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Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By safctillidie - 18-09-2013 23:40

... if it's moved to the winter. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24122625 am I the only one who hopes it is moved to the winter, Australia sue and win in court? for too many years now our game has been ran by these has-beens and it is clearly corrupt to the core. I hope they take them to court and win, hopefully what is needed to bring down blatter and co........ if it's moved to the winter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24122625

am I the only one who hopes it is moved to the winter, Australia sue and win in court?

for too many years now our game has been ran by these has-beens and it is clearly corrupt to the core. I hope they take them to court and win, hopefully what is needed to bring down blatter and co.....

 

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Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By tosspot - 19-09-2013 03:51

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It was very obviously bought so I hope that happens too.It was very obviously bought so I hope that happens too.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By navai - 19-09-2013 09:46

I mean no offence to any "qatarians" but what the hell do they know about football? there are literally hundreds of other nations it could have gone to, South Africa had a certain allure to it, being the first world cup in Africa, Brazil obviously the samba factor, what does Qatar add? like look at the premier league, how many "Qatar" players are in it? or have ever played in it? and I'm sure its the same for every top league around the globe, yet for some reason, a country that has little or no ties to football gets to host the grandest football tournament of them all? B.SI mean no offence to any "qatarians" but what the hell do they know about football? there are literally hundreds of other nations it could have gone to, South Africa had a certain allure to it, being the first world cup in Africa, Brazil obviously the samba factor, what does Qatar add? like look at the premier league, how many "Qatar" players are in it? or have ever played in it? and I'm sure its the same for every top league around the globe, yet for some reason, a country that has little or no ties to football gets to host the grandest football tournament of them all? B.S

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By bestplaymaker2134 - 19-09-2013 10:23

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I dont see the problem. Whats wrong with moving it to winter?I dont see the problem. Whats wrong with moving it to winter?

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By darkline - 19-09-2013 12:07

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@navai The idea of having a non-traditional Country as a host, is to promote the sport in the Region, like they did with South Africa, Japan & USA.... I'm not saying that I like it, but that's the reason they do it. As for Australia trying to sue FIFA is just stupid, I mean... everytime there are Countries bidding to organize a World Cup or the Olympics, the bidders invest money and if you lose, well too bad too sad, but don't expect FIFA or the Olympic comitee to reimburse you for the money you expent. If they move the Word Cup to Winter, and I hope they do as I can't imagine anyone playing good football under 50C degrees, it doesn't affect Australia or any other of the Countries that tried to organize the WC and lost their bids..... the only ones that can object IMO is the organizers, and that's Qatar. What we could argue is how Qatar got to organize the WC, I suspect there was something fishy there... but that's a whole different argument.@navai

The idea of having a non-traditional Country as a host, is to promote the sport in the Region, like they did with South Africa, Japan & USA.... I'm not saying that I like it, but that's the reason they do it.

As for Australia trying to sue FIFA is just stupid, I mean... everytime there are Countries bidding to organize a World Cup or the Olympics, the bidders invest money and if you lose, well too bad too sad, but don't expect FIFA or the Olympic comitee to reimburse you for the money you expent.

If they move the Word Cup to Winter, and I hope they do as I can't imagine anyone playing good football under 50C degrees, it doesn't affect Australia or any other of the Countries that tried to organize the WC and lost their bids..... the only ones that can object IMO is the organizers, and that's Qatar.

What we could argue is how Qatar got to organize the WC, I suspect there was something fishy there... but that's a whole different argument.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By tosspot - 19-09-2013 12:59

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By FIFA's own rules, the tournament had to be held in June/July. Everyone knows Qatar's heat is 30-50c during those months, which makes their bid a lot less attractive. They only won because votes were bought and now FIFA realise they can't actually host an event in such a place so are changing the rules. I think all other bidding countries should be compensated as they were never in it despite being led to believe they were.By FIFA's own rules, the tournament had to be held in June/July. Everyone knows Qatar's heat is 30-50c during those months, which makes their bid a lot less attractive.

They only won because votes were bought and now FIFA realise they can't actually host an event in such a place so are changing the rules.

I think all other bidding countries should be compensated as they were never in it despite being led to believe they were.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By mooh - 19-09-2013 14:09

I remember that Qatar is going to make the stadiums air conditioned, so the players won't play in the heat. Inaddition to that, the players will surely stay in airconditioned houses and transport in airconditioned buses. I don't see the need to do it in winter.I remember that Qatar is going to make the stadiums air conditioned, so the players won't play in the heat. Inaddition to that, the players will surely stay in airconditioned houses and transport in airconditioned buses. I don't see the need to do it in winter.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By odi17 - 19-09-2013 16:34

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Making a whole stadium air conditioned is a huge waste of resources. I think moving it to winter is a good idea.Making a whole stadium air conditioned is a huge waste of resources. I think moving it to winter is a good idea.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By madmonk - 20-09-2013 01:25

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It isn't actually the players that are the problem re playing in 40-50C heat given that I'd believe they could air condition the stadia, hotels, coaches (and presumably training pitches etc). However given the number of supporters who normally turn up for a World Cup (around 300K for South Africa), I don't see any realistic prospect of them practically air conditioning the whole country. Not good publicity when you have fans hospitalised/dying due to heatstroke. I can understand promoting football in a non-traditional country, but can't really see Qatar as the right venue on those grounds, since it has a total population of 2 million and to all intents & purposes is a one city state (with 90% of the population in Doha). Much of the political appeal seems to have been to let the Middle East host the World Cup as one of the few remaining regions yet to have hosted (yes, Australia and China are also obvious candidates on those grounds). And as with everyone else, I suspect that financial reasons (both legitimate and illegitimate) were the most relevant reason as to why Qatar won - note the recent story that some governments applied pressure to vote for Qatar for political/financial reasons on a national scale. Have a look at a list of 'Middle East' countries by population and tell me how many of them you see as viable World Cup hosts particularly in view of the Arab Spring? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Middle_East_countries_by_populationIt isn't actually the players that are the problem re playing in 40-50C heat given that I'd believe they could air condition the stadia, hotels, coaches (and presumably training pitches etc). However given the number of supporters who normally turn up for a World Cup (around 300K for South Africa), I don't see any realistic prospect of them practically air conditioning the whole country. Not good publicity when you have fans hospitalised/dying due to heatstroke.

I can understand promoting football in a non-traditional country, but can't really see Qatar as the right venue on those grounds, since it has a total population of 2 million and to all intents & purposes is a one city state (with 90% of the population in Doha). Much of the political appeal seems to have been to let the Middle East host the World Cup as one of the few remaining regions yet to have hosted (yes, Australia and China are also obvious candidates on those grounds).

And as with everyone else, I suspect that financial reasons (both legitimate and illegitimate) were the most relevant reason as to why Qatar won - note the recent story that some governments applied pressure to vote for Qatar for political/financial reasons on a national scale.

Have a look at a list of 'Middle East' countries by population and tell me how many of them you see as viable World Cup hosts particularly in view of the Arab Spring?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Middle_East_countries_by_population

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By matttombstone - 20-09-2013 19:08

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I say scrap it and just let North Korea host it, now that'll be interesting. "And Balotelli scores against North Korea! Here come some men in hoods, and they're dragging him away!"I say scrap it and just let North Korea host it, now that'll be interesting. "And Balotelli scores against North Korea! Here come some men in hoods, and they're dragging him away!"

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By darkline - 20-09-2013 19:29

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To be honest, I went to Sharm el Sheikh in Egypt in July for vacation and the average temperature was about 47/48 Celsius during the day... I was a bit worried about it at first and you need to make sure you drink plenty of water but since the weather is really dry it isn't as bad as it sounds, I lived in Florida for 10 years and played a lot of football, and I'll say having to play with 37/38 Celsius in Florida with all the humidity, is a lot worse than the 48 in Qatar... They played two World cups in Mexico and the northern part averages 40C during the summer, but it's a humid heat... should feel similar to the higher but dryer temperatures Qatar have IMO. I rather they changed the WC to winter though, just because I think it'll be better for the players and the spectators.To be honest, I went to Sharm el Sheikh in Egypt in July for vacation and the average temperature was about 47/48 Celsius during the day... I was a bit worried about it at first and you need to make sure you drink plenty of water but since the weather is really dry it isn't as bad as it sounds, I lived in Florida for 10 years and played a lot of football, and I'll say having to play with 37/38 Celsius in Florida with all the humidity, is a lot worse than the 48 in Qatar...

They played two World cups in Mexico and the northern part averages 40C during the summer, but it's a humid heat... should feel similar to the higher but dryer temperatures Qatar have IMO.

I rather they changed the WC to winter though, just because I think it'll be better for the players and the spectators.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By safctillidie - 21-09-2013 11:44

Quote By bestplaymaker2134 Thursday 09:23 I dont see the problem. Whats wrong with moving it to winter? basically, the Qatar vote won, on the basis of a summer world cup. they would have never been in the running if it was put on the table that it would be hosted in the winter. therefore the bids to host were a waste of time and since the goalposts had since been moved, they have a right to claim back their costs. this whole thing is to do with money, its a complete joke. player and fans safety should be first, we done want another marc viven foeQuote


By bestplaymaker2134 Thursday 09:23

I dont see the problem. Whats wrong with moving it to winter?




basically, the Qatar vote won, on the basis of a summer world cup. they would have never been in the running if it was put on the table that it would be hosted in the winter. therefore the bids to host were a waste of time and since the goalposts had since been moved, they have a right to claim back their costs.

this whole thing is to do with money, its a complete joke. player and fans safety should be first, we done want another marc viven foe

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By darkline - 21-09-2013 14:32

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marc viven foe died due to heart failure, nothing related to the heat...

safctillidie wrote:

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By bestplaymaker2134 Thursday 09:23

I dont see the problem. Whats wrong with moving it to winter?




basically, the Qatar vote won, on the basis of a summer world cup. they would have never been in the running if it was put on the table that it would be hosted in the winter. therefore the bids to host were a waste of time and since the goalposts had since been moved, they have a right to claim back their costs.

this whole thing is to do with money, its a complete joke. player and fans safety should be first, we done want another marc viven foe

marc viven foe died due to heart failure, nothing related to the heat...

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By welshkamikaze - 23-09-2013 18:22

When the bidding was done, it was all based on the fact that the World Cup would take place in the summer. The fact that Qatar would possibly have to host it in the winter wasn't mentioned at that stage and that would surely have influenced the votes, so I believe Australia are fully justified in suing FIFA. I don't quite understand the logic of having the votes for 2 World Cups at the same time, it's obviously conducive to some kind of collusion (we'll vote for you, if you vote for us kind of stuff). This has been one massive screw up right from the start, so I wouldn't even want to guess at what FIFA will do next, but no doubt it won't be for the good of the game.When the bidding was done, it was all based on the fact that the World Cup would take place in the summer. The fact that Qatar would possibly have to host it in the winter wasn't mentioned at that stage and that would surely have influenced the votes, so I believe Australia are fully justified in suing FIFA. I don't quite understand the logic of having the votes for 2 World Cups at the same time, it's obviously conducive to some kind of collusion (we'll vote for you, if you vote for us kind of stuff). This has been one massive screw up right from the start, so I wouldn't even want to guess at what FIFA will do next, but no doubt it won't be for the good of the game.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By darkline - 23-09-2013 19:10

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I don't care much for Qatar, but the logic is pretty flawed because Qatar won [b]despite[/b] the fact that the cup was was going to be organized during the summer and everyone knows that Qatar is very hot in July..... I would have to guess that if a Winter Cup was a possibility to be considered at the time of voting, if would be an obstacle less for Qatar and they might have won by a larger margin.I don't care much for Qatar, but the logic is pretty flawed because Qatar won despite the fact that the cup was was going to be organized during the summer and everyone knows that Qatar is very hot in July..... I would have to guess that if a Winter Cup was a possibility to be considered at the time of voting, if would be an obstacle less for Qatar and they might have won by a larger margin.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By tosspot - 24-09-2013 05:36

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It was the other way around. It was pointed out that Qatar's bid was not very attractive at all because of the heat. They bought the win and are now accommodating it. If Qatar were of similar wealth to a regular country (ie not sitting on oil), I bet it wouldn't be hosted there.

darkline wrote:

I don't care much for Qatar, but the logic is pretty flawed because Qatar won despite the fact that the cup was was going to be organized during the summer and everyone knows that Qatar is very hot in July..... I would have to guess that if a Winter Cup was a possibility to be considered at the time of voting, if would be an obstacle less for Qatar and they might have won by a larger margin.

It was the other way around. It was pointed out that Qatar's bid was not very attractive at all because of the heat. They bought the win and are now accommodating it. If Qatar were of similar wealth to a regular country (ie not sitting on oil), I bet it wouldn't be hosted there.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By mrsheepie - 24-09-2013 23:14

Qatar won because of bribes that were made. Nothing else. The bidding was always made on the basis the WC is ALWAYS played in summer. Qatar's bid clearly based upon that sole criteria would fail, the problems identified now were visible during the bidding process. Given it takes millions just to prepare the bids, Australia et al have every right to persue legal recourse.

darkline wrote:

I don't care much for Qatar, but the logic is pretty flawed because Qatar won despite the fact that the cup was was going to be organized during the summer and everyone knows that Qatar is very hot in July..... I would have to guess that if a Winter Cup was a possibility to be considered at the time of voting, if would be an obstacle less for Qatar and they might have won by a larger margin.

Qatar won because of bribes that were made. Nothing else.

The bidding was always made on the basis the WC is ALWAYS played in summer. Qatar's bid clearly based upon that sole criteria would fail, the problems identified now were visible during the bidding process.

Given it takes millions just to prepare the bids, Australia et al have every right to persue legal recourse.

Re: Australia considers suing FIFA over Qatar 2022

By darkline - 25-09-2013 01:15

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So you guys are saying that if it was put on the table that Qatar might organize the World Cup during the winter, instead of during the summer, Qatar would have lost the bid to organize the World Cup? That argument doesn't hold too well I think..... If there where bribes and I don't doubt that Qatar bought the WC, then it's irrelevant if they do the WC over Winter or Summer, that's just a technicality and a reason for Australia to moan instead of going after the real reason why they're so pissed off, what needs to be proven is that Qatar won the bid to organize the WC because they bribed the voters... if that's proven then most likely the WC will be taken away from Qatar and I expect FIFA to ban the Country from their competitions for an extended period of time....So you guys are saying that if it was put on the table that Qatar might organize the World Cup during the winter, instead of during the summer, Qatar would have lost the bid to organize the World Cup? That argument doesn't hold too well I think.....

If there where bribes and I don't doubt that Qatar bought the WC, then it's irrelevant if they do the WC over Winter or Summer, that's just a technicality and a reason for Australia to moan instead of going after the real reason why they're so pissed off, what needs to be proven is that Qatar won the bid to organize the WC because they bribed the voters... if that's proven then most likely the WC will be taken away from Qatar and I expect FIFA to ban the Country from their competitions for an extended period of time....

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By safctillidie - 25-09-2013 16:30

By Champion Club Member darkline (MA) (NCA) (GPA) Today 00:15 So you guys are saying that if it was put on the table that Qatar might organize the World Cup during the winter, instead of during the summer, Qatar would have lost the bid to organize the World Cup? That argument doesn't hold too well I think..... yes it does. they wouldn't have got the votes from European representatives for a start. knng the league schedule would have to be moved, knowing it completely changes the world cup as we know it.... all to accommodate a rich country? nah I don't think they would have won to be honest, not even came closeBy Champion Club Member darkline (MA) (NCA) (GPA) Today 00:15

So you guys are saying that if it was put on the table that Qatar might organize the World Cup during the winter, instead of during the summer, Qatar would have lost the bid to organize the World Cup? That argument doesn't hold too well I think.....



yes it does. they wouldn't have got the votes from European representatives for a start. knng the league schedule would have to be moved, knowing it completely changes the world cup as we know it.... all to accommodate a rich country? nah I don't think they would have won to be honest, not even came close

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By darkline - 25-09-2013 17:41

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Mmmm... but the UEFA backs the switch of the cup to Winter, if it was that much of an inconvenience they would oppose it I think.... http://news.sky.com/story/1143957/qatar-world-cup-uefa-backs-switch-to-winter I think they would have won no matter what, It's all politics, we all know that, even Platini confirmed that "political and economic influences" were a factor. Qatar is saying that they can organize it over the summer and cool down the stadiums, they have the money to do it so I would guess they can pull that out if they need to... Another thing that comes to mind is that the local teams in Qatar play cup & league games in July and they don't cool down the stadiums for their games, so while playing with that heat is not ideal, it certainly can be done. Personally, I think that Qatar will end up not organizing the cup because of all the accusations of corruption, bribery, etc... I think that eventually this will blow up.Mmmm... but the UEFA backs the switch of the cup to Winter, if it was that much of an inconvenience they would oppose it I think....

http://news.sky.com/story/1143957/qatar-world-cup-uefa-backs-switch-to-winter

I think they would have won no matter what, It's all politics, we all know that, even Platini confirmed that "political and economic influences" were a factor. Qatar is saying that they can organize it over the summer and cool down the stadiums, they have the money to do it so I would guess they can pull that out if they need to...

Another thing that comes to mind is that the local teams in Qatar play cup & league games in July and they don't cool down the stadiums for their games, so while playing with that heat is not ideal, it certainly can be done.

Personally, I think that Qatar will end up not organizing the cup because of all the accusations of corruption, bribery, etc... I think that eventually this will blow up.

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By deleted_3696983 - 25-09-2013 19:13

I think though that the EPL does not agree. This is a huge mess in the waiting. I actually like the idea of a Worldcup in the winter, as the players will not be exhausted after a full season.I think though that the EPL does not agree. This is a huge mess in the waiting. I actually like the idea of a Worldcup in the winter, as the players will not be exhausted after a full season.

 

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