Change languagePlayer ID - 227101808
He is on the transfer market 2 more hours
Ive been playing this game for nearly 20 years but not on the transfer market that often.
19 year old
maxed in speed at 4
stamina 7
passing 7
tackling 6
nothing else to speak of
Someone has bid 1.3 million for him - same nationality as well
Is this where the game is at ?
Cheers
Hoffa
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evosa - 23-01-2024 07:31
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frankiejhoffa - 23-01-2024 09:15Yeah cheers for the link I just did that.
Ive never bothered before because although i have been around a while - I always spend too much on players. This one stood out
Cheers
Hoffa
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darkline - 23-01-2024 11:05Doubt support will do anything about it, transfers like this go through all the time without check, there was a whole thread on the latin forums reporting transfers and none of them were stopped, fact is you need 3 GAs to do something as simple as stopping a transfer and support just doesn't have enough staff to fill this requirement of having three people check a transfer and deciding to stop it, so 99% of the cheat transfers go through.
Maybe, just maybe and you're very lucky, since you posted it on the forums they might check it... most likely? An FA will edit this thread to remove the information of the cheat transfer and protect the pressumed innocence of an obvious cheat but nobody will do a thing about the transfer.
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darkline - 23-01-2024 11:07This is the spanish threads to report cheat transfers:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12943073&forum_id=253&sport=soccer
Surprisingly it was open for a few months, until some assistants came under suspicion for cheating and then someone decided to close it.... the guy that closed the thread, didn't want to sign or give a reason because who knows....
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darkline - 23-01-2024 11:11From that thread in the spanish forums, this is the first transfer that went through after reporting it and that it wasn't stopped
There's plenty more of course.... this is just a quick example of the transfers that go thorugh everyday.
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evosa - 23-01-2024 11:19Personally I think that there should be a forum thread where users can report weird transfers because I think that there are many cheaters in game and GAs are just understuffed to deal with them!
This leads to disappointment in users who play fairly and they'll just quit if situation is not dealt with.
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thunderexpress - 23-01-2024 14:10evosa wrote:Personally I think that there should be a forum thread where users can report weird transfers because I think that there are many cheaters in game and GAs are just understuffed to deal with them!
This leads to disappointment in users who play fairly and they'll just quit if situation is not dealt with.
It is not true. The numbers of cheaters are very low in MZ compared to similar games. We have instructed our Assistants to wait if they are not 100% sure and then go back and correct the transfer later. In the past, too many legit transfers where stopped due to triggerhappy GAs.
I personally think the main reason for the low amount of cheaters is because most Managers have played the game for a very long time and simply don't want to risk it. But as in any(!) game, there are always a tiny amount that tries to cheat, but sooner or later they get caught and banned.
What could really hurt MZ is a missconception that the game is poorly managed and that you can get away with cheating. When people claim these things without having the proper insights and knowledge, it may truly be damaging.
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darkline - 23-01-2024 14:45***
It is not allowed to talk about the internal issues of the xa within the forum
lucho_serEdited: 23-01-2024 17:55
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darkline - 23-01-2024 14:50I'll bring some posts from the newest posting about cheating on the spanish forums and do some google translate cos I'm lazy
drcagueta wrote:Jajaja, de verdad aún hay quienes creen que las cosas van a cambiar?
Hace un tiempo, denuncié a un jugador ("correo no deseado" guiño guiño) por varias ventas a MU y ahí sigue, vivito y coleando.
Hoy se me dio por ver su historial de transferencias y a simple vista, reconociendo los mismos patrones, me doy cuenta de que al menos 4 son a MU.
Claramente al soporte le le tiene sin cuidad el juego limpio o no les dejan hacer mucho.
"Hahaha, do people really still believe that things are going to change?
A while ago, I reported a player (wink wink "spam") for several sales to MU and there he is, alive and kicking.
Today I decided to check his transfer history and at a glance, recognizing the same patterns, I realize that at least 4 are to MU.
Clearly, the support team either doesn't care about fair play or they are not allowed to do much."
loco_pol wrote:Es mismo, lo denuncie tanto en soporte como publicamente en el foro. Y lejos de actuar, me metieron ban.
"It's the same, I reported him both to support and publicly in the forum. And instead of taking action, they banned me."
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pocococo - 23-01-2024 21:46
thunderexpress wrote:I personally think the main reason for the low amount of cheaters is because most Managers have played the game for a very long time and simply don't want to risk it. But as in any(!) game, there are always a tiny amount that tries to cheat, but sooner or later they get caught and banned.
You must really think people is dumb and stupid, the only people getting banned are the guys that expose the cheaters.
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frankiejhoffa - 24-01-2024 04:19frankiejhoffa wrote:Player ID - 227101808
He is on the transfer market 2 more hours
Ive been playing this game for nearly 20 years but not on the transfer market that often.
19 year old
maxed in speed at 4
stamina 7
passing 7
tackling 6
nothing else to speak of
Someone has bid 1.3 million for him - same nationality as well
Is this where the game is at ?
Cheers
Hoffa
Just to clarify - those attributes were all maxed .
No one is spending a million on a 4 speed 7 stamina etc etc player unless they really have no idea . This may well be the case but I am glad we are having a discussion about it . I appreciate crew getting involved and I took on board what was reported . The complexities of investigating 100s of transfers a day would take some ingenuity and a desire to stamp it out .
Hoffa
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thunderexpress - 24-01-2024 09:55frankiejhoffa wrote:Just to clarify - those attributes were all maxed .
No one is spending a million on a 4 speed 7 stamina etc etc player unless they really have no idea . This may well be the case but I am glad we are having a discussion about it . I appreciate crew getting involved and I took on board what was reported . The complexities of investigating 100s of transfers a day would take some ingenuity and a desire to stamp it out .
Hoffa
Thank you for reporting this. I had a look and this case has already been handled by our support.
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darkline - 26-01-2024 18:29thunderexpress wrote:It is not true. The numbers of cheaters are very low in MZ compared to similar games. We have instructed our Assistants to wait if they are not 100% sure and then go back and correct the transfer later. In the past, too many legit transfers where stopped due to triggerhappy GAs.
You're lying, I thought you were just unaware and maybe a bit naive but not I know the truth and lost all respect for you, I explained very politely and without breaking any rules why support doesn't work, make a few suggestions on how that can be improved....
If you didn't had anything to hide, you wouldn't send a minion that has a level of english equal to my chinese to edit, hide the truth and silence me.
Truth is, you don't care about cheating because it brings $$$, if someone has 20 CM accounts you're ok with it.
thunderexpress wrote:Thank you for reporting this. I had a look and this case has already been handled by our support.
Lets be honest, the only reason this has been handled is because it was too exposed, if you had FAs to moderate without having to specifically send them to moderate stuff you don't like, this wouldn't have been handled differently, post edited, names removed and a message to contact support where the ticket will go into a trash can.
As an example, a user can say all russians are (#&*@^#&*(^&*(^#$@ and more and it takes a week until an FA moderates, a user requests an user that had a problem with certain Italian crew member and the post gets moderated in less than an hour and even the name of the user is edited and well.... I experienced that first hand too.
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darkline - 26-01-2024 18:32And btw, you might not like my post but it doesn't break a single rule, not that it matters because you don't follow rules....
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darkline - 26-01-2024 18:38thunderexpress wrote:It is not true. The numbers of cheaters are very low in MZ compared to similar games.
Just one more thing, the number of cheaters isn't very low, the number of cheaters caught is very low because you don't have enough assistants to do their job and you do everything in your power to make their job as difficult as possible.
What's next? Kim Jong Un saying he has the happiest Country in the world because no one complains?
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darkline - 26-01-2024 18:59thunderexpress wrote:It is not true. The numbers of cheaters are very low in MZ compared to similar games. .
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12943073&forum_id=253&sport=soccer
This I posted on a different thread but thought I would bring special attention to this post as it refers to thunderexpress and I really agree with what this user posted
franella82 3/6/2023 22:47
"There has always been a minority of cheaters, but never as blatant as it is now.
Support should convey to the Crew that the situation is unsustainable and that they are ruining the game with their policy of not penalizing club members.
I don't know if they'll achieve anything because the last interview the guy in charge of Mz gave was really depressing (refering to thunderexpress). It's like he doesn't care about Mz anymore, he's given everything he could give, and they're developing something else for mobile phones. They seem content that there are still people putting money into this."
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darkline - 26-01-2024 19:05darkline wrote:https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12943073&forum_id=253&sport=soccer
This I posted on a different thread but thought I would bring special attention to this post as it refers to thunderexpress and I really agree with what this user posted
franella82 3/6/2023 22:47
"There has always been a minority of cheaters, but never as blatant as it is now.
Support should convey to the Crew that the situation is unsustainable and that they are ruining the game with their policy of not penalizing club members.
I don't know if they'll achieve anything because the last interview the guy in charge of Mz gave was really depressing (refering to thunderexpress). It's like he doesn't care about Mz anymore, he's given everything he could give, and they're developing something else for mobile phones. They seem content that there are still people putting money into this."
And cherry on top, an MA agrees with what user franella said
Here's the translated comment of the MA:
"Agreed, and that's the point, it's just too blatant."
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kevinmicha - 27-01-2024 21:17Yup, I can confirm that all these translations are correct.
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charef - 27-01-2024 21:36Is the buyer a new member ?
I remember, during my first days here (2008) i bought a useless player for 2M€.
I still feel the pain 😂
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frankiejhoffa - 28-01-2024 07:03charef wrote:Is the buyer a new member ?
I remember, during my first days here (2008) i bought a useless player for 2M€.
I still feel the pain 😂
No idea mate.
The only reason I picked it up is because I was concentrating on 19 yr olds and had a fair idea of minimum prices.
Hoffa
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filipek4 - 30-01-2024 15:52thunderexpress wrote:It is not true. The numbers of cheaters are very low in MZ compared to similar games.
I personally think the main reason for the low amount of cheaters is because most Managers have played the game for a very long time and simply don't want to risk it. But as in any(!) game, there are always a tiny amount that tries to cheat, but sooner or later they get caught and banned.
I wonder what is your opinion based on saying that the number of cheaters are very low in MZ compared to similar games? I have been playing games my entire life and in every single game there are cheaters and the only way to make such a statement you need data or proper statistics. What is your data based on? Is it based on number of reports? Number of cases? There are multiple users that don't bother reporting cheating anymore seeing how it's handled.. it's like speaking to a wall, you say something but you don't ever get an answer...and a few weeks later you see same usernames doing what they did before (cheating).
thunderexpress wrote:What could really hurt MZ is a missconception that the game is poorly managed and that you can get away with cheating. When people claim these things without having the proper insights and knowledge, it may truly be damaging.
I agree with you that getting away with cheating hurts MZ. But let's face the facts and ask yourself if it's managed the best possible way? Only in Poland we have users that cheated before and they still play the game on their old accounts. It's a global problem for all nations participating in MZ. Not to mention the needed number of quality of life improvements that are not looked at even though they get many upvotes on suggestions/improvements.
And what doesn't help in general is FAs closing threads where people report cheating cases or starts asking questions about the state of the game. Closing those threads looks suspicious. We are no longer in 2004, but in 2024.. the Internet has evolved but the rules of MZ are outdated.
Why don't you start listening to the community more? Why don't you use experienced user's knowledge to help with the game? We had pretty good discussion on polish forums how community could've helped with reporting the cheaters and there were a few ideas but nobody pushed the topic further as there's no one to talk to. I'll post it here, maybe you will find them useful:
1)A preventing one: require a phone number for new accounts
2)A helping one: let users vote on the transfer market with thumb up or down and if certain number of thumbs down is reached GAs take a look at transfer...
It's just a simple idea..and it could have improved the overall experience for everyone still enjoying MZ.
By not listening to the customers/community you do exactly the same mistake that Blizzard does with Diablo IV. Every few weeks they try to do something new, something encouraging but at the end of the day they always make a game-breaking mistake and only the core players stay in the game ;)
And last but not least I'm not judging your actions here, but by silencing darkline, a well-known member and one of the most involved players in the forums in general you just threw more suspicion on the whole topic of cheating..
Not to mention that you just push people away from the forums to use other communicators like Discord or Messenger..
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lukaszsz182 - 31-01-2024 12:10filipek4 wrote:I wonder what is your opinion based on saying that the number of cheaters are very low in MZ compared to similar games? I have been playing games my entire life and in every single game there are cheaters and the only way to make such a statement you need data or proper statistics. What is your data based on? Is it based on number of reports? Number of cases? There are multiple users that don't bother reporting cheating anymore seeing how it's handled.. it's like speaking to a wall, you say something but you don't ever get an answer...and a few weeks later you see same usernames doing what they did before (cheating).
I agree with you that getting away with cheating hurts MZ. But let's face the facts and ask yourself if it's managed the best possible way? Only in Poland we have users that cheated before and they still play the game on their old accounts. It's a global problem for all nations participating in MZ. Not to mention the needed number of quality of life improvements that are not looked at even though they get many upvotes on suggestions/improvements.
And what doesn't help in general is FAs closing threads where people report cheating cases or starts asking questions about the state of the game. Closing those threads looks suspicious. We are no longer in 2004, but in 2024.. the Internet has evolved but the rules of MZ are outdated.
Why don't you start listening to the community more? Why don't you use experienced user's knowledge to help with the game? We had pretty good discussion on polish forums how community could've helped with reporting the cheaters and there were a few ideas but nobody pushed the topic further as there's no one to talk to. I'll post it here, maybe you will find them useful:
1)A preventing one: require a phone number for new accounts
2)A helping one: let users vote on the transfer market with thumb up or down and if certain number of thumbs down is reached GAs take a look at transfer...
It's just a simple idea..and it could have improved the overall experience for everyone still enjoying MZ.
By not listening to the customers/community you do exactly the same mistake that Blizzard does with Diablo IV. Every few weeks they try to do something new, something encouraging but at the end of the day they always make a game-breaking mistake and only the core players stay in the game ;)
And last but not least I'm not judging your actions here, but by silencing darkline, a well-known member and one of the most involved players in the forums in general you just threw more suspicion on the whole topic of cheating..
Not to mention that you just push people away from the forums to use other communicators like Discord or Messenger..
I agree with this. Silencing the true is never looking good. If there is cheating going on it needs to be dealed with not ignored ever! I heard if user that cheats pays the club membership it means he probably wont be banned for cheating as club membership makes the manager trustworthhy?
Community is the most important thing. We all try to improve our local countries leagues etc. But i hope everyone plays fair!
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t4keshi - 31-01-2024 14:40It's like talking to a wall 😅
Your accepted level of cheating depends on the level of tokens spent, everybody knows it
Also with your affinity with the A's
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darkline - 02-02-2024 11:44filipek4 wrote:Not to mention that you just push people away from the forums to use other communicators like Discord or Messenger..
Thanks for the support, I was able to finally find an MA willing to chat, take a look at my "problem" and solve it but honestly, this up here is exactly how I feel right now.
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darkline - 03-02-2024 00:12Well.... seems like ex-MA now.
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darkline - 03-02-2024 00:21Honest opinion? It would be much better if users would feel safe to voice their opinions here in the mz forums so crew could read and understand their concerns instead of having to use alternative channels like discord, wassap, etc., just a thought.
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mihairo - 03-02-2024 05:31I like the voting idea right there on the Transfer Market.
There are many users who play the game for more than 15 years. So give this option to them if support needs help.
I don't have the time to write to support literally every day when I see a more than suspicious High-Price bid on the Transfer Market.
Add a comment section to the Player placed on the Transfer Market and make it anonymous.
The Transfer Market would be on fire! Literally.
You'd still keep the user confidentiality when reporting a cheater.
Of course, the support should see who's posting and if the user is spamming.
Just an idea...
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mihairo - 03-02-2024 05:44What about semi-active users who have millions in their accounts paying whatever they want on the TM for somebody else?
Is that legal?
Recently we had a 9.5 million Transfer in hockey made by a 3rd league team, obviously buying the player on High-Price for a friend.
I wouldn't be amazed to see the player on the TM for 5 mil after the Training Camp. Just wait for less than a couple of months.
Shouldn't these kind of activities be penalised?
It's not Multi-User, it's a real Club Member who simply doesn't care about hockey and what happens to his hockey club. So, whatever the penalty would be for his hockey club, I don't think he minds as long as it doesn't affect his football club.
So, what should be done? Any suggestions? 'Cause I have a few... 😈
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mihairo - 03-02-2024 06:07Oh, and another thing...
I suggested removing the No Graph option on the Transfer Market more than a decade ago.
Why No Graph? I don't understand. It encourages cheating and/or fooling especially newbies.
Every day I see newbies or managers who comeback in the game after many years being fooled on the Transfer Market by No Graph, obviously full maxed players. They don't have the knowledge to realise that the player whas placed probably weeks before on the Transfer Market with graph and didn't receive High-Price bid. So, I know it hurts.
The point is that if it hurts bad, that newbie/comeback manager could probably leave just as he arrived.
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frankiejhoffa - 04-02-2024 02:07I agree with removing the No graph
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t4keshi - 04-02-2024 02:48How many years has it been since there have been any real improvements to this game?
I have the impression that the number of users is decreasing year after year
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mihairo - 04-02-2024 05:03I don't think the the numbers are decreasing. They have been stable in the last decade.
But it's true that there are very few new players, comparing with the old ones.
When I joined MZ, there were no Uxx legaues, no World Leagues, no official Federation competitions, no events, no bonuses, no Training Analysis, no Youth Exchange + YCC, no chips for players. National Players had like 65 balls, now we often see U21 Players with 65 balls.
I still think that training speed should be increased, the simulator is still unrealistic, but we can't say that there were no real Improvements to the game.
What is missing is the MZ App, so we can find the game in the Play Store or App Gallery etc., install the game, and play it.
It's the only way the simulator can actually be improved - inside the App.
You can't have a good simulator inside a browser game - it can't be done.
But the MZ environment is very entertaining and challenging.
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darkline - 04-02-2024 11:28mihairo wrote:When I joined MZ, there were no Uxx legaues, no World Leagues, no official Federation competitions, no events, no bonuses, no Training Analysis, no Youth Exchange + YCC, no chips for players.
Some of this are negative changes not positive changes, events & chip for players? just a way for crew to sell tokens in exchange for faster training, side effect is that it ruined U18 for many, bonuses? game was better without them, the "tinder scout" is the feature that ruined the game for me as even with a crappy outdated SIM, I still had fun training youths not knowing what they might become or buying young discarded players on the market to train up, this days all it matters is that it has a good HP/LP combo, there's no mistery and training is limited to swapping players until you get lucky.
Positives? World League is good, have not played the Official Federation competitions but looks like they might be fun.
mihairo wrote:National Players had like 65 balls, now we often see U21 Players with 65 balls. I still think that training speed should be increased
I don't see this as a positive, is more like a negative.... in the past you had players with different skills sets and you had to make good use of the players you had and train them carefully... now there's no variety, your average player is pretty close in skills set to your top player hence you're random results, it's not entirely the fault of the SIM because when it was built 15 years ago there was a wide gap between an average player and a top player, a top team with top players was much better than your average team, when an average team faced a top team they were destroyed, don't know if you remember but game results like 10-0 were not uncommon in this scenario, the solution was to reduce that gap in skills as to not to discourage your average joe manager and give them a chance to be competitive..... now I supposed that worked when an average team had players with 40/45 total balls adn top teams had players with 70/75, but now as you said a youth can have 65 balls.... any mediocre team has players ranging from 65/70 balls, a top team might have 75/80 balls with a better distribution but as mentioned this SIM is not prepared for this scenario in which teams are too similar, hence the random results people gets.
Training faster? What's the point of that? Maxing out your players before they graduate from youth school? What we need is a new SIM that can handle the current landscape of the game and ideally players will have more trainable skills that will make them different from each other.
mihairo wrote:You can't have a good simulator inside a browser game - it can't be done.
This SIM is 15 years old, to put it in context blackberry phones were popular at the time and phones were used mostly to text or call people, I still remember netflix was mailing DVDs (bluray didn't exist) instead of being an online service, of course in 2024 you can do a better SIM than what we have but it takes money and they don't want or can't invest money on this game, they could change some parameters on the current SIM but they're afraid that they could upset some users, basically they're going to milk the hardcore managers they have for as long as possible with "improvements" aimed at making people expend more money.
It's complex, change the parameters of the SIM and you might upset some users, don't change it and you'll slowly still lose users as if the game was dying the death of a thousand cuts, without change or a new SIM there is no real excitement so game is boring, we're losing many managers due to lack of change and many that come back try the game a few months, see that after 15 years you still have to play the same unrealistic wing tactics and quit again, I see this all the time.
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darkline - 04-02-2024 11:40mihairo wrote:I don't think the the numbers are decreasing. They have been stable in the last decade.
We lost about 35% of the userbase in the last decade, you can see that by comparing amount of users that signed up for the same cup in 2014 and 2023.
With that said, from the bussiness side of things it probably didn't change much, I suppose they have 35% less users but they found ways to get more money from the 65% remaining to compensate for that.
Last couple of years seems to be more stable, I didn't check but I suppose the pandemic helped the game as it did for many online bussiness as people were forced to stay home.
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mihairo - 04-02-2024 12:21darkline wrote:We lost about 35% of the userbase in the last decade, you can see that by comparing amount of users that signed up for the same cup in 2014 and 2023.
With that said, from the bussiness side of things it probably didn't change much, I suppose they have 35% less users but they found ways to get more money from the 65% remaining to compensate for that.
Last couple of years seems to be more stable, I didn't check but I suppose the pandemic helped the game as it did for many online bussiness as people were forced to stay home.
A free Official Cup has around 10k football participants and 2k hockey participants, just as a decade ago.
If we lost 35% of the old users, that would mean that they were replaced with new ones.
But now there are so many ways to expand, we are not in the 2010s anymore.
In the same time IMHO the interest for buying a new PC dropped immensely. People searching for new games on PC simply don't exist anymore.
Just take your phone and search. It's that easy. And what's the best way to find an entertaining game? The phone play store... right?
It's simple as that.
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t4keshi - 04-02-2024 12:32mihairo wrote:I don't think the the numbers are decreasing. They have been stable in the last decade.
I'm not sure.
My first registration was in 2003 and I stopped the game several times.
But before, I saw 15-20k users connected, now it rarely exceeds 8k.
In some countries, when you start the game, you are already in div2 and even div1, whereas before you started in div7.
What were the improvements? Pay to put tattoos on players, we don't care no?
Pay to increase the training speed of players and therefore amplify the pay to win.
Today, I see communities managed like a circle of friends, their number is so tiny. And if you're not their friend, they reject you and insult you 😂
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darkline - 04-02-2024 12:38mihairo wrote:A free Official Cup has around 10k football participants and 2k hockey participants, just as a decade ago.
I mean the number of real people that play the game, not the number of users, that's two different things.....
To know the real numbers, compare paid cups and not free cups, for example:
Winter Cup 2012: 8713 managers
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=cup&sub=info&cid=10271
Winter Cup 2023: 5323 managers
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=cup&sub=info&cid=28913
So ok, my estimate was more optimistic than reality, I said we lost 35% of the users and if my math is correct based on this cup the number is close to 40%
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darkline - 04-02-2024 12:39Ya based on this cup, the exact number I get is 38.91% , of course it will fluctuate, but like I said my 35% estimate was pretty accurate.
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darkline - 04-02-2024 13:03Also I might add that is not only losing managers, but the game is losing whole communities, I'll take USA as an example, in 2012 our National Cup had 148 users, current National Cup 47 users so our numbers are much worse than the 40% average, we lost about 70% of our users and I'm sure same can be said for Countries like England, Canada, etc.
One of the reasons I think smaller communities were hit harder than larger ones is because in the past all this Countries had MAs that took care of the users, their needs and making sure things worked, like finding RAs for the Zone (USA as an example has a Zone in spanish written from users that don't even have USA accounts), users could contact their MA for all sort of things and questions, any user would click into the map of USA, England, Canada or any country and he would see who he can contact, I remember many users from USA contacted me because of that and I would help them into the game with advice, etc. or when they had a problem, now you go to the world map and unless you're from Poland, Turkey, Brazil, Argentina or a Country like that, there's absolutely no one to contact, we just don't have that same community feeling.... yes you can open a ticket if you have a question but it's very impersonal, people might even think a bot is responding.
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mihairo - 04-02-2024 13:35I think we should look forward, not be hung on the past.
Everybody is right, but we should find a way to listen to other people as well.
For e.g. Zagallo Memorial Cup has 10k, so is Beckenbauer Memorial Cup, so is the Sigmund Free Cup.
There are 5k in the Spring Cup. Maybe next year we will be 6k or 4k. It depends on our interest in the game.
@t4keshi - I started in div. 6, but my series was full of bots, so was my div. 5 series after promotion... that was 3 seasons later, because back in those days bots could actually win the series.
So fun...
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t4keshi - 04-02-2024 13:38darkline wrote:Also I might add that is not only losing managers, but the game is losing whole communities, I'll take USA as an example, in 2012 our National Cup had 148 users, current National Cup 47 users so our numbers are much worse than the 40% average, we lost about 70% of our users and I'm sure same can be said for Countries like England, Canada, etc.
One of the reasons I think smaller communities were hit harder than larger ones is because in the past all this Countries had MAs that took care of the users, their needs and making sure things worked, like finding RAs for the Zone (USA as an example has a Zone in spanish written from users that don't even have USA accounts), users could contact their MA for all sort of things and questions, any user would click into the map of USA, England, Canada or any country and he would see who he can contact, I remember many users from USA contacted me because of that and I would help them into the game with advice, etc. or when they had a problem, now you go to the world map and unless you're from Poland, Turkey, Brazil, Argentina or a Country like that, there's absolutely no one to contact, we just don't have that same community feeling.... yes you can open a ticket if you have a question but it's very impersonal, people might even think a bot is responding.
And in some communities, HMA threaten you in private messages 😅
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darkline - 04-02-2024 13:48mihairo wrote:For e.g. Zagallo Memorial Cup has 10k, so is Beckenbauer Memorial Cup, so is the Sigmund Free Cup.
That's free cups.... having 10K users on free cups when you have half the number of paid users on cups isn't a positive number, is a number that reflects other issues that apparently can't be talked about.
In any case, I like your optimism but reality is reality and I'm just bringing cold facts and numbers, they're what they're.
t4keshi wrote:And in some communities, HMA threaten you in private messages 😅
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mihairo - 04-02-2024 15:03darkline wrote:That's free cups.... having 10K users on free cups when you have half the number of paid users on cups isn't a positive number, is a number that reflects other issues that apparently can't be talked about.
In any case, I like your optimism but reality is reality and I'm just bringing cold facts and numbers, they're what they're.
I would prefer to see you positive again. Like - what's your angle? What is the solution to this thread?
I made some suggestions here.
If you like the game, play just as the rest of us. If you don't like the game anymore, take a break, maybe recharge your batteries and come back fully charged.
What I'm saying is that we should simply enjoy the game without "Crew this" and "Crew that".
As for the part with "the HMA threaten you...", we know it's not true. Let's be honest.
This thread is about prices and inflation. What's the HMAs got to do with it? None.
Unfortunately, I see this conversation going nowhere fast, but consider this: MZ is nor about winning the Champions Cup, it's about the people. Who won it last season? I have absolutely no idea. So, people trying to cheat their way up into this game are actually missing the entire point of being here.
With this said, I wish you all to simply relax and enjoy in this wonderful game!
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darkline - 04-02-2024 16:01mihairo wrote:I would prefer to see you positive again. Like - what's your angle? What is the solution to this thread?
Well.... ironically I already posted the solution to this thread and went to great detail into how to resolve it, unfortunately you won't be able to read any of that, instead you'll see:
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Followed up with a: It is not allowed to talk about the internal issues of the xa within the forum
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And the kicker is that in typical MZ fashion lucho doesn't speak a word of english but I don't want to go there.... in any case and like I said, already politely presented the solution to the problem, made a few suggestions that will help with many issues and all this without violating any rules or talking about internal issues of the xAs.....
mihairo wrote:If you like the game, play just as the rest of us. If you don't like the game anymore, take a break, maybe recharge your batteries and come back fully charged.
Well I choose a different path, I liked the game this once was, it's sad to see what is becoming and the path that is taking, so I'm pushing for a change to bring this game to it's past glory or more realistically, make it a bit better.
One thing you have to understand that like any bussiness the interest of the users & the company are not the same, the company wants to make money, sell as many tokens as possible and they don't care how, is a bussiness for them and that's fine, users on the other hand want fairness for all people and a better product (game).
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darkline - 04-02-2024 16:07mihairo wrote:what's your angle?
Btw glad you asked! So my angle is users need to push for a change or the change won't happen, is simple as that, unfortunately the community is very apathic this days, people just accepted that this will never change and managers that really cared about the game like hanzhino already left
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darkline - 04-02-2024 16:16And as a quick example of how little crew cares, check this thread:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12979814&forum_id=13&sport=soccer
For many years people have been complaining about the regions for foreign players, I can find threads I created myself from a decade ago but this is the most recent and still the problem has not been resolved and we're talking about the easiest problem to solve!!!
I mean how is it possible that USA & China are on the same region and we're allowed the same amount of foreign players? Is not a USA problem, I mean our 50 users probably don't matter in the big scheme of things but Polish, Argentinians, etc that should be on the same region as China are complaining about this unfair advantage China has.
So why has this not been resolved? It's as easy to resolve as to move Countries from one region to another, the easies most mindblowing thing that has been left unsolved for years.... is it because they're afraid they might upset the Chinese community and because no one complains loudly enough they look the other way?
Well like I said... if users don't push for changes and do it loudly, things won't change and even the easiest of the problems won't get resolved.
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t4keshi - 04-02-2024 16:49mihairo wrote:As for the part with "the HMA threaten you...", we know it's not true. Let's be honest
Lol I still have the messages
You are very protective of the crew and the A's. Maybe you want free tokens? 😂