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Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By jamiescfc2010 - 18-02-2012 20:35

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Personally he HAS to go as he has got the management brain, but he hasn't got what it takes to get Arsenal any more trophies anymore. I don't think Arsenal will ever get back into the so called "big four". I also think that Henry was a good loan signing by Wenger, but he wasn't was like he use to be. Wenger to go soon imoPersonally he HAS to go as he has got the management brain, but he hasn't got what it takes to get Arsenal any more trophies anymore. I don't think Arsenal will ever get back into the so called "big four". I also think that Henry was a good loan signing by Wenger, but he wasn't was like he use to be.

Wenger to go soon imo

 

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Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By bighen904 - 18-02-2012 21:31

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Well currently we are in the top 4 and I hope we stay that way. Im completely behind the team 100%. My only problem is that we are too inconsistent in play. There have been a lot of matches we should have won but we didnt. Ill personally will give Arse a few more years to turn it around and then it time to hit it. Way to much talent.Well currently we are in the top 4 and I hope we stay that way. Im completely behind the team 100%. My only problem is that we are too inconsistent in play. There have been a lot of matches we should have won but we didnt. Ill personally will give Arse a few more years to turn it around and then it time to hit it. Way to much talent.

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By nomercyurz - 19-02-2012 09:31

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There are 4th in the league, OMG I would give my left leg for Blackburn to be 4th top and not 4th bottom, I know who does need to be sacked and its not the guy who has led his team to 4th top.There are 4th in the league, OMG I would give my left leg for Blackburn to be 4th top and not 4th bottom, I know who does need to be sacked and its not the guy who has led his team to 4th top.

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By crane199 - 19-02-2012 11:15

I don't think Wenger needs sacking. Considering his record with Arsenal - the end result has been very consistent, just without the silverware. I just feel some of the players, (Djourou, Walcott, Diaby, Jenkinson, Squillaci) to name a few, need to go.I don't think Wenger needs sacking. Considering his record with Arsenal - the end result has been very consistent, just without the silverware.

I just feel some of the players, (Djourou, Walcott, Diaby, Jenkinson, Squillaci) to name a few, need to go.

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By grinner - 19-02-2012 11:43

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Yes he should be sacked immediately, and replaced by either Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy. Give it 6 months and then you will appreciate Wenger properly. I will admit he is not taking you to the heights you once enjoyed of late, but you also have a wage structure in place and a budget to keep you profitable, something that doesnt apply to some other clubs in your region of the table. ;)Yes he should be sacked immediately, and replaced by either Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy. Give it 6 months and then you will appreciate Wenger properly. I will admit he is not taking you to the heights you once enjoyed of late, but you also have a wage structure in place and a budget to keep you profitable, something that doesnt apply to some other clubs in your region of the table. ;)

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By jamiescfc2010 - 19-02-2012 12:02

[World]

I ain't a Gunner fan just making conversationI ain't a Gunner fan just making conversation

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By kingjaime - 19-02-2012 17:08

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It's an interesting situation. Arsenal never really seem "in crisis" in terms of results or league position, contrast with Chelsea at the moment, but they are a club who want to be, and should be, challenging for trophies. That it'll almost certainly be 7 years since they've won a trophy come the end of the season cannot be ignored. Sooner or later people will surely tire of believing in "building for the future" when it's not current with some measure of success in the present. I don't think they'll sack him unless things turn drastic, and I doubt they will, so it might be the best all around if some natural move happens, such as his appointment at Real Madrid for next season. That might be best for all. Must also say I'm surprised how immune from criticism Wenger sometimes seems to be. Certainly with transfers. I think the team had a glaring weakness for season-after-season in goal, with Almunia a poor replacement for the fading Lehmann. I think they lost something after Gilberto Silva left, some strength in midfield. Fabregas' departure had long been in the offing but no contingency was in place. He's signed some pretty poor defenders (Djorou, Squilacci, Silvestre) and I think quite average (Vermaelen, Koscielny, Gallas). The decline at left back is a strange one, with Clichy a definite step down from Cashley and Gibbs, if anything, a step down from Clichy. He's also been lucky that Van Persie has suddenly become a goalscorer because his outlay and return on others has been pretty poor (Eduardo, Chamakh, Gervinho). I think he very much missed a trick when Henry was available from Barcelona on a free. But his general record with signing older players is poor.It's an interesting situation. Arsenal never really seem "in crisis" in terms of results or league position, contrast with Chelsea at the moment, but they are a club who want to be, and should be, challenging for trophies. That it'll almost certainly be 7 years since they've won a trophy come the end of the season cannot be ignored. Sooner or later people will surely tire of believing in "building for the future" when it's not current with some measure of success in the present.

I don't think they'll sack him unless things turn drastic, and I doubt they will, so it might be the best all around if some natural move happens, such as his appointment at Real Madrid for next season. That might be best for all.

Must also say I'm surprised how immune from criticism Wenger sometimes seems to be. Certainly with transfers. I think the team had a glaring weakness for season-after-season in goal, with Almunia a poor replacement for the fading Lehmann. I think they lost something after Gilberto Silva left, some strength in midfield. Fabregas' departure had long been in the offing but no contingency was in place. He's signed some pretty poor defenders (Djorou, Squilacci, Silvestre) and I think quite average (Vermaelen, Koscielny, Gallas). The decline at left back is a strange one, with Clichy a definite step down from Cashley and Gibbs, if anything, a step down from Clichy. He's also been lucky that Van Persie has suddenly become a goalscorer because his outlay and return on others has been pretty poor (Eduardo, Chamakh, Gervinho). I think he very much missed a trick when Henry was available from Barcelona on a free. But his general record with signing older players is poor.

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By kingjaime - 19-02-2012 17:08

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when it's not *concurrent* with some measure of success in the present. (will teach me not to use fancy wording.)when it's not *concurrent* with some measure of success in the present.


(will teach me not to use fancy wording.)

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By jamie1976 - 19-02-2012 18:30

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No, Arsene is a top class manager.No, Arsene is a top class manager.

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By matttombstone - 19-02-2012 18:59

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As a Spurs fan, yes, sack him and replace him with Steve Kean. But on a serious note. Why sack someone like Wenger? He's consistantly keeping the team at the top end of the table, brought Champions League for what? 15 years running? Won a fair amount of trophies and that "Invincibles" season too. Yeah, things aren't as good as they once were, but as the saying goes, what goes up must come down. Yes, 7 years is a long time without a trophy, but in contrast, what about other clubs? Some clubs have gone decades without a trophy. This is what has ruined Chelsea, if Cheslea stuck with Mourinhio, I'm pretty sure they'd be far better off by now with many more trophies, including the champions league to their name. If Arsenal suddenly started changing what wasn't broken, there's a pretty good chance that they'll asign the wrong manager and it'll all come appart far worse. Let's remember what happened with Spurs, Martin Jol had us finishing 5th almost every season, was one food poisoning incident away from qualifying us for the champions league, replaced him with Ramos who in fairness brought us a trophy, but destroyed the morale and the tactics and had us at the foot of the table with 2 points from 8 games. We got lucky in Redknapp, who in his first full season with us finished us 4th, this is his 3rd full season and he's got us challenging for the title and has practically guaranteed us champions league and we're still in the race for two trophies (FA cup and the Premier League). If Arsenal were to sack Wenger, who would they replace him with? There's no really good candidate available at the moment. I can't see him being replaced with Mourinhio because of the Chelsea connection, the likes of O'Neil have just started off at their current clubs. Capello, although possible, I don't think they'll want him after the struggle with the World Cup. Moyes could be possible, but it'll take some work to get him from Everton, I'm sure they'll want some good compensation for him, and I think he'd be more likely to join Spurs should Redknapp take the England reigns. Should any candidates come available in the summer, then just remember, Spurs would be on the look out for a manager should Redknapp go and the good candidates will want to take the champions league reigns should Arsenal fail to qualify. Also, if we go by Chelsea's recent history, then there's a clear chance there'll be a vacancy there too, and with a rich owner who wants the Champions League trophy, any other top candidates would prefer them. So, would Arsenal like to see the likes of Mick McCarthy or Steve Bruce mentioned for the job? Although I like them as managers and disagree with Wolves for the dismissal of McCarthy, I think they're not the kind of managers who'll take you further than a mid table Premier League finish. Personally, Wenger is being blamed too much for what is going on. Yes, some dismal signings have been made, but let's not forget he's lost some good players too. The likes of Fabregas leaving has really dented their quality and City have raided them for some of their top players (i.e. Adebayor and Nasri to name a couple) and let them rot in the reserves. He's done well considering the raiding he's had, and he's done well to keep them in the top four for so long. He took them on good runs during some seasons, remember they've bottled the title on a few occasions over the past 7 years, and there's been a champions league final amongst other finals (i.e. last seasons Carling Cup) too. He can't take full blame for everything, he's done the good work, the players have let him down during those occasions. So no, keep him, he'll deliver once again, but when that is we don't know.As a Spurs fan, yes, sack him and replace him with Steve Kean.

But on a serious note. Why sack someone like Wenger? He's consistantly keeping the team at the top end of the table, brought Champions League for what? 15 years running? Won a fair amount of trophies and that "Invincibles" season too. Yeah, things aren't as good as they once were, but as the saying goes, what goes up must come down. Yes, 7 years is a long time without a trophy, but in contrast, what about other clubs? Some clubs have gone decades without a trophy. This is what has ruined Chelsea, if Cheslea stuck with Mourinhio, I'm pretty sure they'd be far better off by now with many more trophies, including the champions league to their name. If Arsenal suddenly started changing what wasn't broken, there's a pretty good chance that they'll asign the wrong manager and it'll all come appart far worse. Let's remember what happened with Spurs, Martin Jol had us finishing 5th almost every season, was one food poisoning incident away from qualifying us for the champions league, replaced him with Ramos who in fairness brought us a trophy, but destroyed the morale and the tactics and had us at the foot of the table with 2 points from 8 games. We got lucky in Redknapp, who in his first full season with us finished us 4th, this is his 3rd full season and he's got us challenging for the title and has practically guaranteed us champions league and we're still in the race for two trophies (FA cup and the Premier League).

If Arsenal were to sack Wenger, who would they replace him with? There's no really good candidate available at the moment. I can't see him being replaced with Mourinhio because of the Chelsea connection, the likes of O'Neil have just started off at their current clubs. Capello, although possible, I don't think they'll want him after the struggle with the World Cup. Moyes could be possible, but it'll take some work to get him from Everton, I'm sure they'll want some good compensation for him, and I think he'd be more likely to join Spurs should Redknapp take the England reigns.

Should any candidates come available in the summer, then just remember, Spurs would be on the look out for a manager should Redknapp go and the good candidates will want to take the champions league reigns should Arsenal fail to qualify. Also, if we go by Chelsea's recent history, then there's a clear chance there'll be a vacancy there too, and with a rich owner who wants the Champions League trophy, any other top candidates would prefer them.

So, would Arsenal like to see the likes of Mick McCarthy or Steve Bruce mentioned for the job? Although I like them as managers and disagree with Wolves for the dismissal of McCarthy, I think they're not the kind of managers who'll take you further than a mid table Premier League finish.

Personally, Wenger is being blamed too much for what is going on. Yes, some dismal signings have been made, but let's not forget he's lost some good players too. The likes of Fabregas leaving has really dented their quality and City have raided them for some of their top players (i.e. Adebayor and Nasri to name a couple) and let them rot in the reserves. He's done well considering the raiding he's had, and he's done well to keep them in the top four for so long. He took them on good runs during some seasons, remember they've bottled the title on a few occasions over the past 7 years, and there's been a champions league final amongst other finals (i.e. last seasons Carling Cup) too. He can't take full blame for everything, he's done the good work, the players have let him down during those occasions.

So no, keep him, he'll deliver once again, but when that is we don't know.

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By xellu - 19-02-2012 19:15

I don't think he's got to go.I don't think he's got to go.

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By jamiescfc2010 - 19-02-2012 20:33

[World]

So what about give it to Mick McCarthy?. He couldn't do worse then Steve Bruce right?So what about give it to Mick McCarthy?. He couldn't do worse then Steve Bruce right?

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By madmonk - 19-02-2012 23:46

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Could see a swap at Arsenal, but not the Mourinho-Arsenal; Wenger to Real Madrid one. How's about Laurent Blanc to Arsenal, Wenger taking the French national job. Wenger-Real Madrid is such a bad match on so many levels: a manager who wants to manage long term and develop young players and the short-tem galactico culture of Madrid (along with the boardroom politics and politics of the Spanish/Madrid press).Could see a swap at Arsenal, but not the Mourinho-Arsenal; Wenger to Real Madrid one.

How's about Laurent Blanc to Arsenal, Wenger taking the French national job.

Wenger-Real Madrid is such a bad match on so many levels: a manager who wants to manage long term and develop young players and the short-tem galactico culture of Madrid (along with the boardroom politics and politics of the Spanish/Madrid press).

Re: Arsene Wenger gotta go?

By grinner - 20-02-2012 02:13

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The first step was taken by the board this year to start to loosen up the purse strings, but Wenger didnbt quite respond to that as you thought he would, im sure he will be given another chance to recruit with real funds at the end of the season and if he doesnt produce then he could be in trouble. Blanc i think would be a good choice, he did very well at Bordeaux, played good football and would fit in quite well, but as Matt said their could well be the Spurs job up for grabs which would be just as, if not more appealing, as well as the Chelsea job if recent history tells us anything, but hopefully that will be starting to look like a poison chalice to the very top range of managers. Another decent candidate i believe would be Paul Lambert, he seems to work wonders wherever he goes, could be the bolt out of left field. As for Martin O Neill, bugger off, hes ours now so nerr.The first step was taken by the board this year to start to loosen up the purse strings, but Wenger didnbt quite respond to that as you thought he would, im sure he will be given another chance to recruit with real funds at the end of the season and if he doesnt produce then he could be in trouble.
Blanc i think would be a good choice, he did very well at Bordeaux, played good football and would fit in quite well, but as Matt said their could well be the Spurs job up for grabs which would be just as, if not more appealing, as well as the Chelsea job if recent history tells us anything, but hopefully that will be starting to look like a poison chalice to the very top range of managers.
Another decent candidate i believe would be Paul Lambert, he seems to work wonders wherever he goes, could be the bolt out of left field.

As for Martin O Neill, bugger off, hes ours now so nerr.

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By ajant23 - 18-04-2012 00:48

You dont know what you have on bench, appreciate what you have or drunk red-neck will come from spurs :)You dont know what you have on bench, appreciate what you have or drunk red-neck will come from spurs :)

 

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