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John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By jamie1976 - 03-02-2012 10:23

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So it seems the FA are going to strip him of the captaincy and pre judge him prior to trial. This all seems to be under fairly mild pressure from the Ferdinand brothers, Jason Roberts and a raft of anti racism campaigners. In this country you are innocent till proven otherwise, and anyone that is treated otherwise is being treated unfairly. Footballers shout all sorts of abuse at each other during a match, often relating to their backgrounds. Italy won the World Cup thanks to Materazzi racially abusing Zidane, and making comments about Zidane's mother and sister. I have had abuse on the football field from both Asian and black players of a racial nature in Sunday League and nothing is ever done about it. I have also seen white players respond in kind, and again nothing is done. John Terry should be allowed to get on with his life as normal until the trial. The same as anyone else in any walk of life. I am no great fan of him as a person, nor would I introduce him to a girlfriend, but this is just a witch hunt.So it seems the FA are going to strip him of the captaincy and pre judge him prior to trial. This all seems to be under fairly mild pressure from the Ferdinand brothers, Jason Roberts and a raft of anti racism campaigners.

In this country you are innocent till proven otherwise, and anyone that is treated otherwise is being treated unfairly.

Footballers shout all sorts of abuse at each other during a match, often relating to their backgrounds.

Italy won the World Cup thanks to Materazzi racially abusing Zidane, and making comments about Zidane's mother and sister.

I have had abuse on the football field from both Asian and black players of a racial nature in Sunday League and nothing is ever done about it. I have also seen white players respond in kind, and again nothing is done.

John Terry should be allowed to get on with his life as normal until the trial. The same as anyone else in any walk of life.

I am no great fan of him as a person, nor would I introduce him to a girlfriend, but this is just a witch hunt.

 

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Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By jamie1976 - 03-02-2012 10:25

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I would also like to make clear I am NOT endorsing any kind of racism or indeed abuse of anyone, by anyone.I would also like to make clear I am NOT endorsing any kind of racism or indeed abuse of anyone, by anyone.

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By nomercyurz - 03-02-2012 19:04

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what ever happened to 'sticks and stones'? 'miss. miss he's calling me names', wish everyone would grow up, football is supposed to be played by grown men, you wouldnt think so watching it week in, week outwhat ever happened to 'sticks and stones'? 'miss. miss he's calling me names', wish everyone would grow up, football is supposed to be played by grown men, you wouldnt think so watching it week in, week out

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By xellu - 03-02-2012 20:37

Completely agree with you Jamie.Completely agree with you Jamie.

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By apwall21 - 03-02-2012 21:56

"'bout time for a war I reckon... put some starch in their collars...""'bout time for a war I reckon... put some starch in their collars..."

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By madmonk - 04-02-2012 00:02

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The FA have previous for this, where they banned Bowyer and Woodgate from selection for England when awaiting trial. As for 'getting on with life as normal until the trial, the same as anyone else in any walk of life' - in many jobs someone facing a charge like this would be suspended (on full pay) until the matter was resolved, you might have noticed an MP (Chris Huhne) resigned from the cabinet today as he has been charged with perverting the course of justice, at this stage he is innocent and has been found guilty of nothing. Actually think the FA are well within their rights to take the captaincy off John Terry, as the whole issue would be a distracting sideshow at Euro 2012. For the same reason I can't see how him being in the squad wouldn't have the same effect, especially since sectors of the press are suggesting that groups within the England squad have been pushing the PFA (players association) to take a stronger anti-Terry stance.The FA have previous for this, where they banned Bowyer and Woodgate from selection for England when awaiting trial.

As for 'getting on with life as normal until the trial, the same as anyone else in any walk of life' - in many jobs someone facing a charge like this would be suspended (on full pay) until the matter was resolved, you might have noticed an MP (Chris Huhne) resigned from the cabinet today as he has been charged with perverting the course of justice, at this stage he is innocent and has been found guilty of nothing.

Actually think the FA are well within their rights to take the captaincy off John Terry, as the whole issue would be a distracting sideshow at Euro 2012. For the same reason I can't see how him being in the squad wouldn't have the same effect, especially since sectors of the press are suggesting that groups within the England squad have been pushing the PFA (players association) to take a stronger anti-Terry stance.

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By kingjaime - 04-02-2012 00:02

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Stupid situation. The inquiry and hearing and all should've been heard and dealt with swiftly, not drawn out so this sort of situation would arise. If, and it's a big "If", he's found guilty of some serious infraction, won't it look pretty much as bad that he was called up and played? "Oh but he wasn't captain so that's alright". Stupid situation.Stupid situation. The inquiry and hearing and all should've been heard and dealt with swiftly, not drawn out so this sort of situation would arise. If, and it's a big "If", he's found guilty of some serious infraction, won't it look pretty much as bad that he was called up and played? "Oh but he wasn't captain so that's alright". Stupid situation.

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By jamie1976 - 05-02-2012 11:45

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I think you punish someone when the case is done myself. I have not been impressed with Chelsea looking to get the trial delayed, that has helped no one.I think you punish someone when the case is done myself.

I have not been impressed with Chelsea looking to get the trial delayed, that has helped no one.

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By kingjaime - 05-02-2012 15:02

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Potentially, and bearing in mind I tend to think he will be found not guilty, he's going to the Euros, could be in the starting lineup throughout and England could (I stress "could" because obviously it's not all that likely) win. Imagine, further, if he scores even a single crucial goal, or makes just a single crucial interception. How would that look, and how would other countries feel, if he's found guilty a couple of weeks after it ends of a serious offence that (allegedly) took place a considerable time before the finals began... Stupid situation.Potentially, and bearing in mind I tend to think he will be found not guilty, he's going to the Euros, could be in the starting lineup throughout and England could (I stress "could" because obviously it's not all that likely) win. Imagine, further, if he scores even a single crucial goal, or makes just a single crucial interception. How would that look, and how would other countries feel, if he's found guilty a couple of weeks after it ends of a serious offence that (allegedly) took place a considerable time before the finals began... Stupid situation.

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By jamiescfc2010 - 05-02-2012 16:14

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I think the whole situation has got out of hand. I think picking John Terry for captain would be totally immoral for him being captain. It's a good thing that he isn't captain for England as he has damaged the morale in the dressing room. I would pick Micah Richards for England captain.I think the whole situation has got out of hand. I think picking John Terry for captain would be totally immoral for him being captain. It's a good thing that he isn't captain for England as he has damaged the morale in the dressing room. I would pick Micah Richards for England captain.

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By heddo - 06-02-2012 03:15

he is not the right person to be captain of england, and i am sick of footballers and managers being able to wriggle themselves out of trouble, in the workplace, if you do something wrong , you get fired, and it is almost impossible to get back in, in football, it either gets forgotten about and you go back to business as usual after receiving a lame punishment, or you just shuffle into another post, John Terry can stand in front of a camera and lie into everybodys face and get away with it, and so can Harry Redknapp, i just think that it is so funny, how the taylor report etc banished hooligan behaviour in the 80 s/90s, and now that they have everyone sitting and behaving themselves in the stands, the folk that they have forgotten about are the thugs , liars and cheats in the dugouts and on the pitch of every football field in England, if you cant get away with being a thug off the field, then i am certainly not going to be a mug and sit and watch the thugs on the field and dug outs with there pantomime antics cheating and charlatan behaviour, do the right thing, and keep your money in your pocket..he is not the right person to be captain of england, and i am sick of footballers and managers being able to wriggle themselves out of trouble, in the workplace, if you do something wrong , you get fired, and it is almost impossible to get back in, in football, it either gets forgotten about and you go back to business as usual after receiving a lame punishment, or you just shuffle into another post, John Terry can stand in front of a camera and lie into everybodys face and get away with it, and so can Harry Redknapp, i just think that it is so funny, how the taylor report etc banished hooligan behaviour in the 80 s/90s, and now that they have everyone sitting and behaving themselves in the stands, the folk that they have forgotten about are the thugs , liars and cheats in the dugouts and on the pitch of every football field in England, if you cant get away with being a thug off the field, then i am certainly not going to be a mug and sit and watch the thugs on the field and dug outs with there pantomime antics cheating and charlatan behaviour, do the right thing, and keep your money in your pocket..

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By kingjaime - 06-02-2012 15:18

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So he's guilty then? Or you're at least agreeing the process of determining *whether he's guilty* should've been accelerated, if anything, not deferred until after the finals are over.So he's guilty then? Or you're at least agreeing the process of determining *whether he's guilty* should've been accelerated, if anything, not deferred until after the finals are over.

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By jamie1976 - 07-02-2012 23:14

[ENG]

Not sure who you are addressing King Jaime, but I think that the case should have been heard earlier and he should be punished after that, if he is guilty.Not sure who you are addressing King Jaime, but I think that the case should have been heard earlier and he should be punished after that, if he is guilty.

Re: John Terry, guilty till proven otherwise?

By safctillidie - 09-02-2012 02:58

'' By kingjaime Sunday 14:02 Potentially, and bearing in mind I tend to think he will be found not guilty, he's going to the Euros, could be in the starting lineup throughout and England could (I stress "could" because obviously it's not all that likely) win. Imagine, further, if he scores even a single crucial goal, or makes just a single crucial interception. How would that look, and how would other countries feel, if he's found guilty a couple of weeks after it ends of a serious offence that (allegedly) took place a considerable time before the finals began... Stupid situation. '' as much as i dont want him to go, id feel absolutely no remorse if he scored a goal then got banned, the german team who knocked us out of the world cup was made up of players born in several countries across europe(not german nationals in my opinion) as was the france squad who won the woorld cup a few years ago, so i have no sympathy for a team fielding players who arent even born in that country and have just lived there/ played there for 5-10 yrs...............'' By kingjaime Sunday 14:02
Potentially, and bearing in mind I tend to think he will be found not guilty, he's going to the Euros, could be in the starting lineup throughout and England could (I stress "could" because obviously it's not all that likely) win. Imagine, further, if he scores even a single crucial goal, or makes just a single crucial interception. How would that look, and how would other countries feel, if he's found guilty a couple of weeks after it ends of a serious offence that (allegedly) took place a considerable time before the finals began... Stupid situation. ''

as much as i dont want him to go, id feel absolutely no remorse if he scored a goal then got banned, the german team who knocked us out of the world cup was made up of players born in several countries across europe(not german nationals in my opinion) as was the france squad who won the woorld cup a few years ago, so i have no sympathy for a team fielding players who arent even born in that country and have just lived there/ played there for 5-10 yrs...............

 

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