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Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 11-05-2013 23:18

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I have seen David Moyes and must say that he is an excellent manager, form his early years managing Preston all the way to developing Everton to a regular European fighting team who could twice be above Liverpool (their arch rivals) in the league, even though they spend considerably more. However, Man-utd are a high profile club all over the world and any manager would accept the post so do you think that any other Coach is more worthy that Moyes and is he the right man?I have seen David Moyes and must say that he is an excellent manager, form his early years managing Preston all the way to developing Everton to a regular European fighting team who could twice be above Liverpool (their arch rivals) in the league, even though they spend considerably more. However, Man-utd are a high profile club all over the world and any manager would accept the post so do you think that any other Coach is more worthy that Moyes and is he the right man?

 

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Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By frankzappa - 11-05-2013 23:23

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Rest assured, Fergie has passed on all his best tricks... [img]http://imagechunk.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded_images/f/e/fergie_moyes_watch.jpg[/img]Rest assured, Fergie has passed on all his best tricks...

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By tosspot - 12-05-2013 00:30

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The other managers with better records are best suited to clubs like Man City, Chelsea etc where success is bought. Moyes is a good choice for maintaining what Fergie has built.The other managers with better records are best suited to clubs like Man City, Chelsea etc where success is bought.

Moyes is a good choice for maintaining what Fergie has built.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 12-05-2013 01:25

tosspot, you must be another delusional united fan, United hasnt built crap, They dont develop youths, City will have the best youth academy in England once the building for it is built, Unite buy players just like everyone else, They didnt develop Rooney, Nani, Evra, Van Persie, Young, Kagawa, United fans are such clownstosspot, you must be another delusional united fan, United hasnt built crap, They dont develop youths, City will have the best youth academy in England once the building for it is built, Unite buy players just like everyone else, They didnt develop Rooney, Nani, Evra, Van Persie, Young, Kagawa, United fans are such clowns

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By kingjaime - 12-05-2013 01:59

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On the whole I hate Man Utd, but I do like that they at least have a properly functioning youth system. If only in relative terms. Jonny Evans, Danny Wellbeck, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, Tom Cleverley and Darren Fletcher makes 6 at-least-useful players who came entirely through their own youth system (this is not to mention the ones they bought very young and largely developed, i.e. Rafael, Phil Jones, Wayne Rooney, Anderson, Chris Smalling, Javier Hernandez, Nani and Nick Powell). Chelsea, I see no-one of real note since John Terry, certainly not who established themselves in the first team. Ryan Bertrand is hovering around, Scott Sinclair is technically a Man City player (although why they signed him is a mystery to me) and I can't think of anyone else. Jack Cork wherever he is these days. Man City, Micah Richards is all that springs to mind. Joey Barton obviously went wrong, Michael Johnson went spectacularly wrong, and they didn't have faith in Daniel Sturridge. SWP was useful for a while. That's it. Even Arsenal's figures for youth graduates to established first-team players isn't all that good. Of their current squad, it's only really Jack Wilshere I'd say is quality. If you include the average/crap, you can add Aaron Ramsey and Kieran Gibbs. It's deceptive with them because they buy/poach so many young players, but it's rarely anyone properly through their own youth program (like years of nurturing from early/mid teens). Ah but the question was of Moyes, oops... It'll be interesting. There are obvious positives to him, he's managed a diverse array of personalities over the years, he's brought good performances out of players who haven't replicated it elsewhere, he's nurtured a few useful youngsters and been pretty shrewd with transfers... On the other hand he's obviously got very limited experience at top-levels of competition (for league titles and in Europe) and he's not a big "name" in the global scheme of things, so I expect the appeal to a star player joining Man Utd managed by Moyes is less than joining Man Utd managed by a Mourinho or Ancelotti or Guardiola type. I certainly think there's less chance of them signing players like Falcao and Cristiano Ronaldo with Moyes, as compared to with one of those others. Be interesting to see how it goes. Certainly don't think there'll be any great failure, would very much feel assured they'd still be top 4, it's just a question of whether Moyes can take/retain the top spot.On the whole I hate Man Utd, but I do like that they at least have a properly functioning youth system. If only in relative terms. Jonny Evans, Danny Wellbeck, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, Tom Cleverley and Darren Fletcher makes 6 at-least-useful players who came entirely through their own youth system (this is not to mention the ones they bought very young and largely developed, i.e. Rafael, Phil Jones, Wayne Rooney, Anderson, Chris Smalling, Javier Hernandez, Nani and Nick Powell).

Chelsea, I see no-one of real note since John Terry, certainly not who established themselves in the first team. Ryan Bertrand is hovering around, Scott Sinclair is technically a Man City player (although why they signed him is a mystery to me) and I can't think of anyone else. Jack Cork wherever he is these days.

Man City, Micah Richards is all that springs to mind. Joey Barton obviously went wrong, Michael Johnson went spectacularly wrong, and they didn't have faith in Daniel Sturridge. SWP was useful for a while. That's it.

Even Arsenal's figures for youth graduates to established first-team players isn't all that good. Of their current squad, it's only really Jack Wilshere I'd say is quality. If you include the average/crap, you can add Aaron Ramsey and Kieran Gibbs. It's deceptive with them because they buy/poach so many young players, but it's rarely anyone properly through their own youth program (like years of nurturing from early/mid teens).

Ah but the question was of Moyes, oops...

It'll be interesting. There are obvious positives to him, he's managed a diverse array of personalities over the years, he's brought good performances out of players who haven't replicated it elsewhere, he's nurtured a few useful youngsters and been pretty shrewd with transfers... On the other hand he's obviously got very limited experience at top-levels of competition (for league titles and in Europe) and he's not a big "name" in the global scheme of things, so I expect the appeal to a star player joining Man Utd managed by Moyes is less than joining Man Utd managed by a Mourinho or Ancelotti or Guardiola type. I certainly think there's less chance of them signing players like Falcao and Cristiano Ronaldo with Moyes, as compared to with one of those others.

Be interesting to see how it goes. Certainly don't think there'll be any great failure, would very much feel assured they'd still be top 4, it's just a question of whether Moyes can take/retain the top spot.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By grinner - 12-05-2013 02:05

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lol rockstar, as usual and liek in every thread you post in, there is only 1 clown in here. United havent built anything? maybe you should count how many title fergie has won while at Man U. and their success rate previous to that. Hasnt built anything? that has to be one of the funniest things ive ever heard. Im not a Man Utd fan in any sense of the word (Sunderland), and hate how they dominate while seemingly play at half pace, i also think many of their current players are way overrated, but they just won the title yet again, and with plenty of room to spare so something is working. I, at least respect what they have done, even if i hope they lose every week. When it comes to Moyes, i think he is a great choice, very much in the mould of Fergie when he arrived at the club and with a very similar mindset that is already embedded there. Again as much as i dont want Man Utd to do well, i would like to see Moyes be successful as he has slogged it out at Everton with no budget and has them punching above their weight every single season, and i would have had him join us in a heartbeat, as i would imagine a lot of fans would. If they had gone the route of Mourinho or someone of his ilk then i think they would have turning into another team of primma donnas being overpaid for underperforming. Man City may have a great future ahead of them, but judging by performance like the FA cup final, they just dont care enough for the club to actually put themselves on the line for it, its the same story with plenty of teams around atm, all the players acre about is securing a lucrative contract, then after that it doesnt matter until its time for another. and just to make sure you are wrong with everything you have said, tosspot is a Liverpool fan, sad i know, but true.lol rockstar, as usual and liek in every thread you post in, there is only 1 clown in here. United havent built anything? maybe you should count how many title fergie has won while at Man U. and their success rate previous to that. Hasnt built anything? that has to be one of the funniest things ive ever heard.

Im not a Man Utd fan in any sense of the word (Sunderland), and hate how they dominate while seemingly play at half pace, i also think many of their current players are way overrated, but they just won the title yet again, and with plenty of room to spare so something is working. I, at least respect what they have done, even if i hope they lose every week.

When it comes to Moyes, i think he is a great choice, very much in the mould of Fergie when he arrived at the club and with a very similar mindset that is already embedded there. Again as much as i dont want Man Utd to do well, i would like to see Moyes be successful as he has slogged it out at Everton with no budget and has them punching above their weight every single season, and i would have had him join us in a heartbeat, as i would imagine a lot of fans would.
If they had gone the route of Mourinho or someone of his ilk then i think they would have turning into another team of primma donnas being overpaid for underperforming. Man City may have a great future ahead of them, but judging by performance like the FA cup final, they just dont care enough for the club to actually put themselves on the line for it, its the same story with plenty of teams around atm, all the players acre about is securing a lucrative contract, then after that it doesnt matter until its time for another.

and just to make sure you are wrong with everything you have said, tosspot is a Liverpool fan, sad i know, but true.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 12-05-2013 02:16

evans is crap, welbeck is decent, they still have to buy players just like everyone else to be succesful is what i'm saying, United is still not good enough to win Europe, that's why they are trying to get Di Maria, you're all Ferguson groupiesevans is crap, welbeck is decent, they still have to buy players just like everyone else to be succesful is what i'm saying, United is still not good enough to win Europe, that's why they are trying to get Di Maria, you're all Ferguson groupies

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By cataloniafootball - 12-05-2013 08:24

I dont know if moyes would be better for MU, but it;s good that alex ferguson finally understand that he isn't good manager and it;s time to give up it. It's good news for british football.I dont know if moyes would be better for MU, but it;s good that alex ferguson finally understand that he isn't good manager and it;s time to give up it. It's good news for british football.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By tosspot - 12-05-2013 09:17

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I didn't say they were good enough to win Europe. But they are the most consistent performer in the league for the last 20 seasons. Big players have always jumped at the chance to play there, but not for extortionate wages... But for the prestige of being at a big club that won't change manager every month or buy another fad player and pay them more while you sit on the bench. As grinder said, you are wrong about everything you posted. Talking like that makes you look stupid, no matter who you support.

rockstarroberts wrote:

evans is crap, welbeck is decent, they still have to buy players just like everyone else to be succesful is what i'm saying, United is still not good enough to win Europe, that's why they are trying to get Di Maria, you're all Ferguson groupies

I didn't say they were good enough to win Europe. But they are the most consistent performer in the league for the last 20 seasons. Big players have always jumped at the chance to play there, but not for extortionate wages... But for the prestige of being at a big club that won't change manager every month or buy another fad player and pay them more while you sit on the bench.

As grinder said, you are wrong about everything you posted.

cataloniafootball wrote:

I dont know if moyes would be better for MU, but it;s good that alex ferguson finally understand that he isn't good manager and it;s time to give up it. It's good news for british football.

Talking like that makes you look stupid, no matter who you support.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By windows780 - 12-05-2013 15:13

All the pundits say that David Moyes is a great manager but when you look into his record against the top sides you see a different story.This is his record against the top sides in the last 10 seasons and how many wins:- Arsenal 3 Chelsea 3 Man Utd 3 Liverpool 4 Spurs 7 Man City 11 The Man City record looks good until you take into account that they were nothing before 2009. So basically he has gotten most of his wins against the lesser teams. One of the big questions is..will be bring in is own backroom staff and get rid of Mike Phelan and René Meulensteen , who have been at the club for over 10 years.I know managers like to bring in their own people but IF he sacks all Fergies backroom staff that would be a huge mistake IMHO. Liverpool have shown how a period of dominance can change when a club puts the wrong man/men in charge.I hope for Man Utds sake that David Moyes isn't that man...All the pundits say that David Moyes is a great manager but when you look into his record against the top sides you see a different story.This is his record against the top sides in the last 10 seasons and how many wins:-
Arsenal 3
Chelsea 3
Man Utd 3
Liverpool 4
Spurs 7
Man City 11
The Man City record looks good until you take into account that they were nothing before 2009.
So basically he has gotten most of his wins against the lesser teams.
One of the big questions is..will be bring in is own backroom staff and get rid of Mike Phelan and René Meulensteen , who have been at the club for over 10 years.I know managers like to bring in their own people but IF he sacks all Fergies backroom staff that would be a huge mistake IMHO.
Liverpool have shown how a period of dominance can change when a club puts the wrong man/men in charge.I hope for Man Utds sake that David Moyes isn't that man...

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By frankzappa - 12-05-2013 15:19

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This is his record against Top Sides with Everton, essentially a Lesser Team. Not a bad record really then. With the resources Man U have to offer (including the services of Phelan and Meulensteen as mentioned) he should do very well.This is his record against Top Sides with Everton, essentially a Lesser Team. Not a bad record really then.
With the resources Man U have to offer (including the services of Phelan and Meulensteen as mentioned) he should do very well.

Luiz Felipe Scolari

By mobi_dicky - 12-05-2013 17:58

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The best would be Luiz Felipe Scolari, the current coach of the Brazil!The best would be Luiz Felipe Scolari, the current coach of the Brazil!

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 12-05-2013 18:28

I'm not wrong about anything I've posted, They were Man City before Man city, Rich human being purchases team and there you have it, that's how it works, Moyes will follow his footsteps in having no class when he loses, making sure he has clattenburg and webb in his pocket, he'll be ferguson 2.0I'm not wrong about anything I've posted, They were Man City before Man city, Rich human being purchases team and there you have it, that's how it works, Moyes will follow his footsteps in having no class when he loses, making sure he has clattenburg and webb in his pocket, he'll be ferguson 2.0

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By windows780 - 12-05-2013 19:42

I'm not wrong about anything I've posted.. City will have the best youth academy in England once the building for it is built..provide proof for that statement !I'm not wrong about anything I've posted..
City will have the best youth academy in England once the building for it is built..provide proof for that statement !

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 12-05-2013 19:47

it's being built right now, you can look it upit's being built right now, you can look it up

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 12-05-2013 19:51

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wabNqKx8FqAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wabNqKx8FqA

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By tosspot - 12-05-2013 21:02

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Having a nice building is not the same as having a good youth academy.Having a nice building is not the same as having a good youth academy.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By windows780 - 12-05-2013 21:15

It looks nice and cost a bundle to build,but Mancini has proved that unless you get the correct people in charge it won't do that well :)It looks nice and cost a bundle to build,but Mancini has proved that unless you get the correct people in charge it won't do that well :)

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By frankzappa - 12-05-2013 21:58

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Mancini will be at the Job Centre in the morning.Mancini will be at the Job Centre in the morning.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 12-05-2013 22:31

that's exactly what it means, mu city blues will have the best youth academy in England, you wouldnt built something if you're not committed to it,that's exactly what it means, mu city blues will have the best youth academy in England, you wouldnt built something if you're not committed to it,

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By tosspot - 13-05-2013 08:53

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You would if you had billions of dollars and nothing better to do. I will agree that Man City is a better club than Chelsea, but they are still a rich man's team on Football Manager in real life.

rockstarroberts wrote:

that's exactly what it means, mu city blues will have the best youth academy in England, you wouldnt built something if you're not committed to it,

You would if you had billions of dollars and nothing better to do.

I will agree that Man City is a better club than Chelsea, but they are still a rich man's team on Football Manager in real life.

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By pho_oenix - 13-05-2013 10:02

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Man city are trying to replicate barcas La masia. And if ur putting money,effort n the kind of resources they have or can buy i dont see it failing.England will benefit frm it. I wld have preferred Dortmund coach over moyes but i think they wanted to stick with a guy who has gd experience in EPL,knows to manage with what he has n who is stable with less antics.So moyes perfectly fits. he is a very gd manager considering what he has done with everton with the low resources n discipline his sides has shown over the years. As of now not a top manager but if he improves he can become one. All united fans rejoice because i think ronaldo is heading to MANU specially if rooney leaves. MAnU have signed some very important deals keeping him in mind. But barca will be back in 1-2 seasons no matter who u get :)Man city are trying to replicate barcas La masia. And if ur putting money,effort n the kind of resources they have or can buy i dont see it failing.England will benefit frm it.

I wld have preferred Dortmund coach over moyes but i think they wanted to stick with a guy who has gd experience in EPL,knows to manage with what he has n who is stable with less antics.So moyes perfectly fits.
he is a very gd manager considering what he has done with everton with the low resources n discipline his sides has shown over the years.

As of now not a top manager but if he improves he can become one.

All united fans rejoice because i think ronaldo is heading to MANU specially if rooney leaves. MAnU have signed some very important deals keeping him in mind.

But barca will be back in 1-2 seasons no matter who u get :)

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By pho_oenix - 13-05-2013 10:06

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I wld love to see how sir alex does in another team outside England.He sld return after 1-2 seasons.I wld love to see how sir alex does in another team outside England.He sld return after 1-2 seasons.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By windows780 - 13-05-2013 16:39

He did very well at Aberdeen and they aren't in England..He did very well at Aberdeen and they aren't in England..

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 13-05-2013 22:02

put your hatred for city aside tosspot, both manchesters are owned by rich people, they actually care about the clubput your hatred for city aside tosspot, both manchesters are owned by rich people, they actually care about the club

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By tosspot - 13-05-2013 22:36

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I don't hate City, I would actually prefer City to win over United. Put your stupidity aside and look at the situation objectively.I don't hate City, I would actually prefer City to win over United.

Put your stupidity aside and look at the situation objectively.

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By juniormatador - 13-05-2013 22:56

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@Rockstar Stop being a kid. @Cataloniafootball You are crazy.. Alex Fergunson is one of the greatest coach i have ever seen . I think you should read something about Fergie's job at United he is legend:-)@Rockstar
Stop being a kid.

@Cataloniafootball
You are crazy.. Alex Fergunson is one of the greatest coach i have ever seen .
I think you should read something about Fergie's job at United
he is legend:-)

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 14-05-2013 01:21

I'm the only one here looking at it objectively, They wouldny built a youth academy if they didnt care about developing youths, common senseI'm the only one here looking at it objectively, They wouldny built a youth academy if they didnt care about developing youths, common sense

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 14-05-2013 21:24

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Wow, i can see things have spiraled out of control. Yes man-city are getting a good training ground but the problem is [u]will they actually play their players[/u], Man-city best future star is john guidetti and he is 20 and still hasn't played a PL game, even though he played well in Holland. 2. Sir alex is [b]THE BEST MANAGER IN BRITISH HISTORY[/b], where he is the best in the world is up for debate but [u]most recognize that furgie is in/near the top 3 in history mark[/u], yes he int the longest serving manager[u][/u] in history or even in Britain but he is in the modern game where managers get sacked after 2 seasons and he has not only lasted 26 years in a club where fans demand honors every season, but he delivered as well [u]winning 38 cups in 26 years of Man-utd[/u]. [b]Anyone who calls furgie rubbish is stupid[/b], Furgie was honoured to SIR, who else got honoured in such a way by any royal family. 3. [b]Man-utd do have a better youth system than City[/b]. They have raised stars such and the Gary Neville, Nicky butt, Beckham, Giggs, Bobby Charlton, Bill Foulkes, Paul Scholes, Duncan Edwards, Sir Bobby Charlton, George Best, Nobby Stiles, Mark Hughes and Johnny Giles and many more, They have even nutured great talent from the likes of C.Ronaldo, van nisterooy, Rooney, Carrick and the list goes on and the list will continue with the likes of Adnan Januzaj and Powell hopefully in first team next season. 4.[b]Man-utd do spend but not nearly as must as Chelsea, Man-city and Liverpool[/b] and even if Man-utd do spend it is because of their business plan as one on the best in the world with many sponsors. Man-utd are making record turn overs now with a reported 90m pounds in a quarter so even if they do spend its fine for the spending fair play rules as long as the club dont make negative profit. So fans hope for lots of signings :) 5. [b]Furgie has retired for good and will not return in 1 or 2 seasons[/b], he may have retured but he will always have a roll in the club till he dies and will be remembered for ever in World Football, he was a legend as a player and a Coach. 6. [b]Let us now please go back to the original topic of David Moyes... With the likes of Kagawa and Valencia and maybe Nani (if he stays) trying to reach form, Moyes might successfully defend the title. I hope i created new talking points :)[/b]Wow, i can see things have spiraled out of control. Yes man-city are getting a good training ground but the problem is will they actually play their players, Man-city best future star is john guidetti and he is 20 and still hasn't played a PL game, even though he played well in Holland.
2. Sir alex is THE BEST MANAGER IN BRITISH HISTORY, where he is the best in the world is up for debate but most recognize that furgie is in/near the top 3 in history mark, yes he int the longest serving manager in history or even in Britain but he is in the modern game where managers get sacked after 2 seasons and he has not only lasted 26 years in a club where fans demand honors every season, but he delivered as well winning 38 cups in 26 years of Man-utd. Anyone who calls furgie rubbish is stupid, Furgie was honoured to SIR, who else got honoured in such a way by any royal family.
3. Man-utd do have a better youth system than City. They have raised stars such and the Gary Neville, Nicky butt, Beckham, Giggs, Bobby Charlton, Bill Foulkes, Paul Scholes, Duncan Edwards, Sir Bobby Charlton, George Best, Nobby Stiles, Mark Hughes and Johnny Giles and many more, They have even nutured great talent from the likes of C.Ronaldo, van nisterooy, Rooney, Carrick and the list goes on and the list will continue with the likes of Adnan Januzaj and Powell hopefully in first team next season.
4.Man-utd do spend but not nearly as must as Chelsea, Man-city and Liverpool and even if Man-utd do spend it is because of their business plan as one on the best in the world with many sponsors. Man-utd are making record turn overs now with a reported 90m pounds in a quarter so even if they do spend its fine for the spending fair play rules as long as the club dont make negative profit. So fans hope for lots of signings :)
5. Furgie has retired for good and will not return in 1 or 2 seasons, he may have retured but he will always have a roll in the club till he dies and will be remembered for ever in World Football, he was a legend as a player and a Coach.
6. Let us now please go back to the original topic of David Moyes... With the likes of Kagawa and Valencia and maybe Nani (if he stays) trying to reach form, Moyes might successfully defend the title. I hope i created new talking points :)

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 14-05-2013 21:24

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[b]My facts may not all be accurate but they reflect the truth[/b][u][/u]My facts may not all be accurate but they reflect the truth

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 15-05-2013 01:54

#1. of course they are going to play their players, we have more than one player waiting in the wings #2. Sir Alex says himself that his job was saved by the Mark Robbins FA cup goal #3. United cant take credit for Ronaldo, period #4. Fergie spent more money in the 80's than United's four rivals combined and they broke the transfer record repeatedly, All of my facts are accurate#1. of course they are going to play their players, we have more than one player waiting in the wings #2. Sir Alex says himself that his job was saved by the Mark Robbins FA cup goal #3. United cant take credit for Ronaldo, period #4. Fergie spent more money in the 80's than United's four rivals combined and they broke the transfer record repeatedly, All of my facts are accurate

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By geddin - 15-05-2013 05:18

Moyes could well just be Alex Fergie's assistant. Personally I think Fergie will still have some say on what goes on the pitch.Moyes could well just be Alex Fergie's assistant. Personally I think Fergie will still have some say on what goes on the pitch.

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By tosspot - 15-05-2013 07:45

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There we go, rockstarroberts said 'we' about Man City. That means take nothing he says seriously because he's biased.There we go, rockstarroberts said 'we' about Man City.

That means take nothing he says seriously because he's biased.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 15-05-2013 07:48

not biased, nothing in my last comment was false, carry on my aussie matenot biased, nothing in my last comment was false, carry on my aussie mate

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By tosspot - 15-05-2013 10:36

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Once a 'we' comes into it, it is clear that you are looking at it subjectively rather than objectively. Only time will tell what they really do, but to get to the level that Liverpool, Man Utd etc are at with their programs... you know, actually producing stars that go on to play for their respective teams or move elsewhere.Once a 'we' comes into it, it is clear that you are looking at it subjectively rather than objectively.

Only time will tell what they really do, but to get to the level that Liverpool, Man Utd etc are at with their programs... you know, actually producing stars that go on to play for their respective teams or move elsewhere.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 15-05-2013 21:36

[MZ]

I think furgie will have equal power to what he did before retirement however, he will have to leave the team to Moyes and he will have to obey to Moyes transfer demands. Well considering Moyes has an eye for cheep stars, i hope he can buy many, especually in the central midfield position and IF Rooney leaves maybe another top profile striker like Ronaldo or Lewandowski.I think furgie will have equal power to what he did before retirement however, he will have to leave the team to Moyes and he will have to obey to Moyes transfer demands. Well considering Moyes has an eye for cheep stars, i hope he can buy many, especually in the central midfield position and IF Rooney leaves maybe another top profile striker like Ronaldo or Lewandowski.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By juniormatador - 15-05-2013 22:50

[MZ]

Even the foolish man, when he keeps quiet, is taken to be wise: when his lips are shut he is credited with good sense.Even the foolish man, when he keeps quiet, is taken to be wise: when his lips are shut he is credited with good sense.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 16-05-2013 03:23

United are not getting Ronaldo or LewandowskiUnited are not getting Ronaldo or Lewandowski

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By safctillidie - 16-05-2013 16:24

im not trying to take sides here but heres the two lineups many would consider man city and man utds best team (might miss a few sorry if do) de gea 19m Rafael 2.5m vidic 7m Ferdinand 28m evra 5.5m Valencia 16m kagawa 12m carrick 18.5m young 17m rooney 27m van persie 22m subs lindegaard 4m jones 17m smalling 10m nani 13.5m cleverly welbeck hernandez 6m total starting 11 = 174.5m total inc subs = 225m hart 1.5m zabaleta 6.5m company 6.7m nastasic 12m clichy 7m toure 24m silva 25m milner 26m(jesus Christ) Garcia 16m tevez 25.5m aguero 38m subs pantilimon 3m maicon 3m kolarov 17m lescott 22m (again amazed) barry 12m Sinclair 8m dzeko 27m starting 11 value = 188.2m starting and subs = 277m so it clearly shows man city have overspent in terms of squad players without a doubt, but theres a difference of less than 15million between the starting 11 of each squad. that took me a while to put together like but hopefully puts an end to the old ''buying trophies' shite utd fans come out with..........im not trying to take sides here but heres the two lineups many would consider man city and man utds best team (might miss a few sorry if do)

de gea 19m

Rafael 2.5m
vidic 7m
Ferdinand 28m
evra 5.5m

Valencia 16m
kagawa 12m
carrick 18.5m
young 17m

rooney 27m
van persie 22m

subs
lindegaard 4m
jones 17m
smalling 10m
nani 13.5m
cleverly
welbeck
hernandez 6m


total starting 11 = 174.5m
total inc subs = 225m

hart 1.5m

zabaleta 6.5m
company 6.7m
nastasic 12m
clichy 7m

toure 24m
silva 25m
milner 26m(jesus Christ)
Garcia 16m

tevez 25.5m
aguero 38m

subs
pantilimon 3m
maicon 3m
kolarov 17m
lescott 22m (again amazed)
barry 12m
Sinclair 8m
dzeko 27m

starting 11 value = 188.2m
starting and subs = 277m

so it clearly shows man city have overspent in terms of squad players without a doubt, but theres a difference of less than 15million between the starting 11 of each squad.

that took me a while to put together like but hopefully puts an end to the old ''buying trophies' shite utd fans come out with..........

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By grinner - 16-05-2013 16:34

[AUSNZ]

And thats the closest Sinclair ever got to playing for City right there. ;)And thats the closest Sinclair ever got to playing for City right there. ;)

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 16-05-2013 18:07

[MZ]

yer but look, all man-city players earn high income, im not saying Rooney and Van Persie dont but all man-city players get a high wage and also man-utd keep their players, Ferdinand was at the club for years and also Rooney, Rafeal, Evra, Carrick and also we have on your list 2 players form our own academy. So overall per season we spend less but keep the players for years more than City. Now lets look at city... All their players are almost recent signings with many wayyyyy over priced like Milner, And Lescott in subs with Dzecko. Also none of the players are from the academy or at least developed by city. So i think Man-utd fans can say City brought the league Thank you for proving my point safctillidie. Another point worth mentioning is that most man-city players have low value in the transfer market if sold ie, Milner (10m???) (no surprises there) Lescott (maybe even for free) Barry (10m-), Sinclair (5m???), Garcia (10m-15m), Korarov(???), Dzecko (maybe sold for 15??? he is sad) But on the plus side they do have good valued players like Hart (priceless), Kompany, Pantilimon, Zabeleta. Man-utd on the other hand their players have a high transfer price like Rooney(30m???), Hernandez (20m???), Rafael (priceless), De gea (priceless) Welbeck (15m??? we got him for free:), Vidic (priceless but old), Nani (same as bought), Smalling and Jones (price increasing, not gonna be sold) but there are a few that have losing value like Van Persie (he is gonna stay anyways) Ferdinand (could be free transfer but was used well, i hope he is staying) and thats bout it really. With players like Kagawa, Valencia and Nani trying to hit form their values are not bad either. So any fan/hater of man-utd/city feel free to comment on my evaluation. Maybe even add your team players to campare them to Utd/city. Thxyer but look, all man-city players earn high income, im not saying Rooney and Van Persie dont but all man-city players get a high wage and also man-utd keep their players, Ferdinand was at the club for years and also Rooney, Rafeal, Evra, Carrick and also we have on your list 2 players form our own academy. So overall per season we spend less but keep the players for years more than City.
Now lets look at city... All their players are almost recent signings with many wayyyyy over priced like Milner, And Lescott in subs with Dzecko. Also none of the players are from the academy or at least developed by city. So i think Man-utd fans can say City brought the league Thank you for proving my point safctillidie. Another point worth mentioning is that most man-city players have low value in the transfer market if sold ie, Milner (10m???) (no surprises there) Lescott (maybe even for free) Barry (10m-), Sinclair (5m???), Garcia (10m-15m), Korarov(???), Dzecko (maybe sold for 15??? he is sad) But on the plus side they do have good valued players like Hart (priceless), Kompany, Pantilimon, Zabeleta.
Man-utd on the other hand their players have a high transfer price like Rooney(30m???), Hernandez (20m???), Rafael (priceless), De gea (priceless) Welbeck (15m??? we got him for free:), Vidic (priceless but old), Nani (same as bought), Smalling and Jones (price increasing, not gonna be sold) but there are a few that have losing value like Van Persie (he is gonna stay anyways) Ferdinand (could be free transfer but was used well, i hope he is staying) and thats bout it really. With players like Kagawa, Valencia and Nani trying to hit form their values are not bad either. So any fan/hater of man-utd/city feel free to comment on my evaluation. Maybe even add your team players to campare them to Utd/city. Thx

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 16-05-2013 18:10

[MZ]

By the way this evaluation is only based on the graph sent by safctillidie. If i went into more depth i could include Scholes and Giggs who were for free and still play a huge roll in the club, but i never.By the way this evaluation is only based on the graph sent by safctillidie. If i went into more depth i could include Scholes and Giggs who were for free and still play a huge roll in the club, but i never.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 16-05-2013 19:31

like i said, united fans are delusional, you dont win the league without van persie, and of course you dont have a problem with ferdinand, rooney, and jones making that much money, you see tosspot, that's Actual biaslike i said, united fans are delusional, you dont win the league without van persie, and of course you dont have a problem with ferdinand, rooney, and jones making that much money, you see tosspot, that's Actual bias

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By tosspot - 16-05-2013 20:39

[AUSNZ]

Time frames are a big part of it. United built that team over lots of season, city spent all that cash in just a few. There is a difference in spending 30mil a season for 10 seasons than spending 300k over 1 or 2 seasons.Time frames are a big part of it.

United built that team over lots of season, city spent all that cash in just a few.

There is a difference in spending 30mil a season for 10 seasons than spending 300k over 1 or 2 seasons.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 16-05-2013 20:52

the point is that United bought the league as well, dont give me this time frame crap, no van persie, no league title, checkmatethe point is that United bought the league as well, dont give me this time frame crap, no van persie, no league title, checkmate

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By tosspot - 16-05-2013 21:02

[AUSNZ]

Yeah, you're right. Arsenal won it a few times because of Van Persie... Oh wait.

rockstarroberts wrote:

the point is that United bought the league as well, dont give me this time frame crap, no van persie, no league title, checkmate

Yeah, you're right. Arsenal won it a few times because of Van Persie... Oh wait.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 16-05-2013 23:03

you miss the pointyou miss the point

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By tosspot - 16-05-2013 23:57

[AUSNZ]

I wish you'd stuck to hockey.

rockstarroberts wrote:

you miss the point

I wish you'd stuck to hockey.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 17-05-2013 00:03

I wish you weren't stubbornI wish you weren't stubborn

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By juniormatador - 17-05-2013 03:27

[MZ]

Guys All of us have a different point of view , so let's stop that... Wherever comes Manchester United is so far the best english team , i am sure that David Moyes will be a good coach for the redsGuys
All of us have a different point of view , so let's stop that...
Wherever comes Manchester United is so far the best english team , i am sure that David Moyes will be a good coach for the reds

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By grinner - 17-05-2013 04:09

[AUSNZ]

Transfers 2011 - 2012 [b]Man City[/b] Denis Suarez £850k Gaël Clichy - £7m Stefan Savić - Undisclosed (6mil) Sergio Agüero - Undisclosed (35mil) Costel Pantilimon - Undisclosed (3mil) Samir Nasri - £25m Owen Hargreaves - Free Martin Samuelsen - Free David Pizarro - Loan [b]Total - 76mil[/b] Man Utd Phil Jones - Undisclosed (16.5mil approx) Ashley Young - Undisclosed (17.5mil approx) David de Gea - Undisclosed (19mil approx) Paul Scholes - Free Frédéric Veseli - Undisclosed [b]Total - 53mil[/b] 2012-2013 Transfers Man City - Matija Nastasic - 12.5million Javi Garcia - 20million Douglas Maicon - 3.8million Scott Sinclair - 7.8million Jack Rodwell - 15million [b]Total - 59.1mil[/b] Man Utd - Robin van Persie - 30million Wilfried Zaha - 18million Alexander Buttner - 5million Nick Powell - 3.75million Shinji Kagawa - 15million Angelo Henriquez - undisclosed (4mil approx) [b]Total - 75.75mil[/b] This just goes to show that both clubs spend a shit ton of money every year on players, but about 6 of the 11 that Utd signed play regularly, when not injured Phil Jones. 4 of the 13 players bought in this period for City started for the FA cup final, with another 3 on the bench and only Rodwell came off it to play. In each season the team who spent the most, won the league. Im sure if someone would like to factor Chelsea's success/spending ratios in here too, then an alarming statistic would arise, that spending money buys success in the premier league/europe when done at an extreme level. My point here is that people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones, and that both teams are as bad as each other when it comes to buying prospective youth, overpaying for first team players and are living proof that if you throw enough shit at something then some if it will stick, in so much as how much player talent they buy. Personally i really dont like this overall attitude of the mega rich clubs to snaffle up every 15/16 year old that is billed as the next Lionel Ronaldo, as for every one of these teams there is only 11 starting spots, and to have a roster of 20-30 players aged 18 and under playing the reserves, waiting to see who turns out the best just smothers the amount of talent available. A lot of these players would grow and flourish if they were in a team where they actually got games, and not just on loan. I mean Lukaku has ripped up the EPL this season playing for West Brom, but he's not going to dislodge Ba or Torres, or whichever big name star comes in during the summer, and hes being wasted. If he had signed for West brom, then he could be enjoying the freedom of playing, and not knowing if he succeeds then there is a place on the bench or reserves awaiting him at his home club.Transfers

2011 - 2012

Man City

Denis Suarez £850k
Gaël Clichy - £7m
Stefan Savić - Undisclosed (6mil)
Sergio Agüero - Undisclosed (35mil)
Costel Pantilimon - Undisclosed (3mil)
Samir Nasri - £25m
Owen Hargreaves - Free
Martin Samuelsen - Free
David Pizarro - Loan

Total - 76mil

Man Utd

Phil Jones - Undisclosed (16.5mil approx)
Ashley Young - Undisclosed (17.5mil approx)
David de Gea - Undisclosed (19mil approx)
Paul Scholes - Free
Frédéric Veseli - Undisclosed

Total - 53mil

2012-2013

Transfers
Man City -

Matija Nastasic - 12.5million
Javi Garcia - 20million
Douglas Maicon - 3.8million
Scott Sinclair - 7.8million
Jack Rodwell - 15million

Total - 59.1mil

Man Utd -

Robin van Persie - 30million
Wilfried Zaha - 18million
Alexander Buttner - 5million
Nick Powell - 3.75million
Shinji Kagawa - 15million
Angelo Henriquez - undisclosed (4mil approx)

Total - 75.75mil

This just goes to show that both clubs spend a shit ton of money every year on players, but about 6 of the 11 that Utd signed play regularly, when not injured Phil Jones. 4 of the 13 players bought in this period for City started for the FA cup final, with another 3 on the bench and only Rodwell came off it to play. In each season the team who spent the most, won the league. Im sure if someone would like to factor Chelsea's success/spending ratios in here too, then an alarming statistic would arise, that spending money buys success in the premier league/europe when done at an extreme level.
My point here is that people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones, and that both teams are as bad as each other when it comes to buying prospective youth, overpaying for first team players and are living proof that if you throw enough shit at something then some if it will stick, in so much as how much player talent they buy.

Personally i really dont like this overall attitude of the mega rich clubs to snaffle up every 15/16 year old that is billed as the next Lionel Ronaldo, as for every one of these teams there is only 11 starting spots, and to have a roster of 20-30 players aged 18 and under playing the reserves, waiting to see who turns out the best just smothers the amount of talent available. A lot of these players would grow and flourish if they were in a team where they actually got games, and not just on loan.
I mean Lukaku has ripped up the EPL this season playing for West Brom, but he's not going to dislodge Ba or Torres, or whichever big name star comes in during the summer, and hes being wasted. If he had signed for West brom, then he could be enjoying the freedom of playing, and not knowing if he succeeds then there is a place on the bench or reserves awaiting him at his home club.

 

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