Change languageSo after a long while off and a case of doing the maths... MZ is cheaper than many other silly games I subscribe to.
I'm going to be back in it. Youth league and world league here I come.
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disinocht - 02-07-2023 15:33big_green_shoe wrote:So after a long while off and a case of doing the maths... MZ is cheaper than many other silly games I subscribe to.
I'm going to be back in it. Youth league and world league here I come.
MZ is not as expensive as people say it is! At least not in my opinion!😄
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big_green_shoe - 02-07-2023 22:49Precisely.
384 PT for 2 years membership
550 PT for £95
Just over 17p per token.
Just over £66 for 2 years membership. £2.76 per month.
Plus extra league entries...
Less than £9 for tickets for 1 year.
Want to book your friendly matches with no faff?
£4 per month.
When you look at the monthly cost of other games MZ is excellent value
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big_green_shoe - 02-07-2023 22:55Of course you can just pay monthly and take the hit on the price;)
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frankiejhoffa - 05-07-2023 06:49Its a digital service - Explain to me again why Australians should be charged a lot more than most ?
Hoffa
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big_green_shoe - 05-07-2023 18:07frankiejhoffa wrote:Its a digital service - Explain to me again why Australians should be charged a lot more than most ?
Because you also earn a lot more than here in the UK. ;)
Why is it so cheap in India? Same reason...
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frankiejhoffa - 08-07-2023 03:03big_green_shoe wrote:Because you also earn a lot more than here in the UK. ;)
Why is it so cheap in India? Same reason...
Your Answer is as flawed as the English cricket team . Switzerland , Sweden . Denmark to name a few have have a way better standard of living than us battling Aussies . Yet they pay less ?
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big_green_shoe - 08-07-2023 18:56Maybe crew don't like the weather you have over there :p
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darkline - 08-07-2023 21:59big_green_shoe wrote:Because you also earn a lot more than here in the UK. ;)
Why is it so cheap in India? Same reason...
MZ is not cheap in India, I think they pay the same as European Countries.... Argentina is cheap, Brazil is cheap, that's the reason they have so many users.
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big_green_shoe - 08-07-2023 22:17Fair enough. I would however put money on if they lowered the price for Oz etc that it would increase the customer base by too much...?
Can't help but think they need to advertise the game more.
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darkline - 10-07-2023 13:48Australia is cheaper than UK/USA btw...
Got a list of the prices from all Countries sorted by least expensive to most expensive, the prices are in local currency and on the right side in Brazilian currency as this list was compiled by a brazilian guy (except the first ones that I translated to USD for easier comparison)
Prices for 25 TOKENS
Argentina: 209.00 ARS ($0.80 USD) (0.73 EUR)
Brasil: 11.99 BRL ($2.49 USD) (2.27 EUR)
Turquia: 65.99 TRY ($ 2.53 USD)
Polônia: 14.99 PLN ($3.69 USD) (3.37 EUR)
Índia: 339.00 INR ($4.10 USD)
Angola, Azerbaijão, Bangladesh, Bolívia, Cazaquistão, China, Costa Rica, Egito, Equador, El Salvador, Geórgia, Guatemala, Honduras, Irã, Jordânia, Líbano, Nigéria, Paquistão, Panamá, Paraguai, Peru, Quênia, República Dominicana, Senegal, Trinidad e Tobago, Tunísia, Uruguai, Venezuela, Vietnã: 4.19 USD
Marrocos: 42.00 MAD (R$ 20,58)
Malásia: 19.99 MYR (R$ 20,80)
Colômbia: 17599.00 COP (R$ 21,12)
Indonésia: 66659.00 IDR (R$ 21,33)
Tailãndia: 154.00 THB (R$ 21,56)
Filipinas: 249.00 PHP (R$ 21,66)
Chile: 3629.00 CLP (R$ 22,14)
Hungria: 1610.00 HUF (R$ 22,54)
Argélia: 639.00 DZD (R$ 23,04)
Bulgária: 8.99 BGN (R$ 24,27)
Romênia: 22.99 RON (R$ 24,38)
Albânia, Belarus, Bósnia, Macedônia do Norte, Moldáva, Montenegro: 4.79 EUR (R$ 25,24)
Czechia: 119.00 CZK (R$ 26,18)
México: 94.00 MXN (R$ 26,32)
Croácia, Estônia, Grécia, Letônia, Lituânia, Malta, Portugal, Eslováquia, Eslovênia: 5.39 EUR (R$ 28,35)
MZ Country (Japão): 860.00 JPY (R$ 28,38)
Suécia: 65.99 SEK (R$ 29,70)
Noruega: 67.99 NOK (R$ 30,60)
Israel: 24.99 ILS (R$ 32,74)
Coréia do Sul: 9020.00 KRW (R$ 33,37)
Alemanha, Andorra, Áustria, Bélgica, Espanha, Finlândia, França, Irlanda, Islândia, Itália, Luxemburgo, Países Baixos: 6.49 EUR (R$ 34,20)
Austrália: 10.69 AUD (R$ 34,64)
Dinamarca, Ilhas Faroé: 48.99 DKK (R$ 34,78)
Canadá: 9.99 CAD (R$ 36,53)
Escócia, Inglaterra, Irlanda do Norte, País de Gales: 5.99 GBP (R$ 36,91)
Arábia Saudita: 28.99 SAR (R$ 37,43)
Liechtenstein, Suíça: 6.99 CHF (R$ 37,76)
USA, Kuwait, Quirguistão, MZ Country (exceto Japão): 7.99 USD
Singapura: 10.90 SGD (R$ 39,12)
Emirados Árabes Unidos: 31.99 AED (R$ 42,22)
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So basically, a user in USA pays 10 times more than a user in Argentina.... is no coincidence that Argentina has a very active community with thousand of users creating leagues and competitions while Countries like USA barely have 40 or 50 users.
There is a clear relation betweeen price of the tokens and number of users and level of activity of the community, top Countries with most users in MZ are the Countries with the cheapest tokens.
I'm sure that if they set the prices of tokens to Brazil or Turkey level (2.30 Euros), they will have many more users and at the very least all the users they already have will expend more money in tokens creating more friendly leagues and being more involved with the game.
I don't really get why they don't do it, at least try it with a couple of big Countries with ridiculously small users base like USA/England/etc.... I mean what crew has to lose if they try it? USA has a population of 330M people and we have 38 club members and losing a few each month, England has 56 Club Members... seriously, with our extremely low number of managers how much profit do we bring to MZ each month? Simple math says between $800 to $1000? If they lower the prices and it doesn't work how much can they lose in profit, a few $100s? I'm sure lowering the prices will work and will increase community activity and number of users but even if I'm wrong isn't it work to try considering it's a very low risk investment with the potential of a high return?
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darkline - 10-07-2023 13:50Btw the number of CMs I put is not a random number... USA had 38 users play on the last Nations Cup and England 56 Users, I'm assuming all of them are CMs but the real number might be lower as someone can just pay just to play the cup without being a CM.
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darkline - 10-07-2023 14:00For example Poland is one of the Countries with the cheapest tokens in the world and had 563 users in the last National Cup, almost exactly 10 times more users than England....
Poland has half the population than England and 10 times more users in MZ..... it's very clear that price of tokens has a direct relation to number of users, specially if we compare two Countries like Poland and England.
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big_green_shoe - 10-07-2023 18:45A very fair point. I wonder if one of the GA or MAs could put a decent case forward in their own forum? I know back in the day there was at least a half decent conversion between the As and Crew members on it.
Maybe also more of an incentive for users to put their own adverts up to try and recruit people if they know/feel it is cheap(er) than it was.
Has anyone ever seen an advert for ManagerZone?
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hooper14 - 12-07-2023 10:18Wow that is crazy, how cheap is Argentina!!
Top 4 cheapest also the biggest 4 countries, Correlation does not imply causation but it firmly looks like it.
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darkline - 14-07-2023 00:48Well there's actually a piece of European Law that goes like this:
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/pricing-payments/index_en.htm
Price discrimination
As an EU national or resident you can't be charged a higher price when buying products or services in the EU just because of your nationality or country of residence.
When you buy goods online in the EU, prices may vary from country to country or across different versions of the same website, for example due to differences in delivery costs. However, if you buy goods online without cross-border delivery – such as when you buy something online which you intend to collect from a trader or shop yourself – you should have access to the same prices and special offers as buyers living in that EU country. You cannot be charged more or prevented from buying something just because you live in another country.
The same rules apply when you buy services provided at the trader's premises, for example when you buy entry tickets for an amusement park, book a hotel, rent a car, or when you buy electronically supplied services (such as cloud services or website hosting), you are entitled to have access to the same prices as local buyers.
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I'm no lawyer, but if I understood this correctly charging someone is Poland 3.37 EUR for 25 tokens and charging someone in Germany, Spain, etc. 6.49 EUR for the same product is against the EU consumer laws....
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darkline - 10-03-2024 10:43Everytime I see the price difference it gets me mad, specially when I just accidentally used 25 tokens to buy membership that I don't currently need.
Anyway, 550 tokens costs $12 USD in Argentina, $129 USD in USA, that's 10 times more, it's just too much of a difference, I refuse to pay $129 for something that costs $12 USD.
I also did some math and if I were to pay CM + all the events for extra perks that you really need if you want to play + all the World Leagues then in USA you're looking at expending about $300 USD a year.... that's too much, I can buy FIFA for ₤70, play ultimate team for the whole year without having to expend any extra money and then after a year you just buy a new updated version with a new game engine, etc... $300 USD a year for a browser game that has a game engine that has not been updated since 2010 and still has bugs as old as that is just incredibly expensive.
It's sad because the reason Countries like USA & England have an average of 50 users or less is only because of pricing, I just feel like they want to squeeze them as much as they can since 50 English users at this rate are worth the same $$$ than 500 users in Argentina. If they had more reasonable prices I'm sure the userbase would grow but they rather squeeze a couple of loyal users than take the risk of lowering the prices.
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charlesbee - 10-03-2024 13:26darkline wrote:Everytime I see the price difference it gets me mad, specially when I just accidentally used 25 tokens to buy membership that I don't currently need.
Anyway, 550 tokens costs $12 USD in Argentina, $129 USD in USA, that's 10 times more, it's just too much of a difference, I refuse to pay $129 for something that costs $12 USD.
I also did some math and if I were to pay CM + all the events for extra perks that you really need if you want to play + all the World Leagues then in USA you're looking at expending about $300 USD a year.... that's too much, I can buy FIFA for ₤70, play ultimate team for the whole year without having to expend any extra money and then after a year you just buy a new updated version with a new game engine, etc... $300 USD a year for a browser game that has a game engine that has not been updated since 2010 and still has bugs as old as that is just incredibly expensive.
It's sad because the reason Countries like USA & England have an average of 50 users or less is only because of pricing, I just feel like they want to squeeze them as much as they can since 50 English users at this rate are worth the same $$$ than 500 users in Argentina. If they had more reasonable prices I'm sure the userbase would grow but they rather squeeze a couple of loyal users than take the risk of lowering the prices.
@darkline I support your idea that this pricing in supposedly "big" "rich" countries is an insane marketting policy probably even for the own interests of MZ development. Most of these countries also have more and more people broke at day 15 of each month.
It is also rebuking and deterrent for most European countries and explains why Nations like France Germany England are fare less impressive in MZ than in real soccer.
England created soccer. If England disappears from Managerzone then this is probably a bad signal. Is the name Managerzone made of english words ? Manager est-il un verbe français importé en 1066 ? 😅
And to have a French "official" sounding like an English patriot should look weird to some ears and inspire some warning and respect for the argument ! 🤣
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darkline - 10-03-2024 16:59I mean, if you go to McDonalds in Argentina expect to pay around $5 USD for a burger & coke, now imagine if McDonalds in true MZ fashion would choose to charge $50 USD for the same crappy burger on supposedly "rich" Countries? Do you think they will sell many burgers? Surely a few fanatics of McDonalds will still pay $50 USD for a burger just because they can't live without their Mickey D's but they would make more money selling their burgers at a fair price instead of trying to squeeze as much money as possible out of a few unconditional fans.
And that's pretty much what happens in MZ, instead of pricing MZ fairly on "rich" Countries which with time should increase the quantity of active managers, they prefer to sell an expensive product to loyal followers that will still pay no matter how high the price.
Paying $8.00 USD for something that sells for $0.80 in other Countries feels like a scam.
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big_green_shoe - 10-03-2024 18:55I like the McDonald's comparison. Puts some reality to it.
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evosa - 10-03-2024 19:06darkline. i like how you compare prices in Argentina and USA. Now compare incomes
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darkline - 10-03-2024 19:50evosa wrote:darkline. i like how you compare prices in Argentina and USA. Now compare incomes :D
Income is irrelevant, if Bill Gates wants to buy an iphone you don't charge him $1.000.000 USD just because he earns more than 99.99% of the people, many goods are more expensive in Argentina than in Europe, clothing is more expensive in Argentina and branded clothing is a ripoff, a Levi's Jean is about $160 USD, electronics are way more expensive in Argentina, I have friends that come visit me in England and they can't believe how cheap the clothing is at Primark for example, they always go on a shopping spree.... of course Primark is Primark but you can't get any clothing in Argentina at their prices, what's cheaper in Argentina is food, electricity, transport, that sort of thing... not crazy cheaper, just cheaper.
A better comparison might be Netflix? That's an online service so it's comparable to managerzone? The most basic plan with ads costs $4.00 USD in Argentina, same service in England costs £4.99 ($7.70 USD) ... I'll say that's fair enough considering the income difference between Countries? Costs almost twice as much? Now imagine if Netflix did a managerzone and tried to charge £49 a month for their ad supported lower tier plan? Do you think they will have many subscribers?
So of course, with almost free tokens in some Countries, their userbase grows up, they create tons of friendly leagues and internal competitions, etc. because it's cheap, and it really sucks than on "rich" Countries we barely have any users or activity due to the prices.
It's ironic, 5 Europeans pay the same money for CM than 50 Argentinians, but if 5 Europeans complain they ignore them because it's just 5 people and that can be easily ignored.... now imagine what would happen if you have 50 Argentinians complaining? Will they ignore them?
I'm talking about Argentina because it's the more extreme example and the Country I know the most, but they're not alone, every single Country with a decent userbase has lower token prices, there is a direct correlation between token prices and quantity of users. Just to be clear, I'm not complaining that they have cheap tokens, I'm complaining that we have to pay 10 times more in other Countries and that's just too much!
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big_green_shoe - 10-03-2024 21:26Netflix comparison is also equally good in my book.
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big_green_shoe - 10-03-2024 21:29What about comparison to phone games? Hill Climb Racing as an example
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hooper14 - 11-03-2024 13:49darkline wrote:
Anyway, 550 tokens costs $12 USD in Argentina, $129 USD in USA, that's 10 times more, it's just too much of a difference, I refuse to pay $129 for something that costs $12 USD.
WOW! this can't continue
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sadragon29 - 11-03-2024 23:29Learning about these price differences is one of the reasons I don't buy CM anymore. I also believe it's a big reason why the Canadian user base is small, don't even need to compare our prices with others to know it's insanely high, especially these days with inflation and cost of living going up. If you play both sports it's even crazier, at the moment it's $79.99CAD for 250PT which gives you a 12month CM(216PT) in one sport. First time i've been to the shop since the prices went up, I actually threw up a little. Perhaps a lower price if you pay for both sports would help grow hockey a bit. I basically spend about $20-$30 on PT every few years just to use on the things I actually want. There is definitely a link between user base and prices. Also shoutout to darkline for the work they put in!
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troyh65 - 15-03-2024 00:05Great examples and puts everything into perspective.
Oliver Anthony would say 'It's a damn shame, what MZ is gotten to, for people like me, and people like you, wish I could just wake up and it not be true, but it is, oh it is.'
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darkline - 15-03-2024 01:52Well Like I said on a different thread, no Country should pay more than double the price of the cheapest Countries, since the cheapest Country is Argentina at $12 USD for 550 tokens, then the most expensive shouldn't be more than $24 USD for 550 tokens.
It doesn't matter to me who pays the cheapest tokens, price should be capped at 2X the cheapest value, it should be a range, if the cheapest is 30 USD for 550 tokens, then value should be capped at $60 USD, if it's 50 USD then cap it at $100 USD, if it's $12 USD as it currently is then value should be capped at $24 USD.
Then I read many fallacious arguments, someone said "oh tokens in Argentina are expensive because the average minimum wage earning guy makes $500 USD a month" and I get it, that's not that much but we pay 11X that value and the average minimum wage earner doesn't make $5500 USD a month... then what about Venezuela? They're way worse than Argentina but their tokens costs 6 times more, same can be said for India or many other "poor" Countries.
Anyway, I already said this and I'll say it again just to leave absolutely no doubt, I don't care about the prices in Argentina or any other Country with cheap tokens, the only thing I care about is not being charged more than double than anyone else in the World which I think is something very reasonable, right?
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thunderexpress - 15-03-2024 08:46darkline wrote:
Anyway, I already said this and I'll say it again just to leave absolutely no doubt, I don't care about the prices in Argentina or any other Country with cheap tokens, the only thing I care about is not being charged more than double than anyone else in the World which I think is something very reasonable, right?
I tried to explain the reason in several other ticketes and threads, and that we will balance the countries.
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darkline - 15-03-2024 16:31thunderexpress wrote:I tried to explain the reason in several other ticketes and threads, and that we will balance the countries.
Thanks for the response Peter, hopefully you will come to a good balance for all, I really believe adjusting the prices on the most expensive Countries will help grow the userbase by retaining new users, even old users might get more involved with the game by participating on more competitions & leagues if the price is right.
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troyh65 - 19-03-2024 00:50darkline wrote:Thanks for the response Peter, hopefully you will come to a good balance for all, I really believe adjusting the prices on the most expensive Countries will help grow the userbase by retaining new users, even old users might get more involved with the game by participating on more competitions & leagues if the price is right.
100% agree.
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bracaturugol - 18-04-2024 20:05I would like to see darkline living in Argentina with a salary of $400.000 (around 400usd) and then to share a new opinion regarding the cost of the Power Tokens
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bracaturugol - 18-04-2024 20:32darkline wrote:Australia is cheaper than UK/USA btw...
Got a list of the prices from all Countries sorted by least expensive to most expensive, the prices are in local currency and on the right side in Brazilian currency as this list was compiled by a brazilian guy (except the first ones that I translated to USD for easier comparison)
Prices for 25 TOKENS
Argentina: 209.00 ARS ($0.80 USD) (0.73 EUR)
Brasil: 11.99 BRL ($2.49 USD) (2.27 EUR)
Turquia: 65.99 TRY ($ 2.53 USD)
Polônia: 14.99 PLN ($3.69 USD) (3.37 EUR)
Índia: 339.00 INR ($4.10 USD)
Angola, Azerbaijão, Bangladesh, Bolívia, Cazaquistão, China, Costa Rica, Egito, Equador, El Salvador, Geórgia, Guatemala, Honduras, Irã, Jordânia, Líbano, Nigéria, Paquistão, Panamá, Paraguai, Peru, Quênia, República Dominicana, Senegal, Trinidad e Tobago, Tunísia, Uruguai, Venezuela, Vietnã: 4.19 USD
Marrocos: 42.00 MAD (R$ 20,58)
Malásia: 19.99 MYR (R$ 20,80)
Colômbia: 17599.00 COP (R$ 21,12)
Indonésia: 66659.00 IDR (R$ 21,33)
Tailãndia: 154.00 THB (R$ 21,56)
Filipinas: 249.00 PHP (R$ 21,66)
Chile: 3629.00 CLP (R$ 22,14)
Hungria: 1610.00 HUF (R$ 22,54)
Argélia: 639.00 DZD (R$ 23,04)
Bulgária: 8.99 BGN (R$ 24,27)
Romênia: 22.99 RON (R$ 24,38)
Albânia, Belarus, Bósnia, Macedônia do Norte, Moldáva, Montenegro: 4.79 EUR (R$ 25,24)
Czechia: 119.00 CZK (R$ 26,18)
México: 94.00 MXN (R$ 26,32)
Croácia, Estônia, Grécia, Letônia, Lituânia, Malta, Portugal, Eslováquia, Eslovênia: 5.39 EUR (R$ 28,35)
MZ Country (Japão): 860.00 JPY (R$ 28,38)
Suécia: 65.99 SEK (R$ 29,70)
Noruega: 67.99 NOK (R$ 30,60)
Israel: 24.99 ILS (R$ 32,74)
Coréia do Sul: 9020.00 KRW (R$ 33,37)
Alemanha, Andorra, Áustria, Bélgica, Espanha, Finlândia, França, Irlanda, Islândia, Itália, Luxemburgo, Países Baixos: 6.49 EUR (R$ 34,20)
Austrália: 10.69 AUD (R$ 34,64)
Dinamarca, Ilhas Faroé: 48.99 DKK (R$ 34,78)
Canadá: 9.99 CAD (R$ 36,53)
Escócia, Inglaterra, Irlanda do Norte, País de Gales: 5.99 GBP (R$ 36,91)
Arábia Saudita: 28.99 SAR (R$ 37,43)
Liechtenstein, Suíça: 6.99 CHF (R$ 37,76)
USA, Kuwait, Quirguistão, MZ Country (exceto Japão): 7.99 USD
Singapura: 10.90 SGD (R$ 39,12)
Emirados Árabes Unidos: 31.99 AED (R$ 42,22)
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So basically, a user in USA pays 10 times more than a user in Argentina.... is no coincidence that Argentina has a very active community with thousand of users creating leagues and competitions while Countries like USA barely have 40 or 50 users.
There is a clear relation betweeen price of the tokens and number of users and level of activity of the community, top Countries with most users in MZ are the Countries with the cheapest tokens.
I'm sure that if they set the prices of tokens to Brazil or Turkey level (2.30 Euros), they will have many more users and at the very least all the users they already have will expend more money in tokens creating more friendly leagues and being more involved with the game.
I don't really get why they don't do it, at least try it with a couple of big Countries with ridiculously small users base like USA/England/etc.... I mean what crew has to lose if they try it? USA has a population of 330M people and we have 38 club members and losing a few each month, England has 56 Club Members... seriously, with our extremely low number of managers how much profit do we bring to MZ each month? Simple math says between $800 to $1000? If they lower the prices and it doesn't work how much can they lose in profit, a few $100s? I'm sure lowering the prices will work and will increase community activity and number of users but even if I'm wrong isn't it work to try considering it's a very low risk investment with the potential of a high return?
New price in Argentina
25 Power Tokens: 1599.00 ARS + 70% of taxes = 2700.00 ARS = 2.8usd
Argetina Average salary 350usd - 250PTs arounf 3usd = 0.85%
USA average salary per month 5000usd - 250PTs 8usd = 0.16%
Are you happy now?
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hooterman - 18-04-2024 21:05bracaturugol wrote:I would like to see darkline living in Argentina with a salary of $400.000 (around 400usd) and then to share a new opinion regarding the cost of the Power Tokens
I would like to see you bracaturugol live in England on a salary of roughly 1200 dollars (1000 GBP) a month only 3 times more than the Argentinian wage above and with £500 of that going on rent, leaving just 500 a month for food and bills ect and then PAY 10 times the amount that Argentina users pay for 550 tokens, £10 vs £100 does this sound and look right in your honest opinion and then give us all a solution to the problem that is fair for everyone.
Not everyone in England are on huge wages. My wages I can guarantee you will not be 10 times higher than your own monthly wage.
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bracaturugol - 18-04-2024 21:09hooterman wrote:I would like to see you bracaturugol live in England on a salary of roughly 1200 dollars (1000 GBP) a month only 3 times more than the Argentinian wage above and with £500 of that going on rent, leaving just 500 a month for food and bills ect and then PAY 10 times the amount that Argentina users pay for 550 tokens, £10 vs £100 does this sound and look right in your honest opinion and then give us all a solution to the problem that is fair for everyone.
Not everyone in England are on huge wages. My wages I can guarantee you will not be 10 times higher than your own monthly wage.
What is the interanual inflation rate there?
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hooterman - 18-04-2024 21:14bracaturugol wrote:
Those figures are for the the average persons wage a month, which I highly doubt every American user on here will be earning, they probably wont be earning anywhere close to that 5000 a month.
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hooterman - 18-04-2024 21:21bracaturugol wrote:What is the interanual inflation rate there?
I haven't a scooby.
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bracaturugol - 19-04-2024 00:46hooterman wrote:Those figures are for the the average persons wage a month, which I highly doubt every American user on here will be earning, they probably wont be earning anywhere close to that 5000 a month.
I obtained both amounts in google. I think that is too high, but the salary for Argentina is too high either
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bracaturugol - 19-04-2024 00:49hooterman wrote:I would like to see you bracaturugol live in England on a salary of roughly 1200 dollars (1000 GBP) a month only 3 times more than the Argentinian wage above and with £500 of that going on rent, leaving just 500 a month for food and bills ect and then PAY 10 times the amount that Argentina users pay for 550 tokens, £10 vs £100 does this sound and look right in your honest opinion and then give us all a solution to the problem that is fair for everyone.
Not everyone in England are on huge wages. My wages I can guarantee you will not be 10 times higher than your own monthly wage.
I'm saying thay the new price for argentina is too high, and a lot of persons will stop buying.
Isn't better to have a lot paying an small amount that just a few paying a big price?
I don't want to argue with you, if you consider that the cost is elevated to you, you should raise your hand and try to find a solution
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hooterman - 19-04-2024 11:36I'm not sure there is a solution to any of this. But what I can see happening is price's for the country's who pay the lowest amount for tokens rise and country's who pay the highest for tokens lowering. Crew wont want too take a negative hit on there finances and by doing the above they wont lose out.
As for losing paying customers, it may not be as many as you think. A lot of managers have spent years building up teams and have built a reputation for winning many titles, nationals cups, leagues friendly leagues ect they wont want too lose all that respect that they have earned and will find a way to carry on paying for membership. Some obviously will just walk away.
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sweem - 19-04-2024 18:30
Judging by the Argentinian Forum, there was a cost increase for them on MZ, or "will be" ?. Maybe as a result of these recent debates? My spanish is not amazing, so I could miss some context, but somebody from the Argentina community can correct me if I am wrong?
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hooterman - 19-04-2024 22:16Yes Ive just seen the rise, a 300% increase, a bit steep of an increase but I'm gonna guess that the increase brings it in line with what Brazil is currently paying for tokens, but i could be wrong.
If increase's are going to happen on that kind of scale then at least give us all a new SIM and not run with a 14 year old SIM that has gone rusty. The SIM is due a good oiling.
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darkline - 19-04-2024 23:23bracaturugol wrote:New price in Argentina
25 Power Tokens: 1599.00 ARS + 70% of taxes = 2700.00 ARS = 2.8usd
Argetina Average salary 350usd - 250PTs arounf 3usd = 0.85%
USA average salary per month 5000usd - 250PTs 8usd = 0.16%
Are you happy now?
Why would I be happy? I still have to pay $130 USD for 550 tokens + conversion fees from dollar to pound because for some reason this new payment provider changed the tokens store from UK (where I live & pay my bills) to USA (the Country I used to live 15 years ago)
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darkline - 19-04-2024 23:34bracaturugol wrote:I obtained both amounts in google. I think that is too high, but the salary for Argentina is too high either
So out of curiosity, if your average salary is $350 USD, how do you even buy & own a computer, pay your electricity & internet service and still have money to buy food, pay rent, heating, gas for your car, taxes, bills and still have spare time & money to relax and pay to play at managerzone?
I doubt anyone earning $350 USD a month is playing MZ to be honest, unfortunately there are very poor people in Argentina but they're more concerned about what they're going to eat tonight than the prices of the tokens in MZ.... now average means average, so if you have 9 people earning $200 a month and 1 person earning $1500 USD a month, your average salary is going to be $330 USD.
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troyh65 - Sunday 02:07So Argentina goes up? Then what has come down?? Nothing? Absolutely ridiculous. What a farce.
I don't think the idea of the thread was to have increases to anyone, rather decreases to those that have been savaged by MZ management for years.
This will backfire big time. Who is running this clown show?
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troyh65 - Sunday 02:16The more I ponder about countries having increases, the more I'm getting angry. This is very bad. MZ crew, you should be ashamed of yourselves
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darkline - Tuesday 01:07troyh65 wrote:I don't think the idea of the thread was to have increases to anyone, rather decreases to those that have been savaged by MZ management for years.
Well yes, that's exactly the point....
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darkline - Tuesday 01:17I mean like I mentioned, it should be a range and no Country should have to pay more than double the cheapest Country, if the price for tokens in Argentina/Brazil is 2.40 USD for 25 tokens, then the range should be from $2.40 USD to $4.80 USD and it not only seems reasonable but doable, if the prices are too high fewer people will buy tokens, set fair prices and I'm sure in the long run the game will benefit but at $7.99 for 25 tokens what happens is that you don't retain new users and many of the users you have just buy enough tokens to pay for membership and that's it because if you want to participate from everything you're looking at $20 USD a month between extra leagues, events, etc. and that's just too much for a browser game.