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Luis Suarez Ban

By steviedee - 20-12-2011 23:14

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a can of worms? Imo he need to return back to the real worlda can of worms? Imo he need to return back to the real world

 

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Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 20-12-2011 23:55

[ENG]

The appeal will be interesting.... Evra is the only person that has been proved to have made insulting comments in that he admitted to it. Plus Evra has been proven to have lied about being on the end of racial abuse, in the case he brought against Chelsea by Evra and Man United a few years ago. Basically no one can back up Evra's claim, so it is a staggering outcome.The appeal will be interesting.... Evra is the only person that has been proved to have made insulting comments in that he admitted to it. Plus Evra has been proven to have lied about being on the end of racial abuse, in the case he brought against Chelsea by Evra and Man United a few years ago.

Basically no one can back up Evra's claim, so it is a staggering outcome.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By kingjaime - 21-12-2011 03:07

[BVB]

Yeah, with no apparent independent verification of whether something was said or not, it is a fairly astonishing decision at the moment. A written report on why he was found guilty is supposed to be forthcoming and will be interesting. At the moment it seems indeed like it's just on the word of Evra, which is absurd.Yeah, with no apparent independent verification of whether something was said or not, it is a fairly astonishing decision at the moment. A written report on why he was found guilty is supposed to be forthcoming and will be interesting. At the moment it seems indeed like it's just on the word of Evra, which is absurd.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By contrafarsa - 21-12-2011 04:22

pateticpatetic

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamiescfc2010 - 21-12-2011 09:41

[World]

It was like John Terry row even though I can not read lips but I do hope John Terry don't suffer the same fate.It was like John Terry row even though I can not read lips but I do hope John Terry don't suffer the same fate.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 21-12-2011 11:18

[ENG]

Terry's case is with the CPS, as accusations like this should be. Evra is a bit of a lying git though, it's been shown so many times in his behaviour. It's a bit too much like using the accusation of racism as a defence or attack method on people for my liking.Terry's case is with the CPS, as accusations like this should be.

Evra is a bit of a lying git though, it's been shown so many times in his behaviour. It's a bit too much like using the accusation of racism as a defence or attack method on people for my liking.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By xellu - 21-12-2011 14:02

Same old story...Same old story...

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By guillo-b - 21-12-2011 19:39

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Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By heddo - 21-12-2011 22:30

was nt there footage on the news of the duals/grapples/incidents they were having during the game, my guess is the tv footage played a part in his downfall, the attitude from suarez toward evra did not seem very sportsmanlike and maybe suarez was being naive, evra may be playing on it but if suarez has allowed the situation to trip him up by his own mis givings, then the blame lies with him, and from what i have seen of him in a very short time is that he is a blatant cheat any way, it would not surprise me if he is an all round bad egg, and i view this as some kind of come uppence..was nt there footage on the news of the duals/grapples/incidents they were having during the game, my guess is the tv footage played a part in his downfall, the attitude from suarez toward evra did not seem very sportsmanlike and maybe suarez was being naive, evra may be playing on it but if suarez has allowed the situation to trip him up by his own mis givings, then the blame lies with him, and from what i have seen of him in a very short time is that he is a blatant cheat any way, it would not surprise me if he is an all round bad egg, and i view this as some kind of come uppence..

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By mitch1029 - 21-12-2011 23:42

By jamie1976 Yesterday 22:55 The appeal will be interesting.... Evra is the only person that has been proved to have made insulting comments in that he admitted to it. Plus Evra has been proven to have lied about being on the end of racial abuse, in the case he brought against Chelsea by Evra and Man United a few years ago. Sorry mate but i'm getting sick of reading this crap from people who can't be bothered to look into these incidents. The allegations were made by assistant manager Mike phelan and Goalkeeping coach Phil Hartis. Actual takings from the report: “The two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis.” It later goes on to say “Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day, it is notable that there were several other people far nearer to Mr Bethell at the critical point in time than were either Mr Phelan or Mr Hartis.” And just to clear up the other incident before it's mentioned. The Steve Finnan incident was a complaint put forward from a disabled deaf fan who claims to have lipread what Finnan had said to Evra. Evra heard nothing and didn't put in a complaint. An article to refresh your memory: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/mar/01/newsstory.sport4 Bit of a rant but saying he constantly cries wolf is just ridiculous.By jamie1976 Yesterday 22:55
The appeal will be interesting.... Evra is the only person that has been proved to have made insulting comments in that he admitted to it. Plus Evra has been proven to have lied about being on the end of racial abuse, in the case he brought against Chelsea by Evra and Man United a few years ago.

Sorry mate but i'm getting sick of reading this crap from people who can't be bothered to look into these incidents. The allegations were made by assistant manager Mike phelan and Goalkeeping coach Phil Hartis. Actual takings from the report:

“The two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis.” It later goes on to say “Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day, it is notable that there were several other people far nearer to Mr Bethell at the critical point in time than were either Mr Phelan or Mr Hartis.”

And just to clear up the other incident before it's mentioned. The Steve Finnan incident was a complaint put forward from a disabled deaf fan who claims to have lipread what Finnan had said to Evra. Evra heard nothing and didn't put in a complaint. An article to refresh your memory:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/mar/01/newsstory.sport4

Bit of a rant but saying he constantly cries wolf is just ridiculous.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By bulldogs123 - 22-12-2011 02:02

a disgrace really, the FA seem to hate LFC and Suarez, and whats with the booing from the opposition fans? what has Suarez done to them? grow up opposition fans there is no evidence against him so no point booing him, just to make the situation worse there is more evidence that Evra is most likely lying making this all hard on Suarez.a disgrace really, the FA seem to hate LFC and Suarez, and whats with the booing from the opposition fans? what has Suarez done to them? grow up opposition fans there is no evidence against him so no point booing him, just to make the situation worse there is more evidence that Evra is most likely lying making this all hard on Suarez.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 22-12-2011 08:28

[ENG]

Ok Mitch, so because someone made up some balls about Steve Finnan 5 years ago that makes Evra a saint or something? All the reporting of the current Evra race scandel, which I now realise is at least number 3 about him has said that no other people have been able to back up Evra's story. Not only that it has been widely reported that Evra wanted to persue the case, just as he did against the Chelsea ground staff. In that case Evra was charged because he started a fight with a member of Chelsea's staff on the pitch during the warm done. His excuse was that the Chelsea staff member was racist towards him. What Evra was too stupid to realise was that Chelsea still had CCTV running and handed the tapes to the FA and Police, which meant that his defence, responding to a racist comment ( because we all know it is ok to hit someone if they say something we do not like ) fell apart. I cannot see how the FA can declare someone a racist, which they have done no matter how much they spent yesterday saying they had not, because they charged him with racism. When there is no independent evidence, just one person's word against another.Ok Mitch, so because someone made up some balls about Steve Finnan 5 years ago that makes Evra a saint or something?

All the reporting of the current Evra race scandel, which I now realise is at least number 3 about him has said that no other people have been able to back up Evra's story. Not only that it has been widely reported that Evra wanted to persue the case, just as he did against the Chelsea ground staff. In that case Evra was charged because he started a fight with a member of Chelsea's staff on the pitch during the warm done.

His excuse was that the Chelsea staff member was racist towards him. What Evra was too stupid to realise was that Chelsea still had CCTV running and handed the tapes to the FA and Police, which meant that his defence, responding to a racist comment ( because we all know it is ok to hit someone if they say something we do not like ) fell apart.

I cannot see how the FA can declare someone a racist, which they have done no matter how much they spent yesterday saying they had not, because they charged him with racism. When there is no independent evidence, just one person's word against another.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By heddo - 22-12-2011 19:51

hasnt suarez admitted saying a word that he thought was harmless, they said on MOTD that the punishment could only have been meted out from solid evidence such as an admission.. he has 14 days to appeal..hasnt suarez admitted saying a word that he thought was harmless, they said on MOTD that the punishment could only have been meted out from solid evidence such as an admission..
he has 14 days to appeal..

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By apwall21 - 23-12-2011 00:12

"“Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day," hmm... if a racist statement falls in a forest..."“Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day,"

hmm... if a racist statement falls in a forest...

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 23-12-2011 08:13

[ENG]

I am no Liverpool fan but from what I can tell nothing has been admitted by Suarez. My point is Evra always seems to be on the end of this sort of thing. It should be in a criminal court if this is the way we are going. The next logical step would be to start charging the fans for the abuse they meat out, that would be funI am no Liverpool fan but from what I can tell nothing has been admitted by Suarez. My point is Evra always seems to be on the end of this sort of thing. It should be in a criminal court if this is the way we are going.

The next logical step would be to start charging the fans for the abuse they meat out, that would be fun

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By heddo - 23-12-2011 19:18

charging the fans for racist abuse actually happens, clubs get punished, in recent years FIFA have pressed hard to banish racism from the sport, mainly due to the fact that racist chants in eastern bloc stadiums were becoming a little hard to sweep under the carpet and whilst racism on the terraces was almost a thing of the past in some countries, other countries were and still are not doing enough to stamp it out, so with all of the posters, T shirts, and stadium advertising driving the campaign, what is a player like Evra supposed to do if he is racially abused, if he does nothing, then the sport has not progressed in the last 40 years, so why are you making out Evra to be a villain, on the other hand looking at Suarez, it did not take long for folk to brand him a diver, it could also be possible that he carries a little extra dishonesty and disrespect, or ignorance and naivety with him, i think he is probably guilty and i hope the punishment stands, i do not think there is such a thing as a player using the race card and i would expect a player like Evra to be a little bit saddened to see an anti racism drive in progress in his sport, only then to have to undergo the experience from a so called fellow proffessional, he has no other option other than to flag it in, the only other option is to break Suarez jaw, just like Paul Davis did to Glen Cockerill in 1988, in this case the victim turned to villain and it cost Davis , he was almost certainly destined to play for England, but never did after that event.. i cant help thinking jamie that your stance on Evra is that he should just shrug it off and get on with it, your making him out to be a moaner or some kind of drama queen, maybe he is looking for respect, we are talking about the workplace here and it is unacceptable in any other place of work..charging the fans for racist abuse actually happens, clubs get punished, in recent years FIFA have pressed hard to banish racism from the sport, mainly due to the fact that racist chants in eastern bloc stadiums were becoming a little hard to sweep under the carpet and whilst racism on the terraces was almost a thing of the past in some countries, other countries were and still are not doing enough to stamp it out, so with all of the posters, T shirts, and stadium advertising driving the campaign, what is a player like Evra supposed to do if he is racially abused, if he does nothing, then the sport has not progressed in the last 40 years, so why are you making out Evra to be a villain, on the other hand looking at Suarez, it did not take long for folk to brand him a diver, it could also be possible that he carries a little extra dishonesty and disrespect, or ignorance and naivety with him, i think he is probably guilty and i hope the punishment stands, i do not think there is such a thing as a player using the race card and i would expect a player like Evra to be a little bit saddened to see an anti racism drive in progress in his sport, only then to have to undergo the experience from a so called fellow proffessional, he has no other option other than to flag it in, the only other option is to break Suarez jaw, just like Paul Davis did to Glen Cockerill in 1988, in this case the victim turned to villain and it cost Davis , he was almost certainly destined to play for England, but never did after that event..
i cant help thinking jamie that your stance on Evra is that he should just shrug it off and get on with it, your making him out to be a moaner or some kind of drama queen, maybe he is looking for respect, we are talking about the workplace here and it is unacceptable in any other place of work..

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By lmourinho - 23-12-2011 20:24

[FTrico]

Liverpool and Suarez the best!! YNWA. Dont cry Evra, dont cry.Liverpool and Suarez the best!! YNWA. Dont cry Evra, dont cry.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By troyh65 - 24-12-2011 11:58

[Juve]

A complete farce. Where on earth do u get convicted on 'someones word' lol Funniest thing I hvae ever heard. Embarrassing, Get a high profile lawyer involved and it will be over-turned within a week.A complete farce. Where on earth do u get convicted on 'someones word' lol Funniest thing I hvae ever heard.

Embarrassing,

Get a high profile lawyer involved and it will be over-turned within a week.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By heddo - 24-12-2011 17:05

how about a murderer confesses to his cell mate that he did more crimes and the cell mate blows the whistle, there is also tv footage of the tussles they were having, stop trying to defend Suarez , he is a cheat, show some respect to the captain of Manchester United, he is probably a very proud man..how about a murderer confesses to his cell mate that he did more crimes and the cell mate blows the whistle, there is also tv footage of the tussles they were having, stop trying to defend Suarez , he is a cheat, show some respect to the captain of Manchester United, he is probably a very proud man..

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By sfvtony - 25-12-2011 01:10

Its evra word against Suarez! They are most likely to believe Evra since racism in England is very high.Its evra word against Suarez!
They are most likely to believe Evra since racism in England is very high.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By troyh65 - 25-12-2011 12:03

[Juve]

Show me the proof, is that too hard to comprehend? I don't care either way, just convict someone on more than word of mouth.Show me the proof, is that too hard to comprehend?

I don't care either way, just convict someone on more than word of mouth.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By maximilian - 25-12-2011 14:43

are you guys just retarded or just ignorant? An independent panel appointed by the FA, not the FA, called both Evra and Suarez in. They asked Evra, with regards to Liverpools claim that Evra is not entirely innocent in the matter and that he, Evra, made insulting comments to Syarez during the game as well. The panel asked Suarez , ''did Mr Evra make insulting comments towards you?'', Mr. Suarez replied ''No i did not hear any such thing''. They then asked Mr. Evra, ''did you make insulting comments towards Mr. Suarez?'', Mr. Evra replied, ''Yes i did''. The panel then asked Mr. Suarez, ''did you make insulting comments to Mr Evra with references to his colour using the phrase little negrito?''. Mr. Suarez, commending his honesty here replied, ''yes i did..'' That is what Mr. Suarez is found guilty of. Had he denied it, there would have been no case. He admitted to saying it. What Mr Suarez is denying is that in his country and his reality, that is not a racial abuse or a racist comment and that he is not a racist because to him its normal to say things like that due to the environment he was raised in and he expects it to be the but in England and most part of western europe it is considered racial abuse. So there you have those are the facts of the case. John Terry's case is in a way different because there is video evidence of him saying what he said, hence why it was passed onto the CPS.are you guys just retarded or just ignorant?
An independent panel appointed by the FA, not the FA, called both Evra and Suarez in. They asked Evra, with regards to Liverpools claim that Evra is not entirely innocent in the matter and that he, Evra, made insulting comments to Syarez during the game as well. The panel asked Suarez , ''did Mr Evra make insulting comments towards you?'', Mr. Suarez replied ''No i did not hear any such thing''.

They then asked Mr. Evra, ''did you make insulting comments towards Mr. Suarez?'', Mr. Evra replied, ''Yes i did''.

The panel then asked Mr. Suarez, ''did you make insulting comments to Mr Evra with references to his colour using the phrase little negrito?''. Mr. Suarez, commending his honesty here replied, ''yes i did..''

That is what Mr. Suarez is found guilty of. Had he denied it, there would have been no case. He admitted to saying it.

What Mr Suarez is denying is that in his country and his reality, that is not a racial abuse or a racist comment and that he is not a racist because to him its normal to say things like that due to the environment he was raised in and he expects it to be the but in England and most part of western europe it is considered racial abuse.

So there you have those are the facts of the case. John Terry's case is in a way different because there is video evidence of him saying what he said, hence why it was passed onto the CPS.

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By maximilian - 25-12-2011 14:53

One more thing, what Kenny Dalglish did by making this whole case the FA against Liverpool is so stupid and foolish on his part. Wearing T shirts in support of Suarez when the man has already admittec to the offence and being found guilty just shows how out of touch Dalglish is to reality. Wisest thing Liverpool could have done was to apologise on Suarez's behalf and let the matter rest. He has made Liverpool into a laughing stock. Its not Liverpool against the FA, its about an uneducated man making silly comments he shouldnt be making.One more thing, what Kenny Dalglish did by making this whole case the FA against Liverpool is so stupid and foolish on his part.

Wearing T shirts in support of Suarez when the man has already admittec to the offence and being found guilty just shows how out of touch Dalglish is to reality.

Wisest thing Liverpool could have done was to apologise on Suarez's behalf and let the matter rest.

He has made Liverpool into a laughing stock. Its not Liverpool against the FA, its about an uneducated man making silly comments he shouldnt be making.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 01-01-2012 11:06

[ENG]

Well it's all in the public domain and in seems fairly clear cut and he has said some things he should not haveWell it's all in the public domain and in seems fairly clear cut and he has said some things he should not have

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamiescfc2010 - 01-01-2012 11:38

[World]

but I don't know why the players wore those Suarez t-shirts just after the verdict has been given.but I don't know why the players wore those Suarez t-shirts just after the verdict has been given.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 05-01-2012 07:11

[ENG]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro#cite_note-DRAE-12 Interestinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro#cite_note-DRAE-12

Interesting

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By potatohead - 07-01-2012 15:57

Let me guess, those loveable scouse scallies are wonderful after last nights incident? No blame for their actions at Hillborough can ever be apportioned ( freely accepting the police ballsed things up big time ), none of the deaths at Heysel ( which they seem to be fairly quiet about. Guess they only want justice for their own, eh? ) were really their fault. Suarez changing his story is of course someone else's fault. Chanting Suarez' name as events unfolded tonight is of course someone else's fault. Still, it'll have to be someone else's fault. After all scousers are clearly always the victims.Let me guess, those loveable scouse scallies are wonderful after last nights incident?

No blame for their actions at Hillborough can ever be apportioned ( freely accepting the police ballsed things up big time ), none of the deaths at Heysel ( which they seem to be fairly quiet about. Guess they only want justice for their own, eh? ) were really their fault.

Suarez changing his story is of course someone else's fault.

Chanting Suarez' name as events unfolded tonight is of course someone else's fault.

Still, it'll have to be someone else's fault. After all scousers are clearly always the victims.

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By jamiescfc2010 - 07-01-2012 21:58

[World]

The Merseyside police have arrested a 20 year old from Aintree last night [image url=http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/userdb/CoZone_Script/04/smiley/a17.gif]. I hope he get's the charged for the fullest extent of the law [image url=http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/userdb/CoZone_Script/04/smiley/a19.gif]The Merseyside police have arrested a 20 year old from Aintree last night . I hope he get's the charged for the fullest extent of the law

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 08-01-2012 11:13

[ENG]

Liverpool like to say they are the greatest fans in the world, and if you disagree they will attack you. I have seen a Liverpool fan stab a Chelsea fan outside Stamford Bridge, and seen them hurl bottles at women walking past on their way home from work at 7pm. Maybe it is just a racist club? They seem happy for Saurez to call Glen Johnson a negro every day and have condonned him doing. Surely someone at Liverpool should have told him not to use that word the first time he did it.Liverpool like to say they are the greatest fans in the world, and if you disagree they will attack you. I have seen a Liverpool fan stab a Chelsea fan outside Stamford Bridge, and seen them hurl bottles at women walking past on their way home from work at 7pm.

Maybe it is just a racist club? They seem happy for Saurez to call Glen Johnson a negro every day and have condonned him doing.

Surely someone at Liverpool should have told him not to use that word the first time he did it.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By el_stevo_chueco - 29-01-2012 03:32

Or they could just send shotgun cartridges in the post...Or they could just send shotgun cartridges in the post...

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By safctillidie - 29-01-2012 17:29

liverpool fans embarrased themselves yesterday booing Evra! for what? he was racially abused and complained about it???? youd expect a bullied child to report being bullied wouldnt you? liverpool are a disgusting club, with overrated fans and honestly love themselves beyond belief. Disgraceful yesterday, though liverpool wont mind , they have just one non white player in the first team squad no wonder theyve backing the racits little weasel. kick him outta the game dont need players like himliverpool fans embarrased themselves yesterday booing Evra! for what? he was racially abused and complained about it???? youd expect a bullied child to report being bullied wouldnt you? liverpool are a disgusting club, with overrated fans and honestly love themselves beyond belief. Disgraceful yesterday, though liverpool wont mind , they have just one non white player in the first team squad no wonder theyve backing the racits little weasel. kick him outta the game dont need players like him

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By safctillidie - 11-02-2012 15:57

he just cant help himself, disgusting little s***he just cant help himself, disgusting little s***

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By jamie1976 - 11-02-2012 16:00

[ENG]

More nonsense by the way today, did Evra offer his hand, did he not?More nonsense by the way today, did Evra offer his hand, did he not?

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By kingjaime - 11-02-2012 18:26

[BVB]

Re-watched it a few times, still looks a bit unclear, I sort of see it that Evra was reticent and Suarez in that instant decided not to offer his hand either... or maybe De Gea reached across a bit... I kinda understand if from Suarez's point of view he's been mistreated over the whole matter and so holds a bit of a grudge, and we never know what's been said between them in private, like perhaps rebuffed apologies or Suarez feels he's explained why it wasn't a negative racial thing and Evra wouldn't accept that, who knows. Just get on with it, shake hands and move on? Would've been the simpler thing, but spur-of-the-moment perhaps.Re-watched it a few times, still looks a bit unclear, I sort of see it that Evra was reticent and Suarez in that instant decided not to offer his hand either... or maybe De Gea reached across a bit... I kinda understand if from Suarez's point of view he's been mistreated over the whole matter and so holds a bit of a grudge, and we never know what's been said between them in private, like perhaps rebuffed apologies or Suarez feels he's explained why it wasn't a negative racial thing and Evra wouldn't accept that, who knows. Just get on with it, shake hands and move on? Would've been the simpler thing, but spur-of-the-moment perhaps.

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By apwall21 - 11-02-2012 20:36

much of the world still thinks of personality in nationality and/or skin tone. it suits nobody to pretend this isn't true. "The Negrito are a class of several ethnic groups who inhabit isolated parts of Southeast Asia." (wikipedia) ""In Uruguay it is a nickname for someone whose skin is darker than the rest," (Gus Poyet) "It is not offensive. Such people are part of our society. We will defend them, go to war with them, share everything with them, and at the same time use that word." (independent) where, exactly, is the great insult? the "little" part, to a fella 1.75 m tall? sounds to me like the "great white guilt" which spawned "political correctness as religion" has swollen itself into judging cultures entirely different than its own.much of the world still thinks of personality in nationality and/or skin tone. it suits nobody to pretend this isn't true.

"The Negrito are a class of several ethnic groups who inhabit isolated parts of Southeast Asia." (wikipedia)
""In Uruguay it is a nickname for someone whose skin is darker than the rest," (Gus Poyet) "It is not offensive. Such people are part of our society. We will defend them, go to war with them, share everything with them, and at the same time use that word." (independent)

where, exactly, is the great insult? the "little" part, to a fella 1.75 m tall?

sounds to me like the "great white guilt" which spawned "political correctness as religion" has swollen itself into judging cultures entirely different than its own.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By frankzappa - 11-02-2012 23:09

[KERNOW]
President

Would he have got an eight match ban for calling Paul Scholes a Ginger Tosser? No. What's the difference though? He had every right to refuse Evra's hand shake. The whole thing has got out of hand and Evra made himself look pretty stupid today by petulently grabbing Suarez.Would he have got an eight match ban for calling Paul Scholes a Ginger Tosser? No.
What's the difference though?
He had every right to refuse Evra's hand shake. The whole thing has got out of hand and Evra made himself look pretty stupid today by petulently grabbing Suarez.

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By madmonk - 12-02-2012 02:23

[BotP]

Does he really look so stupid given that Liverpool FC issued a press release during the week announcung that the two players would shake hands before the game? Given the amount of media attention, I'd take Fergie's post match comments at face value that Evra had said he wanted to shake hands, keep his dignity and put the whole thing behind him as he (Evra) had done nothing wrong. What exactly would you then think when Suarez didn't shake your hand? Anway, coming soon the press release: Suarez bemused by press reaction: not shaking hands is an act of affection in Uruguay and he cannot understand the reaction to this show of friendship towards Evra.Does he really look so stupid given that Liverpool FC issued a press release during the week announcung that the two players would shake hands before the game?

Given the amount of media attention, I'd take Fergie's post match comments at face value that Evra had said he wanted to shake hands, keep his dignity and put the whole thing behind him as he (Evra) had done nothing wrong. What exactly would you then think when Suarez didn't shake your hand?

Anway, coming soon the press release:
Suarez bemused by press reaction: not shaking hands is an act of affection in Uruguay and he cannot understand the reaction to this show of friendship towards Evra.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 12-02-2012 10:35

[ENG]

Liverpool Football Club are simply defending racism as far as I can see. Which is very sad to see, a once great football club, embracing racism.Liverpool Football Club are simply defending racism as far as I can see.

Which is very sad to see, a once great football club, embracing racism.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By frankzappa - 12-02-2012 11:18

[KERNOW]
President

Man Utd and Erva have simply used the heat surrounding racism to weaken rivals Liverpool for 8 matches and to attempt to discredit them long term. It's natural for rivals to chip away and exploit weaknesses and strengths on and off the pitch. If Fergie can stand up with hand on heart and say that he has never uttered a racist comment, about a Black Man, a Frenchman, or even an Englishman, then fair enough. Somehow I doubt it though. This whole affair reeks of hypocracy. That is the saddest part.Man Utd and Erva have simply used the heat surrounding racism to weaken rivals Liverpool for 8 matches and to attempt to discredit them long term.
It's natural for rivals to chip away and exploit weaknesses and strengths on and off the pitch.
If Fergie can stand up with hand on heart and say that he has never uttered a racist comment, about a Black Man, a Frenchman, or even an Englishman, then fair enough. Somehow I doubt it though.
This whole affair reeks of hypocracy. That is the saddest part.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By kingjaime - 12-02-2012 18:48

[BVB]

I don't think this is any longer an issue of racism, if it ever especially was racism, rather than a cultural "mistranslation/misunderstanding". It's personal between the two. To take it as "Luis Suarez has refused to shake the hand of a black man" (the ultimate basement version) is obviously wrong, since he went ahead as normal with the other black and bi-racial players (with the exception of Ferdinand). As is more likely, to take it as " Luis Suarez has refused to shake the hand of a man he racially abused"... that's also incorrect I think. The authorities found Luis Suarez guilty, but that doesn't mean he is. If he is guilty of something by our cultural standards and our law, that wouldn't be a problem at all, let alone an offence, under Uruguayan culture and law, I can understand his feeling hard done by. An awful lot of "anti-racism" lobbyists, powerful indeed in the football world these days, had their say about the situation and little support was shown for Suarez. If he, as I kinda expect, would've tried to personally explain to Evra only to be rebuffed, found guilty, banned for 8 matches... then it's all too easy to misconstrue that Evra has been the wronged party all along and this is like "another affront". I also think two thoughts: (1) Evra, and Man Utd, are indeed not beyond gamesmanship and taking advantage of situations. Evra showed himself to be a less than upstanding "straight arrow" type in picking up his ban from the French national team. Likewise in his celebration at the end of the match. (2) Evra did not have his hand raised ready to shake, he was reticent, requiring Suarez to make a particular effort if he had wished to shake Evra's hand. In the heat of the moment, I'd understand him not wanting to do that, perhaps if for no more complicated reason than the apologetic aspect of seeking/reaching (rather than a straightforward 50-50 handshake). But then again, he's issued some sort of apology since anyway, so I hear.I don't think this is any longer an issue of racism, if it ever especially was racism, rather than a cultural "mistranslation/misunderstanding". It's personal between the two. To take it as "Luis Suarez has refused to shake the hand of a black man" (the ultimate basement version) is obviously wrong, since he went ahead as normal with the other black and bi-racial players (with the exception of Ferdinand). As is more likely, to take it as " Luis Suarez has refused to shake the hand of a man he racially abused"... that's also incorrect I think. The authorities found Luis Suarez guilty, but that doesn't mean he is. If he is guilty of something by our cultural standards and our law, that wouldn't be a problem at all, let alone an offence, under Uruguayan culture and law, I can understand his feeling hard done by. An awful lot of "anti-racism" lobbyists, powerful indeed in the football world these days, had their say about the situation and little support was shown for Suarez. If he, as I kinda expect, would've tried to personally explain to Evra only to be rebuffed, found guilty, banned for 8 matches... then it's all too easy to misconstrue that Evra has been the wronged party all along and this is like "another affront".

I also think two thoughts: (1) Evra, and Man Utd, are indeed not beyond gamesmanship and taking advantage of situations. Evra showed himself to be a less than upstanding "straight arrow" type in picking up his ban from the French national team. Likewise in his celebration at the end of the match. (2) Evra did not have his hand raised ready to shake, he was reticent, requiring Suarez to make a particular effort if he had wished to shake Evra's hand. In the heat of the moment, I'd understand him not wanting to do that, perhaps if for no more complicated reason than the apologetic aspect of seeking/reaching (rather than a straightforward 50-50 handshake).

But then again, he's issued some sort of apology since anyway, so I hear.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By steviedee - 12-02-2012 20:11

[BotP]

Suarez has apologized and so has Kenny, kick racism out of football.Suarez has apologized and so has Kenny, kick racism out of football.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 12-02-2012 21:54

[ENG]

Yes, about time to do....Yes, about time to do....

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By apwall21 - 12-02-2012 22:17

since race and nationality are almost impossible to segregate in some nations, how do you perceive this happening?since race and nationality are almost impossible to segregate in some nations, how do you perceive this happening?

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By kingjaime - 13-02-2012 00:25

[BVB]

Kick racism out just means silence it anyway.Kick racism out just means silence it anyway.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By heddo - 13-02-2012 02:37

your wrong, football is going in the right direction on race issues, its just a shame that they cannot iron out the cheating , diving and lack of mutual respect and financial craziness, if some one can be flagged and prosecuted for making a racial gesture in a grandiose stadia then football has gone leaps and bounds into the right direction, i watched football from 1980 onwards. when black players were a huge minority, and the songs i heard ,and also sang have no place, in hindsight then or now, i have total respect for patrice evra as a man, a footballer, and as captain of man utd, i am finding it hard to offer respect to luis suarez on any one of the three pre mentioned, maybe racism is the wrong word these days, surely it is not too hard to have respect in this day ,and if football and sport cannot offer a window, then we are screwed,your wrong, football is going in the right direction on race issues, its just a shame that they cannot iron out the cheating , diving and lack of mutual respect and financial craziness, if some one can be flagged and prosecuted for making a racial gesture in a grandiose stadia then football has gone leaps and bounds into the right direction, i watched football from 1980 onwards. when black players were a huge minority, and the songs i heard ,and also sang have no place, in hindsight then or now, i have total respect for patrice evra as a man, a footballer, and as captain of man utd, i am finding it hard to offer respect to luis suarez on any one of the three pre mentioned,
maybe racism is the wrong word these days, surely it is not too hard to have respect in this day ,and if football and sport cannot offer a window, then we are screwed,

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By frankzappa - 13-02-2012 18:59

[KERNOW]
President

You respect the way Evra celebrated the victory in front of Suarez to rub his nose in it? A respectful jesture for sure. Point proved. As I said... Hypocracy.You respect the way Evra celebrated the victory in front of Suarez to rub his nose in it?
A respectful jesture for sure.
Point proved. As I said... Hypocracy.

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By safctillidie - 13-02-2012 19:17

everyone who says suarez's comment wasnt racist must be deluded? you seen him on one replay clearly nip his skin and say it. now regardless of circumstance, he clearly meant it in an official way. not as if evra said ''ere luis, what colour do you think my skin is mate ''everyone who says suarez's comment wasnt racist must be deluded? you seen him on one replay clearly nip his skin and say it. now regardless of circumstance, he clearly meant it in an official way. not as if evra said ''ere luis, what colour do you think my skin is mate ''

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By apwall21 - 14-02-2012 02:09

Ok, I take it back. This Suarez guy is a total moron, if the full reports of what he said are true. However, the whole exchange was so damn childhood playground that I can't help but feel like Evra's letting himself get baited to the point of threat was just as retarded as Suarez telling him he kicked him because he's black. It's a complete "he started it" moment between two well matched players. Suarez is an ahole who tries to rile his opponents to play with their heads, and Evra was easy baited because he felt like a skin color insult was worth the reply. If he was really "to punch him" he should have just clean leveled Suarez's stupid head with no further words and walked away, proud red card and suspensions and all. Otherwise, you might as well be saying "I'm gonna tell my mom!"Ok, I take it back. This Suarez guy is a total moron, if the full reports of what he said are true.

However, the whole exchange was so damn childhood playground that I can't help but feel like Evra's letting himself get baited to the point of threat was just as retarded as Suarez telling him he kicked him because he's black. It's a complete "he started it" moment between two well matched players. Suarez is an ahole who tries to rile his opponents to play with their heads, and Evra was easy baited because he felt like a skin color insult was worth the reply.

If he was really "to punch him" he should have just clean leveled Suarez's stupid head with no further words and walked away, proud red card and suspensions and all. Otherwise, you might as well be saying "I'm gonna tell my mom!"

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By jamie1976 - 14-02-2012 06:00

[ENG]

It can be seen as harsh that the racist element is the bit which is highlighted so much in what was a nasty exchange. Evra's comments about Suarez's sister have been notted but were not. At the end of the day, you just have to not be racist no matter what. The FA have announced that their tribute for Whitney Houston is for Luis to sing "I will always love you" to PatriceIt can be seen as harsh that the racist element is the bit which is highlighted so much in what was a nasty exchange. Evra's comments about Suarez's sister have been notted but were not.

At the end of the day, you just have to not be racist no matter what.

The FA have announced that their tribute for Whitney Houston is for Luis to sing "I will always love you" to Patrice

Re: Luis Suarez Ban

By agdanu - 21-02-2012 05:46

Evra is black... right? Why Suarez is rascist for say black to Evra? Evra: pussyEvra is black... right?

Why Suarez is rascist for say black to Evra?

Evra: pussy

 

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