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Re: U21 Official
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brunocappello - 09-06-2020 14:25It seems like, so far, the support on this request it's quiet unanimous.
I not only sopport it, I also ask the Crew and HQs to take this requisition as a chance to fix something up. There's no reason to have, for example, free and official u23 and u18 Defender's Cup and lack an u21 cup.
Official cups, as you know, bring very different income.
Friendly u21 cups bring lower incomes and cost 7 tokens, and also 5 if you've paid, as many of us do, a Club membership for several years.
Please review it, and take this comment from someone that's also ceasing to focus on the u21 category and its competitions.
Best regards and respects,
Bruno Cappello, DCC15.
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Re: U21 Official
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backtik - 09-06-2020 15:32chucky06 wrote:I agree there’s room for it and a good argument for U21 official cups to be introduced. I just want them to look at the profits and prize money for all Uxx Cups to be looked at and adjusted according to prestige. Might as well not ever run a senior team ever again if you are rewarded financially the same to run much cheaper teams and it’s seen as just as prestigious winning an U21 Official Cup as it is Senior with the same financial gain
Who are you to determinate which cup is more prestigious?
About language, this is a massive initiative for all around the world. Maybe people doesn’t read where is posting and just want to agree with the proposition.
Sometimes, to do your “job” (for free lol) as a Fórum Assitant, you need to understand where the idea of the thread is going on, instead of applying some “hard” rules.
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Re: U21 Official
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chucky06 - 09-06-2020 15:39backtik wrote:Who are you to determinate which cup is more prestigious?
About language, this is a massive initiative for all around the world. Maybe people doesn’t read where is posting and just want to agree with the proposition.
Sometimes, to do your “job” (for free lol) as a Fórum Assitant, you need to understand where the idea of the thread is going on, instead of applying some “hard” rules.
There’s plenty of bigger initiatives that have fallen on deaf ears and a 20 more important things the game should fix before adding U21 Official Cups. I’ve never said I was against it. I just don’t like the idea of encouraging teams to run all Uxx and disregard senior teams to save money and reap the same rewards.
Yes, my job is to enforce the forum rules. There’s a Spanish forum and if users want to write posts or replies in Spanish feel free to make a thread there. It’s not an unreasonable request.
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Re: U21 Official
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backtik - 09-06-2020 16:47chucky06 wrote:There’s plenty of bigger initiatives that have fallen on deaf ears and a 20 more important things the game should fix before adding U21 Official Cups. I’ve never said I was against it. I just don’t like the idea of encouraging teams to run all Uxx and disregard senior teams to save money and reap the same rewards.
Yes, my job is to enforce the forum rules. There’s a Spanish forum and if users want to write posts or replies in Spanish feel free to make a thread there. It’s not an unreasonable request.
Sorry, I haven’t realized that you were a Crew and had the authority to say which initiative is important and which not.
Why don’t you just do your job (I must insist: for free LOL) and keep repeating “this is an english forum you should write in english”?
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Re: U21 Official
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chucky06 - 09-06-2020 17:01backtik wrote:Sorry, I haven’t realized that you were a Crew and had the authority to say which initiative is important and which not.
Why don’t you just do your job (I must insist: for free LOL) and keep repeating “this is an english forum you should write in english”?
It’s an opinion which I’m entitled to just like you. Cup formats are currently wrong, income from last 16 matches matches is wrong, bugs throughout games of passing the bell back, showing a draw in tactics of games that go into extra time, National cup knockout round so group winners don’t face other group winners needs addressing, both hockey and football simulators. That’s just to name a few of the more pressing issues again, in my opinion.
If you’re going to turn the post into a personal attack though for me fulfilling my role then we will have an issue though.
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Re: U21 Official
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vazquezpro - 09-06-2020 17:12Yes!!! Very good proposal. Come on guys we want them to be official.
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Re: U21 Official
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darkline - 09-06-2020 17:15backtik wrote:Who are you to determinate which cup is more prestigious?
Well.. would you say that in real life the U21 World Cup or the U23 Olympic Football tornament is equal and generates the same level of income as the World Cup?
What about the differences in MZ? Does a youth get paid the same salary as a 30 y/old veteran player? So IMO the big problem we already have is that the Uxx competitions generate more income with less expenses (lower salaries, no retirements, no market value loss). Without taking a look at the income generated in Uxx official tournaments, you can't add another Uxx tournament or 75% of the income for teams will be generated by youth tournaments, which is ridiculous... as a matter of fact, 66% of the cup income is already generated by youth competitions which is also ridiculous.
Just to be clear, not against official U21 cups as long as the income issue is sorted out first.
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Re: U21 Official
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wrc76 - 09-06-2020 17:48darkline wrote:Well.. would you say that in real life the U21 World Cup or the U23 Olympic Football tornament is equal and generates the same level of income as the World Cup?
What about the differences in MZ? Does a youth get paid the same salary as a 30 y/old veteran player? So IMO the big problem we already have is that the Uxx competitions generate more income with less expenses (lower salaries, no retirements, no market value loss). Without taking a look at the income generated in Uxx official tournaments, you can't add another Uxx tournament or 75% of the income for teams will be generated by youth tournaments, which is ridiculous... as a matter of fact, 66% of the cup income is already generated by youth competitions which is also ridiculous.
Just to be clear, not against official U21 cups as long as the income issue is sorted out first.
I insist that you are talking about economy when the request is that there be equality in the Uxx ... why some yes and others no? Or all or none ..
The issue of income is another separate issue ... also remember that if you take away income from uxx, you lose interest and many give up on the elderly and many of us only dedicate ourselves to uxx, just as many dedicate themselves to the elderly, they are different universes. But the main question is to stop harming the public of u21, since it was too long already and there is no reason why it is not officialized.
The senior categories are more recognized in terms of fundraising for their leagues, and they have more official cups than the Uxx, therefore they generate more income on that side is perfect and that is not the point ... The point is that there are privileges that they have the Uxx that the U21 does not have ... that is the point and the order that is made.
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Re: U21 Official
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darkline - 09-06-2020 17:51wrc76 wrote:I insist that you are talking about economy when the request is that there be equality in the Uxx ... why some yes and others no?
For almost every Senior competitions there is a U18/U23 counterpart. I agree, all Uxx competitions should be equal but in order not to ruin the game for the managers that choose to play senior competitions, income accross all Uxx competitions should be equally lowered to about half the income you currently get.
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Re: U21 Official
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rayado_ivan - 09-06-2020 19:05Anyone complaining about the unfair (🙄) income generated by Uxx competitions: Feel free to generate your own post regarding that issue. This one is focused on making U-21 official
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Re: U21 Official
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darkline - 09-06-2020 20:46rayado_ivan wrote:Anyone complaining about the unfair (🙄) income generated by Uxx competitions: Feel free to generate your own post regarding that issue. This one is focused on making U-21 official
I didn't know this is a post in which all you can say is "I agree" or similar two worded phrases ;-)
If income is not something to take into consideration, then my opinion would be that I strongly disagree with the creation of official U21 cups as it will ruin the game for people that still try to play with senior players expending $500K on salaries a week and dealing with retirements & lost market value due to deteriorations.
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Re: U21 Official
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franella82 - 09-06-2020 22:48darkline wrote:I didn't know this is a post in which all you can say is "I agree" or similar two worded phrases ;-)
If income is not something to take into consideration, then my opinion would be that I strongly disagree with the creation of official U21 cups as it will ruin the game for people that still try to play with senior players expending $500K on salaries a week and dealing with retirements & lost market value due to deteriorations.
You can also play with U21 squad, I remember that you were complaining about the small size of your local market, Here Wrc proposed a good solution to the lack of Youth talent in small communities, a new intresting dimensión of Mz.
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Re: U21 Official
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manhackerjr - 09-06-2020 23:36darkline wrote:I didn't know this is a post in which all you can say is "I agree" or similar two worded phrases ;-)
If income is not something to take into consideration, then my opinion would be that I strongly disagree with the creation of official U21 cups as it will ruin the game for people that still try to play with senior players expending $500K on salaries a week and dealing with retirements & lost market value due to deteriorations.
I agree
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Re: U21 Official
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marko_905 - 10-06-2020 00:04franella82 wrote:You can also play with U21 squad, I remember that you were complaining about the small size of your local market, Here Wrc proposed a good solution to the lack of Youth talent in small communities, a new intresting dimensión of Mz.
Yes. It's a very interesting idea for the small countries.
First I think that U21 should be official like the other Uxx because is fair to be equals.
Also, I don't really understand why there is National U21 competitions and not local with our clubs. In the clubs is where the players of the National Teams play.
So totally agree!
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Re: U21 Official
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sebistica1979 - 10-06-2020 00:10franella82 wrote:You can also play with U21 squad, I remember that you were complaining about the small size of your local market, Here Wrc proposed a good solution to the lack of Youth talent in small communities, a new intresting dimensión of Mz.
I think that the important thing is to add, and why not add the u21 officials, and in any case go up one step the senior collections, with respect to the three juveniles. Another thing that I see that is perhaps underestimated is the expense in u21, but to give an example last season the team that won the Argentine national spent 60 million dollars on the team, and paid 341k of salary weekly, because for millionaire purchases youth salaries also skyrocket, and he could only win that cup. That is to say, such an investment that could be equated to what can be spent to build a good senior team (although I am not in that topic) only allowed him that achievement, that is, there were other teams that had similar investments to win award-winning global cups in the category. In other words, it is not as easy as it is being considered, and although loss of value and deterioration is undoubtedly a senior issue. The maxeos and the loss of value when it goes from u21 to u23 are also risks when putting together a competitive squad in u21.
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Re: U21 Official
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pizzirrucho - 10-06-2020 00:24I think it is unfair that the leaders of U21 teams cannot officially compete in the category that they are strong. Then you can discuss the issue of income, but why would it be a problem and nobody says it with current categories in force? It seems to me that we should not lose focus and spirit of the suggestion.