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Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 05-06-2022 18:47

[ENG]

Can someone confirm which is more effective, I would naturally think a player improves quicker at a Training Camp but is this true? Does it depend on the player, or the amount of balls that coach has in a specific skill? Looking for an answer from the more experienced players really from what they've learned over time, unless thers is a general rule/pattern? Many thanks in advance ChrisCan someone confirm which is more effective, I would naturally think a player improves quicker at a Training Camp but is this true? Does it depend on the player, or the amount of balls that coach has in a specific skill?

Looking for an answer from the more experienced players really from what they've learned over time, unless thers is a general rule/pattern?

Many thanks in advance

Chris

 

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Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By charef (FA) (NC) - 05-06-2022 20:38

[PV]

You'll need bothYou'll need both

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 05-06-2022 21:06

[ENG]

I intend to, but I wondered is one more economical than the other?

charef wrote:

You'll need both

I intend to, but I wondered is one more economical than the other?

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By troyh65 - 06-06-2022 06:23

[Juve]

Training Speed in Training Camps The longer a player stays at a Training Camp, the faster he will train. Training Speed increases as follows: Week Training Speed 1 +100% (normal Training Speed x 2.0) 2 +150% (normal Training Speed x 2.5) 3 +200% (normal Training Speed x 3.0) 4 +250% (normal Training Speed x 3.5) 5 +300% (normal Training Speed x 4.0) Based on that, this is vitally important and the improvement to your player is more than normal coaching. You can also buy cheap coaches with low ball numbers that will still have a positive impact to your training, but nothing is greater or better than a full campTraining Speed in Training Camps
The longer a player stays at a Training Camp, the faster he will train. Training Speed increases as follows:

Week Training Speed
1 +100% (normal Training Speed x 2.0)
2 +150% (normal Training Speed x 2.5)
3 +200% (normal Training Speed x 3.0)
4 +250% (normal Training Speed x 3.5)
5 +300% (normal Training Speed x 4.0)

Based on that, this is vitally important and the improvement to your player is more than normal coaching.

You can also buy cheap coaches with low ball numbers that will still have a positive impact to your training, but nothing is greater or better than a full camp

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 06-06-2022 10:07

[ENG]

Oh wow I didn't know that, thanks mate.

troyh65 wrote:

Training Speed in Training Camps
The longer a player stays at a Training Camp, the faster he will train. Training Speed increases as follows:

Week Training Speed
1 +100% (normal Training Speed x 2.0)
2 +150% (normal Training Speed x 2.5)
3 +200% (normal Training Speed x 3.0)
4 +250% (normal Training Speed x 3.5)
5 +300% (normal Training Speed x 4.0)

Based on that, this is vitally important and the improvement to your player is more than normal coaching.

You can also buy cheap coaches with low ball numbers that will still have a positive impact to your training, but nothing is greater or better than a full camp

Oh wow I didn't know that, thanks mate.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By douglaskampl - 06-06-2022 10:59

[BRAU18]
President

Always send young players to training camps, since they'll have that efficiency boost, but keep in mind that it's not worth doing that for old players. Those you can keep on the training area, aided by coaches. By old I probably mean something around 25 years old. But it can vary, for better or for worse. I've had some snail-paced 21 year-old players…Always send young players to training camps, since they'll have that efficiency boost, but keep in mind that it's not worth doing that for old players. Those you can keep on the training area, aided by coaches.

By old I probably mean something around 25 years old. But it can vary, for better or for worse. I've had some snail-paced 21 year-old players…

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 06-06-2022 11:17

[ENG]

Yea I imagined that would the case to add some realism, I've got 16-19 year olds in camp now. I will probably attempt some older at some stage, taking a risk on players I've bought especially ones that have not been to training camps in their younger years and see what happens but won't get my hopes up! LOL

douglaskampl wrote:

Always send young players to training camps, since they'll have that efficiency boost, but keep in mind that it's not worth doing that for old players. Those you can keep on the training area, aided by coaches.

By old I probably mean something around 25 years old. But it can vary, for better or for worse. I've had some snail-paced 21 year-old players…

Yea I imagined that would the case to add some realism, I've got 16-19 year olds in camp now. I will probably attempt some older at some stage, taking a risk on players I've bought especially ones that have not been to training camps in their younger years and see what happens but won't get my hopes up! LOL

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By jere92 - 08-06-2022 01:45

You should have plan who is worth to camp and whos not. Players with high potential have to go camp all the way to 24yo. Players that are not valued high / have bad maxings shouldn't be camped. Some examples. Had to go camps all the way [fpl=212572735] [fpl=213629385] [fpl=214471215] If you are going to put millions into player camping the players you put into camp should also be worth millions. Also its an investment if you camp something is he going to be that worth on market or not? Or does he bring you value for the money instead of buying a player. About coahces you should have for about every skill 9 ball coach so you can train everything. Exclude Set pieces. For U18 I have speed, stamina, keeping, shooting, tackling and ball control coaches at 9 balls.You should have plan who is worth to camp and whos not.

Players with high potential have to go camp all the way to 24yo. Players that are not valued high / have bad maxings shouldn't be camped.

Some examples.

Had to go camps all the way

Onni Nurmi

Age: 33

Tomáš Lamačka

Age: 32

Taavetti Vihervä

Age: 31

If you are going to put millions into player camping the players you put into camp should also be worth millions. Also its an investment if you camp something is he going to be that worth on market or not? Or does he bring you value for the money instead of buying a player.

About coahces you should have for about every skill 9 ball coach so you can train everything. Exclude Set pieces.

For U18 I have speed, stamina, keeping, shooting, tackling and ball control coaches at 9 balls.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 08-06-2022 10:28

[ENG]

Thanks for all the info it's useful. Regards under 18 training, I have coaches for everything but I have first team coaches too, so to manage cost I got coaches with 5/6 balls in everything for my 16 year olds. Would the youths train faster with a 9 ball coach or do the balls mean that coach can only take a player so far (to the amount of balls he has) before the rate of training decreases to the standard level? This was my assumption.

jere92 wrote:

You should have plan who is worth to camp and whos not.

Players with high potential have to go camp all the way to 24yo. Players that are not valued high / have bad maxings shouldn't be camped.

Some examples.

Had to go camps all the way

Onni Nurmi

Age: 33

Tomáš Lamačka

Age: 32

Taavetti Vihervä

Age: 31

If you are going to put millions into player camping the players you put into camp should also be worth millions. Also its an investment if you camp something is he going to be that worth on market or not? Or does he bring you value for the money instead of buying a player.

About coahces you should have for about every skill 9 ball coach so you can train everything. Exclude Set pieces.

For U18 I have speed, stamina, keeping, shooting, tackling and ball control coaches at 9 balls.

Thanks for all the info it's useful. Regards under 18 training, I have coaches for everything but I have first team coaches too, so to manage cost I got coaches with 5/6 balls in everything for my 16 year olds. Would the youths train faster with a 9 ball coach or do the balls mean that coach can only take a player so far (to the amount of balls he has) before the rate of training decreases to the standard level? This was my assumption.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By jere92 - 08-06-2022 10:57

Its also considered that higher amount of balls still gives better results. At first I used 9 balls for seniors and 7 for youths. But then I changed My coaches to 9 on youths aswell cos the cost wasn't that much more higher. You can find coaches with 4 stars and 9 balls for 4-6k € weekly aswell so the weekly increase was something like 20k€ per week. I thought that it would be better be safe than sorry. But its not bad idea either keep 7 balls for youths and 9 for seniors. When you get your finances going you can always change them to 9 when you feel its worth it or you can afford it better. Last season I spent Training Camp costs 1 987 154 EUR Staff salaries 1 080 347 EUR My staff salaries probably isn't optimal but im trying to lower the costs not so actively. Also I have tried to keep TC costs at 1,5M per season but its not that strict.Its also considered that higher amount of balls still gives better results. At first I used 9 balls for seniors and 7 for youths. But then I changed My coaches to 9 on youths aswell cos the cost wasn't that much more higher. You can find coaches with 4 stars and 9 balls for 4-6k € weekly aswell so the weekly increase was something like 20k€ per week. I thought that it would be better be safe than sorry. But its not bad idea either keep 7 balls for youths and 9 for seniors. When you get your finances going you can always change them to 9 when you feel its worth it or you can afford it better.

Last season I spent

Training Camp costs 1 987 154 EUR

Staff salaries 1 080 347 EUR

My staff salaries probably isn't optimal but im trying to lower the costs not so actively. Also I have tried to keep TC costs at 1,5M per season but its not that strict.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By jere92 - 08-06-2022 11:16

To clarify I have 16 coaches 4 stars each. 10 seniors Stamina 9 Shooting 9 Tackling 9 Play Int 9 Ball Control 9 Keeping 9 Passing 9 Aerial Passing 9 Heading 9 Set Pieces 9 6 youths Speed 9 Stamina 9 Shooting 9 Tackling 9 Ball Control 9 Keeping 9 Seniors don't have speed coach as all my youths train speed up to 7 and the remainders 7+ balls are taken in training camps. You can also take every coach as 7 for starters if it feels over whelming and train 7+ balls in camps and upgrade them bit by bit. And you don't need Set piece coach I just have one to experiment. Also you don't need this many coaches for starters if your squad size doesn't requier it. But the end goal should be there where is player also is 9 ball coach.To clarify I have 16 coaches 4 stars each.

10 seniors

Stamina 9
Shooting 9
Tackling 9
Play Int 9
Ball Control 9
Keeping 9
Passing 9
Aerial Passing 9
Heading 9
Set Pieces 9

6 youths

Speed 9
Stamina 9
Shooting 9
Tackling 9
Ball Control 9
Keeping 9

Seniors don't have speed coach as all my youths train speed up to 7 and the remainders 7+ balls are taken in training camps. You can also take every coach as 7 for starters if it feels over whelming and train 7+ balls in camps and upgrade them bit by bit.

And you don't need Set piece coach I just have one to experiment. Also you don't need this many coaches for starters if your squad size doesn't requier it. But the end goal should be there where is player also is 9 ball coach.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 08-06-2022 11:27

[ENG]

Yea I'm with you, thanks for your time mate. It's appreciated.

jere92 wrote:

To clarify I have 16 coaches 4 stars each.

10 seniors

Stamina 9
Shooting 9
Tackling 9
Play Int 9
Ball Control 9
Keeping 9
Passing 9
Aerial Passing 9
Heading 9
Set Pieces 9

6 youths

Speed 9
Stamina 9
Shooting 9
Tackling 9
Ball Control 9
Keeping 9

Seniors don't have speed coach as all my youths train speed up to 7 and the remainders 7+ balls are taken in training camps. You can also take every coach as 7 for starters if it feels over whelming and train 7+ balls in camps and upgrade them bit by bit.

And you don't need Set piece coach I just have one to experiment. Also you don't need this many coaches for starters if your squad size doesn't requier it. But the end goal should be there where is player also is 9 ball coach.

Yea I'm with you, thanks for your time mate. It's appreciated.

Sv: Training Camp Or Coach?

By freddemand - 08-06-2022 21:36

[TDF]

Depending a bit on your goals for your youth players, I think u can get away with 3 coaches on the youth ground. Speed, stamina, ball control are skills every position benefit from. Specific skills for each position can be trained on tc. Also, if you manage to max a skill early, lets say stamina in the first season, a player can train a single skill the next if u wanna check potentials. Did that make sense?Depending a bit on your goals for your youth players, I think u can get away with 3 coaches on the youth ground. Speed, stamina, ball control are skills every position benefit from. Specific skills for each position can be trained on tc. Also, if you manage to max a skill early, lets say stamina in the first season, a player can train a single skill the next if u wanna check potentials. Did that make sense?

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 08-06-2022 21:41

[ENG]

So if a player is maxed in skill A, then I send them to training camp for skill A and skill B, will the camp become dedicated to skill B?

freddemand wrote:

Depending a bit on your goals for your youth players, I think u can get away with 3 coaches on the youth ground. Speed, stamina, ball control are skills every position benefit from. Specific skills for each position can be trained on tc. Also, if you manage to max a skill early, lets say stamina in the first season, a player can train a single skill the next if u wanna check potentials. Did that make sense?

So if a player is maxed in skill A, then I send them to training camp for skill A and skill B, will the camp become dedicated to skill B?

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By jere92 - 08-06-2022 21:51

Yeah that is correct.Yeah that is correct.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 08-06-2022 23:04

[ENG]

Awesome, very good to know thanks mate.

jere92 wrote:

Yeah that is correct.

Awesome, very good to know thanks mate.

Sv: Training Camp Or Coach?

By freddemand - 09-06-2022 09:12

[TDF]

I have read elsewhere that slow training players should not be sent to camp, however I dont see the logic…? Enlighten me plz 😄

douglaskampl wrote:

Always send young players to training camps, since they'll have that efficiency boost, but keep in mind that it's not worth doing that for old players. Those you can keep on the training area, aided by coaches.

By old I probably mean something around 25 years old. But it can vary, for better or for worse. I've had some snail-paced 21 year-old players…

I have read elsewhere that slow training players should not be sent to camp, however I dont see the logic…? Enlighten me plz 😄

Sv: Training Camp Or Coach?

By freddemand - 09-06-2022 09:18

[TDF]

[fpl=214568728] This guy trains with 3 to 4 bars i passing. How slow would not be worth it? Given the weekly increase in efficiancy on camp, will it not always be better for a player on tc? I have a hunch why but would appreciate a second view on this.

freddemand wrote:

I have read elsewhere that slow training players should not be sent to camp, however I dont see the logic…? Enlighten me plz 😄

C.J. Cox

Age: 31

This guy trains with 3 to 4 bars i passing. How slow would not be worth it? Given the weekly increase in efficiancy on camp, will it not always be better for a player on tc? I have a hunch why but would appreciate a second view on this.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By jere92 - 09-06-2022 13:44

[fpl=217506224] HP3 Shooting, Stamina LP2 Passing, Keeping Training Speed 1 This guy shows alot of potential but his last training camp I wasn't too pleased of his progression in speed training. He took in 6 weeks of camp 0,25-0,5 balls of speed. Hitting 2-3 bars constantly and getting couple fives and some fours towards the end of camps. Im really considering sacking him as he probably isn't suiting my plans and feels more of a extra weight to my squad. Now he trains 4 bar speed with coach in ball control and that feels odd as speed was training same pace in week 5 of training camp in speed.

Matti Harjanne

Age: 27

HP3 Shooting, Stamina
LP2 Passing, Keeping
Training Speed 1

This guy shows alot of potential but his last training camp I wasn't too pleased of his progression in speed training. He took in 6 weeks of camp 0,25-0,5 balls of speed. Hitting 2-3 bars constantly and getting couple fives and some fours towards the end of camps. Im really considering sacking him as he probably isn't suiting my plans and feels more of a extra weight to my squad. Now he trains 4 bar speed with coach in ball control and that feels odd as speed was training same pace in week 5 of training camp in speed.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By viedras20 - 09-06-2022 13:50

[LT-Cm]

I've had some slow-trainers that, when sent to a training camp, trained with an even lower efficiency than on the training ground with a coach. But I think it would depend on the coach skill, the number of balls the player has in his skill and the probably player's age.

freddemand wrote:

I have read elsewhere that slow training players should not be sent to camp, however I dont see the logic…? Enlighten me plz 😄

I've had some slow-trainers that, when sent to a training camp, trained with an even lower efficiency than on the training ground with a coach. But I think it would depend on the coach skill, the number of balls the player has in his skill and the probably player's age.

Sv: Training Camp Or Coach?

By freddemand - 09-06-2022 17:43

[TDF]

I guess you end up with only the last one or two weeks being more efficiant, and thus it is not worth it.

viedras20 wrote:

I've had some slow-trainers that, when sent to a training camp, trained with an even lower efficiency than on the training ground with a coach. But I think it would depend on the coach skill, the number of balls the player has in his skill and the probably player's age.

I guess you end up with only the last one or two weeks being more efficiant, and thus it is not worth it.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 15-07-2022 14:44

[ENG]

Hi Jere/All, Just to come back to this. I have a player I want to send to training camp. The skills I want him to improve are available but as part of a 3 skills camp, he is maxed in one of the skill so can you just clarify that his camp will become a 2 skill camp due to him being maxed in the 3rd? Jere, you did answer this but just asking for clarity :D

jere92 wrote:

Yeah that is correct.

Hi Jere/All,

Just to come back to this. I have a player I want to send to training camp. The skills I want him to improve are available but as part of a 3 skills camp, he is maxed in one of the skill so can you just clarify that his camp will become a 2 skill camp due to him being maxed in the 3rd?

Jere, you did answer this but just asking for clarity :D

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By sweem (NCA) - 15-07-2022 15:46

That is correct. It will become a two skill camp if he is already maxed in one. Same happens if he would max during the camp, then it will become simply a single skill camp.

chrisorton86 wrote:

Hi Jere/All,

Just to come back to this. I have a player I want to send to training camp. The skills I want him to improve are available but as part of a 3 skills camp, he is maxed in one of the skill so can you just clarify that his camp will become a 2 skill camp due to him being maxed in the 3rd?

Jere, you did answer this but just asking for clarity :D

That is correct. It will become a two skill camp if he is already maxed in one. Same happens if he would max during the camp, then it will become simply a single skill camp.

Re: Training Camp Or Coach?

By chrisorton86 - 15-07-2022 15:48

[ENG]

Great thanks again guys!

sweem wrote:

That is correct. It will become a two skill camp if he is already maxed in one. Same happens if he would max during the camp, then it will become simply a single skill camp.

Great thanks again guys!

 

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