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nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 18-05-2022 19:51

game in the first half of the league: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1284719190&tid=162593 game in the second half of the league: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1284719208&tid=162593 same teams, tactics, players, but a major difference between the two games. So, why i did not win the second game?? i mean another reason than ”bad luck”.game in the first half of the league:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1284719190&tid=162593

game in the second half of the league:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1284719208&tid=162593

same teams, tactics, players, but a major difference between the two games. So, why i did not win the second game?? i mean another reason than ”bad luck”.

 

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Re: nonsense game results

By scrum - 19-05-2022 11:14

[FRF]

Take a look at this match: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1298441427&tid=845331 My youth keeper, who had 24 saves, looks like this: http://mzplayer.se/?id=0519094275 Makes sense, right? 😅Take a look at this match:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1298441427&tid=845331

My youth keeper, who had 24 saves, looks like this:
http://mzplayer.se/?id=0519094275

Makes sense, right? 😅

Re: nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 19-05-2022 19:16

you know, sometimes the sim says ”no matter what, today you will not win” or ”you have to lose today” etc, like its preplanned.

scrum wrote:

Take a look at this match:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1298441427&tid=845331

My youth keeper, who had 24 saves, looks like this:
http://mzplayer.se/?id=0519094275

Makes sense, right? 😅

you know, sometimes the sim says ”no matter what, today you will not win” or ”you have to lose today” etc, like its preplanned.

Sv: nonsense game results

By freddemand - 21-05-2022 13:31

[TDF]

Looks like their keeper had a great day in one of the matches while your strikers were not up to it. Happens in real life too, no?

j-league wrote:

game in the first half of the league:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1284719190&tid=162593

game in the second half of the league:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1284719208&tid=162593

same teams, tactics, players, but a major difference between the two games. So, why i did not win the second game?? i mean another reason than ”bad luck”.

Looks like their keeper had a great day in one of the matches while your strikers were not up to it. Happens in real life too, no?

Re: nonsense game results

By charef (FA) (NC) - 21-05-2022 13:49

[PV]

PSG and barca 4-0 then 1-6PSG and barca

4-0 then 1-6

Re: nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 21-05-2022 16:56

yes but not like this, not that often as in MZ where odds and luck matter a lot throwing to trash your role as manager and the tactical inspiration in preparing the games

freddemand wrote:

Looks like their keeper had a great day in one of the matches while your strikers were not up to it. Happens in real life too, no?

yes but not like this, not that often as in MZ where odds and luck matter a lot throwing to trash your role as manager and the tactical inspiration in preparing the games

Odg: nonsense game results

By tolstoj (NC) - 25-05-2022 04:59

[Ex Yu]
President

National Cup semi-final... https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1299013411&tid=1096384National Cup semi-final...

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1299013411&tid=1096384

Re: nonsense game results

By disinocht - 25-05-2022 10:03

[204]
President

Surprising results happen in real life as well, if anything the simulator is realistic.Surprising results happen in real life as well, if anything the simulator is realistic.

Re: nonsense game results

By jere92 - 25-05-2022 10:12

Yeah also the amounts of games club members for example play per day can be pretty high. Tomorrow I have 17 games, 2 World League matches and 15 cup matches. Per week we might get around 70 to 80 games non friendly. If the odds to oppoment win is 1% these nonsense game results should happen once a week. Some of us just aren't vocal about it cause we realize its normal these things to happen.Yeah also the amounts of games club members for example play per day can be pretty high. Tomorrow I have 17 games, 2 World League matches and 15 cup matches. Per week we might get around 70 to 80 games non friendly. If the odds to oppoment win is 1% these nonsense game results should happen once a week. Some of us just aren't vocal about it cause we realize its normal these things to happen.

Re: nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 25-05-2022 13:02

Something often and normal like would be a game Manchester United - Liverpool 8-0 then 1-1 at the top of the league??

disinocht wrote:

Surprising results happen in real life as well, if anything the simulator is realistic.

Something often and normal like would be a game Manchester United - Liverpool 8-0 then 1-1 at the top of the league??

Re: nonsense game results

By mauro16 (NCA) - 25-05-2022 16:55

[FAI]

People comparing real football with Managerzone just makes me laugh... Why the F are we playing a game, investing time and money, where you have to set the right tactic and better players than the opposing team if then "anything can happen", with random result poping up even thou you used the right tactic but a miracoulous 23yo keeper making 20 saves comes to ruin your plans, and of course your NT gk can't catch a flee in the air...

freddemand wrote:

Looks like their keeper had a great day in one of the matches while your strikers were not up to it. Happens in real life too, no?

People comparing real football with Managerzone just makes me laugh... Why the F are we playing a game, investing time and money, where you have to set the right tactic and better players than the opposing team if then "anything can happen", with random result poping up even thou you used the right tactic but a miracoulous 23yo keeper making 20 saves comes to ruin your plans, and of course your NT gk can't catch a flee in the air...

Re: nonsense game results

By mauro16 (NCA) - 25-05-2022 16:56

[FAI]

What an amazing way to cover all the sim flaws... You should be hired by the crew my friend.

disinocht wrote:

Surprising results happen in real life as well, if anything the simulator is realistic.

What an amazing way to cover all the sim flaws... You should be hired by the crew my friend.

Re: nonsense game results

By k33n3y - 29-05-2022 23:56

Support Mauro completely. It's basically a joke a times this sim.Support Mauro completely.

It's basically a joke a times this sim.

Re: nonsense game results

By evosa - 30-05-2022 12:10

[LEGEND]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/yISSrZh.png[/img] holy..I think liverpool got simmed in UEFA CL final. Could UEFA fix the sim?

holy..I think liverpool got simmed in UEFA CL final. Could UEFA fix the sim?

Sv: nonsense game results

By freddemand - 30-05-2022 19:44

[TDF]

RMs keeper had a solid evening while L*****pools attack was not. Haha 🍾 We all know it is not real life football, but a game. And we all (well most at least) know that these results are a thing. But these results are far from being the norm. Upsets happen, however for a vast majority of the games we play, our players strength and the tactic we set, reflects the result. Also, in a game where a team has total domination with a wing tactic, a slightly misplaced (pixelwise) forward, might end up putting the ball too high everytime he gets a cross coming his way.

evosa wrote:

holy..I think liverpool got simmed in UEFA CL final. Could UEFA fix the sim?

RMs keeper had a solid evening while L*****pools attack was not. Haha 🍾

mauro16 wrote:

People comparing real football with Managerzone just makes me laugh... Why the F are we playing a game, investing time and money, where you have to set the right tactic and better players than the opposing team if then "anything can happen", with random result poping up even thou you used the right tactic but a miracoulous 23yo keeper making 20 saves comes to ruin your plans, and of course your NT gk can't catch a flee in the air...

We all know it is not real life football, but a game. And we all (well most at least) know that these results are a thing. But these results are far from being the norm. Upsets happen, however for a vast majority of the games we play, our players strength and the tactic we set, reflects the result.

Also, in a game where a team has total domination with a wing tactic, a slightly misplaced (pixelwise) forward, might end up putting the ball too high everytime he gets a cross coming his way.

Re: nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 30-05-2022 20:13

posting this is nonsense. we know such happen in real. the problem with the MZ ”realistic simulator” is that it does extremely. of course some people still need to know what this means. it means more often and with bigger difference in goal scoring. when 8-0 and 1-1 happens in the same championship between same teams? how often?

evosa wrote:

holy..I think liverpool got simmed in UEFA CL final. Could UEFA fix the sim?

posting this is nonsense. we know such happen in real. the problem with the MZ ”realistic simulator” is that it does extremely. of course some people still need to know what this means. it means more often and with bigger difference in goal scoring. when 8-0 and 1-1 happens in the same championship between same teams? how often?

Re: nonsense game results

By rockstarroberts - 30-05-2022 21:32

No. Because Real Madrid is UEFA's favorite club

evosa wrote:

holy..I think liverpool got simmed in UEFA CL final. Could UEFA fix the sim?

No. Because Real Madrid is UEFA's favorite club

Sv: nonsense game results

By freddemand - 30-05-2022 21:44

[TDF]

20/21 season in PL. Soton v. MUFC, a narrow 2-3 win for the latter. At home United smash them 9-0. Both a win, I know, but the closest example I could come up with without putting in a propper effort 😄

j-league wrote:

posting this is nonsense. we know such happen in real. the problem with the MZ ”realistic simulator” is that it does extremely. of course some people still need to know what this means. it means more often and with bigger difference in goal scoring. when 8-0 and 1-1 happens in the same championship between same teams? how often?

20/21 season in PL. Soton v. MUFC, a narrow 2-3 win for the latter. At home United smash them 9-0. Both a win, I know, but the closest example I could come up with without putting in a propper effort 😄

Re: nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 31-05-2022 14:13

such example happen in real like how often once in 10 years or how actually

freddemand wrote:

20/21 season in PL. Soton v. MUFC, a narrow 2-3 win for the latter. At home United smash them 9-0. Both a win, I know, but the closest example I could come up with without putting in a propper effort 😄

such example happen in real like how often once in 10 years or how actually

Sv: nonsense game results

By freddemand - 01-06-2022 09:58

[TDF]

Might not be that bad an example given how many games u play on mz compared to a irl team.

j-league wrote:

such example happen in real like how often once in 10 years or how actually

Might not be that bad an example given how many games u play on mz compared to a irl team.

Re: nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 01-06-2022 13:12

sir, this is nonsense what we do. sorry let me be more relevant so kids first grade understand my point: once in how many games in real VS once in how many games in MZ.

freddemand wrote:

Might not be that bad an example given how many games u play on mz compared to a irl team.

sir, this is nonsense what we do. sorry let me be more relevant so kids first grade understand my point: once in how many games in real VS once in how many games in MZ.

Re: nonsense game results

By jere92 - 01-06-2022 13:18

Its a simulation game skinned as football. I don't get it where people gets the idea that it is "realistic simulator" it is indeed simulator that you as a manager try to get best odds for you to win with your players and resources. Nothing more nothing less. The managers who are able to get more consistent numbers into the simulation tend to do better but every single one of us have bad luck and good luck in managerzone and thats how it goes. Its a nice touch that we get to watch the matches but in the end what happens in the simulation is total mystery and through years managers have tried to hone their skills on understanding it better. I have always thought that all of these manager simulation games are trying to make your dices favorable to you and then we roll those dices.Its a simulation game skinned as football. I don't get it where people gets the idea that it is "realistic simulator" it is indeed simulator that you as a manager try to get best odds for you to win with your players and resources. Nothing more nothing less. The managers who are able to get more consistent numbers into the simulation tend to do better but every single one of us have bad luck and good luck in managerzone and thats how it goes. Its a nice touch that we get to watch the matches but in the end what happens in the simulation is total mystery and through years managers have tried to hone their skills on understanding it better. I have always thought that all of these manager simulation games are trying to make your dices favorable to you and then we roll those dices.

Sv: nonsense game results

By freddemand - 01-06-2022 15:44

[TDF]

Hear, hear! As simple as that. If a Premier league team had played 5-20 games each day, u would probably see some odd results. And this is more leg pulling, than presentation of hard science 😁

jere92 wrote:

Its a simulation game skinned as football. I don't get it where people gets the idea that it is "realistic simulator" it is indeed simulator that you as a manager try to get best odds for you to win with your players and resources. Nothing more nothing less. The managers who are able to get more consistent numbers into the simulation tend to do better but every single one of us have bad luck and good luck in managerzone and thats how it goes. Its a nice touch that we get to watch the matches but in the end what happens in the simulation is total mystery and through years managers have tried to hone their skills on understanding it better. I have always thought that all of these manager simulation games are trying to make your dices favorable to you and then we roll those dices.

Hear, hear! As simple as that.

j-league wrote:

sir, this is nonsense what we do. sorry let me be more relevant so kids first grade understand my point: once in how many games in real VS once in how many games in MZ.

If a Premier league team had played 5-20 games each day, u would probably see some odd results. And this is more leg pulling, than presentation of hard science 😁

Re: nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 01-06-2022 16:39

same number of games in real never end in so many nonsense results as in MZ . Today i won 14-0 in league, very realistic right .

freddemand wrote:

Hear, hear! As simple as that.





If a Premier league team had played 5-20 games each day, u would probably see some odd results. And this is more leg pulling, than presentation of hard science 😁

same number of games in real never end in so many nonsense results as in MZ . Today i won 14-0 in league, very realistic right .

Re: nonsense game results

By jere92 - 01-06-2022 17:15

Quickly checked that your oppoment is inactive team with under trained 20-23 yo players without form.. highest win in real life football is 149-0. In legimitate match it is 36-0. Highest international Match win is from world cup qualification match between Australia and American samoa that ended 31-0. If you put different skill level teams against each other scores can get pretty high. You need to put some more work to get into that record level scoring you are still over 20 goals away from it.Quickly checked that your oppoment is inactive team with under trained 20-23 yo players without form.. highest win in real life football is 149-0. In legimitate match it is 36-0. Highest international Match win is from world cup qualification match between Australia and American samoa that ended 31-0. If you put different skill level teams against each other scores can get pretty high. You need to put some more work to get into that record level scoring you are still over 20 goals away from it.

Re: nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 01-06-2022 18:15

tbh, my mind hurts when i see people like you and others that mention all kind of nonsense stuff as arguments because its a wonder how can people let out the essence from a discussion. personally i have the capacity to stay and focus on the main point. ok in this case i was talking about league games, teams that are on the same level of competition. please use your reasoning and dont bring into this talk such examples as teams that obviously are on another levels. At least @freddemand came up with an example

jere92 wrote:

Quickly checked that your oppoment is inactive team with under trained 20-23 yo players without form.. highest win in real life football is 149-0. In legimitate match it is 36-0. Highest international Match win is from world cup qualification match between Australia and American samoa that ended 31-0. If you put different skill level teams against each other scores can get pretty high. You need to put some more work to get into that record level scoring you are still over 20 goals away from it.

tbh, my mind hurts when i see people like you and others that mention all kind of nonsense stuff as arguments because its a wonder how can people let out the essence from a discussion. personally i have the capacity to stay and focus on the main point. ok in this case i was talking about league games, teams that are on the same level of competition. please use your reasoning and dont bring into this talk such examples as teams that obviously are on another levels. At least @freddemand came up with an example

Re: nonsense game results

By jere92 - 01-06-2022 18:36

Tbh my brain hurts when you bring up score where you win out of form team thats inactive, under half of your squads value and complain that you demolished them? Im not even sure whats your issue? Should you have Lost to this inactive team you to be pleased? Lower divisions have huge differences in values and activity, so raise into div1-PL level and you start to see less inconsistent results and tighter competition. Please be clear whats your main point and explain it again. At the first Post you complain about draw against team you demolished earlier and now you complain that you demolish these teams.Tbh my brain hurts when you bring up score where you win out of form team thats inactive, under half of your squads value and complain that you demolished them? Im not even sure whats your issue? Should you have Lost to this inactive team you to be pleased? Lower divisions have huge differences in values and activity, so raise into div1-PL level and you start to see less inconsistent results and tighter competition.

Please be clear whats your main point and explain it again.

At the first Post you complain about draw against team you demolished earlier and now you complain that you demolish these teams.

Re: nonsense game results

By deleted_3858292 - 01-06-2022 22:06

Hello gentleman! Tighter competition in higher divisions” is a real argument of yours, congratulations! The point is that MZ is not realistic. I definitely stand for the original post but i can also point out other things if im free to. demolishing a team in the SAME league is not realistic in any situation. i'd prefer more balance

jere92 wrote:

Tbh my brain hurts when you bring up score where you win out of form team thats inactive, under half of your squads value and complain that you demolished them? Im not even sure whats your issue? Should you have Lost to this inactive team you to be pleased? Lower divisions have huge differences in values and activity, so raise into div1-PL level and you start to see less inconsistent results and tighter competition.

Please be clear whats your main point and explain it again.

At the first Post you complain about draw against team you demolished earlier and now you complain that you demolish these teams.

Hello gentleman! Tighter competition in higher divisions” is a real argument of yours, congratulations! The point is that MZ is not realistic. I definitely stand for the original post but i can also point out other things if im free to. demolishing a team in the SAME league is not realistic in any situation. i'd prefer more balance

Re: nonsense game results

By jere92 - 01-06-2022 23:46

You get more balance as you move out of the semi inactive leagues. I stated that this game is simulator and it should be considered as one. You are the one mixing it with reality. Did you even bother reading thisYou get more balance as you move out of the semi inactive leagues.

I stated that this game is simulator and it should be considered as one. You are the one mixing it with reality.

Did you even bother reading this

jere92 wrote:

Its a simulation game skinned as football. I don't get it where people gets the idea that it is "realistic simulator" it is indeed simulator that you as a manager try to get best odds for you to win with your players and resources. Nothing more nothing less. The managers who are able to get more consistent numbers into the simulation tend to do better but every single one of us have bad luck and good luck in managerzone and thats how it goes. Its a nice touch that we get to watch the matches but in the end what happens in the simulation is total mystery and through years managers have tried to hone their skills on understanding it better. I have always thought that all of these manager simulation games are trying to make your dices favorable to you and then we roll those dices.

Re: nonsense game results

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 06-06-2022 18:13

[POLSKA]

This is absolutely mad, it shows the nonsense of the results these days. But what can we do. At least you are not alone, we all suffer from the stupidity of the sim. This can't be happening. Good example we have in Polish league clans, it's based on friendlys played on friday. You play one game on the morning and 2nd on the evening, many times after 6-1 victory and absolutely domination on the morning you can expect something like 2-2 on the evening, same teams, same tactic :)

j-league wrote:

game in the first half of the league:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1284719190&tid=162593

game in the second half of the league:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1284719208&tid=162593

same teams, tactics, players, but a major difference between the two games. So, why i did not win the second game?? i mean another reason than ”bad luck”.

This is absolutely mad, it shows the nonsense of the results these days. But what can we do. At least you are not alone, we all suffer from the stupidity of the sim. This can't be happening.

Good example we have in Polish league clans, it's based on friendlys played on friday. You play one game on the morning and 2nd on the evening, many times after 6-1 victory and absolutely domination on the morning you can expect something like 2-2 on the evening, same teams, same tactic :)

Odp: nonsense game results

By misiekmk - 10-06-2022 00:18

[DC]

the simulator has too many "surprises" ... in MZ the uxx team is able to win against the national champion if only a sim draws a gk MoM. such miracles do not really happen. look at May last season, the team won the national championship, the country cup and the blackyard. in the current season I won keepers and CL ... what is happening in the current league season, there is a good chance that they will be relegated from the league. such a case happened in the real football ?!the simulator has too many "surprises" ... in MZ the uxx team is able to win against the national champion if only a sim draws a gk MoM. such miracles do not really happen.

look at May last season, the team won the national championship, the country cup and the blackyard.
in the current season I won keepers and CL ... what is happening in the current league season, there is a good chance that they will be relegated from the league.

such a case happened in the real football ?!

Odg: nonsense game results

By tolstoj (NC) - 15-06-2022 17:04

[Ex Yu]
President

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1287850861https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1287850861

Re: nonsense game results

By mauro16 (NCA) - 16-06-2022 00:08

[FAI]

That is a FACT. When you reach a certain level. You come to recognize the SIM flaws. Because when you have a low div team it's like, "yeah, i might win and i might lose to anybody". But when you do the work in order to acquire a top level squad(which may take a lot of time!) and you start to see how many points you lose against weaker teams it's just mind blowing. In my conclusions the percentage of "surprises" in games are too high. That reduces managers and squads influence in the game to showcase accordingly. It's quite annoying and I'm sure it's one of the reason many people get to top level and then leave. Because they don't see te time and effort showcased in results.

misiekmk wrote:

the simulator has too many "surprises" ...

That is a FACT. When you reach a certain level. You come to recognize the SIM flaws. Because when you have a low div team it's like, "yeah, i might win and i might lose to anybody". But when you do the work in order to acquire a top level squad(which may take a lot of time!) and you start to see how many points you lose against weaker teams it's just mind blowing.

In my conclusions the percentage of "surprises" in games are too high. That reduces managers and squads influence in the game to showcase accordingly. It's quite annoying and I'm sure it's one of the reason many people get to top level and then leave. Because they don't see te time and effort showcased in results.

Re: nonsense game results

By swaan1 - 16-06-2022 00:47

[STARS]

How many games did you track ? how many was a suprise, how many was not a suprise ? I think many managers overloock how many games you play with normal result you play before you get one of the suprise games. Iam not saying the sim is perfect, but if you look into the sim is pretty reasonable if you track it over alot of games. many games you have at most 70% winrate, that is still a 30% loose rate.

mauro16 wrote:

That is a FACT. When you reach a certain level. You come to recognize the SIM flaws. Because when you have a low div team it's like, "yeah, i might win and i might lose to anybody". But when you do the work in order to acquire a top level squad(which may take a lot of time!) and you start to see how many points you lose against weaker teams it's just mind blowing.

In my conclusions the percentage of "surprises" in games are too high. That reduces managers and squads influence in the game to showcase accordingly. It's quite annoying and I'm sure it's one of the reason many people get to top level and then leave. Because they don't see te time and effort showcased in results.

How many games did you track ? how many was a suprise, how many was not a suprise ? I think many managers overloock how many games you play with normal result you play before you get one of the suprise games.

Iam not saying the sim is perfect, but if you look into the sim is pretty reasonable if you track it over alot of games. many games you have at most 70% winrate, that is still a 30% loose rate.

Re: nonsense game results

By k33n3y - 16-06-2022 00:48

I love watching people trying to defend the game in a certain manner because the current sim supports their teams. The problem is nothing will ever be raised hecause the current sik supports the devs and Forum support who believe they're correct and the game is perfect. The sim is beyond broken.I love watching people trying to defend the game in a certain manner because the current sim supports their teams.

The problem is nothing will ever be raised hecause the current sik supports the devs and Forum support who believe they're correct and the game is perfect.

The sim is beyond broken.

Re: nonsense game results

By mauro16 (NCA) - 16-06-2022 21:47

[FAI]

Imagine you are playing the playoff of some of the most important criteria cups (Season, National, Division, Generations) and let's say you are one of the 2 or 3 candidates. Elite level. If your loose rate is 30% against every team you face in the playoff. And you have to face 4, 5, 6, 7 or up to 8 playoff rivals before the final. The chances to get to the final are lower than you think. There's always one surprise in between that playoff run that would kick you out of the definition. Even though you were one of the favorites. Is that fair? Do you consider the time and effort of that manager is rewarded by the game?

swaan1 wrote:

How many games did you track ? how many was a suprise, how many was not a suprise ? I think many managers overloock how many games you play with normal result you play before you get one of the suprise games.

Iam not saying the sim is perfect, but if you look into the sim is pretty reasonable if you track it over alot of games. many games you have at most 70% winrate, that is still a 30% loose rate.

Imagine you are playing the playoff of some of the most important criteria cups (Season, National, Division, Generations) and let's say you are one of the 2 or 3 candidates. Elite level.

If your loose rate is 30% against every team you face in the playoff. And you have to face 4, 5, 6, 7 or up to 8 playoff rivals before the final. The chances to get to the final are lower than you think. There's always one surprise in between that playoff run that would kick you out of the definition. Even though you were one of the favorites.

Is that fair? Do you consider the time and effort of that manager is rewarded by the game?

Re: nonsense game results

By swaan1 - 17-06-2022 00:06

[STARS]

Yeah i would say that is fair. It is just maths. when you take a small amount of outcomes (e.g a play off in a cup) it is very likley to be a big varaiance becouse thats how maths works. ( Even if two teams are pretty even the variance can be huge). Unless you want a Static/determeristic simulator that always simulate the same result vs the same team and we can predetermen who wins after 1 minute we close the registration for the cup. If you have a friend that also play mz or find another manager that want to share how their starup looks like, and you start play friendly games vs each other, start count when it is a reasonable result. or a crazy result. you will see that the sim ain't that bad if you look at it over over time ( the more game you have good stats on the more we remove the variance). But i agree that it sucksto to see a crazy result in a game you want to win when you know that your team is better on paper and your tactics should work vs that team and you still loose.

mauro16 wrote:

Imagine you are playing the playoff of some of the most important criteria cups (Season, National, Division, Generations) and let's say you are one of the 2 or 3 candidates. Elite level.

If your loose rate is 30% against every team you face in the playoff. And you have to face 4, 5, 6, 7 or up to 8 playoff rivals before the final. The chances to get to the final are lower than you think. There's always one surprise in between that playoff run that would kick you out of the definition. Even though you were one of the favorites.

Is that fair? Do you consider the time and effort of that manager is rewarded by the game?

Yeah i would say that is fair. It is just maths. when you take a small amount of outcomes (e.g a play off in a cup) it is very likley to be a big varaiance becouse thats how maths works. ( Even if two teams are pretty even the variance can be huge). Unless you want a Static/determeristic simulator that always simulate the same result vs the same team and we can predetermen who wins after 1 minute we close the registration for the cup.

If you have a friend that also play mz or find another manager that want to share how their starup looks like, and you start play friendly games vs each other, start count when it is a reasonable result. or a crazy result. you will see that the sim ain't that bad if you look at it over over time ( the more game you have good stats on the more we remove the variance).

But i agree that it sucksto to see a crazy result in a game you want to win when you know that your team is better on paper and your tactics should work vs that team and you still loose.

Re: nonsense game results

By mauro16 (NCA) - 18-06-2022 00:23

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Don't get me wrong. What I am stating is pretty clear. The variance that defines the result of games it's really volatile(or randomized). And reduces players and tactics gap too much. I'm not saying there should be NO variance or that everything should be mechanic or statistical. I'm saying that it would be fair that teams get rewarded better for their work when facing a team that presented a worse team and tactic. That's all But hey, you are relatively new to the game(2020). I hope you can develop a elite team and experience for yourself the example that I said before. People leave because when you finally get to the sweet spot of the game. The sim just ruins it.

swaan1 wrote:

Yeah i would say that is fair. It is just maths. when you take a small amount of outcomes (e.g a play off in a cup) it is very likley to be a big varaiance becouse thats how maths works. ( Even if two teams are pretty even the variance can be huge). Unless you want a Static/determeristic simulator that always simulate the same result vs the same team and we can predetermen who wins after 1 minute we close the registration for the cup.

If you have a friend that also play mz or find another manager that want to share how their starup looks like, and you start play friendly games vs each other, start count when it is a reasonable result. or a crazy result. you will see that the sim ain't that bad if you look at it over over time ( the more game you have good stats on the more we remove the variance).

But i agree that it sucksto to see a crazy result in a game you want to win when you know that your team is better on paper and your tactics should work vs that team and you still loose.

Don't get me wrong. What I am stating is pretty clear. The variance that defines the result of games it's really volatile(or randomized). And reduces players and tactics gap too much. I'm not saying there should be NO variance or that everything should be mechanic or statistical. I'm saying that it would be fair that teams get rewarded better for their work when facing a team that presented a worse team and tactic. That's all

But hey, you are relatively new to the game(2020). I hope you can develop a elite team and experience for yourself the example that I said before. People leave because when you finally get to the sweet spot of the game. The sim just ruins it.

Re: nonsense game results

By swaan1 - 18-06-2022 02:06

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To start of. If it is not fair and teams need to be rewarded better and the sim is mostly random, how come there is managers that are in the top league season after season and get 1st place most of the times? I can tell you right now that it is bescouse they have figured out somethigns that work, so the best team and the best tactic win over a long period of time, So the facts is that the sim is pretty fair if you understand how the sim works. (unless we have some poeple that have some insane luck season after season )Does that mean they win all the games? No but overall it is pretty fair. Most people focus on one seperate game or a small set of games and when you look at a simulator that way the variance will always be high. There is also alot of unknows on this site that most managers "KINDA" know of but not know 100% how it works. This will contribute that some result you see looks crazy but in reality your analyse was wrong. And i do agree some result looks crazy (in sweden we had a allsvenskan team (top series) that lost a playoffteam to stay in the highest division and lost vs a youth team. that is crazy unlucky) But thats ONE game of many. but yet again most of the games are not crazy. So my opinion is that people need to know about variance and try to understand More how the diffrent things on this game effect the outcome of the games Instead of complaining about the simulator. It is the same for all teams we all have the same simulator. And there is a reason that some teams can perform season after season. if it was random that would be almost impossible to have teams that keep getting the top placements season after season. So start learning instead of complaing. And just becouse i have not played the game as long as you dosent mean i dont have any knowledge or opinions about the game. Try to get some cheap points vs some other manager who cares about who you think have a team that is "elite enough". But hey. if you want to try to belittle people when your argument is not even backed by any logic on a foum, I belive in you! You can do it!

mauro16 wrote:

Don't get me wrong. What I am stating is pretty clear. The variance that defines the result of games it's really volatile(or randomized). And reduces players and tactics gap too much. I'm not saying there should be NO variance or that everything should be mechanic or statistical. I'm saying that it would be fair that teams get rewarded better for their work when facing a team that presented a worse team and tactic. That's all

But hey, you are relatively new to the game(2020). I hope you can develop a elite team and experience for yourself the example that I said before. People leave because when you finally get to the sweet spot of the game. The sim just ruins it.

To start of. If it is not fair and teams need to be rewarded better and the sim is mostly random, how come there is managers that are in the top league season after season and get 1st place most of the times? I can tell you right now that it is bescouse they have figured out somethigns that work, so the best team and the best tactic win over a long period of time, So the facts is that the sim is pretty fair if you understand how the sim works. (unless we have some poeple that have some insane luck season after season )Does that mean they win all the games? No but overall it is pretty fair.


Most people focus on one seperate game or a small set of games and when you look at a simulator that way the variance will always be high. There is also alot of unknows on this site that most managers "KINDA" know of but not know 100% how it works. This will contribute that some result you see looks crazy but in reality your analyse was wrong.
And i do agree some result looks crazy (in sweden we had a allsvenskan team (top series) that lost a playoffteam to stay in the highest division and lost vs a youth team. that is crazy unlucky) But thats ONE game of many. but yet again most of the games are not crazy.

So my opinion is that people need to know about variance and try to understand More how the diffrent things on this game effect the outcome of the games Instead of complaining about the simulator. It is the same for all teams we all have the same simulator. And there is a reason that some teams can perform season after season. if it was random that would be almost impossible to have teams that keep getting the top placements season after season.

So start learning instead of complaing.

And just becouse i have not played the game as long as you dosent mean i dont have any knowledge or opinions about the game. Try to get some cheap points vs some other manager who cares about who you think have a team that is "elite enough". But hey. if you want to try to belittle people when your argument is not even backed by any logic on a foum, I belive in you! You can do it!

Re: nonsense game results

By smaakeloos - 18-06-2022 12:21

I think you're spot on Swaan. Just to add, in my experience the more someone complains about randomness the more that person overestimates his understanding of the sim. And yes, that sim has plenty of flaws, but randomness isn't really one of them.I think you're spot on Swaan. Just to add, in my experience the more someone complains about randomness the more that person overestimates his understanding of the sim. And yes, that sim has plenty of flaws, but randomness isn't really one of them.

Re: nonsense game results

By mauro16 (NCA) - 18-06-2022 21:20

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If randomness isn't an issue why is it possible to have so many outcomes when facing the same team with the same tactics and players over and over? Lets say the event. Against team 16 I won several times with 3 or more goal difference and I also lost several times with 3 or more goal difference. Where is the part that I should improve in my tactic if some times it makes me win with huge difference and other times it makes me loose with huge difference. In my logic, that is randomized results. And don't bring me the "in real football that could happen crap" because that would be applicable in real life, not in a simulated game. At least I can complain about the sim being quite succesful at this game. Other just complain because they never could win anything. I also made a post complaining about the simulator 10 years ago having just won the Confed Cup for my country. I like to be objective in my reasoning because I wan't the best for MZ. And being here for 15 years... I saw so many frustrated managers leave that I would have to make an entire hour writing all of them.If randomness isn't an issue why is it possible to have so many outcomes when facing the same team with the same tactics and players over and over? Lets say the event. Against team 16 I won several times with 3 or more goal difference and I also lost several times with 3 or more goal difference. Where is the part that I should improve in my tactic if some times it makes me win with huge difference and other times it makes me loose with huge difference. In my logic, that is randomized results. And don't bring me the "in real football that could happen crap" because that would be applicable in real life, not in a simulated game.

At least I can complain about the sim being quite succesful at this game. Other just complain because they never could win anything. I also made a post complaining about the simulator 10 years ago having just won the Confed Cup for my country. I like to be objective in my reasoning because I wan't the best for MZ. And being here for 15 years... I saw so many frustrated managers leave that I would have to make an entire hour writing all of them.

Re: nonsense game results

By smaakeloos - 18-06-2022 22:33

The event is indeed a good example. In my logic, your line-up needs some (minor) tweaking (and having to be pixel perfect one of the flaws of the sim).

mauro16 wrote:

Lets say the event. Against team 16 I won several times with 3 or more goal difference and I also lost several times with 3 or more goal difference. Where is the part that I should improve in my tactic if some times it makes me win with huge difference and other times it makes me loose with huge difference. In my logic, that is randomized results.

The event is indeed a good example. In my logic, your line-up needs some (minor) tweaking (and having to be pixel perfect one of the flaws of the sim).

Re: nonsense game results

By smaakeloos - 18-06-2022 22:51

In addition, just looking at my own results in the event (I can only see the last 5 results): 2-2 and 3-2 against level 15, 1-1, 2-2 and 1-3 against level 16 (best win 2-0). This lack of randomness is also consistent with my results all season.In addition, just looking at my own results in the event (I can only see the last 5 results): 2-2 and 3-2 against level 15, 1-1, 2-2 and 1-3 against level 16 (best win 2-0).
This lack of randomness is also consistent with my results all season.

Re: nonsense game results

By swaan1 - 19-06-2022 01:29

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Your logic is so flawed it is hard to take your seriously now. Think again if what you just said is a good measurement of how well randomised the sim is. Seems like you are relative new in using your brain. I hope you can develop it abit more so you can present something that are somewhat logical.

mauro16 wrote:

If randomness isn't an issue why is it possible to have so many outcomes when facing the same team with the same tactics and players over and over? Lets say the event. Against team 16 I won several times with 3 or more goal difference and I also lost several times with 3 or more goal difference. Where is the part that I should improve in my tactic if some times it makes me win with huge difference and other times it makes me loose with huge difference. In my logic, that is randomized results. And don't bring me the "in real football that could happen crap" because that would be applicable in real life, not in a simulated game.

Your logic is so flawed it is hard to take your seriously now.

Think again if what you just said is a good measurement of how well randomised the sim is. Seems like you are relative new in using your brain. I hope you can develop it abit more so you can present something that are somewhat logical.

Re: nonsense game results

By mauro16 (NCA) - 19-06-2022 01:52

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Attacking the messenger won't prove any of your arguments. In fact, only proves your poor capabilities for debate. Talking about poor capabilities look how interesting if we measure brain capabilities by trophies won with this SIM... It seems that yours isn't very functional. At least I can back up my arguments and been proving myself in all categories and with my NT. I know every corner of this game. You probably don't even know what a 80 ball player looks like or plays like... You've never got past div 2 and think you can come here like a wise chaman spitting on others opinion but the reality is that you actually DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BACK IT UP.

swaan1 wrote:

Your logic is so flawed it is hard to take your seriously now.

Think again if what you just said is a good measurement of how well randomised the sim is. Seems like you are relative new in using your brain. I hope you can develop it abit more so you can present something that are somewhat logical.

Attacking the messenger won't prove any of your arguments. In fact, only proves your poor capabilities for debate.

Talking about poor capabilities look how interesting if we measure brain capabilities by trophies won with this SIM... It seems that yours isn't very functional.

At least I can back up my arguments and been proving myself in all categories and with my NT. I know every corner of this game. You probably don't even know what a 80 ball player looks like or plays like... You've never got past div 2 and think you can come here like a wise chaman spitting on others opinion but the reality is that you actually DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BACK IT UP.

Re: nonsense game results

By swaan1 - 19-06-2022 02:06

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How is that an attack ? I spoke to you exacly the same way you spoke to me. I told you in several post already how i base my logic. how maths works. but since you are not capable to understand it you dissmiss it. Pretty deflective/laughable of you to bring up medels. Since when is this argument even about how many medals you got or how popular you are in a NT vote? Just take the hint. go and learn some basic maths and code understanding and you will understand how stupid you sound right now =)

mauro16 wrote:

Attacking the messenger won't prove any of your arguments. In fact, only proves your poor capabilities for debate.

Talking about poor capabilities look how interesting if we measure brain capabilities by trophies won with this SIM... It seems that yours isn't very functional.

At least I can back up my arguments and been proving myself in all categories and with my NT. I know every corner of this game. You probably don't even know what a 80 ball player looks like or plays like... You've never got past div 2 and think you can come here like a wise chaman spitting on others opinion but the reality is that you actually DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BACK IT UP.

How is that an attack ? I spoke to you exacly the same way you spoke to me. I told you in several post already how i base my logic. how maths works. but since you are not capable to understand it you dissmiss it.

Pretty deflective/laughable of you to bring up medels. Since when is this argument even about how many medals you got or how popular you are in a NT vote? Just take the hint. go and learn some basic maths and code understanding and you will understand how stupid you sound right now =)

Re: nonsense game results

By mauro16 (NCA) - 19-06-2022 02:52

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Please quote where I have attacked in order to get Please quote me where I'd said anything close to this: In football and in real life, results and accomplishments speaks louder that words. If you question others intelligence... well, that's the answer you'll probably get. Does the code understanding and maths knowledge took you somewhere here in mz? Just a hint... You don't need it. And lastly, I won't answer to you anymore in order for the topic to flow it's course. I already said my opinion about the SIM.Please quote where I have attacked in order to get

swaan1 wrote:

How is that an attack ? I spoke to you exacly the same way you spoke to me.

Please quote me where I'd said anything close to this:

swaan1 wrote:

Seems like you are relative new in using your brain. I hope you can develop it abit more so you can present something that are somewhat logical

In football and in real life, results and accomplishments speaks louder that words. If you question others intelligence... well, that's the answer you'll probably get.

Does the code understanding and maths knowledge took you somewhere here in mz? Just a hint... You don't need it.

And lastly, I won't answer to you anymore in order for the topic to flow it's course. I already said my opinion about the SIM.

Re: nonsense game results

By swaan1 - 19-06-2022 03:31

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Basicly. Yotalked down to me when i asked you questions and presentes My opinions. They way you choose answer me IS. You Are New. You Are not on My level so your opinion IS not valid. And when i responded that IS wrong of you to invalid me becouse i am newer to this game then you as a reason. You double down again and again that becouse you have more achivments you Are correct and what you say IS facts. Even thou the questions about the sim have nothing to do on how many achivements you got. We got it you have alot of achivments. Congratulations! And when i talk back to you in the same manor you spoke to me you get angry and deflect it all like i was the one eho was rude. You Are a bully. I will never back down to a person like you that talk down to anyone who dosent think like you

mauro16 wrote:

Please quote where I have attacked in order to get

Please quote me where I'd said anything close to this:



In football and in real life, results and accomplishments speaks louder that words. If you question others intelligence... well, that's the answer you'll probably get.

Does the code understanding and maths knowledge took you somewhere here in mz? Just a hint... You don't need it.

And lastly, I won't answer to you anymore in order for the topic to flow it's course. I already said my opinion about the SIM.

Basicly. Yotalked down to me when i asked you questions and presentes My opinions. They way you choose answer me IS. You Are New. You Are not on My level so your opinion IS not valid.
And when i responded that IS wrong of you to invalid me becouse i am newer to this game then you as a reason. You double down again and again that becouse you have more achivments you Are correct and what you say IS facts. Even thou the questions about the sim have nothing to do on how many achivements you got. We got it you have alot of achivments. Congratulations! And when i talk back to you in the same manor you spoke to me you get angry and deflect it all like i was the one eho was rude. You Are a bully. I will never back down to a person like you that talk down to anyone who dosent think like you

Re: nonsense game results

By jere92 - 19-06-2022 16:59

I would be interested to hear peoples opinion on how much weight should be put on tactics versus team strenght in a optimal simulator of their vision. So for example 50% of Match outcome comes from tactics and 50% from team strenght. In this case 50-50. Ill tell my vision later in this matter after I have seen peoples opinions what they think The optimal share would be.I would be interested to hear peoples opinion on how much weight should be put on tactics versus team strenght in a optimal simulator of their vision.

So for example 50% of Match outcome comes from tactics and 50% from team strenght. In this case 50-50. Ill tell my vision later in this matter after I have seen peoples opinions what they think The optimal share would be.

Re: nonsense game results

By che_paris (GA) (NCA) - 22-06-2022 10:14

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President

30% tactics 70% strength I would say.30% tactics 70% strength I would say.

Re: nonsense game results

By maria171 - 22-06-2022 10:48

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President

There is no denying that the current SIM is bad and totally outdated but it is still playable but not that enjoyable anymore. And I believe Crew is fully aware of this and I am very sure that the new SIM is just around the corner. Let just wait until then.There is no denying that the current SIM is bad and totally outdated but it is still playable but not that enjoyable anymore. And I believe Crew is fully aware of this and I am very sure that the new SIM is just around the corner. Let just wait until then.

 

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