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Youth Keeper

By ka1990 - 06-09-2011 22:21

I Ordered 4 youths earlier, and sent them all to YTC. One of them ended up geting trained for Keeper, I was woundering does the YTC pick out whats best for my player or is it a random pick. Thank YouI Ordered 4 youths earlier, and sent them all to YTC. One of them ended up geting trained for Keeper,

I was woundering does the YTC pick out whats best for my player or is it a random pick.

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Re: Youth Keeper

By xellu - 06-09-2011 22:28

What's best. Once that youth fiishes from YTC, train him in keeping.What's best. Once that youth fiishes from YTC, train him in keeping.

Re: Youth Keeper

By fva2101 - 08-09-2011 18:39

its a selection of skills the player has that are unlikely to be greater than 4. ive found one of the 3 could potentially be an 8 or a 9. i would do the same as xellu suggests, make that guy a keeper by training him just in that. continue to send him to YTC and if youre lucky he'll get keeping every time and shave off weeks of training before he's a senior.its a selection of skills the player has that are unlikely to be greater than 4. ive found one of the 3 could potentially be an 8 or a 9. i would do the same as xellu suggests, make that guy a keeper by training him just in that. continue to send him to YTC and if youre lucky he'll get keeping every time and shave off weeks of training before he's a senior.

Re: Youth Keeper

By mantamx - 08-09-2011 19:20

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i dont send keepers to YTC2 &3; in fact i generally dont send them to TC at all until they get 7 keeping balls (hopefully before they graduate), as it is too risky. unlike any other player, a keeper maxed at 6 is worthless, and a 7 is of little value (guess >50% of keepers do)... once i am clear they got 7+1day (ie at least 8 potential), i send them to TC's that train secondary skills - the usual stamina, sp, bc, aerial..i dont send keepers to YTC2 &3; in fact i generally dont send them to TC at all until they get 7 keeping balls (hopefully before they graduate), as it is too risky. unlike any other player, a keeper maxed at 6 is worthless, and a 7 is of little value (guess >50% of keepers do)... once i am clear they got 7+1day (ie at least 8 potential), i send them to TC's that train secondary skills - the usual stamina, sp, bc, aerial..

Re: Youth Keeper

By ka1990 - 08-09-2011 19:24

so i should keep sending my youth to YTC or TC for keepers, which one is best for him to get maxed.so i should keep sending my youth to YTC or TC for keepers, which one is best for him to get maxed.

Re: Youth Keeper

By xellu - 08-09-2011 19:39

I'd say YTC.I'd say YTC.

Re: Youth Keeper

By tree_amigos - 09-09-2011 23:13

[MZUSA]
President

YTC is the only way to get the Keeper training camp. There is some debate whether it is better to train a youth destined to be a keeper through training camps or to just stick them on keeping and not train any other skills until later. Just sticking them on keeping devotes all their faster youth training on that one skill. YTC trains keeping and 2 other skills, but has the boost for the later weeks and trains 6 days versus 5. I have not seen any data as to which is actually more efficient use of training time, but I like having some secondaries already developed on my keepers so they are better rounded.YTC is the only way to get the Keeper training camp. There is some debate whether it is better to train a youth destined to be a keeper through training camps or to just stick them on keeping and not train any other skills until later.

Just sticking them on keeping devotes all their faster youth training on that one skill. YTC trains keeping and 2 other skills, but has the boost for the later weeks and trains 6 days versus 5. I have not seen any data as to which is actually more efficient use of training time, but I like having some secondaries already developed on my keepers so they are better rounded.

Re: Youth Keeper

By steviedee - 10-09-2011 01:05

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your better off sending keepers to ytc as their is no training camps when they are seniors, better to get their seconderys up earlyyour better off sending keepers to ytc as their is no training camps when they are seniors, better to get their seconderys up early

Re: Youth Keeper

By championsharma - 10-09-2011 18:21

------------------- By fva2101 Thursday 22:09 its a selection of skills the player has that are unlikely to be greater than 4. ive found one of the 3 could potentially be an 8 or a 9. i would do the same as xellu suggests, make that guy a keeper by training him just in that. continue to send him to YTC and if youre lucky he'll get keeping every time and shave off weeks of training before he's a senior. ---------------------- Can somebody confirm whether 1 of the 3 skills identified by YTC is a high riser, or is it the 1st skill out of the three identified...?? For e.g., if I get Shooting, Tackling, Speed, then does it mean either of these could be the one to reach 8 or 9, or willl it always be shooting? All the different help sites I've read till now only say that it will be the first (primary skill)...-------------------
By fva2101 Thursday 22:09
its a selection of skills the player has that are unlikely to be greater than 4. ive found one of the 3 could potentially be an 8 or a 9. i would do the same as xellu suggests, make that guy a keeper by training him just in that. continue to send him to YTC and if youre lucky he'll get keeping every time and shave off weeks of training before he's a senior.
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Can somebody confirm whether 1 of the 3 skills identified by YTC is a high riser, or is it the 1st skill out of the three identified...??

For e.g., if I get Shooting, Tackling, Speed, then does it mean either of these could be the one to reach 8 or 9, or willl it always be shooting?

All the different help sites I've read till now only say that it will be the first (primary skill)...

Re: Youth Keeper

By steviedee - 11-09-2011 02:46

[BotP]

i had 2 youths in my first batch i ever got and both trained to 10 in keeping, i send my youth to ytc and work around their skills unless its a keeper, i will send him to ytc twice.i had 2 youths in my first batch i ever got and both trained to 10 in keeping, i send my youth to ytc and work around their skills unless its a keeper, i will send him to ytc twice.

Re: Youth Keeper

By tree_amigos - 11-09-2011 04:15

[MZUSA]
President

I've had five players who have maxed in one of the YTC skills, one was a 6, one a 7, 2 were 8s and 1 was a 9. The 7, 8, and 9 were in primary skills, the 6 was in speed. So far I have not had a player who has maxed in all 3 (or in some cases 5) skills which were identified in YTC. I started tracking with my second group of 5 youths but didn't send all of them to YTC, so the data is limited for the early group. I have switched to sending each youth to the YTC since and in a few seasons hope to have some better data to share. As for keeper YTC, sending them more than twice might be risky as they may be approaching maxed and YTC picks skills where they are potentially furthest from being maxed (I recall reading a thread about this quite a while back). That said I have sent potential keepers to YTC twice and gotten different secondaries which means they have at least 5 skills which will max over 6.I've had five players who have maxed in one of the YTC skills, one was a 6, one a 7, 2 were 8s and 1 was a 9. The 7, 8, and 9 were in primary skills, the 6 was in speed.

So far I have not had a player who has maxed in all 3 (or in some cases 5) skills which were identified in YTC. I started tracking with my second group of 5 youths but didn't send all of them to YTC, so the data is limited for the early group. I have switched to sending each youth to the YTC since and in a few seasons hope to have some better data to share.

As for keeper YTC, sending them more than twice might be risky as they may be approaching maxed and YTC picks skills where they are potentially furthest from being maxed (I recall reading a thread about this quite a while back). That said I have sent potential keepers to YTC twice and gotten different secondaries which means they have at least 5 skills which will max over 6.

Re: Youth Keeper

By mexprince1 - 11-09-2011 05:50

The instruction manual to the game says that the YTC will choose 1 skill that the player can reach 6 balls or higher in. The other 1 skills are selected randomly. I take their word for it. Most players in this game have multiple skill that they can max out at more than 6 balls so it is very possible that the 2 randomly selected skills can also max out at above 6 balls. It is my opinion that YTC helps you indentify keepers by selecting to train keeping on purpose when the youth will max out at 6 or better. I perfer to send a youth to TC and guess what the players position will be. I always try to train in speed and stamina and max that out first and then choose either ball control, tackling or shooting as the 3rd skill in the training package. Tackling is important for defenders and midfielders so i tend to choose that unless the player looks like a forward and then i go with ball control or shooting as the 3rd skillThe instruction manual to the game says that the YTC will choose 1 skill that the player can reach 6 balls or higher in. The other 1 skills are selected randomly. I take their word for it. Most players in this game have multiple skill that they can max out at more than 6 balls so it is very possible that the 2 randomly selected skills can also max out at above 6 balls. It is my opinion that YTC helps you indentify keepers by selecting to train keeping on purpose when the youth will max out at 6 or better. I perfer to send a youth to TC and guess what the players position will be. I always try to train in speed and stamina and max that out first and then choose either ball control, tackling or shooting as the 3rd skill in the training package. Tackling is important for defenders and midfielders so i tend to choose that unless the player looks like a forward and then i go with ball control or shooting as the 3rd skill

Re: Youth Keeper

By mantamx - 11-09-2011 17:59

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President

"The other skills are selected randomly. " hard to argue. there was a well debated thread on YTCs (check archives) where a well-founded theory stated that whether YTC picks a player as def (1st YTC skill = tackl), forward (1st YTC skill = shoot), midfielder (1st YTC skill = PI) or keeper (1st YTC skill=keep) is determined by the combined maxings of the skills the engine considers key for each of these positions (each has several, some a bit arguable). the top skill will also not max below 6. it is therefore possible for YTC-picked defender to max at say 6, but also be able to have say 7 in shoot or keeping, if other skills MZ thinks are key for the position add up better (cant remember the exact combinations for each position though)."The other skills are selected randomly. " hard to argue.
there was a well debated thread on YTCs (check archives) where a well-founded theory stated that whether YTC picks a player as def (1st YTC skill = tackl), forward (1st YTC skill = shoot), midfielder (1st YTC skill = PI) or keeper (1st YTC skill=keep) is determined by the combined maxings of the skills the engine considers key for each of these positions (each has several, some a bit arguable). the top skill will also not max below 6.
it is therefore possible for YTC-picked defender to max at say 6, but also be able to have say 7 in shoot or keeping, if other skills MZ thinks are key for the position add up better (cant remember the exact combinations for each position though).

 

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