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Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 11-05-2013 23:18

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I have seen David Moyes and must say that he is an excellent manager, form his early years managing Preston all the way to developing Everton to a regular European fighting team who could twice be above Liverpool (their arch rivals) in the league, even though they spend considerably more. However, Man-utd are a high profile club all over the world and any manager would accept the post so do you think that any other Coach is more worthy that Moyes and is he the right man?I have seen David Moyes and must say that he is an excellent manager, form his early years managing Preston all the way to developing Everton to a regular European fighting team who could twice be above Liverpool (their arch rivals) in the league, even though they spend considerably more. However, Man-utd are a high profile club all over the world and any manager would accept the post so do you think that any other Coach is more worthy that Moyes and is he the right man?

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Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By supermario123 - 17-05-2013 21:59

Grinner, i like your evaluation but if you look, all the players except Robin Van persie are young and bought for the long term like smalling and Jones as well as De gea. Also all of those players as mentioned before have an increasing value as well. Yes it is true that all teams spend but so long as the club is still making profit like Man-utd Arsenal then i dont see why haters say they spend too much, Man-city should not be spending a penny if they want to play in Champion league again.Grinner, i like your evaluation but if you look, all the players except Robin Van persie are young and bought for the long term like smalling and Jones as well as De gea. Also all of those players as mentioned before have an increasing value as well. Yes it is true that all teams spend but so long as the club is still making profit like Man-utd Arsenal then i dont see why haters say they spend too much, Man-city should not be spending a penny if they want to play in Champion league again.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By safctillidie - 18-05-2013 18:16

gamersrule your argument is poor, very poor. were not talking re sale value, were talking the current squads, re sale value doesn't win the league...... however ill go a little easy on you as your profile states your sir alex ferguson and only an 18yr old. so your a young deluded man united fan who wont see past the tinted specs and acknowledge facts, instead just refuse to accept the truth..... as for saying thanks for proving your point? are you really so stupid? the clubs at the top buy their success. its only once in a while that a club like Dortmund comes along and is successful without spending huge (I acknowledge marco reus wasn't cheap, but he was a product of youth system too they just messed up) Manchester united just bought title after title and it was accepted as they were man united. same as real Madrid and barcelona in spain and juventus in Italy. the biggest club spend a fortune on players and its accepted. if anyone dares challenge them then they 'buy success' now the money is theirs to spend so its upto them, but then to claim moral highground on other teams when they spend money, well its just patheticgamersrule your argument is poor, very poor. were not talking re sale value, were talking the current squads, re sale value doesn't win the league......

however ill go a little easy on you as your profile states your sir alex ferguson and only an 18yr old. so your a young deluded man united fan who wont see past the tinted specs and acknowledge facts, instead just refuse to accept the truth.....

as for saying thanks for proving your point? are you really so stupid? the clubs at the top buy their success. its only once in a while that a club like Dortmund comes along and is successful without spending huge (I acknowledge marco reus wasn't cheap, but he was a product of youth system too they just messed up)

Manchester united just bought title after title and it was accepted as they were man united. same as real Madrid and barcelona in spain and juventus in Italy. the biggest club spend a fortune on players and its accepted. if anyone dares challenge them then they 'buy success'

now the money is theirs to spend so its upto them, but then to claim moral highground on other teams when they spend money, well its just pathetic

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 18-05-2013 20:02

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safctillidie My point is the money Man-utd spend is not wasted and they save a lot of money by developing players from a young age. Yes Man-utd do spend money to win the league but they dont spend the most and even if they did, because of their sponsors they would still make huge profit. They will not struggle to meet financial fair play rules to play in the Champions league unlike City or maybe Chelsea.safctillidie
My point is the money Man-utd spend is not wasted and they save a lot of money by developing players from a young age. Yes Man-utd do spend money to win the league but they dont spend the most and even if they did, because of their sponsors they would still make huge profit. They will not struggle to meet financial fair play rules to play in the Champions league unlike City or maybe Chelsea.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 19-05-2013 04:01

let's clear things up,United is not Dortmund or Barca when it comes to youth development, that is alllet's clear things up,United is not Dortmund or Barca when it comes to youth development, that is all

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By supermario123 - 19-05-2013 20:01

No, Manchester united is the Dortmand and the Barca of English football and have produced legends and there are still many to come.No, Manchester united is the Dortmand and the Barca of English football and have produced legends and there are still many to come.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 19-05-2013 21:26

that's insane, liverpool has a much better youth academy, Pepe Guardiola even said Liverpool has the best academy in England, didnt mention United at all, dont be delusionalthat's insane, liverpool has a much better youth academy, Pepe Guardiola even said Liverpool has the best academy in England, didnt mention United at all, dont be delusional

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 19-05-2013 22:26

got any sources rockstar, a lot of vague nonsense being spouted by you. united had arguably the best youth team of all time in 92, a team who went on to win the treble. liverpools youth system is pap. aside from gerrard and carragher, who in their squad is a class product of their youth teams? one of the main gripes of the football fan is the source of the expenditure, rather than the fact they spend it. man united have for years been on of the best financially performing teams in the world, currently the most valuable sports team in the world, beating out even american sports franchises, an impressive feat, no? meanwhile all of City/Chelsea's etc success comes from outside wealth creating an artificial market. United are a self funding side, their marketability is what has brought them success, and will continue to in the world of financial fair play. where the biggest transfer fees will be paid out by the most profitable sides, while saddled with owner debt and their profits used to service said debt is an issue, with the FFP rules its discounted and the owners can pump cash in if they see fit and is why the transfer of Ronaldo back to United while obviously a massive expenditure is still feasable. back to the topic at hand, Fergusons retirement has been dreaded by United fans since his initial announcement a decade ago and sought after by rivals ever since, however the new climate including the FFP structure meaning United will forever be in a strong position, City will inevitably fall away in once their owners cannot supplement their team with their personal wealth. and as seen with Chelsea and so far with City enhanced by mancini's sacking means the managers show little faith in their youth system due to a win at all costs mentality. this youth system you seem to be so attached to rockstar means nothing if they dont make it to the first team. Moyes is a strong long term candidate the main criteria for a club like United used to the collossus that was the Ferguson regime. the security from their income means he will likely be a success, im happy with it what with his miracles produced on a shoestring budget at everton, and am looking forward to seeing what he can do with a top draw side.got any sources rockstar, a lot of vague nonsense being spouted by you.

united had arguably the best youth team of all time in 92, a team who went on to win the treble.

liverpools youth system is pap. aside from gerrard and carragher, who in their squad is a class product of their youth teams?

one of the main gripes of the football fan is the source of the expenditure, rather than the fact they spend it. man united have for years been on of the best financially performing teams in the world, currently the most valuable sports team in the world, beating out even american sports franchises, an impressive feat, no? meanwhile all of City/Chelsea's etc success comes from outside wealth creating an artificial market.

United are a self funding side, their marketability is what has brought them success, and will continue to in the world of financial fair play. where the biggest transfer fees will be paid out by the most profitable sides, while saddled with owner debt and their profits used to service said debt is an issue, with the FFP rules its discounted and the owners can pump cash in if they see fit and is why the transfer of Ronaldo back to United while obviously a massive expenditure is still feasable.

back to the topic at hand, Fergusons retirement has been dreaded by United fans since his initial announcement a decade ago and sought after by rivals ever since, however the new climate including the FFP structure meaning United will forever be in a strong position, City will inevitably fall away in once their owners cannot supplement their team with their personal wealth. and as seen with Chelsea and so far with City enhanced by mancini's sacking means the managers show little faith in their youth system due to a win at all costs mentality. this youth system you seem to be so attached to rockstar means nothing if they dont make it to the first team.

Moyes is a strong long term candidate the main criteria for a club like United used to the collossus that was the Ferguson regime. the security from their income means he will likely be a success, im happy with it what with his miracles produced on a shoestring budget at everton, and am looking forward to seeing what he can do with a top draw side.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 20-05-2013 00:43

everyone is delusional, http://sport.uk.msn.com/football/news/liverpool-sign-teenager-after-guardiola-recommendation, I've typed nothing but facts here, but everyone thinks United is the end all, be alleveryone is delusional, http://sport.uk.msn.com/football/news/liverpool-sign-teenager-after-guardiola-recommendation, I've typed nothing but facts here, but everyone thinks United is the end all, be all

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By juniormatador - 20-05-2013 03:49

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tired to keep reading this conversationtired to keep reading this conversation

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By windows780 - 20-05-2013 13:25

Man City 2009/2010 PLAYER FROM FEE DATE Gareth Barry Aston Villa £12,000,000 01 Jul, 2009 Roque Santa Cruz Blackburn £17,500,000 01 Jul, 2009 Dedryck Boyata FC Brussels Trainee 01 Jul, 2009 Stuart Taylor Aston Villa Free 01 Jul, 2009 Carlos Tevez Man Utd £47,000,000 14 Jul, 2009 Emmanuel Adebayor Arsenal £25,000,000 19 Jul, 2009 Kolo Toure Arsenal £16,000,000 29 Jul, 2009 Sylvinho Barcelona Free 24 Aug, 2009 Joleon Lescott Everton £22,000,000 25 Aug, 2009 Patrick Vieira Inter Free 08 Jan, 2010 Adam Johnson Middlesbro £7,000,000 01 Feb, 2010 Jerome Boateng Hamburg £10,460,000 02 Jun, 2010 Alex Henshall Swindon £250,000 09 Jun, 2010 David Silva Valencia £26,000,000 30 Jun, 2010 Yaya Toure Barcelona £24,000,000 02 Jul, 2010 Albert Rusnak FC Kosice Signed 07 Jul, 2010 Total: £207,210,000Man City 2009/2010
PLAYER FROM FEE DATE
Gareth Barry Aston Villa £12,000,000 01 Jul, 2009
Roque Santa Cruz Blackburn £17,500,000 01 Jul, 2009
Dedryck Boyata FC Brussels Trainee 01 Jul, 2009
Stuart Taylor Aston Villa Free 01 Jul, 2009
Carlos Tevez Man Utd £47,000,000 14 Jul, 2009
Emmanuel Adebayor Arsenal £25,000,000 19 Jul, 2009
Kolo Toure Arsenal £16,000,000 29 Jul, 2009
Sylvinho Barcelona Free 24 Aug, 2009
Joleon Lescott Everton £22,000,000 25 Aug, 2009
Patrick Vieira Inter Free 08 Jan, 2010
Adam Johnson Middlesbro £7,000,000 01 Feb, 2010
Jerome Boateng Hamburg £10,460,000 02 Jun, 2010
Alex Henshall Swindon £250,000 09 Jun, 2010
David Silva Valencia £26,000,000 30 Jun, 2010
Yaya Toure Barcelona £24,000,000 02 Jul, 2010
Albert Rusnak FC Kosice Signed 07 Jul, 2010
Total: £207,210,000

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By windows780 - 20-05-2013 13:30

Man Utd 2009/2010 Players in PLAYER FROM FEE DATE Luis Antonio Valencia Wigan £16,000,000 30 Jun, 2009 Michael Owen Newcastle Free 03 Jul, 2009 Gabriel Obertan Bordeaux £3,000,000 08 Jul, 2009 Mame Biram Diouf Molde Signed 17 Jul, 2009 Marnick Vermijl Standard Liege Signed 10 Mar, 2010 Chris Smalling Fulham £10,000,000 01 Jul, 2010 Total: £29,000,000 Players out PLAYER TO FEE DATE Cristiano Ronaldo Real Madrid £80,000,000 01 Jul, 2009 Daniel Galbraith Hibernian Free 01 Jul, 2009 Lee Martin Ipswich Signed 06 Jul, 2009 Fraizer Campbell Sunderland £3,500,000 11 Jul, 2009 Carlos Tevez Man City £47,000,000 14 Jul, 2009 Richard Eckersley Burnley Signed 15 Jul, 2009 Manucho Valladolid Signed 01 Aug, 2009 Danny Simpson Newcastle £750,000 20 Jan, 2010 Ben Foster Birmingham £6,000,000 18 May, 2010 Zoran Tosic CSKA Mosc. Signed 15 Jun, 2010 Tom Heaton Cardiff Free 16 Jun, 2010 Ron-Robert Zieler Hannover Free 01 Jul, 2010 Total: £137,250,000Man Utd 2009/2010
Players in
PLAYER FROM FEE DATE
Luis Antonio Valencia Wigan £16,000,000 30 Jun, 2009
Michael Owen Newcastle Free 03 Jul, 2009
Gabriel Obertan Bordeaux £3,000,000 08 Jul, 2009
Mame Biram Diouf Molde Signed 17 Jul, 2009
Marnick Vermijl Standard Liege Signed 10 Mar, 2010
Chris Smalling Fulham £10,000,000 01 Jul, 2010
Total: £29,000,000
Players out
PLAYER TO FEE DATE
Cristiano Ronaldo Real Madrid £80,000,000 01 Jul, 2009
Daniel Galbraith Hibernian Free 01 Jul, 2009
Lee Martin Ipswich Signed 06 Jul, 2009
Fraizer Campbell Sunderland £3,500,000 11 Jul, 2009
Carlos Tevez Man City £47,000,000 14 Jul, 2009
Richard Eckersley Burnley Signed 15 Jul, 2009
Manucho Valladolid Signed 01 Aug, 2009
Danny Simpson Newcastle £750,000 20 Jan, 2010
Ben Foster Birmingham £6,000,000 18 May, 2010
Zoran Tosic CSKA Mosc. Signed 15 Jun, 2010
Tom Heaton Cardiff Free 16 Jun, 2010
Ron-Robert Zieler Hannover Free 01 Jul, 2010
Total: £137,250,000

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 20-05-2013 15:50

he also didnt mention City now did he? your claiming to be producing nothing but facts. have a look at the other perspective, im sure the rest of the thread your arguing against alone are all on a secret vendetta against you, to make you look a fool. everyone here has produced pleanty of facts to support their arguments, thats what this is an argument. everyone has their opinions they are very unlikely to change in such an subjective issue. if you wernt so biased and actually looked at our aruments at face value you would see we have a point, again can you point to a more successful group of young players than Uniteds 92 youth cup winners?he also didnt mention City now did he? your claiming to be producing nothing but facts. have a look at the other perspective, im sure the rest of the thread your arguing against alone are all on a secret vendetta against you, to make you look a fool.

everyone here has produced pleanty of facts to support their arguments, thats what this is an argument. everyone has their opinions they are very unlikely to change in such an subjective issue.

if you wernt so biased and actually looked at our aruments at face value you would see we have a point, again can you point to a more successful group of young players than Uniteds 92 youth cup winners?

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 20-05-2013 21:09

any group of youths that Barca has produced, especially their first CL title, if you werent such a sir alex groupie, you could see that, I can easily admit that Barca has the best youth academy on the planet, i'm the only non bias hereany group of youths that Barca has produced, especially their first CL title, if you werent such a sir alex groupie, you could see that, I can easily admit that Barca has the best youth academy on the planet, i'm the only non bias here

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 20-05-2013 22:07

any group barca have produced? so despite only having real success in the last 10 years any group through la masia is gold? all those sides that won little and bowed down to madrid are better than englands best ever. well done youve ruined your own argument with genric generalisations. the current barca side is very, very good. but they arent without mistakes. take 2 of their best players fabregas and Pique while starting their careers at barca moved to arsenal and united respectivly for their formulative years, their true development happened in England. if Reina goes back in the summer, he too will have found his best devlopment away from catalonia. anything but united, yeah that truely lacks bias.any group barca have produced? so despite only having real success in the last 10 years any group through la masia is gold? all those sides that won little and bowed down to madrid are better than englands best ever. well done youve ruined your own argument with genric generalisations.

the current barca side is very, very good. but they arent without mistakes. take 2 of their best players fabregas and Pique while starting their careers at barca moved to arsenal and united respectivly for their formulative years, their true development happened in England. if Reina goes back in the summer, he too will have found his best devlopment away from catalonia.

rockstarroberts wrote:

i'm the only non bias here

anything but united, yeah that truely lacks bias.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 20-05-2013 22:13

you're seriously going to try and say that fabregas and pique were produced in England? unrealyou're seriously going to try and say that fabregas and pique were produced in England? unreal

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By rockstarroberts - 20-05-2013 22:15

they won their first CL in the 90's. stop trollingthey won their first CL in the 90's. stop trolling

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By mrbling - 20-05-2013 22:34

barca won their first in the 90s but no sustained success till now. domestic rivals madrid have 9 european titles. in the same vein, united won their first in the 1960s. would have likely won more if not for the munich air disaster. and no im not trolling. barca sold them thinking they wouldnt make the grade. they head to england and become 2 of the most coveted players in world football, and you claim theres no link. the clear troll in this thread is you.barca won their first in the 90s but no sustained success till now. domestic rivals madrid have 9 european titles.

in the same vein, united won their first in the 1960s. would have likely won more if not for the munich air disaster. and no im not trolling. barca sold them thinking they wouldnt make the grade. they head to england and become 2 of the most coveted players in world football, and you claim theres no link. the clear troll in this thread is you.

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By rockstarroberts - 20-05-2013 22:51

Barca produced them, they simply played in England, they werent developed in England, see the differenceBarca produced them, they simply played in England, they werent developed in England, see the difference

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By mrbling - 20-05-2013 23:02

pique joined united in 2004, age - 17 returning to barcelona in 2008, age 21 Fabregas joined Arsenal in 2003, age - 16 returning to barcelona in 2011, age 24 a good portion of their devlopment occured here, it wasnt simply a stock gap where they clearly improved for barca to deem their transfers worthy of sanction. as youve already revealed you city allegance and have clearly been swept up in the barca media storm (not saying im not a fan but they're not quite all they're cracked up to be) how many players can you name to have gone into the barca team pre Puyol. not including guardiola. hard mode no google searching. whereas people worldwide can name players that have come through the united ranks, im betting you can name few barca individuals.pique joined united in 2004, age - 17 returning to barcelona in 2008, age 21
Fabregas joined Arsenal in 2003, age - 16 returning to barcelona in 2011, age 24

a good portion of their devlopment occured here, it wasnt simply a stock gap where they clearly improved for barca to deem their transfers worthy of sanction.

as youve already revealed you city allegance and have clearly been swept up in the barca media storm (not saying im not a fan but they're not quite all they're cracked up to be) how many players can you name to have gone into the barca team pre Puyol. not including guardiola. hard mode no google searching. whereas people worldwide can name players that have come through the united ranks, im betting you can name few barca individuals.

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By rockstarroberts - 21-05-2013 01:18

the majority of united players produced arent even world class, I've simply said that City will have the best youth academy in England since they're on the risethe majority of united players produced arent even world class, I've simply said that City will have the best youth academy in England since they're on the rise

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By tosspot - 21-05-2013 08:22

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Didn't Messi arrive at Barca aged 11 or 12? I'd say that's a pretty good product.Didn't Messi arrive at Barca aged 11 or 12?

I'd say that's a pretty good product.

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By grinner - 21-05-2013 12:54

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Dont be silly toss, Messi just played in Spain for Barca he wasnt produced or nurtured by them in any way. He was produced in Argentina at Newells Old Boys, see the difference?Dont be silly toss, Messi just played in Spain for Barca he wasnt produced or nurtured by them in any way. He was produced in Argentina at Newells Old Boys, see the difference?

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By safctillidie - 21-05-2013 18:03

so man utd can spend a they want as since they spent big before most then gained huge support abroad due to spending big and winning things and as a result generate more sponsorship money? so basically they done what Chelsea, man city , etc are trying to do now but since they done it first its fine? also man city aren't a club in debt, their owner pays the signings and man city don't suffer because of it.... whereas man utd are half a billion in debt, through loans taken out to buy the club (in effect the glazer family pay the debt off through the club, therefore got man utd for next to nothing) and yet spend huge amounts on players? that's what shouldn't be allowed. if your in that much debt, how can you justify spending the amounts you do............so man utd can spend a they want as since they spent big before most then gained huge support abroad due to spending big and winning things and as a result generate more sponsorship money?

so basically they done what Chelsea, man city , etc are trying to do now but since they done it first its fine?

also man city aren't a club in debt, their owner pays the signings and man city don't suffer because of it.... whereas man utd are half a billion in debt, through loans taken out to buy the club (in effect the glazer family pay the debt off through the club, therefore got man utd for next to nothing) and yet spend huge amounts on players? that's what shouldn't be allowed. if your in that much debt, how can you justify spending the amounts you do............

Y'all talking some hawrse shyt

By celticvilla - 21-05-2013 23:44

...Some of y'all saying that son of fergus is the best manager... Nope......Some of y'all saying that son of fergus is the best manager... Nope...

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By sephiroth - 22-05-2013 00:14

Time will tellTime will tell

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 22-05-2013 01:04

its the income SAFC, United will always earn, their financial reports show growth. the debt is considered owner debt. the club turn a profit which is the benchmark for FFP sadly that debt ends up servicing a debt leveraged upon the club in order purchase the club a situation that shouldnt have been allowed tbh. if he didnt have them money how can he justify such large loans. though if the desire to purchase a player arises as the glazers appear to be in for the long haul they can redirect finances in order to accomodate. whereas the likes of city, they have little relative income and have been making annual losses in the quatari era. entirly bankrolled by personal wealth, outside the club itself surely a far greater evil for football no?its the income SAFC, United will always earn, their financial reports show growth. the debt is considered owner debt. the club turn a profit which is the benchmark for FFP sadly that debt ends up servicing a debt leveraged upon the club in order purchase the club a situation that shouldnt have been allowed tbh. if he didnt have them money how can he justify such large loans. though if the desire to purchase a player arises as the glazers appear to be in for the long haul they can redirect finances in order to accomodate.

whereas the likes of city, they have little relative income and have been making annual losses in the quatari era. entirly bankrolled by personal wealth, outside the club itself surely a far greater evil for football no?

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 22-05-2013 01:18

two rich owners, but somehow one is worse than the other? that's your logic..two rich owners, but somehow one is worse than the other? that's your logic..

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 22-05-2013 01:58

glazer isnt investing his own money, hes reinvesting the clubs money. how do you not get that? united teams have been built with the cash the club has generated. have they ever been owned by a multibillionaire pumping cash in. no. if they had City etc wouldnt stand a chanceglazer isnt investing his own money, hes reinvesting the clubs money. how do you not get that? united teams have been built with the cash the club has generated. have they ever been owned by a multibillionaire pumping cash in. no. if they had City etc wouldnt stand a chance

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By geddin - 22-05-2013 02:53

How M.UTD sold the club to the Glazers is beyond anyone. How can they not know they were in debt, bet they're (Glazers) running a ponzi scheme of some sort and needs a business thats guaranteed to generate income to pay off their debts. Man U is a world wide brand more than any other team in the world, and thats not going to change, they have a license to print money, providing they're in the premiership they will always generate income.

mrbling wrote:

glazer isnt investing his own money, hes reinvesting the clubs money. how do you not get that? united teams have been built with the cash the club has generated. have they ever been owned by a multibillionaire pumping cash in. no. if they had City etc wouldnt stand a chance

How M.UTD sold the club to the Glazers is beyond anyone. How can they not know they were in debt, bet they're (Glazers) running a ponzi scheme of some sort and needs a business thats guaranteed to generate income to pay off their debts.

Man U is a world wide brand more than any other team in the world, and thats not going to change, they have a license to print money, providing they're in the premiership they will always generate income.

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By rockstarroberts - 22-05-2013 03:34

Real Madrid just took over as world's most valuable sports teamReal Madrid just took over as world's most valuable sports team

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 22-05-2013 12:14

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/01/27/manchester-united-becomes-first-team-valued-at-3-billion/http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/01/27/manchester-united-becomes-first-team-valued-at-3-billion/

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By rockstarroberts - 22-05-2013 17:18

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/04/17/soccers-most-valuable-teams-real-madrid-dethrones-manchester-united-from-top-spot-at-3-3-billion/http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/04/17/soccers-most-valuable-teams-real-madrid-dethrones-manchester-united-from-top-spot-at-3-3-billion/

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By mrbling - 22-05-2013 19:13

fair enough. hadnt seen that. thanks for the update. just had a little look through. glas to see united are still worth over 5 times Cityfair enough. hadnt seen that. thanks for the update.

just had a little look through. glas to see united are still worth over 5 times City

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By rockstarroberts - 22-05-2013 20:45

everyone needs a consolation prize after losingeveryone needs a consolation prize after losing

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 22-05-2013 22:00

youve managed to refute one of my arguments. united are still hardly worthless are they, the percentage difference is minimalyouve managed to refute one of my arguments. united are still hardly worthless are they, the percentage difference is minimal

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By rockstarroberts - 22-05-2013 23:50

lose with grace mrblinglose with grace mrbling

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By tosspot - 22-05-2013 23:56

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All you've proved is that Manchester United are the 2nd best club in the world. Man City have no history. They are showing signs of improvement, but it'll be 10 years or more before they could be considered a top club rather than a top team. Heed your own advice :)All you've proved is that Manchester United are the 2nd best club in the world.

Man City have no history. They are showing signs of improvement, but it'll be 10 years or more before they could be considered a top club rather than a top team.

Heed your own advice :)

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 22-05-2013 23:56

battle. war.battle. war.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 23-05-2013 00:05

in addittion. the essays ive managed to record on the subject in this thread. i never mentioned united as the most valuable. i said they made money. they clearly still do. by far the most in the UK my point was united will remain the top side in the UK thanks to the FFP rules locking out new owner money. which means the ends of the likes of chelsea city and even blackburn rovers (sorry nomercy). alot of my points you have simply ignored. if you go through every post of mine. and somehow refute each claim. or at least 50% succesfully then you may claim victory but 1 in 20 doesnt mean your victory.in addittion. the essays ive managed to record on the subject in this thread. i never mentioned united as the most valuable. i said they made money. they clearly still do. by far the most in the UK my point was united will remain the top side in the UK thanks to the FFP rules locking out new owner money. which means the ends of the likes of chelsea city and even blackburn rovers (sorry nomercy).

alot of my points you have simply ignored. if you go through every post of mine. and somehow refute each claim. or at least 50% succesfully then you may claim victory but 1 in 20 doesnt mean your victory.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 23-05-2013 03:55

no, toss, they are the second most valuable club in the world, but they are not the second best football club in the world, see the difference? checkmateno, toss, they are the second most valuable club in the world, but they are not the second best football club in the world, see the difference? checkmate

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 23-05-2013 03:57

the two best clubs in the world are playing in the champions league final against each other, once again, checkmatethe two best clubs in the world are playing in the champions league final against each other, once again, checkmate

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 23-05-2013 11:39

best can be attributed in a multitude of forms. in modern football its arguable that financial powwer outweighs onfield success. just ask arsene wenger. toss is right. CL final is europe. not the world. clearly american. what with winning the world series or superbowl is considered a world title. last year chelsea managed to fluke their way to the CL crown and the subsequent season dropped out at the group stage. you not going to claim chelsea are the best team in the wordl as current CL holders are you? hey im just replicating your own flawed logic. Checkmate (see how irritating that is) also if you really want to win an argument. lesson one. you really need to make your resoponses much more developed a one line reponse to one issue raised by the opposing arguer doeesnt really convey even the illusion you know what your talking about which you clearly dont.best can be attributed in a multitude of forms. in modern football its arguable that financial powwer outweighs onfield success. just ask arsene wenger. toss is right.

CL final is europe. not the world. clearly american. what with winning the world series or superbowl is considered a world title. last year chelsea managed to fluke their way to the CL crown and the subsequent season dropped out at the group stage. you not going to claim chelsea are the best team in the wordl as current CL holders are you? hey im just replicating your own flawed logic. Checkmate (see how irritating that is)

also if you really want to win an argument. lesson one. you really need to make your resoponses much more developed a one line reponse to one issue raised by the opposing arguer doeesnt really convey even the illusion you know what your talking about which you clearly dont.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 23-05-2013 14:39

you're trying to continue an argument you already lost, Munich would manhandle United, same with Dortmund, at the moment, these are the two best clubs in the world, carry on ladsyou're trying to continue an argument you already lost, Munich would manhandle United, same with Dortmund, at the moment, these are the two best clubs in the world, carry on lads

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 23-05-2013 22:41

clearly the words of a man with no counter argument, clinging to the tiniest of successful points.clearly the words of a man with no counter argument, clinging to the tiniest of successful points.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By rockstarroberts - 23-05-2013 22:43

words of a man you cant beat, the only teams outside of Europe that come close to these two are in South America, I win, you lose, that's how it goeswords of a man you cant beat, the only teams outside of Europe that come close to these two are in South America, I win, you lose, that's how it goes

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By windows780 - 24-05-2013 18:06

Has David Moyes made his first big mistake in getting rid of Mike Phelan ? I know managers like to bring in their own people but in Phelan he had someone who knows the club and players inside out.Will be interesting to see who he brings in to replace him.Has David Moyes made his first big mistake in getting rid of Mike Phelan ?
I know managers like to bring in their own people but in Phelan he had someone who knows the club and players inside out.Will be interesting to see who he brings in to replace him.

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By mrbling - 25-05-2013 20:49

its probably the right move. he needs to surround himself with his own people if hes going to make a success of it. he could have been useful to be kept on but hed obviously been demoted from number 2, something hes unlikely to be happy with and is looking to move into top management. good luck to the both of themits probably the right move. he needs to surround himself with his own people if hes going to make a success of it. he could have been useful to be kept on but hed obviously been demoted from number 2, something hes unlikely to be happy with and is looking to move into top management. good luck to the both of them

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 01-06-2013 19:14

[MZ]

Lets just hope that Moyes will find good replacements that are as good as themLets just hope that Moyes will find good replacements that are as good as them

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By safctillidie - 08-06-2013 16:18

''By Red Supporter mrbling 21-05-2013 00:04 its the income SAFC, United will always earn'' this si simply due to the fact they were the first big spenders and got their reputation in foreign countries by spending big and having the best. then when they have the fans abroad they can gain more money, allowing them to spend biger again on players...... if man city keep spending for years and so do Chelsea, their fan base (as a result of success) will then enable them to spend whilst remaining in the FFP rules. problem with united is they think since they done it first nobody should be allowed to compete and should just roll over and let them spend biggest and win most........''By Red Supporter mrbling 21-05-2013 00:04

its the income SAFC, United will always earn''

this si simply due to the fact they were the first big spenders and got their reputation in foreign countries by spending big and having the best. then when they have the fans abroad they can gain more money, allowing them to spend biger again on players......

if man city keep spending for years and so do Chelsea, their fan base (as a result of success) will then enable them to spend whilst remaining in the FFP rules.

problem with united is they think since they done it first nobody should be allowed to compete and should just roll over and let them spend biggest and win most........

Re: Is David Moyes the right man for man-utd???

By gamersrule - 09-06-2013 00:36

[MZ]

No the difference is that United have done it successfully while the others are failing. Also United have owners sucking money from the club and reinvesting part of it but city and chelsea have owners that pump money into the club. The reason man-utd are successful isnt because of just titls but fanbase, Liverpool were the powerhouse of titles and they have huge champions league success but look at them now... failed to make europe. Manchester United owners had a clear plan to split the club and get sponsors everywhere, the risk was high as they borrowed 800m and has high interest to pay but it worked and the owners are raking up the rewards. I doubt any club will get revenues of man-utd in the premier league. Yes man-utd spend a lot but they spend what they have in the club rather than digging a hole in the pockets of their owners and thats why they are more successful than Chelsea and City both on and off the pitch (business side of things) Good dayNo the difference is that United have done it successfully while the others are failing. Also United have owners sucking money from the club and reinvesting part of it but city and chelsea have owners that pump money into the club. The reason man-utd are successful isnt because of just titls but fanbase, Liverpool were the powerhouse of titles and they have huge champions league success but look at them now... failed to make europe. Manchester United owners had a clear plan to split the club and get sponsors everywhere, the risk was high as they borrowed 800m and has high interest to pay but it worked and the owners are raking up the rewards. I doubt any club will get revenues of man-utd in the premier league. Yes man-utd spend a lot but they spend what they have in the club rather than digging a hole in the pockets of their owners and thats why they are more successful than Chelsea and City both on and off the pitch (business side of things) Good day

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