Football » English » ManagerZone talk

Useless Training Camp

By charef (FA) (NC) - 15-02-2024 01:42

[PV]

Hi How is this even possible ?! Training at camp is like training without a coach or worse. Training with coach is even faster, you can see pictures and graphic. It's just a waste of money. Btw, he is 19 y.o Here's a comparaison between two players at same training camp, the second one is 18 y.o [img]https://www.hostpic.org/images/2402151729550109.png[/img][/URL] [img]https://www.hostpic.org/images/2402151730380105.png[/img][/URL] What do you think ?Hi

How is this even possible ?!
Training at camp is like training without a coach or worse.
Training with coach is even faster, you can see pictures and graphic.
It's just a waste of money.

Btw, he is 19 y.o

Here's a comparaison between two players at same training camp, the second one is 18 y.o

[/URL]

[/URL]



What do you think ?

Edited: 15-02-2024 13:01
Total edits: 4

 

Page 1

 

Reply

Last Message

Re: Useless Training Camp

By evosa - 15-02-2024 09:08

[LEGEND]

Can't see images. How many weeks he is into training camp? I have this player in my ranks: [fpl=224275797] I have shared his graph! Take a loof of his training camp, specially his last one. I used efficiency chip also on him. Look how poorly he trains with chips. I have used efficiency chip on him twice now and he only gains 6 balls per season! That is avarage joes training speed! [:P] What I try to say, is that sometimes you get those slow trainers and there's nothing you can do about it! Hope his HP and LP are worth training..if the guy has bad skills in stars then I wouldn't even waste time training them!Can't see images.

How many weeks he is into training camp?

I have this player in my ranks:

Vahur Aav

Age: 20

I have shared his graph! Take a loof of his training camp, specially his last one. I used efficiency chip also on him. Look how poorly he trains with chips. I have used efficiency chip on him twice now and he only gains 6 balls per season! That is avarage joes training speed!

What I try to say, is that sometimes you get those slow trainers and there's nothing you can do about it! Hope his HP and LP are worth training..if the guy has bad skills in stars then I wouldn't even waste time training them!

Re: Useless Training Camp

By darkline - 15-02-2024 11:22

[FLUSA]
President

Can't see the images but that happens usually when training PI on a young player but could happen with any slow training skill, keep in mind TC is accelerated training [b]without coach[/b] multiplied by an increased factor each week the player is at the camp. In cases like this, you need to calculate the training speed of a player without a coach and compare it with training with a coach, if there's a huge gap in training speed then is better not to waste time on TC

charef wrote:

Hi

How is this even possible ?!
Training at camp is like training without a coach or worse.
Training with coach is even faster, you can see pictures and graphic.
It's just a waste of money.

Btw, he is 19 y.o

Here's a comparaison between two players at same training camp, the second one is 18 y.o

[/url]
[/url]



What do you think ?

Can't see the images but that happens usually when training PI on a young player but could happen with any slow training skill, keep in mind TC is accelerated training without coach multiplied by an increased factor each week the player is at the camp.

In cases like this, you need to calculate the training speed of a player without a coach and compare it with training with a coach, if there's a huge gap in training speed then is better not to waste time on TC

Re: Useless Training Camp

By charef (FA) (NC) - 15-02-2024 12:58

[PV]

Weird I'm seeing the pictures What about now ?Weird
I'm seeing the pictures

What about now ?

Edited: 15-02-2024 13:02
Total edits: 1

Re: Useless Training Camp

By darkline - 15-02-2024 20:58

[FLUSA]
President

Now I see them, I forgot about keeping, another slow training skill that many times is better to train with a coach than with a TC... You can get a good idea quite easy if TC will be worth it or not, just put your player to train without a coach at least one day or two, take note of the training speed and then do the math: 1 +100% (normal Training Speed x 2.0) 2 +150% (normal Training Speed x 2.5) 3 +200% (normal Training Speed x 3.0) 4 +250% (normal Training Speed x 3.5) 5 +300% (normal Training Speed x 4.0) Many times a player with coach trains well but without a coach he barely trains at all... so it is quite possible that a player with coach regularly trains at x3 normal training speed or even more, in this cases sending a player to TC is a waste of money and not only that but your player might end up worse than if you hadn't sent him in the first place. Usually PI & Keeping are the two skills you have to watch for.Now I see them, I forgot about keeping, another slow training skill that many times is better to train with a coach than with a TC...

You can get a good idea quite easy if TC will be worth it or not, just put your player to train without a coach at least one day or two, take note of the training speed and then do the math:

1 +100% (normal Training Speed x 2.0)
2 +150% (normal Training Speed x 2.5)
3 +200% (normal Training Speed x 3.0)
4 +250% (normal Training Speed x 3.5)
5 +300% (normal Training Speed x 4.0)

Many times a player with coach trains well but without a coach he barely trains at all... so it is quite possible that a player with coach regularly trains at x3 normal training speed or even more, in this cases sending a player to TC is a waste of money and not only that but your player might end up worse than if you hadn't sent him in the first place.

Usually PI & Keeping are the two skills you have to watch for.

Re: Useless Training Camp

By charef (FA) (NC) - 15-02-2024 23:36

[PV]

Mine is worse 😂

evosa wrote:

Can't see images.

How many weeks he is into training camp?

I have this player in my ranks:

Vahur Aav

Age: 20

I have shared his graph! Take a loof of his training camp, specially his last one. I used efficiency chip also on him. Look how poorly he trains with chips. I have used efficiency chip on him twice now and he only gains 6 balls per season! That is avarage joes training speed!

What I try to say, is that sometimes you get those slow trainers and there's nothing you can do about it! Hope his HP and LP are worth training..if the guy has bad skills in stars then I wouldn't even waste time training them!

Mine is worse 😂

Re: Useless Training Camp

By charef (FA) (NC) - 15-02-2024 23:36

[PV]

Ok i see, i'll try it. I found it weird because the other player does well

darkline wrote:

Now I see them, I forgot about keeping, another slow training skill that many times is better to train with a coach than with a TC...

You can get a good idea quite easy if TC will be worth it or not, just put your player to train without a coach at least one day or two, take note of the training speed and then do the math:

1 +100% (normal Training Speed x 2.0)
2 +150% (normal Training Speed x 2.5)
3 +200% (normal Training Speed x 3.0)
4 +250% (normal Training Speed x 3.5)
5 +300% (normal Training Speed x 4.0)

Many times a player with coach trains well but without a coach he barely trains at all... so it is quite possible that a player with coach regularly trains at x3 normal training speed or even more, in this cases sending a player to TC is a waste of money and not only that but your player might end up worse than if you hadn't sent him in the first place.

Usually PI & Keeping are the two skills you have to watch for.

Ok i see, i'll try it.
I found it weird because the other player does well

Edited: 15-02-2024 23:36
Total edits: 1

Re: Useless Training Camp

By doug7887 - 16-02-2024 02:48

[LEGEND]

In TC The level of training improves as it approaches the end, but I understand you, It is quite awful in the beginning.In TC The level of training improves as it approaches the end, but I understand you, It is quite awful in the beginning.

Re: Useless Training Camp

By darkline - 16-02-2024 13:15

[FLUSA]
President

Well you can have 2 players, both training at a similar level with a coach but when you remove the coach one might still train fine while the other will train like a slug, only way to know in advance is to train the player without a coach for at least 1 day before sending him to TC. The thing is you need to average all 5 weeks and then decide if TC is worth it or not for any given player on a specific skill, keeping and Pi are two I would try to get an idea without wasting time and money.

charef wrote:

Ok i see, i'll try it.
I found it weird because the other player does well

Well you can have 2 players, both training at a similar level with a coach but when you remove the coach one might still train fine while the other will train like a slug, only way to know in advance is to train the player without a coach for at least 1 day before sending him to TC.

doug7887 wrote:

In TC The level of training improves as it approaches the end, but I understand you, It is quite awful in the beginning.

The thing is you need to average all 5 weeks and then decide if TC is worth it or not for any given player on a specific skill, keeping and Pi are two I would try to get an idea without wasting time and money.

Re: Useless Training Camp

By deleted_8665586 - 08-03-2024 07:01

456456

 

Page 1