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Bug of training camp

By xugenfu106 - 17-02-2024 08:02

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The player (id: 223724918) was sent to training camp twice at his 16 years old, can explain officially by Crew?

Re: Bug of training camp

By evosa - 17-02-2024 10:03

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While it is interesting. Why not write to support?

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=support_form

Re: Bug of training camp

By xugenfu106 - 17-02-2024 10:09

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President

Yes, I have wrote to MZ, and expect to thier explanation

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 17-02-2024 17:59

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President

charef wrote:

I'm interested to know why

I probably could come with an explanation but I can't see training graphs as I'm not a CM so oh well..... the graphic definitively shows he went twice as a 16 y/old player?

Well I was thinking maybe he went back to back camps as if you send him to TC on the last few hours before the new season starts it might look like he went twice on the same season, but that doesn't seem to be the case as his player was created on 4/3/23 and sent to TC 4/4/23 so that's ruled out...

Hopefully is not an exploit, but it's certainly weird....

xugenfu106 wrote:

Yes, I have wrote to MZ, and expect to thier explanation

I think it's good you posted this here, writing to support is the right thing to do but the guy that picks up the ticket won't have an answer, they will need to contact a crew member and wait for a reply.... so expect the reply to your ticket to be a thank you note and not an explanation.

I'll post this on the spanish forums which are more active and see if someone can come up with an explanation.

Re: Bug of training camp

By xugenfu106 - 18-02-2024 03:18

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President

The guy on transfer list now, you can see his training graphic

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 18-02-2024 15:17

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President

So here's the theory, you know how the season has 91 days but due to time differences with Sweden for a brief period of time there is a "day 92"?

So what could potentially happen if you exchange a player on Day 92? I don't know for sure, never did.... but theory is that if you exchange a player on Day 92, that day doesn't exist so you get a Day 1 player from the new season but when Day 92 changes to Day 1, the flag that counts if the player is elegible for TC or not gets reset therefore allowing you to send the player twice to TC when he's 16 y/old.

Not saying this as a fact, is a theory but it's the only one that makes sense so if this is true hopefully people has not been exploiting this (once or twice it could be an accident but if you're doing it every season.... )

I imagine crew will patch it up, I also recommend managers to open a ticket to bring this to crew's attention, I'd open a ticket myself with what I have just explained but I'm blocked from the support system for opening too many tickets.

So here's the theory, you know how the season has 91 days but due to time differences with Sweden for a brief period of time there is a "day 92"?

So what could potentially happen if you exchange a player on Day 92? I don't know for sure, never did.... but theory is that if you exchange a player on Day 92, that day doesn't exist so you get a Day 1 player from the new season but when Day 92 changes to Day 1, the flag that counts if the player is elegible for TC or not gets reset therefore allowing you to send the player twice to TC when he's 16 y/old.

Not saying this as a fact, is a theory but it's the only one that makes sense so if this is true hopefully people has not been exploiting this (once or twice it could be an accident but if you're doing it every season.... )

I imagine crew will patch it up, I also recommend managers to open a ticket to bring this to crew's attention, I'd open a ticket myself with what I have just explained but I'm blocked from the support system for opening too many tickets.

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 19-02-2024 08:10

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President

He could also have been exchanged on the last day of the previous season, again I can't see the training graph so I'm going with what I've been told ... is it confirmed he went to TC 4 times while he was a youth?

Re: Bug of training camp

By xugenfu106 - 19-02-2024 08:14

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President

Yes, it is clear when he is 16 years old, 2 TCs happened

darkline wrote:

He could also have been exchanged on the last day of the previous season, again I can't see the training graph so I'm going with what I've been told ... is it confirmed he went to TC 4 times while he was a youth?

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 19-02-2024 10:55

[FLUSA]
President

Unrelated but seriously, training graphs should be visible to non-CM users, how will new users get hooked to the game if they don't have access to this basic funcionality to begin with? Most people play for a while as free users and then start paying...

Re: Bug of training camp

By evosa - 19-02-2024 11:18

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darkline wrote:

Unrelated but seriously, training graphs should be visible to non-CM users

If you make that visible to non-CMs I suspect number of paying users will go down rapidly which in long term will lead to closure of the game!

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 19-02-2024 11:36

[FLUSA]
President

evosa wrote:

If you make that visible to non-CMs I suspect number of paying users will go down rapidly which in long term will lead to closure of the game!

There's really not much to do without CM other than play 2 league games each week, if you pay CM is not because of the training graphs but because of the entry to all official cups... doubt anyone will stop playing all those competitions just because they can see a training graph but on the other hand, free users that are ok with just playing 2 league games a week but since they don't see a training graph don't really have a reason to login, might start getting involved in training their players or using the transfer market which might eventually get them hooked and turn them into paying users

Re: Bug of training camp

By douglaskampl - 19-02-2024 18:39

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President

I think in this case, the exchanged player would turn 17 the next day or after the training report (I'm not exactly sure when, but it would happen). Similarly, if you create a new account during that time window, your base players would be 20 by the next day instead of 19.

But your theory should be close to the actual explanation since 2023-04-04 was a Tuesday — day 1.

It's a known fact that if you send a player to a training camp during that time window (after day 91 but before the training report), he will appear in the training graph as if he was sent twice in the same season. So, if you send a 17-year-old player, it would look like he was sent twice while he was 18.

In this case, however, since the player is 16, it's tricky because new 16-year-old players only arrive at your club the next day, which is not even close to the day 92 time window.

My guess is that the original manager ordered custom youth players during that time window. Once, I ordered some 18-year-old custom players for my U18 team during that same time window and immediately received them, and they didn't age the next day (as they shouldn't).

So, maybe that manager ordered custom players, including 16-year-old ones, got this guy, and sent him to training camp before the training report, allowing for double training camp sessions during that season. I mean, this is like combining what you're saying with the custom players behavior.

Or maybe I'm totally wrong, but it was fun writing this.

darkline wrote:

So what could potentially happen if you exchange a player on Day 92? I don't know for sure, never did.... but theory is that if you exchange a player on Day 92, that day doesn't exist so you get a Day 1 player from the new season but when Day 92 changes to Day 1, the flag that counts if the player is elegible for TC or not gets reset therefore allowing you to send the player twice to TC when he's 16 y/old.

I think in this case, the exchanged player would turn 17 the next day or after the training report (I'm not exactly sure when, but it would happen). Similarly, if you create a new account during that time window, your base players would be 20 by the next day instead of 19.

But your theory should be close to the actual explanation since 2023-04-04 was a Tuesday — day 1.

It's a known fact that if you send a player to a training camp during that time window (after day 91 but before the training report), he will appear in the training graph as if he was sent twice in the same season. So, if you send a 17-year-old player, it would look like he was sent twice while he was 18.

In this case, however, since the player is 16, it's tricky because new 16-year-old players only arrive at your club the next day, which is not even close to the day 92 time window.

My guess is that the original manager ordered custom youth players during that time window. Once, I ordered some 18-year-old custom players for my U18 team during that same time window and immediately received them, and they didn't age the next day (as they shouldn't).

So, maybe that manager ordered custom players, including 16-year-old ones, got this guy, and sent him to training camp before the training report, allowing for double training camp sessions during that season. I mean, this is like combining what you're saying with the custom players behavior.

Or maybe I'm totally wrong, but it was fun writing this.

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 19-02-2024 20:49

[FLUSA]
President

douglaskampl wrote:

My guess is that the original manager ordered custom youth players during that time window.

That's not it, with custom youths you need to wait three seasons until you can sell them so it would not have been possible to place him on the transfer market.

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 19-02-2024 20:53

[FLUSA]
President

douglaskampl wrote:

I think in this case, the exchanged player would turn 17 the next day or after the training report (I'm not exactly sure when, but it would happen)

But what IF sending a player you got as an exchange on day 92 and placing inmediately on TC prevents him from turning 17 y/old? Did you ever tried that? I know I didn't so I can't say for sure but that might be the bug....

Re: Bug of training camp

By xugenfu106 - 20-02-2024 00:53

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President

He was sent to TC in the 1st day of his 16, and after several days of 1st finished TC, he was sent to 2nd TC

douglaskampl wrote:

I think in this case, the exchanged player would turn 17 the next day or after the training report (I'm not exactly sure when, but it would happen). Similarly, if you create a new account during that time window, your base players would be 20 by the next day instead of 19.

But your theory should be close to the actual explanation since 2023-04-04 was a Tuesday — day 1.

It's a known fact that if you send a player to a training camp during that time window (after day 91 but before the training report), he will appear in the training graph as if he was sent twice in the same season. So, if you send a 17-year-old player, it would look like he was sent twice while he was 18.

In this case, however, since the player is 16, it's tricky because new 16-year-old players only arrive at your club the next day, which is not even close to the day 92 time window.

My guess is that the original manager ordered custom youth players during that time window. Once, I ordered some 18-year-old custom players for my U18 team during that same time window and immediately received them, and they didn't age the next day (as they shouldn't).

So, maybe that manager ordered custom players, including 16-year-old ones, got this guy, and sent him to training camp before the training report, allowing for double training camp sessions during that season. I mean, this is like combining what you're saying with the custom players behavior.

Or maybe I'm totally wrong, but it was fun writing this.

Re: Bug of training camp

By douglaskampl - 21-02-2024 03:21

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President

xugenfu106 wrote:

He was sent to TC in the 1st day of his 16, and after several days of 1st finished TC, he was sent to 2nd TC

darkline wrote:

But what IF sending a player you got as an exchange on day 92 and placing inmediately on TC prevents him from turning 17 y/old? Did you ever tried that? I know I didn't so I can't say for sure but that might be the bug....

Yeah, you are right and nothing can be said for sure. Could be a reproducible phenomenon or just a random glitch.

Based on the discussion in the other thread, it seems that you can't even use the exchange system during "day 92". Therefore, this player must have been acquired through some unconventional method, presumably on accident.

But if you let me make random guesses… I'd say this is a custom 16-year-old player, or perhaps the manager lacked youth players and it was possible to open the academy on day 92 (though this seems unlikely for me).

Then, we are assuming he is eligible for 2 TCs because he was born during day 92/before day 1.

It's something interesting to test for fun.

But could also be something unrelated.

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 21-02-2024 09:15

[FLUSA]
President

It can't be a custom 16/old, that's a 100% sure because you can't place them on the market until they're 21 y/old, they have that little graduation hat black icon

douglaskampl wrote:

Then, we are assuming he is eligible for 2 TCs because he was born during day 92/before day 1.

The game runs different processes when preparing the new season, so I'm thinking there might be a window of opportunity before the new season starts in which you can exchange a player and send him to TC, maybe the window of opportunity isn't day 92 but the first few minutes of day 1 instead..... it might even work some seasons and not others depending on the order the processes are run, which if they're separate are not always run in the same order.

Re: Bug of training camp

By douglaskampl - 22-02-2024 03:29

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President

darkline wrote:

It can't be a custom 16/old, that's a 100% sure because you can't place them on the market until they're 21 y/old, they have that little graduation hat black icon

Nah, I remember selling a 20-year-old custom player once. They are blocked from the market for 3 seasons, rather than until they reach 21. So, a random custom 16-year-old isn't off the table.

I like the different processes theory you mentioned though.

Also, the double training camps at the same age seem off to me. Looks like the first camp must've been at... 15, somehow.

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 22-02-2024 11:20

[FLUSA]
President

Yes you're right about the custom youths, it's 3 seasons on the team before you could sell them, so potentially you could get a custom setup on day 92.

Well it could be a day 92 glitch in which if you order a youth with a certain timing he'll be generated as a 15 y/old due to the season not having started

I mean.... if you check the player, it was created on 3/4, but if you check the training graph that was posted here:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/KkuYoLg.png[/img]

It seems he was created on 3/4/23 which shouldn't be possible given his age, he should be 20 y/old and not 19 y/old if he was created on 3/4/23.... so I think that's the issue, he was created on day 92 after some end of season processes were run, was sent to camp on 3/3 while the game was still processing information and then when the new season started that information was changed to day 1, that's the reason on the graph is showing he was created on 4/4/23 instead of 3/4/23.

In any case, it's all speculation, we know now there is a bug, we don't know if it can be exploited and we have managers in the known exploiting it or it's just a bug that can happen once in a while if you're lucky ... if it's an exploit and you have people abusing it, then it's a serious problem, a 18 y/old with 4 camps is going to be worth a lot more money and specially if you put some training chips on him.

douglaskampl wrote:

Nah, I remember selling a 20-year-old custom player once. They are blocked from the market for 3 seasons, rather than until they reach 21. So, a random custom 16-year-old isn't off the table.

Yes you're right about the custom youths, it's 3 seasons on the team before you could sell them, so potentially you could get a custom setup on day 92.

douglaskampl wrote:

I like the different processes theory you mentioned though.

Also, the double training camps at the same age seem off to me. Looks like the first camp must've been at... 15, somehow.

Well it could be a day 92 glitch in which if you order a youth with a certain timing he'll be generated as a 15 y/old due to the season not having started

I mean.... if you check the player, it was created on 3/4, but if you check the training graph that was posted here:

It seems he was created on 3/4/23 which shouldn't be possible given his age, he should be 20 y/old and not 19 y/old if he was created on 3/4/23.... so I think that's the issue, he was created on day 92 after some end of season processes were run, was sent to camp on 3/3 while the game was still processing information and then when the new season started that information was changed to day 1, that's the reason on the graph is showing he was created on 4/4/23 instead of 3/4/23.

In any case, it's all speculation, we know now there is a bug, we don't know if it can be exploited and we have managers in the known exploiting it or it's just a bug that can happen once in a while if you're lucky ... if it's an exploit and you have people abusing it, then it's a serious problem, a 18 y/old with 4 camps is going to be worth a lot more money and specially if you put some training chips on him.

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 22-02-2024 11:21

[FLUSA]
President

What I meant is the player was created on 3/3/23 but the graph shows he was created on 4/3/23... I think I messed up the dates on my explanation.

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 22-02-2024 11:22

[FLUSA]
President

And I did it again 😂🤣 , I have American dates which go month/date/year so I'm getting the dates mixed up but you know what I mean.

Re: Bug of training camp

By powdersnow (Crew) - 22-02-2024 15:46

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Just letting you know we have received the support Ticket and are investigating the case!

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 22-02-2024 19:40

[FLUSA]
President

powdersnow wrote:

Just letting you know we have received the support Ticket and are investigating the case!

Great! Thanks for checking on this issue.

Re: Bug of training camp

By haf83 - 22-03-2024 05:23

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It's been two months and still no update. Team A sold him for nearly 5 mil, team B used a 19 year-old with the balls of a 20 year-old and now the polish national team is going to use him aswell

Re: Bug of training camp

By charef (FA) (NC) - 22-03-2024 22:32

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haf83 wrote:

It's been two months and still no update. Team A sold him for nearly 5 mil, team B used a 19 year-old with the balls of a 20 year-old and now the polish national team is going to use him aswell

Should they delete him from MZ ?

Re: Bug of training camp

By haf83 - 22-03-2024 23:01

[BUL]

charef wrote:

Should they delete him from MZ ?

It's not my decision to make but at least make him a year older.

Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 23-03-2024 19:38

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President

There are probably more players like him so taking any action against this one specific player is pointless, I'd just like to know if this is a random bug or something that could be replicated which would be an exploit, If it's an exploit that was being abused by some managers that knew about it then those managers should have consequences. It's easy to determine, if it happened once to a manager it's an accident, if it happened multiple times then the manager was abusing the bug which is against the rules.

Re: Bug of training camp

By xugenfu106 - 29-03-2024 08:22

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I think MZ will not respond to this bug, because the bug cannot be resolved

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Re: Bug of training camp

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Re: Bug of training camp

By darkline - 04-04-2024 14:06

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President

zhuhuan177 wrote:

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Yeah ok, we get it, you can create multiple accounts around the world and register an email so you can post on the forums some random numbers on multiple posts, incredible achievement, now what you want? A round of applause?

Re: Bug of training camp

By xugenfu106 - 07-04-2024 02:43

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Please look at this team
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&tid=1456217
There are 15 years old players, this team registered in 2024/4/2

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