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Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By franella82 - 28-09-2022 21:03

[CBA-MZ]

In recent times I see with disappointment and sadness that the number of fake teams in Mz is increasing, and that the game support does not seem to have the right tools to deal with it. Hundreds of ghost clubs created through VPNs in exotic countries, raising money for seasons and then suddenly deciding to invest millions in a player (sometimes two million-dollar purchases from the same selling club), only to go back to their usual inactivity. For any experienced Mz player they are easily identifiable because: 1) they are not members of the club, 2) their activity on the market is limited to very short windows of time, 3) they do not use tactics, 4) they do not play friendly matches, 5) they have no crest design or owner's words, 6) they do not use complex descriptions in the language of the country they claim to be from, 7) they use only youth squads to reduce costs and raise more money, among other minor points. They are all indicators that they are just empty shells, only developed to cheat at some point. I suppose that this modality existed before, but never before have I noticed such a proliferation of apocryphal accounts as now. Considering that they do not bring any competitive or economic benefit to Mz either, I believe that the support should be empowered to close them without contemplation. Or at least check that there is only one real person behind that account playing (maybe a proof of identity as usually requested). I hope my opinion will not be considered in bad terms, I just want a fairer game for those of us who are part of this community.In recent times I see with disappointment and sadness that the number of fake teams in Mz is increasing, and that the game support does not seem to have the right tools to deal with it.

Hundreds of ghost clubs created through VPNs in exotic countries, raising money for seasons and then suddenly deciding to invest millions in a player (sometimes two million-dollar purchases from the same selling club), only to go back to their usual inactivity.

For any experienced Mz player they are easily identifiable because: 1) they are not members of the club, 2) their activity on the market is limited to very short windows of time, 3) they do not use tactics, 4) they do not play friendly matches, 5) they have no crest design or owner's words, 6) they do not use complex descriptions in the language of the country they claim to be from, 7) they use only youth squads to reduce costs and raise more money, among other minor points.

They are all indicators that they are just empty shells, only developed to cheat at some point. I suppose that this modality existed before, but never before have I noticed such a proliferation of apocryphal accounts as now. Considering that they do not bring any competitive or economic benefit to Mz either, I believe that the support should be empowered to close them without contemplation. Or at least check that there is only one real person behind that account playing (maybe a proof of identity as usually requested).

I hope my opinion will not be considered in bad terms, I just want a fairer game for those of us who are part of this community.

 

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Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By chucky06 - 30-09-2022 03:38

[AUSNZ]
President

Yeh I agree, it's been a sore point for many years now not seasons. Better sign up information initally needs to be captured to reflect actual real users and block multiple teams. Even a phone number for registration of team to "verify" is a small extra barrier. Would at least mean a user cheating would have to have multiple phone services.Yeh I agree, it's been a sore point for many years now not seasons. Better sign up information initally needs to be captured to reflect actual real users and block multiple teams.

Even a phone number for registration of team to "verify" is a small extra barrier. Would at least mean a user cheating would have to have multiple phone services.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By mazides - 30-09-2022 19:21

[PAO]
President

I have suggested in the past that the transfer section should have a REPORT button for users to report suspicious transfer activity. Also completed transfers should be available with the same functionality. Nothing has been done though and it takes a difficult to follow process in order to report cheaters which is discouraging for users. It seems like the admins are happy to have more users in the game even if they are coming from the same people.I have suggested in the past that the transfer section should have a REPORT button for users to report suspicious transfer activity. Also completed transfers should be available with the same functionality. Nothing has been done though and it takes a difficult to follow process in order to report cheaters which is discouraging for users. It seems like the admins are happy to have more users in the game even if they are coming from the same people.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By frankzappa - 30-09-2022 20:49

[KERNOW]
President

Ask Steve Packer (superdad123 - https://www.managerzone.com/?p=profile&uid=3250252) about Ludlow. Bloke wrote the book on Multi User scams. Admins knew. Didn't care. Done nothing. Sucks, eh?Ask Steve Packer (superdad123 - https://www.managerzone.com/?p=profile&uid=3250252) about Ludlow. Bloke wrote the book on Multi User scams.
Admins knew. Didn't care. Done nothing. Sucks, eh?

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 30-09-2022 23:12

[FLUSA]
President

+1

chucky06 wrote:

Yeh I agree, it's been a sore point for many years now not seasons

+1

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By lebaby - 04-10-2022 19:48

I think it's perfectly normal for new teams to login, wait 3 weeks, sell their unmaxed players for €1, not play any friendlies and decide the game isn't for them.I think it's perfectly normal for new teams to login, wait 3 weeks, sell their unmaxed players for €1, not play any friendlies and decide the game isn't for them.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By alexandraha - 05-10-2022 20:01

[ENG]

You mean by hiding the unmaxed stats? I don’t see why the stats are allowed to be hidden anyway . It just provides an opportunity to cheat this way . Stopping this is an easy solution . I get people will say selling a fully maxed player against other managers taking a gamble on hidden stats is part of the game

lebaby wrote:

I think it's perfectly normal for new teams to login, wait 3 weeks, sell their unmaxed players for €1, not play any friendlies and decide the game isn't for them.

You mean by hiding the unmaxed stats? I don’t see why the stats are allowed to be hidden anyway . It just provides an opportunity to cheat this way . Stopping this is an easy solution . I get people will say selling a fully maxed player against other managers taking a gamble on hidden stats is part of the game

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 06-10-2022 02:38

[FLUSA]
President

You can't hide the stats on players of new accounts, sometimes you see new accounts flooding the market with players and that's specially noticeable on Countries with a small market. When you couldn't share the maxings & not having scout reports was more fun though... there is no element of risk or surprise, no expectation for the training report now, but that's another discussion.....

alexandraha wrote:

You mean by hiding the unmaxed stats? I don’t see why the stats are allowed to be hidden anyway . It just provides an opportunity to cheat this way . Stopping this is an easy solution . I get people will say selling a fully maxed player against other managers taking a gamble on hidden stats is part of the game

You can't hide the stats on players of new accounts, sometimes you see new accounts flooding the market with players and that's specially noticeable on Countries with a small market.

When you couldn't share the maxings & not having scout reports was more fun though... there is no element of risk or surprise, no expectation for the training report now, but that's another discussion.....

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By chucky06 - 06-10-2022 03:03

[AUSNZ]
President

It'd killed the transfer market and really polarises player prices. They are worth millions or nothing and that gap in-between keeps getting larger and larger. Like you said, that's a whole different issue though.

darkline wrote:

You can't hide the stats on players of new accounts, sometimes you see new accounts flooding the market with players and that's specially noticeable on Countries with a small market.

When you couldn't share the maxings & not having scout reports was more fun though... there is no element of risk or surprise, no expectation for the training report now, but that's another discussion.....

It'd killed the transfer market and really polarises player prices. They are worth millions or nothing and that gap in-between keeps getting larger and larger. Like you said, that's a whole different issue though.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By pibasog - 11-10-2022 04:46

[CaB]
President

+1

franella82 wrote:

In recent times I see with disappointment and sadness that the number of fake teams in Mz is increasing, and that the game support does not seem to have the right tools to deal with it.

Hundreds of ghost clubs created through VPNs in exotic countries, raising money for seasons and then suddenly deciding to invest millions in a player (sometimes two million-dollar purchases from the same selling club), only to go back to their usual inactivity.

For any experienced Mz player they are easily identifiable because: 1) they are not members of the club, 2) their activity on the market is limited to very short windows of time, 3) they do not use tactics, 4) they do not play friendly matches, 5) they have no crest design or owner's words, 6) they do not use complex descriptions in the language of the country they claim to be from, 7) they use only youth squads to reduce costs and raise more money, among other minor points.

They are all indicators that they are just empty shells, only developed to cheat at some point. I suppose that this modality existed before, but never before have I noticed such a proliferation of apocryphal accounts as now. Considering that they do not bring any competitive or economic benefit to Mz either, I believe that the support should be empowered to close them without contemplation. Or at least check that there is only one real person behind that account playing (maybe a proof of identity as usually requested).

I hope my opinion will not be considered in bad terms, I just want a fairer game for those of us who are part of this community.

+1

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By haofeng1qaz - 11-10-2022 08:25

[AC米兰联盟]

+1+1

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By sweem (NCA) - 11-10-2022 11:11

I have done my part now and went though almost all countries on MZ World map, found a bunch of accounts with similar patterns and created a ticket for MZ Support, basically doing 90% of the work for them. Now all they need to do is to suspend them - for the integrity of the game. Now "unfortunately", these accounts were actually club members - however with all the evidence pointing at the same user creating the accounts, all in the minor countries - I hope that MZ Support still makes the right decision and not show any mercy just because they're club members. Cheating is cheating, end of story.I have done my part now and went though almost all countries on MZ World map, found a bunch of accounts with similar patterns and created a ticket for MZ Support, basically doing 90% of the work for them. Now all they need to do is to suspend them - for the integrity of the game.

Now "unfortunately", these accounts were actually club members - however with all the evidence pointing at the same user creating the accounts, all in the minor countries - I hope that MZ Support still makes the right decision and not show any mercy just because they're club members. Cheating is cheating, end of story.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 14-10-2022 17:53

[FLUSA]
President

Ok as someone might notice I'm not an MA any longer, people doesn't know this but all assistants are forced to accept something called CoC that basically says that if you're an assistant, you can't criticize the game, you can't criticize crew, you can't say anything that might be interpreted as criticizing.... luckily, that doesn't apply to me any longer so I can speak my mind freely on a lot of different subjects. So lets address first why I'm not an MA any more, that's easy, I've been the most experienced and active MA for since 2008, about 3 years ago certain Italian member from crew decided that I was doing my job too well, GAs were too active stopping cheaters and MUs and I was proposing too many things that might actually stop cheating, so in his wisdom he decided to put me out of the way because "I don't share the view of crew" which means, I was determined to stop cheaters which obviously is not what crew wants, so they put me as RMA which means I had nothing to do with stopping cheaters. Since I left the investigations team in 2019 is clear things went out of control and cheating grew exponentionally but that's ok, it's in the main interest of crew to have more accounts and as someone from crew told me once, suspending paying users is like shooting yourself in the foot. Sorry to say you wasted your time, I don't know if the accounts you reported are actually cheating or not but that's not relevant, it doesn't matter, what it matters is that this accounts are club members so no one is going to move a finger, in most cases the GAs see the user is cheating and they want to act but they can't as recently crew limited the tools available, so the "suspend" button is disabled under most scenarios. ------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: my post is an inconvenient truth but doesn't break forum rule #4.3 as I accept the rules and I'm not discussing the rule, if someone feels the need to edit my any of my posts please quote the rule I'm breaking as I know them very well.Ok as someone might notice I'm not an MA any longer, people doesn't know this but all assistants are forced to accept something called CoC that basically says that if you're an assistant, you can't criticize the game, you can't criticize crew, you can't say anything that might be interpreted as criticizing.... luckily, that doesn't apply to me any longer so I can speak my mind freely on a lot of different subjects.

So lets address first why I'm not an MA any more, that's easy, I've been the most experienced and active MA for since 2008, about 3 years ago certain Italian member from crew decided that I was doing my job too well, GAs were too active stopping cheaters and MUs and I was proposing too many things that might actually stop cheating, so in his wisdom he decided to put me out of the way because "I don't share the view of crew" which means, I was determined to stop cheaters which obviously is not what crew wants, so they put me as RMA which means I had nothing to do with stopping cheaters.

Since I left the investigations team in 2019 is clear things went out of control and cheating grew exponentionally but that's ok, it's in the main interest of crew to have more accounts and as someone from crew told me once, suspending paying users is like shooting yourself in the foot.

sweem wrote:

I have done my part now and went though almost all countries on MZ World map, found a bunch of accounts with similar patterns and created a ticket for MZ Support, basically doing 90% of the work for them. Now all they need to do is to suspend them - for the integrity of the game.

Now "unfortunately", these accounts were actually club members - however with all the evidence pointing at the same user creating the accounts, all in the minor countries - I hope that MZ Support still makes the right decision and not show any mercy just because they're club members. Cheating is cheating, end of story.

Sorry to say you wasted your time, I don't know if the accounts you reported are actually cheating or not but that's not relevant, it doesn't matter, what it matters is that this accounts are club members so no one is going to move a finger, in most cases the GAs see the user is cheating and they want to act but they can't as recently crew limited the tools available, so the "suspend" button is disabled under most scenarios.

------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: my post is an inconvenient truth but doesn't break forum rule #4.3 as I accept the rules and I'm not discussing the rule, if someone feels the need to edit my any of my posts please quote the rule I'm breaking as I know them very well.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By chucky06 - 15-10-2022 03:59

[AUSNZ]
President

It is outrageous at any level to actively allow cheating and especially because they bring money into the game. This is not only being completely dishonest with its users and loyal playing base it's a broken business model with no integrity. Nearly every successful company has one underlying value- integrity. I think you understand the power of the people. People can make a game and potentially break it. In a digital age and with the power of social media it's running a very dangerous gameIt is outrageous at any level to actively allow cheating and especially because they bring money into the game. This is not only being completely dishonest with its users and loyal playing base it's a broken business model with no integrity.

Nearly every successful company has one underlying value- integrity. I think you understand the power of the people. People can make a game and potentially break it. In a digital age and with the power of social media it's running a very dangerous game

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By k33n3y - 15-10-2022 10:20

This game is doomed. The honest people who want go play are stepping away. I am going to have to leave this game for my own sanity. That's aside from the awful sim in its current state and them not even attempting to revamp the game.This game is doomed. The honest people who want go play are stepping away. I am going to have to leave this game for my own sanity. That's aside from the awful sim in its current state and them not even attempting to revamp the game.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By k33n3y - 15-10-2022 10:21

Who actually owns the game. Do they read the forums at all? What's their attitude of the games current state?Who actually owns the game. Do they read the forums at all? What's their attitude of the games current state?

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 15-10-2022 11:15

[FLUSA]
President

[color=red][i]Edited due to break of forum rule 2.5. "Comments on responsibilities, bans and suspensions Comments on an Assistant or Crew abilities or decisions are not welcome in the community (including Federations, Forums, Message Boards, or Guestbooks etc.). Such comments are not to be made within the ManagerZone community but should be discussed with the person in question, the support or MA."[/i][/color]Edited due to break of forum rule 2.5. "Comments on responsibilities, bans and suspensions Comments on an Assistant or Crew abilities or decisions are not welcome in the community (including Federations, Forums, Message Boards, or Guestbooks etc.). Such comments are not to be made within the ManagerZone community but should be discussed with the person in question, the support or MA."

Edited: 15-10-2022 13:21
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Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 15-10-2022 11:29

[FLUSA]
President

Honestly what I hope is to wake up crew and bring some change, maybe they might even post on this thread or any other? Doubt that, their policy lately is to ignore any conflictive post, bury their heads in the sand and pretend that will solve any problems.Honestly what I hope is to wake up crew and bring some change, maybe they might even post on this thread or any other? Doubt that, their policy lately is to ignore any conflictive post, bury their heads in the sand and pretend that will solve any problems.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 15-10-2022 17:51

[FLUSA]
President

[b]This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, business, events and incidents are the products of the author’s imagination. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.[/b] There was a magical time in a game that we will call Fairy Soccer, once upon a time in Fancy Football I was a volunteer as what's called a "[b]M[/b]aster [b]A[/b]ssistant", people doesn't know this but in Fancy Football all assistants are forced to accept something called "The Big Magical Book of Rules" that basically says that if you're an assistant on that game, you can't criticize the game, you can't criticize Mr. Ravioli Magoo (the owner of the game), you can't say anything that might be interpreted as criticizing.... So you might wonder why I'm not an assistant on Fancy Football anymore, that's easy, I've been the most experienced and active Master Assistant in Fancy Football since their humble origins, about 3 years ago Mr Ravioli Magoo decided that I was doing my job too well, my minions were too active stopping people that break the rules and I was proposing too many things that might actually stop this "bad users", so in his wisdom he decided to put me out of the way because "I don't share the view of "Fairy Tales LTD" (the owners of Fancy Football) which means, I was determined to stop rule breakers which obviously is not what Mr Magoo wants, so Mr. Magoo put me on a desk next to the toilet to fill out excel forms about how people that only writes good things about Fancy Football on a magazine they like to call "The Zong" Since I left the investigations team in 2019 is clear things went out of control and "bad users" grew exponentionally but that's ok, it's in the main interest of Mr. Magoo to have more accounts and as someone from Fairy Tales LTD told me once, suspending paying users is like shooting yourself in the foot. Disclaimer: Just to be clear once again, [b]This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, business, events and incidents are the products of the author’s imagination. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.[/b]This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, business, events and incidents are the products of the author’s imagination. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.

There was a magical time in a game that we will call Fairy Soccer, once upon a time in Fancy Football I was a volunteer as what's called a "Master Assistant", people doesn't know this but in Fancy Football all assistants are forced to accept something called "The Big Magical Book of Rules" that basically says that if you're an assistant on that game, you can't criticize the game, you can't criticize Mr. Ravioli Magoo (the owner of the game), you can't say anything that might be interpreted as criticizing....

So you might wonder why I'm not an assistant on Fancy Football anymore, that's easy, I've been the most experienced and active Master Assistant in Fancy Football since their humble origins, about 3 years ago Mr Ravioli Magoo decided that I was doing my job too well, my minions were too active stopping people that break the rules and I was proposing too many things that might actually stop this "bad users", so in his wisdom he decided to put me out of the way because "I don't share the view of "Fairy Tales LTD" (the owners of Fancy Football) which means, I was determined to stop rule breakers which obviously is not what Mr Magoo wants, so Mr. Magoo put me on a desk next to the toilet to fill out excel forms about how people that only writes good things about Fancy Football on a magazine they like to call "The Zong"

Since I left the investigations team in 2019 is clear things went out of control and "bad users" grew exponentionally but that's ok, it's in the main interest of Mr. Magoo to have more accounts and as someone from Fairy Tales LTD told me once, suspending paying users is like shooting yourself in the foot.

Disclaimer: Just to be clear once again, This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, business, events and incidents are the products of the author’s imagination. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 15-10-2022 18:04

[FLUSA]
President

Also this was also edited, not going to question why as it's against the rules but hopefully I'll be allowed to say I'm going to leave the game but likely keep lurking on the forums in case things improve? I'm going to stop playing as it's not worth it for me, probably selling all my players later today, the game is ruined for reasons that now I can't comment because they might break the rules.....I guess? Not sure? On the other hand, training is ruined by the HP/LP , the SIM is from 2010, that means is 12 years old... would you pay over a $100 USD a year to play FIFA 2010 or any sport game that old? Is not the SIM is good or bad, is old and after 12 years everyone knows everything there is to know about it, what can you discover that someone else has not in 12 years? Seriously... we need a different SIM, something to explore and try but crew has no interest so too bad too sad, as long as there is people still willing to pay....... [b]not sure if I can say the rest?[/b] There is very little you can safely say apparently so I'm not sure but just fill the blanks with your imagination.Also this was also edited, not going to question why as it's against the rules but hopefully I'll be allowed to say I'm going to leave the game but likely keep lurking on the forums in case things improve?

I'm going to stop playing as it's not worth it for me, probably selling all my players later today, the game is ruined for reasons that now I can't comment because they might break the rules.....I guess? Not sure?

On the other hand, training is ruined by the HP/LP , the SIM is from 2010, that means is 12 years old... would you pay over a $100 USD a year to play FIFA 2010 or any sport game that old? Is not the SIM is good or bad, is old and after 12 years everyone knows everything there is to know about it, what can you discover that someone else has not in 12 years? Seriously... we need a different SIM, something to explore and try but crew has no interest so too bad too sad, as long as there is people still willing to pay....... not sure if I can say the rest? There is very little you can safely say apparently so I'm not sure but just fill the blanks with your imagination.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By sweem (NCA) - 15-10-2022 18:55

MZ operated by Power Challenge AB who in turn, is owned by the company Stillfront Group (who is on the stock exchange market), and apparently wanted roughly 300-500k USD to sell ManagerZone according to a Swedish forum thread from 2019: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12462391&forum_id=1&sport=soccer&share_sport=soccer In other words, MZ is just a product among many in their portfolio, with the end goal being profits (since they are on the stock exchange). Obviously there are then a high probability of: increased prices and more tolerance towards paying members, meaning punishing cheaters is not priority as long as they pay. There are no initiatives of a new SIM or something game-changing because why put effort into a pretty dormant/stagnant product? The return on initiatives would likely not be impactful enough to warrant the effort. The future.. I think they need new owners who sees the potential in the game. Just personal opinion which I believe is also shared among manyMZ operated by Power Challenge AB who in turn, is owned by the company Stillfront Group (who is on the stock exchange market), and apparently wanted roughly 300-500k USD to sell ManagerZone according to a Swedish forum thread from 2019: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12462391&forum_id=1&sport=soccer&share_sport=soccer

In other words, MZ is just a product among many in their portfolio, with the end goal being profits (since they are on the stock exchange). Obviously there are then a high probability of: increased prices and more tolerance towards paying members, meaning punishing cheaters is not priority as long as they pay.

There are no initiatives of a new SIM or something game-changing because why put effort into a pretty dormant/stagnant product? The return on initiatives would likely not be impactful enough to warrant the effort. The future.. I think they need new owners who sees the potential in the game. Just personal opinion which I believe is also shared among many

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 15-10-2022 19:47

[FLUSA]
President

It is passive income for them, an asset they own that brings them money with almost no work or effort, like a once popular youtube channel that is not posting new videos, still brings money for the owner even if he doesn't lift a finger. Wonder how much they want if they were to sell, a gofund campaign could be setup if the price is reachable and if the game is managed by people that actually play and love this game, then there is a chance that it could be turned around... possibly a pipe dream but hey, who knows?

sweem wrote:

There are no initiatives of a new SIM or something game-changing because why put effort into a pretty dormant/stagnant product? The return on initiatives would likely not be impactful enough to warrant the effort. The future.. I think they need new owners who sees the potential in the game. Just personal opinion which I believe is also shared among many

It is passive income for them, an asset they own that brings them money with almost no work or effort, like a once popular youtube channel that is not posting new videos, still brings money for the owner even if he doesn't lift a finger.

Wonder how much they want if they were to sell, a gofund campaign could be setup if the price is reachable and if the game is managed by people that actually play and love this game, then there is a chance that it could be turned around... possibly a pipe dream but hey, who knows?

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By sweem (NCA) - 16-10-2022 12:59

Well two-three years ago a Swedish user wrote to the CEO of the Stillfront Group asking for a price, and it was apparently in the range of 300-500k usd to discuss. Not sure what that evaluation is today. However, that's a pretty crazy gofund effort :) According to Similarweb, some figures: Managerzone visits per month: July: 2.3M August: 1.8M September: 1.5M Most growing market in this period? Peru. Declines in Argentina, Brazil, Sweden, Poland etc. The other manager game competitor (HT) is approx 4 times bigger number wise. I would say MZ can get there with just the attention it needs, by someone passionate and of course a budget, but not necessarily a crazy massive one.

darkline wrote:

It is passive income for them, an asset they own that brings them money with almost no work or effort, like a once popular youtube channel that is not posting new videos, still brings money for the owner even if he doesn't lift a finger.

Wonder how much they want if they were to sell, a gofund campaign could be setup if the price is reachable and if the game is managed by people that actually play and love this game, then there is a chance that it could be turned around... possibly a pipe dream but hey, who knows?

Well two-three years ago a Swedish user wrote to the CEO of the Stillfront Group asking for a price, and it was apparently in the range of 300-500k usd to discuss. Not sure what that evaluation is today. However, that's a pretty crazy gofund effort :)

According to Similarweb, some figures:

Managerzone visits per month:
July: 2.3M
August: 1.8M
September: 1.5M

Most growing market in this period? Peru. Declines in Argentina, Brazil, Sweden, Poland etc. The other manager game competitor (HT) is approx 4 times bigger number wise. I would say MZ can get there with just the attention it needs, by someone passionate and of course a budget, but not necessarily a crazy massive one.

Ri: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By hogweed (Crew) - 16-10-2022 20:27

[Crew]

Crew doesn't usually participate in this kind of threads because part of the things that are being discussed are strategical and somehow confidential. This time I'll try to clarify our point of view below. Please do not expect to start a convo on this topic for the reasons I explained and take this one as an explanatory post. People want fairness and our commitment is to assure to our users the highest possible level of fairness achievable with the avaible tools and the existing constrains. In this process we have a lot of volunteers helping us out. They do a terrific job spending hours and hours in MZ and we are very grateful for this. Now let's start from the concept of fairness. What are your expectations of a fair game when you type your username and your log in MZ? A fair market indeed where the other users are not taking unfair advantage by creating more than one account. But you also expect not to be unfairly punished or suspend for something you didn't do, with poor evidences by trigger-happy sherifs. You also expect an environment consistent with the existing laws related to data protection so you don't accept to share more personal information than what is strictly allowed. I won't go in details but I have to stress one thing: in an internet environment the only way to be sure about who really stands in front of the monitor is to have drones out of every window. I admit we don't have such drones :) All joking aside the topic is very complex and involves a lot of issues: technical, related to the law, ethical, commercial etc. We are not ignoring this topic but instead we are struggling to improve every day following the path that for us is the fairest possible. Other games much bigger than us have even worst problems for this issue. This means that, after all, our rules are not so terrible and out assistants are doing well. There is always room for improving things. We know this and we are constantly working on it.Crew doesn't usually participate in this kind of threads because part of the things that are being discussed are strategical and somehow confidential.
This time I'll try to clarify our point of view below. Please do not expect to start a convo on this topic for the reasons I explained and take this one as an explanatory post.

People want fairness and our commitment is to assure to our users the highest possible level of fairness achievable with the avaible tools and the existing constrains.
In this process we have a lot of volunteers helping us out. They do a terrific job spending hours and hours in MZ and we are very grateful for this.

Now let's start from the concept of fairness. What are your expectations of a fair game when you type your username and your log in MZ? A fair market indeed where the other users are not taking unfair advantage by creating more than one account. But you also expect not to be unfairly punished or suspend for something you didn't do, with poor evidences by trigger-happy sherifs. You also expect an environment consistent with the existing laws related to data protection so you don't accept to share more personal information than what is strictly allowed.

I won't go in details but I have to stress one thing: in an internet environment the only way to be sure about who really stands in front of the monitor is to have drones out of every window. I admit we don't have such drones :)

All joking aside the topic is very complex and involves a lot of issues: technical, related to the law, ethical, commercial etc. We are not ignoring this topic but instead we are struggling to improve every day following the path that for us is the fairest possible.

Other games much bigger than us have even worst problems for this issue. This means that, after all, our rules are not so terrible and out assistants are doing well.

There is always room for improving things. We know this and we are constantly working on it.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 17-10-2022 12:26

[FLUSA]
President

Well I tried to reply but I can't as my post got deleted... so not much I can't say other that what you're saying is not correct and the reason is the system in place for detecting cheatings involves reading from a script and very little human decision, this allows innocent users to get suspended quite easily and massive cheaters have very little to fear. One piece of advice for the regular non cheating user, can't give the reason why but if you don't want to get in trouble, [b]DO NOT USE YOUR PHONE TO LOGIN INTO MZ[/b], if you want to use your phone just connect to WiFi. Also, if there is more than one person with a managerzone account in your house, rules allow you to buy players from each other.... but [b]DON'T DO IT[/b], very high chance you might get in trouble even if you're not breaking the rules, to be honest the rules should forbid it so users don't make this mistake.Well I tried to reply but I can't as my post got deleted... so not much I can't say other that what you're saying is not correct and the reason is the system in place for detecting cheatings involves reading from a script and very little human decision, this allows innocent users to get suspended quite easily and massive cheaters have very little to fear.

One piece of advice for the regular non cheating user, can't give the reason why but if you don't want to get in trouble, DO NOT USE YOUR PHONE TO LOGIN INTO MZ, if you want to use your phone just connect to WiFi. Also, if there is more than one person with a managerzone account in your house, rules allow you to buy players from each other.... but DON'T DO IT, very high chance you might get in trouble even if you're not breaking the rules, to be honest the rules should forbid it so users don't make this mistake.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By chucky06 - 18-10-2022 06:12

[AUSNZ]
President

I think the community expects a level of engagement from the crew and if you can't stop multiple accounts to an effect than make changes to reduce the impact and advantage. Open the transfer market compleely up. Unlimited foreign players for all counties. Show maxings on all players on the transfer market. Change how a NC is selected. Three simple measures straight away that decrease the advantage

hogweed wrote:

Crew doesn't usually participate in this kind of threads because part of the things that are being discussed are strategical and somehow confidential.
This time I'll try to clarify our point of view below. Please do not expect to start a convo on this topic for the reasons I explained and take this one as an explanatory post.

People want fairness and our commitment is to assure to our users the highest possible level of fairness achievable with the avaible tools and the existing constrains.
In this process we have a lot of volunteers helping us out. They do a terrific job spending hours and hours in MZ and we are very grateful for this.

Now let's start from the concept of fairness. What are your expectations of a fair game when you type your username and your log in MZ? A fair market indeed where the other users are not taking unfair advantage by creating more than one account. But you also expect not to be unfairly punished or suspend for something you didn't do, with poor evidences by trigger-happy sherifs. You also expect an environment consistent with the existing laws related to data protection so you don't accept to share more personal information than what is strictly allowed.

I won't go in details but I have to stress one thing: in an internet environment the only way to be sure about who really stands in front of the monitor is to have drones out of every window. I admit we don't have such drones :)

All joking aside the topic is very complex and involves a lot of issues: technical, related to the law, ethical, commercial etc. We are not ignoring this topic but instead we are struggling to improve every day following the path that for us is the fairest possible.

Other games much bigger than us have even worst problems for this issue. This means that, after all, our rules are not so terrible and out assistants are doing well.

There is always room for improving things. We know this and we are constantly working on it.

I think the community expects a level of engagement from the crew and if you can't stop multiple accounts to an effect than make changes to reduce the impact and advantage.

Open the transfer market compleely up. Unlimited foreign players for all counties. Show maxings on all players on the transfer market. Change how a NC is selected. Three simple measures straight away that decrease the advantage

Edited: 18-10-2022 06:12
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Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By rodrigoazul77 - 19-10-2022 09:22

[EsRoCH]

By itself, having more than one account does not violate fair play. people who make more than one account do so to take advantage. And it is not necessary to have drones to judge what it is to take advantage, but it is necessary to have clear rules and firm decisions. Dirty play can involve more than one user, reduce the discussion to whether there is a person or not, not only losing focus, it leads us to argue in a childish way. The bottom line is to create an effective sanctioning practice when judging cheating. because in effect, the thing is not if there are one or two users behind a trap, but what constitutes a trap and how to apply effective punishments to dissuade cheaters.By itself, having more than one account does not violate fair play. people who make more than one account do so to take advantage. And it is not necessary to have drones to judge what it is to take advantage, but it is necessary to have clear rules and firm decisions. Dirty play can involve more than one user, reduce the discussion to whether there is a person or not, not only losing focus, it leads us to argue in a childish way. The bottom line is to create an effective sanctioning practice when judging cheating. because in effect, the thing is not if there are one or two users behind a trap, but what constitutes a trap and how to apply effective punishments to dissuade cheaters.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By che_paris (GA) (NCA) - 19-10-2022 10:30

[FVMZZ]
President

In my opinion any kind of multi account users go against fair play and should be punished. On Sunday at 21 we have a streamed live interview with Peter (Crew - thunderexpress) at the Radio MZnia Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/RadioMZNIA) and we will ask about some of your worries stated here. You are all welcome to join the discussions through the chat.In my opinion any kind of multi account users go against fair play and should be punished.

On Sunday at 21 we have a streamed live interview with Peter (Crew - thunderexpress) at the Radio MZnia Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/RadioMZNIA) and we will ask about some of your worries stated here. You are all welcome to join the discussions through the chat.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 19-10-2022 12:54

[FLUSA]
President

In all honesty there is no real way of knowing is someone is a multi account user or not until he starts using the accounts to cheat, is making sure of fining and suspending this accounts when they cheat that's important. More importantly, is not the guy in Division 4 that tries to cheat that's relevant, is cheating at the top level that should be investigated and eliminated and currently for reasons I'm unfortunately not free to tell without breaking forum rules, it just can't and won't happen without a major change in the internal rules and structure of support which I know for a fact crew is not willing to implement, as a matter of fact every new internal change goes in the opposite direction.

che_paris wrote:

In my opinion any kind of multi account users go against fair play and should be punished.

In all honesty there is no real way of knowing is someone is a multi account user or not until he starts using the accounts to cheat, is making sure of fining and suspending this accounts when they cheat that's important.

More importantly, is not the guy in Division 4 that tries to cheat that's relevant, is cheating at the top level that should be investigated and eliminated and currently for reasons I'm unfortunately not free to tell without breaking forum rules, it just can't and won't happen without a major change in the internal rules and structure of support which I know for a fact crew is not willing to implement, as a matter of fact every new internal change goes in the opposite direction.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 20-10-2022 18:35

[FLUSA]
President

Peter has good intentions but his efforts are missguided as he has been listening to the wrong advice from the wrong people for a long time, he needs to get more involved and participate with the community, give feedback and news to the users as Patrick used to do and also get more involved with the assistants and give them feedback when they post on the admin forums, he needs a more hands on approach to get a real feeling of what's really going on with the game. I believe he cares and he can bring new life into the game but at the moment it seems he's just going through the motions and he really needs to wake up. As for cheating, he obviously can't or won't give you any clear answers to any questions, you can expect something similar to what hogweed posted. One thing that needs improvement is the response time and quality of the responses of spanish support because both are dreadful. Things I'd personally like to know and maybe you'd like to ask are: 1) Are we going to get a new SIM any time soon? It's been more than 10 years since the last update. 2) Are some of the bugs from 10 years ago going to be finally fixed 3) Is the unfair cup system which gives a lot more income to the home team going to be sorted out? Maybe splitting income or more interesting by scheduling away/home games on playoffs? 4) Can we get rid of the golden goal rule? It's been in desuse in football since at least 2004, so why it is still a thing in 2022 in MZ? 5) Can we get rid of deteriorations at 30 y/old? Nobody likes them and we don't need them! And I can probably think some more questions, but this will do for now.

che_paris wrote:

On Sunday at 21 we have a streamed live interview with Peter (Crew - thunderexpress) at the Radio MZnia Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/RadioMZNIA) and we will ask about some of your worries stated here. You are all welcome to join the discussions through the chat.

Peter has good intentions but his efforts are missguided as he has been listening to the wrong advice from the wrong people for a long time, he needs to get more involved and participate with the community, give feedback and news to the users as Patrick used to do and also get more involved with the assistants and give them feedback when they post on the admin forums, he needs a more hands on approach to get a real feeling of what's really going on with the game. I believe he cares and he can bring new life into the game but at the moment it seems he's just going through the motions and he really needs to wake up.

As for cheating, he obviously can't or won't give you any clear answers to any questions, you can expect something similar to what hogweed posted. One thing that needs improvement is the response time and quality of the responses of spanish support because both are dreadful.

Things I'd personally like to know and maybe you'd like to ask are:

1) Are we going to get a new SIM any time soon? It's been more than 10 years since the last update.

2) Are some of the bugs from 10 years ago going to be finally fixed

3) Is the unfair cup system which gives a lot more income to the home team going to be sorted out? Maybe splitting income or more interesting by scheduling away/home games on playoffs?

4) Can we get rid of the golden goal rule? It's been in desuse in football since at least 2004, so why it is still a thing in 2022 in MZ?

5) Can we get rid of deteriorations at 30 y/old? Nobody likes them and we don't need them!

And I can probably think some more questions, but this will do for now.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By chucky06 - 20-10-2022 23:27

[AUSNZ]
President

Why is managerzone not using its own platform to speak to the community rather than through external organised interviews with members? Interviews should be in the news, or transcribed in the forums. This approach again lacks transparency. [color=blue]/edited for typos Chucky06[/color]Why is managerzone not using its own platform to speak to the community rather than through external organised interviews with members?

Interviews should be in the news, or transcribed in the forums. This approach again lacks transparency.

/edited for typos
Chucky06

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Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By che_paris (GA) (NCA) - 21-10-2022 01:24

[FVMZZ]
President

We already have the interview questions selected but I can tell you they are not far from yours darkline. And we will transcribe it later to English and Spanish.We already have the interview questions selected but I can tell you they are not far from yours darkline.

And we will transcribe it later to English and Spanish.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 14-11-2022 12:14

[FLUSA]
President

I'm going to post here something that posted on a different thread.... here's the final argument that ended up with me being removed as GMA. So there is a user that was spamming the forums, because crew couldn't deal with it they decided to allow blackmail and basically the cheater was allowed to keep his team if he promised not to spam the forums anymore... So here's the message I sent about this to crew & some HMAs "Hey, You guys aware of the situation with y*****o that crew is now allowing him to keep a cheat account h*****a if he promises to stop spamming the forums? Could you guess how that will go down with the GA we have assigned to that case who's coincidentally our best & most active and motivated GA? Would you be surprised if he starts slacking or end up quitting? Remember that I've been insisting for years to use tools to detect VPNs and how many times I suggested we should close accounts created with VPNs that only login through VPN and how multiple times I suggested we should start closing this type of accounts and I'm being always branded as a pain in the ass, being miles apart from your ideas or "not understanding the vision of the company" for insisting on stuff like this? Well.... if anyone would have listened to me, y******o wouldn't have all this accounts around the world he now and he wouldn't be able to be in a position to blackmail the company into allowing him to do whatever he please....... and we still have f******h VPN accounts, we still have the Chinese robot accounts and some I might not know about, let's just cross our fingers and hope for the best which apparently is the prevailing tactic. Sorry for the rant but I'm really upset because if anyone would have listened to me, and you know I insisted & insisted and never quit insisting, the company wouldn't be in a situation in which a user can effectively blackmail the company into this. Regards, Adrian" -------------- Here's crew "Final Solution" to the problem.... apparently the problem is not the cheaters but the people trying to prevent this from happening.... "As you say the situation related to GAs is not satisfactory.I see that you do not agree with us. You have been disagreeing for ages. I can’t but think that having the most experienced GMA in our team and the oldest xA not 100% agreeing with us is no more tollerabile and is part of the problem. This said we will face this in pvt. But you must think about this and make a decision. If you really don’t like the current CoC because you think is too much complex and bureaucratic then we won’t have a future together. I have said this so many times but I won’t say it once again for the good of both. ----------- And this is how crew deals with MUs at the moment..... [img]https://narble.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/under-the-rug.jpg[/img] Very subtle I guess... surely no one will notice all the dirt hidding under the rug?I'm going to post here something that posted on a different thread.... here's the final argument that ended up with me being removed as GMA.

So there is a user that was spamming the forums, because crew couldn't deal with it they decided to allow blackmail and basically the cheater was allowed to keep his team if he promised not to spam the forums anymore...

So here's the message I sent about this to crew & some HMAs

"Hey,
You guys aware of the situation with
y*****o that crew is now allowing him to keep a cheat account h*****a
if he promises to stop spamming the forums? Could you guess how that
will go down with the GA we have assigned to that case who's
coincidentally our best & most active and motivated GA? Would you be
surprised if he starts slacking or end up quitting? Remember that I've
been insisting for years to use tools to detect VPNs and how many times I suggested we should close accounts created with VPNs that only login through VPN
and how multiple times I suggested we should start closing this type of
accounts and I'm being always branded as a pain in the ass, being miles
apart from your ideas or "not understanding the vision of the company"
for insisting on stuff like this? Well.... if anyone would have listened
to me, y******o wouldn't have all this accounts around the world he
now and he wouldn't be able to be in a position to blackmail the company
into allowing him to do whatever he please....... and we still have
f******h VPN accounts, we still have the Chinese
robot accounts and some I might not know about, let's just cross our
fingers and hope for the best which apparently is the prevailing tactic.

Sorry for the rant but I'm really upset because if anyone would have listened
to me, and you know I insisted & insisted and never quit insisting,
the company wouldn't be in a situation in which a user can effectively
blackmail the company into this.

Regards,
Adrian"

--------------

Here's crew "Final Solution" to the problem.... apparently the problem is not the cheaters but the people trying to prevent this from happening....

"As you say the situation related to GAs is not satisfactory.I see that you do not agree with us. You have been disagreeing for ages.
I can’t but think that having the most experienced GMA in our team and the oldest xA not 100% agreeing with us is no more tollerabile and is part of the problem.
This said we will face this in pvt.
But you must think about this and make a decision. If you really don’t like the current CoC because you think is too much complex and bureaucratic then we won’t have a future together. I have said this so many times but I won’t say it once again for the good of both.

-----------

And this is how crew deals with MUs at the moment.....



Very subtle I guess... surely no one will notice all the dirt hidding under the rug?

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By chucky06 - 15-11-2022 08:33

[AUSNZ]
President

Another dedicated assistant removed for speaking truth about the game and how it's managed. Very sad and tyrannical. Instead of crew taking accountability for the game and all of its flaws you are just silenced. Crazy huh.Another dedicated assistant removed for speaking truth about the game and how it's managed. Very sad and tyrannical.

Instead of crew taking accountability for the game and all of its flaws you are just silenced. Crazy huh.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 15-11-2022 11:29

[FLUSA]
President

Wow man! Sorry to hear that but that's the way they treat their assistants .... if you want your free tokens they expect you to do this [img]https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000116128121-prkz3r-t500x500.jpg[/img] I mean, they invented this rule that xA's (assistants) can't criticize the game or write anything negative, makes sense for them I suppose.... managers that are active on the game and forum end up being promoted to assistants, so basically you're silencing the people that is more likely to speak up when they have issues with the game, the SIM, cheating, etc... So all in all, no surprise the forums are so dead, on one hand assistants can only say that everything is great, all that crew does is amazing, the SIM is ultrarealistic and on the upcoming worldcup the tactic teams will start using in Qatar is having a guy run the whole field next to the sideline just so he can throw a center and head the ball in as most coaches in the world take inspiration on managerzone to plan their games.... So yes, as I was saying, forums are dead because the most active users can't say much since they're assistants... and you know what happens when you speak up.Wow man! Sorry to hear that but that's the way they treat their assistants .... if you want your free tokens they expect you to do this



I mean, they invented this rule that xA's (assistants) can't criticize the game or write anything negative, makes sense for them I suppose.... managers that are active on the game and forum end up being promoted to assistants, so basically you're silencing the people that is more likely to speak up when they have issues with the game, the SIM, cheating, etc...

So all in all, no surprise the forums are so dead, on one hand assistants can only say that everything is great, all that crew does is amazing, the SIM is ultrarealistic and on the upcoming worldcup the tactic teams will start using in Qatar is having a guy run the whole field next to the sideline just so he can throw a center and head the ball in as most coaches in the world take inspiration on managerzone to plan their games....

So yes, as I was saying, forums are dead because the most active users can't say much since they're assistants... and you know what happens when you speak up.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By darkline - 15-11-2022 11:35

[FLUSA]
President

Btw... there's a spanish youtube channel that put a lot of time and effort, they talk about tactics, interview managers, etc. etc..... that channel can't be promoted or mentioned in MZ because a user that was interviewed (not me btw) said some things that "the powers that be" decided are inconvenient.... so it's not only assistants that get this treatment, sometimes users that put a lot of effort and go out of their way to do something for MZ also get this treatmemt.... I'd link the banned channel and interview that they wanted them to take down (and they refused to comply) but it's in spanish & it's banned... despite that I'm pretty sure there is no rule that says you can ban youtube channels you don't like.Btw... there's a spanish youtube channel that put a lot of time and effort, they talk about tactics, interview managers, etc. etc..... that channel can't be promoted or mentioned in MZ because a user that was interviewed (not me btw) said some things that "the powers that be" decided are inconvenient.... so it's not only assistants that get this treatment, sometimes users that put a lot of effort and go out of their way to do something for MZ also get this treatmemt....

I'd link the banned channel and interview that they wanted them to take down (and they refused to comply) but it's in spanish & it's banned... despite that I'm pretty sure there is no rule that says you can ban youtube channels you don't like.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By damciocufo - 20-11-2022 01:06

WOW!! Crew just banned darkline for a month with no explanation, they just banned him to silence him! And they also changed his badge! They don't want anyone to know the truth about the game!WOW!! Crew just banned darkline for a month with no explanation, they just banned him to silence him! And they also changed his badge! They don't want anyone to know the truth about the game!

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By chucky06 - 20-11-2022 01:47

[AUSNZ]
President

I don't want tonsay anything that will get me too unfairly banned if this is true. What I will say is the game is broken and there is si many things that need fixing and that's also how the game is run. Take FIFA for example. It's user base complained, made memes posted all online about how crap the game had got and all the glitches. The creators then listened and responded making fixes and a better version of the game. This was for the player base as they recognise without users you don't have a game. You can't just press mute and block button on feedback.I don't want tonsay anything that will get me too unfairly banned if this is true.

What I will say is the game is broken and there is si many things that need fixing and that's also how the game is run.

Take FIFA for example. It's user base complained, made memes posted all online about how crap the game had got and all the glitches. The creators then listened and responded making fixes and a better version of the game. This was for the player base as they recognise without users you don't have a game. You can't just press mute and block button on feedback.

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By floodish - 22-11-2022 08:15

[BotP]

Why not eliminate the complete transfer market? you get rid of all multi users and you get rid of 80% plus of useless assistant staff in just a click I've propose this 10 years ago even some still think otherwise. Let the last one close the door...Why not eliminate the complete transfer market? you get rid of all multi users and you get rid of 80% plus of useless assistant staff in just a click I've propose this 10 years ago even some still think otherwise. Let the last one close the door...

Re: Mz needs to improve its policy against Multi Users

By chucky06 - 23-11-2022 04:42

[AUSNZ]
President

The transfer market is the biggest element of any football manager game that people like. We would know more information and be able to enhance user experience if crew did some engagement surveys or anything with the community. I think it would serve better from a game experience to remove the cheaters. But when the cheaters have multiple accounts set up in multiple countries all paying real money to buy tokens and support the game why would crew want to stop that hey floodish.The transfer market is the biggest element of any football manager game that people like. We would know more information and be able to enhance user experience if crew did some engagement surveys or anything with the community.

I think it would serve better from a game experience to remove the cheaters. But when the cheaters have multiple accounts set up in multiple countries all paying real money to buy tokens and support the game why would crew want to stop that hey floodish.

 

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