome Cup. The first two Welcome Cups I joined I got knocked out right away but this time I can hopefully manage to reach quarter final or better. --- As Thorbjörn mentioned I have done a lot of necessary changes in my squad, spending quite a lot cash on the transfer market. Hopefully this will show in my upcoming league matches! The rest of the capital is invested in stadium upgrades. /Robert

powdersnow wrote:

Ouch :(

To make matters worse, I tied my league game while Robert won. Can't believe I didn't win that game, I crushed in my scout games. Still have a three point margin, but Robert is signing players like there is no tomorrow...

Well-deserved win for me... and the battle continues I will keep on upgrading my squad until I am completely satisfied, which most likely will be... never!

Got through the second round (skipped the first round) in the Welcome Cup. The first two Welcome Cups I joined I got knocked out right away but this time I can hopefully manage to reach quarter final or better.

---

As Thorbjörn mentioned I have done a lot of necessary changes in my squad, spending quite a lot cash on the transfer market. Hopefully this will show in my upcoming league matches! The rest of the capital is invested in stadium upgrades.

/Robert

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 28-04-2017 14:49

[BFTF]

Interesting how well the ranking works in this game. [img]http://managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=news&id=rank_himna[/img]Interesting how well the ranking works in this game.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By aikaik (Crew) - 28-04-2017 14:55

[MZS]
President

Both you and me know that the ranking does not show the real truth and needs to be improved.. [H] My rank does not take my new players into account [:D]

powdersnow wrote:

Interesting how well the ranking works in this game.

Both you and me know that the ranking does not show the real truth and needs to be improved.. My rank does not take my new players into account

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 28-04-2017 20:44

[BFTF]

Well, I thought so too, but now I'm not so sure. It may just be cleverer than we think. [H][;)]

aikaik wrote:

Both you and me know that the ranking does not show the real truth and needs to be improved..

Well, I thought so too, but now I'm not so sure. It may just be cleverer than we think.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By mobi_dicky - 03-05-2017 12:22

[PSCF]

Looking at the ranking, it is obvious that you are better than him, pow! Planning - This is the game of the secret !!Looking at the ranking, it is obvious that you are better than him, pow!

Planning - This is the game of the secret !!

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 06-05-2017 12:35

had a very unfiar result yesterday - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=197748&mid=140481566 it was in the Welcome Cup against robert. i think it was very unfair, given that i can see most of his players. my players (in every line) are honestly way better than his. also, they have been played in their proper positions (As can be seen in the match)...yes, 2-3 of my players were overplayed, but that is some peculiar problem which dowopado's posted in one of the forums. here is that link btw - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12150074&forum_id=418&sport=admin . coz my other players who played for the same time didnt become overplayed whereas most of the retiring/old players did. coming back to the topic, as i said the result is very unfair. and whats worse is the SIM stats actually show that he did better than me. which really SHOULD NOT happen. and you will know that when u see my players. i've unflagged all my players for the convenience of the person wanting to 'check' whether or not it was fair. so, if anyone (including Robert) can explain me why i lost, that would be great. another important thing to note - i'd won against him 2-0 when we met a few days ago (29th of last month)...i know he's made some transfers after that, but so have i. Regards.had a very unfiar result yesterday - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=197748&mid=140481566

it was in the Welcome Cup against robert. i think it was very unfair, given that i can see most of his players. my players (in every line) are honestly way better than his. also, they have been played in their proper positions (As can be seen in the match)...yes, 2-3 of my players were overplayed, but that is some peculiar problem which dowopado's posted in one of the forums. here is that link btw - http://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12150074&forum_id=418&sport=admin . coz my other players who played for the same time didnt become overplayed whereas most of the retiring/old players did.

coming back to the topic, as i said the result is very unfair. and whats worse is the SIM stats actually show that he did better than me. which really SHOULD NOT happen. and you will know that when u see my players. i've unflagged all my players for the convenience of the person wanting to 'check' whether or not it was fair. so, if anyone (including Robert) can explain me why i lost, that would be great.

another important thing to note - i'd won against him 2-0 when we met a few days ago (29th of last month)...i know he's made some transfers after that, but so have i.

Regards.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By smiller29 - 06-05-2017 16:46

[BotP]

many of your players lack quickness and skating. you probably just couldn't catch him. also, 3 of his goals were scored after the 35 minute mark - perhaps your goalie's 4 Stamina cost you in the latter part of the match. hockey is not like football. you don't have "dominant" teams in the same manor. two teams can play back to back and have 2 completely different results. stop crying about your results. your player values are very evenly matched. you should be splitting games.many of your players lack quickness and skating. you probably just couldn't catch him. also, 3 of his goals were scored after the 35 minute mark - perhaps your goalie's 4 Stamina cost you in the latter part of the match.

hockey is not like football. you don't have "dominant" teams in the same manor. two teams can play back to back and have 2 completely different results.

stop crying about your results. your player values are very evenly matched. you should be splitting games.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 06-05-2017 18:02

lol. first of all you're wrong. please get your facts correct rather than make wild assumptions [:D] both of our players (in that match) had equal skating balls. both had 117, to be precise. as for the quickness balls, he had quite more than me. but, last i heard, quickness definitely doesnt win you matches. and what you conveniently ignored was his players' stamina. his players have got so less stamina that i can VERY conveniently rule out the advantage he'd had due to high quickness. also, if his players won due to better quickness, i would think his goals should've come at the start, and not after the 35 mins mark. after the 35 min mark his players would've had quite low stamina, hence nullifying his players' quickness effect. so, you assuming the '35 min mark' statement as your 'strong point' (in your argument) is quite ironical lol. coz it's quite the contrary. coming to another thing you said regarding that...about my keeper. so, if my keeper's 4, so is his. but again that was conveniently ignored by you. secondly, mine's not 4 too. he's still got his partial skill ball. last i heard, you need MAIN skills to win a game. i dont think quickness wins you matches. and neither did his players have such good main skills that he'd have outdone me so bad. damn, even powdersnow, who's got such a better team than Robert, hasnt beaten me so bad. tho i respect you as a manager, i would like to point out that most of what you said was plain trash. had i lost to powdersnow by that score, i'd have still understood. but certainly not this game. also, even if he'd scored more at the start coz of his high quickness players (tho i dont completely buy that theory of yours), still my players should've hit back after 35-40 mins, given his low stamina. he's got players with as low as 3 stamina, while all of mine are above 6 (with half of the 6 having partial balls). still wondering why that didnt happen. even a draw would've been kinda understood. and, last but not the least, you even ignored that i'd said i'd beaten him 2-0 (with superior stats) just a few days ago. that too without 4 of my best players (see my transfer history and u'll know). so, at max you could rule it out as a 'random result' which managers usually experience. but, saying we were equally strong and justifying his win is a joke. Regards.lol. first of all you're wrong. please get your facts correct rather than make wild assumptions :D both of our players (in that match) had equal skating balls. both had 117, to be precise. as for the quickness balls, he had quite more than me. but, last i heard, quickness definitely doesnt win you matches.

and what you conveniently ignored was his players' stamina. his players have got so less stamina that i can VERY conveniently rule out the advantage he'd had due to high quickness.

also, if his players won due to better quickness, i would think his goals should've come at the start, and not after the 35 mins mark. after the 35 min mark his players would've had quite low stamina, hence nullifying his players' quickness effect. so, you assuming the '35 min mark' statement as your 'strong point' (in your argument) is quite ironical lol. coz it's quite the contrary.

coming to another thing you said regarding that...about my keeper. so, if my keeper's 4, so is his. but again that was conveniently ignored by you. secondly, mine's not 4 too. he's still got his partial skill ball.

last i heard, you need MAIN skills to win a game. i dont think quickness wins you matches. and neither did his players have such good main skills that he'd have outdone me so bad. damn, even powdersnow, who's got such a better team than Robert, hasnt beaten me so bad.

tho i respect you as a manager, i would like to point out that most of what you said was plain trash. had i lost to powdersnow by that score, i'd have still understood. but certainly not this game.

also, even if he'd scored more at the start coz of his high quickness players (tho i dont completely buy that theory of yours), still my players should've hit back after 35-40 mins, given his low stamina. he's got players with as low as 3 stamina, while all of mine are above 6 (with half of the 6 having partial balls). still wondering why that didnt happen. even a draw would've been kinda understood.

and, last but not the least, you even ignored that i'd said i'd beaten him 2-0 (with superior stats) just a few days ago. that too without 4 of my best players (see my transfer history and u'll know).

so, at max you could rule it out as a 'random result' which managers usually experience. but, saying we were equally strong and justifying his win is a joke.

Regards.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 06-05-2017 18:04

his players have got so less stamina...compared to mine, not in general.his players have got so less stamina...compared to mine, not in general.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 06-05-2017 18:08

'damn, even powdersnow, who's got such a better team than Robert'...not as of now, since robert's made some good transfers. was talking about until that match.'damn, even powdersnow, who's got such a better team than Robert'...not as of now, since robert's made some good transfers. was talking about until that match.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 06-05-2017 18:50

and the most important thing. we (both of us) need to realize that this aint real hockey. so lets stop talking about how it works in real life and instead focus on how the SIM maybe functions. as far as i've heard (from a very experienced manager), the SIM CERTAINLY doesnt give so much preference to skating as it does to the main skills (shooting power checking etc)...so, even if he had a lot more quickness than my players, the SIM is going to give even (in fact more) importance to the main skills. and u'd agree that my players have certainly got better main skills, unless you want to close your eyes and say u've never heard of the word judgement.and the most important thing. we (both of us) need to realize that this aint real hockey. so lets stop talking about how it works in real life and instead focus on how the SIM maybe functions. as far as i've heard (from a very experienced manager), the SIM CERTAINLY doesnt give so much preference to skating as it does to the main skills (shooting power checking etc)...so, even if he had a lot more quickness than my players, the SIM is going to give even (in fact more) importance to the main skills. and u'd agree that my players have certainly got better main skills, unless you want to close your eyes and say u've never heard of the word judgement.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 06-05-2017 18:52

to quickness* sorry....since both of us had equal skating.to quickness* sorry....since both of us had equal skating.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By smiller29 - 07-05-2017 08:19

[BotP]

his 3rd line chewed up and spit out your first line. why? because Bhuppal & Gandhi have a TOTAL of 1 Skating puck and 1 Quickness puck between them. THEY ARE NOT FIRST LINE PLAYERS. I would agree that Power, Stamina, Shooting/Checking are your CORE stats but don't underestimate the importance of Skating and Quickness. They are NEEDED skills too. Skating is very important for forwards and Quickness imperative for defenders. A defender can have 10 power and 10 checking, but if he isn't able to keep up with a forward then how the hell is he supposed to hit or check him? A forward can have 10 power but if he has no speed then he's going to have 3 guys surrounding him and they're all going to get 2 or 3 cracks at him. Saying that you need "MAIN" skills to win a game and that quickness doesn't win you matches is COMPLETELY FALSE. don't think that your team can be made up of players with padded stats in 3 areas and that's it. well balanced players are still the most effective. you're making it sound like this is a complete sim job, but you're fairly evenly matched teams and he got the better of you on this day. he scored 3 goals "late" in the game - that's because your goalie was running out of gas and wasn't effective keeping pucks out of the net. it doesn't matter what his goalies stats are and whether or not you were able to score in him, the bottom line is your goalie crashed late in the game and that's because he has a 4 in stamina.his 3rd line chewed up and spit out your first line. why? because Bhuppal & Gandhi have a TOTAL of 1 Skating puck and 1 Quickness puck between them. THEY ARE NOT FIRST LINE PLAYERS.

I would agree that Power, Stamina, Shooting/Checking are your CORE stats but don't underestimate the importance of Skating and Quickness. They are NEEDED skills too. Skating is very important for forwards and Quickness imperative for defenders. A defender can have 10 power and 10 checking, but if he isn't able to keep up with a forward then how the hell is he supposed to hit or check him? A forward can have 10 power but if he has no speed then he's going to have 3 guys surrounding him and they're all going to get 2 or 3 cracks at him. Saying that you need "MAIN" skills to win a game and that quickness doesn't win you matches is COMPLETELY FALSE. don't think that your team can be made up of players with padded stats in 3 areas and that's it. well balanced players are still the most effective.

you're making it sound like this is a complete sim job, but you're fairly evenly matched teams and he got the better of you on this day. he scored 3 goals "late" in the game - that's because your goalie was running out of gas and wasn't effective keeping pucks out of the net. it doesn't matter what his goalies stats are and whether or not you were able to score in him, the bottom line is your goalie crashed late in the game and that's because he has a 4 in stamina.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 07-05-2017 08:24

ok agreed. now tell me why the same didnt happen in our previous match which i won 2-0 [:D]ok agreed. now tell me why the same didnt happen in our previous match which i won 2-0 :D

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 07-05-2017 08:26

and one important thing to keep in mind here. in that 2-0 match, i had players much worse off in skating and quickness. the 4 main guys (whom i bought after that 2-0 win) have brought a bit of decency to my skating and quickness pucks. so, in their absence, how and why did i win 2-0 ? [:D]and one important thing to keep in mind here. in that 2-0 match, i had players much worse off in skating and quickness. the 4 main guys (whom i bought after that 2-0 win) have brought a bit of decency to my skating and quickness pucks. so, in their absence, how and why did i win 2-0 ? :D

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By smiller29 - 07-05-2017 17:06

[BotP]

he got simmed [:D] i know you don't want to hear this, but the game wouldn't be any fun if the team with the better stats won EVERY time. sports aren't like this and nobody would like it if they were. the best team in MZ would simply have to put their 21 players on the ice and then let the season take care of itself without a care in the world. teams that are close in talent should split games. that means you win some by 2 goals and lose some by 3 goals. not every game plays out the exact same way and that's a good thing. have you ever played back to back games with somebody and had one game end 0-0 while the next one was 5-5? teams are still even, but why couldn't anybody score in that first game? every game is different and you are not guaranteed to beat somebody just because you won your last meeting.he got simmed :D

i know you don't want to hear this, but the game wouldn't be any fun if the team with the better stats won EVERY time. sports aren't like this and nobody would like it if they were. the best team in MZ would simply have to put their 21 players on the ice and then let the season take care of itself without a care in the world. teams that are close in talent should split games. that means you win some by 2 goals and lose some by 3 goals. not every game plays out the exact same way and that's a good thing. have you ever played back to back games with somebody and had one game end 0-0 while the next one was 5-5? teams are still even, but why couldn't anybody score in that first game? every game is different and you are not guaranteed to beat somebody just because you won your last meeting.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 07-05-2017 17:38

oh, so then for your information thats not called 'he got simmed'. you talk about how anything can happen in different meetings and then give a 'definite' statement like 'he got simmed'. bah. and as for your this statement - 'but the game wouldn't be any fun if the team with the better stats won EVERY time. sports aren't like this and nobody would like it if they were. the best team in MZ would simply have to put their 21 players on the ice and then let the season take care of itself without a care in the world. ' no, ur wrong here. a team (very good) shouldnt have to lose just bcoz them winning everytime isnt fun and no one else would like that. a good team should lose when the manager of the other team does some out-of-the-box thinking and comes up with an excellent strategy to counter the stronger teams' better players, than go by the conventional strategy. thats when the weaker team (skill wise) deserves to win. say for eg in a soccer NT match of Argentina vs India, the indian manager cant say 'oh the better team aint supposed to win everytime ! [:S] so lets hope we win it this time...that will be more fun.'' thats plain stupid. if you wanna win, you gotta think more than you generally do. you need to do something like what the Peru manager did when his side beat Brazil. that was a class manager act, something which i still greatly respect him for. had he just 'hoped' to win, they would have had received a banging similar to the 7-1 (if im not wrong...lazy to check it lol) they got in their group stage match against them. so, however good a team you get, your this statement ' the best team in MZ would simply have to put their 21 players on the ice and then let the season take care of itself without a care in the world' doesnt stand true. a really great manager would anyday crack a way to beat you. and another thing. even if the manager with a very good team wins most matches, i dont think the others should really have a problem (unless he's winning matches even tho other managers use better far better strategies etc etc). coz after all, that manager's hard/smart work resulted in him getting to this winning streak. he wasnt gifted a team by God.oh, so then for your information thats not called 'he got simmed'. you talk about how anything can happen in different meetings and then give a 'definite' statement like 'he got simmed'. bah.

and as for your this statement - 'but the game wouldn't be any fun if the team with the better stats won EVERY time. sports aren't like this and nobody would like it if they were. the best team in MZ would simply have to put their 21 players on the ice and then let the season take care of itself without a care in the world. '

no, ur wrong here. a team (very good) shouldnt have to lose just bcoz them winning everytime isnt fun and no one else would like that. a good team should lose when the manager of the other team does some out-of-the-box thinking and comes up with an excellent strategy to counter the stronger teams' better players, than go by the conventional strategy. thats when the weaker team (skill wise) deserves to win. say for eg in a soccer NT match of Argentina vs India, the indian manager cant say 'oh the better team aint supposed to win everytime ! :S so lets hope we win it this time...that will be more fun.'' thats plain stupid.

if you wanna win, you gotta think more than you generally do. you need to do something like what the Peru manager did when his side beat Brazil. that was a class manager act, something which i still greatly respect him for. had he just 'hoped' to win, they would have had received a banging similar to the 7-1 (if im not wrong...lazy to check it lol) they got in their group stage match against them.

so, however good a team you get, your this statement ' the best team in MZ would simply have to put their 21 players on the ice and then let the season take care of itself without a care in the world' doesnt stand true. a really great manager would anyday crack a way to beat you.

and another thing. even if the manager with a very good team wins most matches, i dont think the others should really have a problem (unless he's winning matches even tho other managers use better far better strategies etc etc). coz after all, that manager's hard/smart work resulted in him getting to this winning streak. he wasnt gifted a team by God.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 07-05-2017 17:39

and as far as i knew, you say a team got simmed when it has better stats and yet loses. never heard a team losing with inferior stats and then saying it was simmed. thx for enlightening me further [;)][:D]and as far as i knew, you say a team got simmed when it has better stats and yet loses. never heard a team losing with inferior stats and then saying it was simmed. thx for enlightening me further ;):D

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 08-05-2017 15:39

[BFTF]

No disrespect to you theloyalone, but I would really prefer it if this thread was allowed to be about the fight between me and aikaik :) There is definitely a place for the discussions that you want to have (or talking about your team) but maybe not in this thread, which is titled "Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars" for a reason. ;)No disrespect to you theloyalone, but I would really prefer it if this thread was allowed to be about the fight between me and aikaik :) There is definitely a place for the discussions that you want to have (or talking about your team) but maybe not in this thread, which is titled "Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars" for a reason. ;)

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 08-05-2017 15:41

[BFTF]

And having said that, I am oh so disappointed at the lousy outcome of my last League game. Thought I had them cornered up pretty good, but apparently not. Guess I need to hit the Player market again soon.And having said that, I am oh so disappointed at the lousy outcome of my last League game. Thought I had them cornered up pretty good, but apparently not. Guess I need to hit the Player market again soon.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By agapitod (HMA) - 08-05-2017 16:09

[France]

You could have faced one another in the quarters of Welcome Cup, though Robert got a tough defeat in the last 16. Good luck in the quarters, I hope you go all the way to the final.You could have faced one another in the quarters of Welcome Cup, though Robert got a tough defeat in the last 16. Good luck in the quarters, I hope you go all the way to the final.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 08-05-2017 16:14

[BFTF]

Yep, he was very upset about that. Would have been nice to face him in the quarter final and get some of my confidence back ;)Yep, he was very upset about that. Would have been nice to face him in the quarter final and get some of my confidence back ;)

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By theloyalone - 08-05-2017 19:43

yeah sure no problem mate.yeah sure no problem mate.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By aikaik (Crew) - 10-05-2017 14:17

[MZS]
President

Look at this BEAUTIFUL sight after today's league match [:D] [img]http://managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=news&id=tabell_ITS_himna_S54_R9[/img] This could definitely be the final positions after 22 rounds [H]Look at this BEAUTIFUL sight after today's league match



This could definitely be the final positions after 22 rounds

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 10-05-2017 15:00

[BFTF]

More than happy to beat my worst league rival 6-0 today. [:)] Less than happy at the sight of that League table. [:S] We'll be back there soon.More than happy to beat my worst league rival 6-0 today.

Less than happy at the sight of that League table.

We'll be back there soon.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By aikaik (Crew) - 11-05-2017 09:06

[MZS]
President

Nice to see that I ain't you worst league rival... but rather you best league rival? [H]

powdersnow wrote:

More than happy to beat my worst league rival 6-0 today.

Less than happy at the sight of that League table.

We'll be back there soon.

Nice to see that I ain't you worst league rival... but rather you best league rival?

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 12-05-2017 12:24

[BFTF]

And how LOVEY is this sight!? [img]http://managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=news&id=himna_first_trophy[/img]And how LOVEY is this sight!?

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By agapitod (HMA) - 12-05-2017 13:35

[France]

Well done! Himna 1x0 Ivan TurinaWell done! Himna 1x0 Ivan Turina

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 12-05-2017 15:54

[BFTF]

Thanks mate :) This just totally made my Friday.Thanks mate :)

This just totally made my Friday.

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By aikaik (Crew) - 15-05-2017 10:00

[MZS]
President

Suddenly my Silver trophy feels so... useless [:(]Suddenly my Silver trophy feels so... useless

Re: Himna IHC vs Ivan Turina Stars

By powdersnow (Crew) - 16-05-2017 09:53

[BFTF]

Du to an influx of new players the club is now forced to say goodbye to Croatian center tank Tonko Debrecin. Once a first-line player, now on the market for scrap value. Such is the hard life of a pro hockey player. [;(] On a brighter note, the Club is now stronger than ever. Hoping for a final in the new Welcome Cup against our arch nemesis ITS so we can showcase our new signings. ;)Du to an influx of new players the club is now forced to say goodbye to Croatian center tank Tonko Debrecin. Once a first-line player, now on the market for scrap value. Such is the hard life of a pro hockey player.

On a brighter note, the Club is now stronger than ever. Hoping for a final in the new Welcome Cup against our arch nemesis ITS so we can showcase our new signings. ;)

 

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