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Beckham for the Olympics?

By kingjaime - 20-01-2012 20:40

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He clearly covets the possibility. It's written into his new LA contract apparently, that he be allowed to participate, and he's stated on numerous occasions his desire to be involved, including as captain. Here is my view: David Beckham should not be anywhere close to selection. Here is why: David Beckham will be 37 by the time of the Olympics. It is over 2 years since David Beckham was selected to play for England. In 2010, Fabio Capello effectively ruled out anything but a farewell friendly as a reason to select Beckham again. I've not heard anyone of real standing within the game disagreeing with that stance. Mainly: We'll be allowed just 3 players aged over-23 in the squad. Even setting aside those who will go to Euro 2012, who will not be considered, are we seriously believing that Beckham is amongst the 3 "best of the rest"?! I consider it is an ugly matter of ego on his part. Or incredible self-delusion if he really believes he would be amongst the top 3 of all eligible over-23 players that might be selected... I also feel it'd be a statement by "Team GB" that their interest will be more in marketing and profile than actually trying to win the competition. Sure Beckham on posters will increase attention and coverage, but I seriously disbelieve his involvement improves our chances of winning. Anyway. Enough of my thoughts. What are yours? Should he go?He clearly covets the possibility. It's written into his new LA contract apparently, that he be allowed to participate, and he's stated on numerous occasions his desire to be involved, including as captain.

Here is my view:
David Beckham should not be anywhere close to selection.

Here is why:
David Beckham will be 37 by the time of the Olympics.
It is over 2 years since David Beckham was selected to play for England.
In 2010, Fabio Capello effectively ruled out anything but a farewell friendly as a reason to select Beckham again. I've not heard anyone of real standing within the game disagreeing with that stance.

Mainly:
We'll be allowed just 3 players aged over-23 in the squad. Even setting aside those who will go to Euro 2012, who will not be considered, are we seriously believing that Beckham is amongst the 3 "best of the rest"?!

I consider it is an ugly matter of ego on his part. Or incredible self-delusion if he really believes he would be amongst the top 3 of all eligible over-23 players that might be selected...

I also feel it'd be a statement by "Team GB" that their interest will be more in marketing and profile than actually trying to win the competition. Sure Beckham on posters will increase attention and coverage, but I seriously disbelieve his involvement improves our chances of winning.


Anyway. Enough of my thoughts. What are yours? Should he go?

 

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Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By nikolazpsadmin - 20-01-2012 22:53

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Undoubtedly, Beckham is a really big name for English football. As a neutral fan, Id like to see him in the Olympic Tournament. But If I was a Brit... I dont know what I would wish for. Btw, I love the idea of a GB team. If the right players of all countries and not only England are selected, they can even get the gold medal. UK national teams in under 21 level are awesome.Undoubtedly, Beckham is a really big name for English football. As a neutral fan, Id like to see him in the Olympic Tournament. But If I was a Brit... I dont know what I would wish for.

Btw, I love the idea of a GB team. If the right players of all countries and not only England are selected, they can even get the gold medal. UK national teams in under 21 level are awesome.

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 20-01-2012 23:44

I think you gotta give names for those 3 spots. I think the Olympics are as much show, on a global scale, as they are sport. Tickets must be sold, and even if your team loses, having millions of people from around the globe watching your team play is never a bad move, as you pointed out.I think you gotta give names for those 3 spots.

I think the Olympics are as much show, on a global scale, as they are sport. Tickets must be sold, and even if your team loses, having millions of people from around the globe watching your team play is never a bad move, as you pointed out.

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By kingjaime - 21-01-2012 01:20

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Off the top of my head, assuming they don't rule themselves out or (in England player cases) receive surprise call-ups for Euro 2012, I'd go for... (1) Paul Robinson I don't see any especially promising young goalkeepers, and I consider Robinson should actually be in the full England frame, perhaps even first choice. (2) Craig Bellamy A devastating player on his day, works hard, speedy, skillful. (3a) Joe Cole Excellent form with Lille. His continuing omission from England's NT is a great shame imo. One of the most skillful British midfielders of his generation and a good worker to boot. (3b) Scott Parker Fantastic work-rate, disciplined, criminally ignored by England NT. He'd be an asset to anyone and a solid captain. I think Joe Ledley and Chris Brunt would both also be better choices than Beckham. In fact, considering Beckham's not going to play anywhere but midfield, here is a selection of those eligible as under-23s and either definitely or most likely not going to Euro 2012... Aaron Ramsey, Gareth Bale, Barry Bannan, James Forrest, Marc Albrighton, Jack Rodwell, Tom Cleverley, Jordan Henderson, Jack Wilshere (although it's hard to imagine him being omitted from Euro 2012 squad), Jake Livermore, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Josh McEachran, Ross Barkley, Jonjo Shelvey... There's a lot of those I'd pick ahead of Beckham, let alone when you open it up to include over-23s.Off the top of my head, assuming they don't rule themselves out or (in England player cases) receive surprise call-ups for Euro 2012, I'd go for...
(1) Paul Robinson
I don't see any especially promising young goalkeepers, and I consider Robinson should actually be in the full England frame, perhaps even first choice.
(2) Craig Bellamy
A devastating player on his day, works hard, speedy, skillful.
(3a) Joe Cole
Excellent form with Lille. His continuing omission from England's NT is a great shame imo. One of the most skillful British midfielders of his generation and a good worker to boot.
(3b) Scott Parker
Fantastic work-rate, disciplined, criminally ignored by England NT. He'd be an asset to anyone and a solid captain.

I think Joe Ledley and Chris Brunt would both also be better choices than Beckham.

In fact, considering Beckham's not going to play anywhere but midfield, here is a selection of those eligible as under-23s and either definitely or most likely not going to Euro 2012...
Aaron Ramsey, Gareth Bale, Barry Bannan, James Forrest, Marc Albrighton, Jack Rodwell, Tom Cleverley, Jordan Henderson, Jack Wilshere (although it's hard to imagine him being omitted from Euro 2012 squad), Jake Livermore, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Josh McEachran, Ross Barkley, Jonjo Shelvey...

There's a lot of those I'd pick ahead of Beckham, let alone when you open it up to include over-23s.

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By heddo - 21-01-2012 03:29

it has always been about lauding, and finishing second, and being good losers, and warming to the underdog, and clapping home the loser, people should look into this guy, he is just about dollars, he had the most predictable right foot, no, just tell him no, no, danny murphy is a footballer that deserves some kind of credit, and take away all the hype, and he can stand along side beckham any day..it has always been about lauding, and finishing second, and being good losers, and warming to the underdog, and clapping home the loser, people should look into this guy, he is just about dollars, he had the most predictable right foot, no, just tell him no, no, danny murphy is a footballer that deserves some kind of credit, and take away all the hype, and he can stand along side beckham any day..

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 21-01-2012 05:23

So Beckham should respectfully decline even before offered. Do you let the day before the list arrive before you decline? I mean, the attention to the squad is always nice, what with a bit of suspense, and if your Beck, you have to enjoy the spotlight as well. Well, I think I just talked myself into it, yes. If your Beck, you have to officially decline in the day before the list is released, that way you have all the talk up, with no let down, and the squad gets the attention they want as well (well the management anyhow). Really, to a guy like Beckham, with almost regular cup experience, an invite to the Olympics does seem a bit like being called on to play for the college that gave you an honorary degree. Flattering but insulting at the same time, since it's a bit under your skill. Perhaps as a coach?So Beckham should respectfully decline even before offered. Do you let the day before the list arrive before you decline? I mean, the attention to the squad is always nice, what with a bit of suspense, and if your Beck, you have to enjoy the spotlight as well. Well, I think I just talked myself into it, yes.

If your Beck, you have to officially decline in the day before the list is released, that way you have all the talk up, with no let down, and the squad gets the attention they want as well (well the management anyhow).

Really, to a guy like Beckham, with almost regular cup experience, an invite to the Olympics does seem a bit like being called on to play for the college that gave you an honorary degree. Flattering but insulting at the same time, since it's a bit under your skill. Perhaps as a coach?

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By kingjaime - 21-01-2012 19:50

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Plenty of players have declined call-ups or indeed retired from international football because they had a personal sense of whether they were able to perform and worthy of a place. Paul Scholes and especially Alan Shearer for example. I don't think Beckham should pre-emptively decline (although that would've been welcome) so much as not so overtly pursue and covet selection, because it potentially puts marketing pressure and, from some international quarters, fan pressure, behind the idea of him being selected. In either situation, I'd be disappointed in the Team GB management for selecting him. Ideally they would've pre-emptively ruled out selecting him, although I understand why they wouldn't given they don't know how many others may rule themselves out. "I think the Olympics are as much show, on a global scale, as they are sport. Tickets must be sold, and even if your team loses, having millions of people from around the globe watching your team play is never a bad move" That's exactly the potential mentality I think they should avoid. People will always watch football at the Olympics, certainly with Team GB actually fielding a team, I imagine most British people will be keenly interested, and other worldwide fans curious, since any sort of collective British team hasn't been seen in over 60 years. I don't see any other sports where a lesser athlete is selected on the basis they'll be a bigger draw...Plenty of players have declined call-ups or indeed retired from international football because they had a personal sense of whether they were able to perform and worthy of a place. Paul Scholes and especially Alan Shearer for example.

I don't think Beckham should pre-emptively decline (although that would've been welcome) so much as not so overtly pursue and covet selection, because it potentially puts marketing pressure and, from some international quarters, fan pressure, behind the idea of him being selected. In either situation, I'd be disappointed in the Team GB management for selecting him. Ideally they would've pre-emptively ruled out selecting him, although I understand why they wouldn't given they don't know how many others may rule themselves out.

"I think the Olympics are as much show, on a global scale, as they are sport. Tickets must be sold, and even if your team loses, having millions of people from around the globe watching your team play is never a bad move"
That's exactly the potential mentality I think they should avoid. People will always watch football at the Olympics, certainly with Team GB actually fielding a team, I imagine most British people will be keenly interested, and other worldwide fans curious, since any sort of collective British team hasn't been seen in over 60 years. I don't see any other sports where a lesser athlete is selected on the basis they'll be a bigger draw...

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 21-01-2012 20:59

Considering ya'll host this set of games, it's not too surprising if an aging "star" player were invited solely for name recognition. Olympic venues ain't cheap. Heck, my fav town Indianapolis is hosting the Superbowl, and that US based event already took millions in town budget expenses for one venue. No, you'll sell out London seats for Olympic football no matter who plays, but the real money is in the global TV exposure. Gotta have those matches watched in pubs around the world, not just North Hampton and the competing nations. As a strategic question, would he be a capable captain as he desires? Not the key go-to player, but the unifying force de jour? Would his attitude fit with a youthful squad? Also, would the experience of playing w/ an aged Beckham help or harm an English run for the next World Cup (or Scottish, Wales, etc)?Considering ya'll host this set of games, it's not too surprising if an aging "star" player were invited solely for name recognition. Olympic venues ain't cheap. Heck, my fav town Indianapolis is hosting the Superbowl, and that US based event already took millions in town budget expenses for one venue.

No, you'll sell out London seats for Olympic football no matter who plays, but the real money is in the global TV exposure. Gotta have those matches watched in pubs around the world, not just North Hampton and the competing nations.

As a strategic question, would he be a capable captain as he desires? Not the key go-to player, but the unifying force de jour? Would his attitude fit with a youthful squad?

Also, would the experience of playing w/ an aged Beckham help or harm an English run for the next World Cup (or Scottish, Wales, etc)?

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By jamie1976 - 22-01-2012 19:22

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Beckham won the Olympics for London in the first place, he is respected world wide and would generate interest in the home GB team like no one else. If he can add something he should be allowed to be part of it.Beckham won the Olympics for London in the first place, he is respected world wide and would generate interest in the home GB team like no one else.

If he can add something he should be allowed to be part of it.

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By jamie1976 - 22-01-2012 19:31

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You go one of two ways, treat it as an England U23 Team as Patrick Barclay says, or you create a team of players from Great Britain that will generate interest. I think that you should go the later way. For me you have to also consider which players will be released by their clubs. Beckham will captain the side, no question. Bale is the key player to get involved along with prehaps Wilshire and Ramsey. The Scots have said any player that makes themselves available will never play for Scotland again. So there is no point naming people like Bannan. Also McEarchan, and I am a Chelsea fan, has done nothing yet.You go one of two ways, treat it as an England U23 Team as Patrick Barclay says, or you create a team of players from Great Britain that will generate interest. I think that you should go the later way.

For me you have to also consider which players will be released by their clubs.

Beckham will captain the side, no question. Bale is the key player to get involved along with prehaps Wilshire and Ramsey. The Scots have said any player that makes themselves available will never play for Scotland again. So there is no point naming people like Bannan.

Also McEarchan, and I am a Chelsea fan, has done nothing yet.

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 22-01-2012 20:05

"The Scots have said any player that makes themselves available will never play for Scotland again" wtf? what's that about?"The Scots have said any player that makes themselves available will never play for Scotland again"
wtf? what's that about?

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By kingjaime - 22-01-2012 20:13

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"Beckham won the Olympics for London in the first place, he is respected world wide and would generate interest in the home GB team like no one else." The former is contentious but the others reiterate the question of whether those things should be treated as more important than giving ourselves a best chance of winning. He would add something, no doubt, but it's whether he'd add more to the competitiveness of the team than someone else. With the restriction to 3 over-23s, if he's in it'll be at the expense of another over-23. McEachran and Ross Barkley are more marginal, although still time they might come to the fore. If the Scots have taken that stance, a bit disappointing although I don't rate Bannan much and Forrest isn't anything all that special. But let's say we save our over-23s for a defender, a striker and perhaps goalkeeper. Restricting just to under-23s, our midfield could be... 4-man: (LM) Gareth Bale, (CM) Jack Rodwell, (CM) Aaron Ramsey, (RM) Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (or Marc Albrighton or Jonjo Shelvey) 3-man: (LCM) Gareth Bale, (CM) Jack Rodwell, (RCM) Aaron Ramsey If we "spend" an over-23 place there, I'd be significantly more encouraged to see Joe Cole come in on the right, attacking, or Scott Parker to anchor and defend. I suppose I'm repeating myself. I'll just be very disappointed if we end up with some "marquee selection" like 37 year-old David Beckham, 38 year-old Ryan Giggs and say 41 year-old David Weir or 34 year-old Barry Ferguson (international careers with Scotland either officially or basically over anyway and so probably an ideal choice to pander to Scots and increase interest and marketability there...) It wouldn't surprise me, I'd just be disappointed. And I'd imagine them being carried by the rest of the team. Any potential victory almost coming in-spite of their presence."Beckham won the Olympics for London in the first place, he is respected world wide and would generate interest in the home GB team like no one else."

The former is contentious but the others reiterate the question of whether those things should be treated as more important than giving ourselves a best chance of winning. He would add something, no doubt, but it's whether he'd add more to the competitiveness of the team than someone else. With the restriction to 3 over-23s, if he's in it'll be at the expense of another over-23.

McEachran and Ross Barkley are more marginal, although still time they might come to the fore. If the Scots have taken that stance, a bit disappointing although I don't rate Bannan much and Forrest isn't anything all that special.

But let's say we save our over-23s for a defender, a striker and perhaps goalkeeper. Restricting just to under-23s, our midfield could be...

4-man: (LM) Gareth Bale, (CM) Jack Rodwell, (CM) Aaron Ramsey, (RM) Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (or Marc Albrighton or Jonjo Shelvey)
3-man: (LCM) Gareth Bale, (CM) Jack Rodwell, (RCM) Aaron Ramsey

If we "spend" an over-23 place there, I'd be significantly more encouraged to see Joe Cole come in on the right, attacking, or Scott Parker to anchor and defend.

I suppose I'm repeating myself. I'll just be very disappointed if we end up with some "marquee selection" like 37 year-old David Beckham, 38 year-old Ryan Giggs and say 41 year-old David Weir or 34 year-old Barry Ferguson (international careers with Scotland either officially or basically over anyway and so probably an ideal choice to pander to Scots and increase interest and marketability there...)

It wouldn't surprise me, I'd just be disappointed. And I'd imagine them being carried by the rest of the team. Any potential victory almost coming in-spite of their presence.

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 22-01-2012 20:24

Listen, next olympic games, I want a Team Texas, a Team Commonwealth of Virginia, a team USA, AND a team Massachusetts. Just for starters.. bunch of whiny separatist overpowered self-protecting ninnies. shoulda gave up the stupid FIFA home rule BS years ago. Ruin a young man or woman's chance to shine, because of your concern for a voting position?? Get on with separating yourselve's completely from the UK and then come talk to us... farking protectionist shallow-minded racist dog-people. /rantListen, next olympic games, I want a Team Texas, a Team Commonwealth of Virginia, a team USA, AND a team Massachusetts. Just for starters..

bunch of whiny separatist overpowered self-protecting ninnies. shoulda gave up the stupid FIFA home rule BS years ago.

Ruin a young man or woman's chance to shine, because of your concern for a voting position?? Get on with separating yourselve's completely from the UK and then come talk to us... farking protectionist shallow-minded racist dog-people.
/rant

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By mosmosmos - 23-01-2012 03:19

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And a not particularly bright American. No surprise there then. Not so bothered about it. Stick Beckham, Giggs and Given in net. Jordan Rhodes up front with Welbeck. Wilshere, Ramsay, Bale and Albrighton in midfield. Jones, Smalling, Clark and someone else in defenceAnd a not particularly bright American. No surprise there then.

Not so bothered about it.

Stick Beckham, Giggs and Given in net.

Jordan Rhodes up front with Welbeck.

Wilshere, Ramsay, Bale and Albrighton in midfield.

Jones, Smalling, Clark and someone else in defence

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 23-01-2012 04:11

Bugger off man floppies. Your nation is 5 nations in one, and you compete with all of them. If we did that with all the Nations we once had here, you wouldn't stand a chance at anything.Bugger off man floppies. Your nation is 5 nations in one, and you compete with all of them. If we did that with all the Nations we once had here, you wouldn't stand a chance at anything.

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 23-01-2012 04:12

We could field a nation for every native tribe, each one of the thirteen colonies, Texas AND Hawaii. Go ahead and count them up if you like. Those tribal nations are still there, mostly...We could field a nation for every native tribe, each one of the thirteen colonies, Texas AND Hawaii. Go ahead and count them up if you like. Those tribal nations are still there, mostly...

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 23-01-2012 04:47

Here, a list of A-La of all US recognized TRIBES in the US. I'll let you try to figure out how many nations these tribes represent. Imagine every single one of these tribes with its own team in every international sporting event and with a vote as well. And these are just those in the US. Nevermind Africa, S.America, Canada, Mexico, Australia, and a host of other "nations" who have long since been absorbed into larger nations. Absentee-Shawnee Tribe, Acoma Pueblo, Agua Caliente Tribe (Cahuila), Ak Chin Indian Community Council, Alabama-Coushatta Tribe of Texas, Alturas Rancheria, Apache Business Committee, Arapaho Business Council, Aroostook Band of Micmac Indians, Augustine Band of Mission Indians, Bad River Tribal Council, Barona Rancheria (Digueno), Battle Mountain Band Council, Bay Mills Executive Council, Bear River Band of Rohnerville Rancheria, Benton Paiute Reservation, Berry Creek Rancheria (Maidu), Big Bend Rancheria, Big Lagoon Rancheria, Big Pine General Council,Big Sandy Rancheria (Western Mono), Big Valley Rancheria, Bishop Tribal Council, Blackfeet Tribal Business Council, Blue Lake Rancheria, Bridgeport Indian Colony (Paiute), Buena Vista Rancheria (Miwok), Burns-Paiute General Council, Cabazon Band of Mission Indians, Caddo Tribal Council, Cahuilla Band of Mission Indians, California Valley Miwok Tribe, Campo Band of Mission Indians, Canoncito Band of Navajos, Capitan Grande Band of Diegueno Mission Indians, Carson Colony Community Council, Catawba Indian Nation, Cayuga Nation, Cedarville Rancheria (Northern Paiute), Chehalis Business Council, Chemehuevi Tribal Council, Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, Cheyenne-Arapaho Business Committee, Cheyenne River Sioux Tribal Council, Chickasaw Nation, Chicken Ranch Rancheria (Me-Wuk), Chippewa-Cree Business Committee, Chitimacha Tribal Council, Choctaw Nation, Citizen Band Potawatomi, Cloverdale Rancheria (Pomo), Cochiti Pueblo, Cocopah Tribal Council, Coeur D'Alene Tribal Council, Cold Springs Rancheria, Colorado River Tribal Council, Colusa Rancheria (Wintun), Colville Business Committee, Comanche Tribe, Confederated Salish and Kootenai, Confederated Tribes of Coos Lower, Confederated Tribes of Grande Ronde, Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla, Coquille Indian Tribe, Cortina Rancheria (Wintun), Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana, Covelo Community Council, Cow Creek Band of Umpqua Indians, Coyote Valley Reservation (Pomo), Creek Nation of Oklahoma, Creek Nation of Oklahoma, Creek Nation of Oklahoma, Crow Creek Sioux Tribal Council, Crow Tribal Council, Cuyapaipe Band of Mission Indians (Kumeyaay-Digueno), Delaware Tribe of East Oklahoma, Delaware Tribe of West Oklahoma, Devils Lake Sioux Tribal Council, Dry Creek Rancheria (Pomo), Duckwater Shoshone Tribal Council, Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, Elem Indian Colony of Pomo Indians, Elk Valley Rancheria (Tolowa), Elko Band of the Te-Moak Tribe, Ely Shoshone Tribe, Enterprise Rancheria, Fallon Paiute Shoshone Bus. Council, Flandreau Santee Sioux Exec. Comm., Forest Cnty Potawatomi Exec Council, Fort Belknap Community Council, Fort Berthold Tribal Bus. Council, Fort Bidwell Community Council(Paiute), Fort Hall Business Council (Shoshone-Bannock Tribes, Inc.), Fort Independence General Council (Paiute), Fort McDermitt Paiute-Shoshone Tribe, Fort McDowell Mohave-Apache Council, Fort Mojave Tribal Council(Mojave), Fort Peck Executive Board, Fort Sill Apache Tribe, Gila River Indian Community, Golden Hill Paugusset Tribe, Goshute Business Council, Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa, Greenville Rancheria (Maidu), Guidiville Rancheria (Pomo), Hannahville Indian Community, Habematolel Pomo of Upper Lake, Hannahville Community House, Havasupai Tribal Council, Ho-Chunk Nation, Hoh Tribal Business Council, Hoopa Valley Indian Reservation, Hopi Tribal Council, Hopland Rancheria (Pomo), Houlton Band of Maliseet Indians, Hualapai Tribal Council, Huron Potawatomi (Nottowaseppi), Inaja-Cosmit Band of Mission Indians (Digueno), Indian Township Reservation Louisiana (federally recognized), Inter-Tribal Council of Nevada, Ione Band of Miwok Indians, Iowa Tribe of Kansas and Nebraska, Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma, Isleta Pueblo, Jackson Rancheria (Mewuk-Miwok), Jamestown Band of S'Klallam Indians, Jamul Band of Mission Indians (Kumeyaay-Digueno), Jemez Pueblo, Jena Band of Choctaw Indians, Jicarilla Apache Tribal Council, Kaibab Paiute Tribal Council, Kalispel Business Committee, Karuk Tribe of California, Kashia Band of Pomo Indians of the Stewarts Point Rancheria, Kaw Tribe of Oklahoma, Keweenaw Bay Tribal Council, Kickapoo of Kansas Tribal Council, Kickapoo Tribe of Oklahoma, Kickapoo Traditional Tribe of Texas, Kiowa Tribe, Klamath General Council, Kootenai Tribal Council, Lac Courte Oreilles Tribal Council, Lac du Flambeau Tribal Council, Lac Vieux Desert Band of Lake Superior Chippewa, Laguna Pueblo, La Jolla Band of Mission Indians(Luiseno), La Posta Band of Mission Indians, La Posta Council (Kumeyaay-Digueno), Las Vegas Paiute Tribe ,Laytonville Rancheria (Cahto)... Thus ends The La's.Here, a list of A-La of all US recognized TRIBES in the US. I'll let you try to figure out how many nations these tribes represent. Imagine every single one of these tribes with its own team in every international sporting event and with a vote as well. And these are just those in the US. Nevermind Africa, S.America, Canada, Mexico, Australia, and a host of other "nations" who have long since been absorbed into larger nations.

Absentee-Shawnee Tribe, Acoma Pueblo, Agua Caliente Tribe (Cahuila), Ak Chin Indian Community Council, Alabama-Coushatta Tribe of Texas, Alturas Rancheria, Apache Business Committee, Arapaho Business Council, Aroostook Band of Micmac Indians, Augustine Band of Mission Indians, Bad River Tribal Council, Barona Rancheria (Digueno), Battle Mountain Band Council, Bay Mills Executive Council, Bear River Band of Rohnerville Rancheria, Benton Paiute Reservation, Berry Creek Rancheria (Maidu), Big Bend Rancheria, Big Lagoon Rancheria, Big Pine General Council,Big Sandy Rancheria (Western Mono), Big Valley Rancheria, Bishop Tribal Council, Blackfeet Tribal Business Council, Blue Lake Rancheria, Bridgeport Indian Colony (Paiute), Buena Vista Rancheria (Miwok), Burns-Paiute General Council, Cabazon Band of Mission Indians, Caddo Tribal Council, Cahuilla Band of Mission Indians, California Valley Miwok Tribe, Campo Band of Mission Indians, Canoncito Band of Navajos, Capitan Grande Band of Diegueno Mission Indians, Carson Colony Community Council, Catawba Indian Nation, Cayuga Nation, Cedarville Rancheria (Northern Paiute), Chehalis Business Council, Chemehuevi Tribal Council, Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, Cheyenne-Arapaho Business Committee, Cheyenne River Sioux Tribal Council, Chickasaw Nation, Chicken Ranch Rancheria (Me-Wuk), Chippewa-Cree Business Committee, Chitimacha Tribal Council, Choctaw Nation, Citizen Band Potawatomi, Cloverdale Rancheria (Pomo), Cochiti Pueblo, Cocopah Tribal Council, Coeur D'Alene Tribal Council, Cold Springs Rancheria, Colorado River Tribal Council, Colusa Rancheria (Wintun), Colville Business Committee, Comanche Tribe, Confederated Salish and Kootenai, Confederated Tribes of Coos Lower, Confederated Tribes of Grande Ronde, Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla, Coquille Indian Tribe, Cortina Rancheria (Wintun), Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana, Covelo Community Council, Cow Creek Band of Umpqua Indians, Coyote Valley Reservation (Pomo), Creek Nation of Oklahoma, Creek Nation of Oklahoma, Creek Nation of Oklahoma, Crow Creek Sioux Tribal Council, Crow Tribal Council, Cuyapaipe Band of Mission Indians (Kumeyaay-Digueno), Delaware Tribe of East Oklahoma, Delaware Tribe of West Oklahoma, Devils Lake Sioux Tribal Council, Dry Creek Rancheria (Pomo), Duckwater Shoshone Tribal Council, Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, Elem Indian Colony of Pomo Indians, Elk Valley Rancheria (Tolowa), Elko Band of the Te-Moak Tribe, Ely Shoshone Tribe, Enterprise Rancheria, Fallon Paiute Shoshone Bus. Council, Flandreau Santee Sioux Exec. Comm., Forest Cnty Potawatomi Exec Council, Fort Belknap Community Council, Fort Berthold Tribal Bus. Council, Fort Bidwell Community Council(Paiute), Fort Hall Business Council (Shoshone-Bannock Tribes, Inc.), Fort Independence General Council (Paiute), Fort McDermitt Paiute-Shoshone Tribe, Fort McDowell Mohave-Apache Council, Fort Mojave Tribal Council(Mojave), Fort Peck Executive Board, Fort Sill Apache Tribe, Gila River Indian Community, Golden Hill Paugusset Tribe, Goshute Business Council, Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa, Greenville Rancheria (Maidu), Guidiville Rancheria (Pomo), Hannahville Indian Community, Habematolel Pomo of Upper Lake, Hannahville Community House, Havasupai Tribal Council, Ho-Chunk Nation, Hoh Tribal Business Council, Hoopa Valley Indian Reservation, Hopi Tribal Council, Hopland Rancheria (Pomo), Houlton Band of Maliseet Indians, Hualapai Tribal Council, Huron Potawatomi (Nottowaseppi), Inaja-Cosmit Band of Mission Indians (Digueno), Indian Township Reservation Louisiana (federally recognized), Inter-Tribal Council of Nevada, Ione Band of Miwok Indians, Iowa Tribe of Kansas and Nebraska, Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma, Isleta Pueblo, Jackson Rancheria (Mewuk-Miwok), Jamestown Band of S'Klallam Indians, Jamul Band of Mission Indians (Kumeyaay-Digueno), Jemez Pueblo, Jena Band of Choctaw Indians, Jicarilla Apache Tribal Council, Kaibab Paiute Tribal Council, Kalispel Business Committee, Karuk Tribe of California, Kashia Band of Pomo Indians of the Stewarts Point Rancheria, Kaw Tribe of Oklahoma, Keweenaw Bay Tribal Council, Kickapoo of Kansas Tribal Council, Kickapoo Tribe of Oklahoma, Kickapoo Traditional Tribe of Texas, Kiowa Tribe, Klamath General Council, Kootenai Tribal Council, Lac Courte Oreilles Tribal Council, Lac du Flambeau Tribal Council, Lac Vieux Desert Band of Lake Superior Chippewa, Laguna Pueblo, La Jolla Band of Mission Indians(Luiseno), La Posta Band of Mission Indians, La Posta Council (Kumeyaay-Digueno), Las Vegas Paiute Tribe ,Laytonville Rancheria (Cahto)... Thus ends The La's.

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By nikolazpsadmin - 23-01-2012 09:28

[ATG]
President

Funny response, lol.... How many of the Hawaian and Native Indians play soccer? :P Plus, you already forget that USA is already 1 nation now, so all them can play for US team at any time, LOOOOL....Funny response, lol....

How many of the Hawaian and Native Indians play soccer? :P

Plus, you already forget that USA is already 1 nation now, so all them can play for US team at any time, LOOOOL....

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By tpc1011 - 23-01-2012 11:19

Soccer players from Hawaii: Brian Ching of the Houston Dynamo. So much for that idea lol. By the way, the US Virgin Islands and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico each have their own national teams and compete in FIFA competitions. Though, these are technically unincorporated territories and not quite the same as Wales, etc. Maybe someone can answer this for me. Hypothetically, could Wales and England combine their national squads to have a better chance of winning the World cup? Say national pride and other issues were not a factor, could it technically be done?Soccer players from Hawaii: Brian Ching of the Houston Dynamo. So much for that idea lol.

By the way, the US Virgin Islands and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico each have their own national teams and compete in FIFA competitions. Though, these are technically unincorporated territories and not quite the same as Wales, etc.

Maybe someone can answer this for me. Hypothetically, could Wales and England combine their national squads to have a better chance of winning the World cup? Say national pride and other issues were not a factor, could it technically be done?

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By tpc1011 - 23-01-2012 11:44

Also, does anyone really think a combined olympic team would jeopardize the home nations' seats on the IFAB?Also, does anyone really think a combined olympic team would jeopardize the home nations' seats on the IFAB?

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 24-01-2012 00:54

"national pride or "other issues"?? Say that again please? What other issues? UK is supreme, is supreme, is supreme. Law and History. It's like if Cook County tried to tell us that it wasn't part of Illinois for the last 150 years. Absolute silliness. What is really offensive about it, really, and more than a bit confusing, is that right now this false story is threatening to keep some of the best and brightest from the world stage, FOR VANITY. /rant Any time you have a world stage to practice on, you are only bound to get better. If all those states had teams to send out, they would get much better. Very very quickly, even if the first few years looked like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzeeaEsIFLs"national pride or "other issues"?? Say that again please? What other issues? UK is supreme, is supreme, is supreme. Law and History.

It's like if Cook County tried to tell us that it wasn't part of Illinois for the last 150 years. Absolute silliness.

What is really offensive about it, really, and more than a bit confusing, is that right now this false story is threatening to keep some of the best and brightest from the world stage, FOR VANITY.

/rant

Any time you have a world stage to practice on, you are only bound to get better. If all those states had teams to send out, they would get much better. Very very quickly, even if the first few years looked like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzeeaEsIFLs

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By kingjaime - 24-01-2012 02:49

[BVB]

Is there some reason you completely lost it "Sunday 19:24" (GMT)? And have continued in that vein... @mos, good call on Jordan Rhodes, if Scotland won't hold it against him... but Given and Clark (if you mean Ciaran) are ROI internationals... I'd go for... GK: Paul Robinson RB: Kyle Walker CB: Phil Jones CB: Chris Smalling LB: Neil Taylor LM: Gareth Bale CM: Jack Rodwell CM: Aaron Ramsey or Jordan Henderson RM: Joe Cole CF: Craig Bellamy CF: Daniel Sturridge or Danny Welbeck If Scotland drop any objections, I'd find a place for Rhodes up front but I don't see any other Scots in the starting line-up (Danny Wilson, James Forrest and perhaps Barry Bannan in the squad). Also can't see any NI u-23s making it. I like Steven Davis and Chris Brunt but not when they'd cost over-23 places.Is there some reason you completely lost it "Sunday 19:24" (GMT)? And have continued in that vein...

@mos, good call on Jordan Rhodes, if Scotland won't hold it against him... but Given and Clark (if you mean Ciaran) are ROI internationals...

I'd go for...
GK: Paul Robinson
RB: Kyle Walker
CB: Phil Jones
CB: Chris Smalling
LB: Neil Taylor
LM: Gareth Bale
CM: Jack Rodwell
CM: Aaron Ramsey or Jordan Henderson
RM: Joe Cole
CF: Craig Bellamy
CF: Daniel Sturridge or Danny Welbeck

If Scotland drop any objections, I'd find a place for Rhodes up front but I don't see any other Scots in the starting line-up (Danny Wilson, James Forrest and perhaps Barry Bannan in the squad). Also can't see any NI u-23s making it. I like Steven Davis and Chris Brunt but not when they'd cost over-23 places.

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 24-01-2012 15:09

~286 miles east to west. Average shuttle speed, 17000mph. Flyover time ~1min 1second. Don't yawn...~286 miles east to west.

Average shuttle speed, 17000mph.

Flyover time ~1min 1second. Don't yawn...

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By safctillidie - 24-01-2012 16:24

for me, beckham has to play, what a way to generate even more interest in the sport, using arguably the biggest name on the planet, on the world stage. normally were on a similar wavelength kj, but i am completely lost as to how you can suggest joe cole, who has done nothing in years, went completely off the boil and is out on loan as his parent club dont want him, over a world name who has been tracked by many prem clubs and also oil rich PSG obviously in regards to out on loan you do get your exceptions like adebayor, but cole was loaned ou because he appears to have lost everything that made him a great player imofor me, beckham has to play, what a way to generate even more interest in the sport, using arguably the biggest name on the planet, on the world stage.

normally were on a similar wavelength kj, but i am completely lost as to how you can suggest joe cole, who has done nothing in years, went completely off the boil and is out on loan as his parent club dont want him, over a world name who has been tracked by many prem clubs and also oil rich PSG

obviously in regards to out on loan you do get your exceptions like adebayor, but cole was loaned ou because he appears to have lost everything that made him a great player imo

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By safctillidie - 24-01-2012 16:26

p.s. i would love to see giggs in it aswell. still performing at the top and would be great to see him in the team, guess im just a bit old school, but i reckon with beckham n giggs in the squad the spirit in the england camp would be unbelieveablep.s. i would love to see giggs in it aswell. still performing at the top and would be great to see him in the team, guess im just a bit old school, but i reckon with beckham n giggs in the squad the spirit in the england camp would be unbelieveable

Re: Beckham for the Olympics?

By apwall21 - 24-01-2012 17:33

kj, you can thank the north side of the tree for any continued harsh display of disgust, really. i guess i shouldn't be baited by a guy whose moniker is directly related to his oral hygiene. However, I still hold that threats to those most capable of representing your peoples well, because of such a petty concern as whether or not a UK FIFA official would vote in its body interest, is offensive to thought. Further, the whole situation highlights a very unsporting unfair advantage to the UK teams in general. To be fair at some point it may need to be seen as unfair throughout the EU as well; That a large part of your economic base (thus population base) is subsidized at a larger level than your claim to size. You get the benefits of trade on a mid-nation size, while still pretending your player pool must reflect a small nation sized economy, like an Eritrea. So you front 4 teams instead of 1, but each team has the facilities, youth development, and training techs of something more than that small nation economy (though likely not full mid-level, it's true). Thus you affront to all nations in pretend equal sportsmanship. You vote and act in body unequal to yoke shared, while claiming fair game. The only saving grace is that you are, technically, choosing from a smaller numeric pool than your full economy. However, as stated before, with practice on a world level comes world level skills, and when added to your economic advantages...kj, you can thank the north side of the tree for any continued harsh display of disgust, really. i guess i shouldn't be baited by a guy whose moniker is directly related to his oral hygiene.

However, I still hold that threats to those most capable of representing your peoples well, because of such a petty concern as whether or not a UK FIFA official would vote in its body interest, is offensive to thought. Further, the whole situation highlights a very unsporting unfair advantage to the UK teams in general.

To be fair at some point it may need to be seen as unfair throughout the EU as well; That a large part of your economic base (thus population base) is subsidized at a larger level than your claim to size. You get the benefits of trade on a mid-nation size, while still pretending your player pool must reflect a small nation sized economy, like an Eritrea.

So you front 4 teams instead of 1, but each team has the facilities, youth development, and training techs of something more than that small nation economy (though likely not full mid-level, it's true). Thus you affront to all nations in pretend equal sportsmanship. You vote and act in body unequal to yoke shared, while claiming fair game.

The only saving grace is that you are, technically, choosing from a smaller numeric pool than your full economy. However, as stated before, with practice on a world level comes world level skills, and when added to your economic advantages...

 

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