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coach negotiations bug

By heddo - 30-05-2019 04:14

Hi , my coaches have suddenly stopped telling me they have not received an offer, to allow me to re negotiate , after turning down my first offer , they are refusing to talk , and the deadline will expire, I have been told to select the auto renew box , but this did not work on first attempt , and I only managed to save the coach with hours left on the clock , this is an obvious concern , so , is it a bug , or has there been a change in the negotiations structuring , anyone else had this ..Hi ,
my coaches have suddenly stopped telling me they have not received an offer, to allow me to re negotiate , after turning down my first offer , they are refusing to talk , and the deadline will expire, I have been told to select the auto renew box , but this did not work on first attempt , and I only managed to save the coach with hours left on the clock , this is an obvious concern , so , is it a bug , or has there been a change in the negotiations structuring , anyone else had this ..

 

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Re: coach negotiations bug

By manekaster - 30-05-2019 13:54

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You can only use the "auto renew" function if you're a club member. For any further issues, please contact support.You can only use the "auto renew" function if you're a club member. For any further issues, please contact support.

Re: coach negotiations bug

By heddo - 31-05-2019 03:23

I have already contacted support twice , now I have a message saying it is solved , and then I get a message saying to be patient , my coach has one day left on his contract , and he will not negotiate , the message above says he will not negotiate until the time his contract expires , so what has happened , is it a bug , has there been a change , am I suppose to sit and wait until the deadline ends , I am going to lose a coach here I feel ..I have already contacted support twice , now I have a message saying it is solved , and then I get a message saying to be patient , my coach has one day left on his contract , and he will not negotiate , the message above says he will not negotiate until the time his contract expires , so what has happened , is it a bug , has there been a change , am I suppose to sit and wait until the deadline ends , I am going to lose a coach here I feel ..

Re: coach negotiations bug

By heddo - 31-05-2019 03:24

plus it was support who told me to use auto renew , so that's pretty cool huh ..plus it was support who told me to use auto renew , so that's pretty cool huh ..

Re: coach negotiations bug

By theloyalone - 31-05-2019 04:41

I'll just quickly tell you how the coach thing works. 1) You're not a CM : Irrespective of CM or not, every manager gets a 14 day window just before the end of the coach's contract to renegotiate with him. You've got to use this wisely and be alert (about your coaches' status), since you can only negotiate [b]ONCE[/b] per 7 days. So, if your first renegotiating attempt is not in the first 4 days (of the 14 days left on your coach's contract), then you will lose out on the second renegotiating chance. Also, if you fail to settle a deal in the first renegotiating attempt, and if you can't agree on a deal with him in the second attempt too, then he will leave your club, and you will be helpless. So, if you've failed in the first attempt, just get the same deal (as per the current contract) done again in the second attempt. In short, use the first deal to try and bargain, but if he's rejected it, and if you don't at all want to lose him, play safe in the second attempt, and pen the same deal (like in the current contract). 2) You're a CM : ManagerZone is a very sweet game :) It takes care of its managers well :) The biggest advantage you have as a CM (wrt to hiring coaches), is that you can try bargaining however you wish to, and still not lose out on him, provided, you've ticked on the Auto-renew option. I'll just give a quick example of both scenarios. Assume that you bought your coach the first time for a salary of 10 Euros (and 'minimum salary' possible is 5 Euros). 1) When you're not a CM : When just 14 days are left for his contract to expire, you will try and negotiate. Let's say you try and settle for 7 Euros. But he doesn't agree. Now, wait another 7 days. After 7 days, try and renegotiate again, and if you in no way wanna lose your player, then just go for 10 Euros again (that is, same deal as in current contract). Even going for 9 Euros may end up in him rejecting the offer. 2) When you're a CM : This makes life easy :) As long as you click the auto renew, you can negotiate freely (while taking risks) without fearing the loss of your coach. Again, lets say you try and get his salary down to 7 Euros in first attempt at renegotiating. He declines your offer. There is then a 7 day pause. After that, you've got another chance to try. Now, in your second attempt, you don't need to take prevent measures (for the fear of losing him) and settle for same contract (10 Euros). Instead, you can try 8 Euros. If he agrees, then great, you've got yourself paying 2 euros less every week. If he doesn't agree, then you just make sure you've ticked the 'auto renew' option, and in that case, at the end of his contract, his contract will be renewed at the same salary (10 Euros). So, in this case, you get to push your luck while safely knowing that you're never going to lose your player. Hope that helped.I'll just quickly tell you how the coach thing works.

1) You're not a CM :

Irrespective of CM or not, every manager gets a 14 day window just before the end of the coach's contract to renegotiate with him. You've got to use this wisely and be alert (about your coaches' status), since you can only negotiate ONCE per 7 days. So, if your first renegotiating attempt is not in the first 4 days (of the 14 days left on your coach's contract), then you will lose out on the second renegotiating chance.

Also, if you fail to settle a deal in the first renegotiating attempt, and if you can't agree on a deal with him in the second attempt too, then he will leave your club, and you will be helpless.

So, if you've failed in the first attempt, just get the same deal (as per the current contract) done again in the second attempt.

In short, use the first deal to try and bargain, but if he's rejected it, and if you don't at all want to lose him, play safe in the second attempt, and pen the same deal (like in the current contract).

2) You're a CM :

ManagerZone is a very sweet game :) It takes care of its managers well :) The biggest advantage you have as a CM (wrt to hiring coaches), is that you can try bargaining however you wish to, and still not lose out on him, provided, you've ticked on the Auto-renew option.

I'll just give a quick example of both scenarios.

Assume that you bought your coach the first time for a salary of 10 Euros (and 'minimum salary' possible is 5 Euros).

1) When you're not a CM :

When just 14 days are left for his contract to expire, you will try and negotiate. Let's say you try and settle for 7 Euros. But he doesn't agree. Now, wait another 7 days. After 7 days, try and renegotiate again, and if you in no way wanna lose your player, then just go for 10 Euros again (that is, same deal as in current contract). Even going for 9 Euros may end up in him rejecting the offer.

2) When you're a CM :

This makes life easy :) As long as you click the auto renew, you can negotiate freely (while taking risks) without fearing the loss of your coach. Again, lets say you try and get his salary down to 7 Euros in first attempt at renegotiating. He declines your offer. There is then a 7 day pause. After that, you've got another chance to try.

Now, in your second attempt, you don't need to take prevent measures (for the fear of losing him) and settle for same contract (10 Euros). Instead, you can try 8 Euros.

If he agrees, then great, you've got yourself paying 2 euros less every week.

If he doesn't agree, then you just make sure you've ticked the 'auto renew' option, and in that case, at the end of his contract, his contract will be renewed at the same salary (10 Euros). So, in this case, you get to push your luck while safely knowing that you're never going to lose your player.

Hope that helped.

Re: coach negotiations bug

By theloyalone - 31-05-2019 04:45

first 7* days (of the 14 days left on your coach's contract) that you're never going to lose your coach*first 7* days (of the 14 days left on your coach's contract)

that you're never going to lose your coach*

Re: coach negotiations bug

By powdersnow (Crew) - 31-05-2019 15:21

[BFTF]

As I told you through support, I suspect this is due to your computer clock displaying the wrong time and/or date, so please check that and if there's still a problem, write back. :)As I told you through support, I suspect this is due to your computer clock displaying the wrong time and/or date, so please check that and if there's still a problem, write back. :)

Re: coach negotiations bug

By heddo - 01-06-2019 04:51

hello , my computer clock is not the issue , it is ok , it is a bug , my coach has zero days left on his contract , but it is saying above in red that I have to wait till 03 /06 before he will negotiate , he should have been ready to re negotiate five days ago , once my coaches refuse my first offer , I just give them the salary they had in the previous contract , I have been playing the game since 2007 , I feel a little bit insulted that you think it is my pc clock , and I do not know how to manage coaches ..hello , my computer clock is not the issue , it is ok , it is a bug , my coach has zero days left on his contract , but it is saying above in red that I have to wait till 03 /06 before he will negotiate , he should have been ready to re negotiate five days ago , once my coaches refuse my first offer , I just give them the salary they had in the previous contract , I have been playing the game since 2007 , I feel a little bit insulted that you think it is my pc clock , and I do not know how to manage coaches ..

Re: coach negotiations bug

By heddo - 01-06-2019 05:33

there is nothing in the manual regarding the second negotiation phase , are you saying that if I offer a deal with only five days left of the fourteen, that I do not get chance to re negotiate , if the first offer is refused , if this is so , there is nothing down anywhere stating it as a fact , the manual has not covered every aspect of negotiations , I cannot verify how many days were left of the fourteen before I made an offer , this needs to be cleared up , there is no point having fourteen days , when in actual fact you only have four or five days to make your first offer, if this be the case ..there is nothing in the manual regarding the second negotiation phase , are you saying that if I offer a deal with only five days left of the fourteen, that I do not get chance to re negotiate , if the first offer is refused , if this is so , there is nothing down anywhere stating it as a fact , the manual has not covered every aspect of negotiations , I cannot verify how many days were left of the fourteen before I made an offer , this needs to be cleared up , there is no point having fourteen days , when in actual fact you only have four or five days to make your first offer, if this be the case ..

Re: coach negotiations bug

By theloyalone - 01-06-2019 12:49

I did not exactly understand what your point was, but I'll give u a 'live' example. I had a coach right now, who had just 1 day left on his contract (i've ticked the auto-renew option for him btw). I tried something (for you), so as to confirm what happens. I got a deal with him, and then exited talks. When i tried negotiating with him again, the note at top of the screen says ''You need to wait until 08-06-2019 16:13 before you can renegotiate with this coach.'' I'd tried negotiating at 4:13 PM on the 1st of june (today), and the next time i can negotiate is only on the 8th at 4:13 PM (which means exactly a week later). So, since the coach has just 1 day on his contract, basically it means i cant negotiate with him again. But like i already mentioned earlier, this is irrelevant for me, since a CM can auto-renew the coach's contract. For a non-CM, if you can't renegotiate successfully in 2 attempts, you lose your coach. So, basically, had i tried renegotiating (the first time) before his first 7 days (out of last 14) were over, I'd have gotten another chance at renegotiating. Once the 7th day passes, you get just one chance. I hope you got my point this time.

heddo wrote:

there is nothing in the manual regarding the second negotiation phase , are you saying that if I offer a deal with only five days left of the fourteen, that I do not get chance to re negotiate , if the first offer is refused , if this is so , there is nothing down anywhere stating it as a fact , the manual has not covered every aspect of negotiations , I cannot verify how many days were left of the fourteen before I made an offer , this needs to be cleared up , there is no point having fourteen days , when in actual fact you only have four or five days to make your first offer, if this be the case ..

I did not exactly understand what your point was, but I'll give u a 'live' example.

I had a coach right now, who had just 1 day left on his contract (i've ticked the auto-renew option for him btw).

I tried something (for you), so as to confirm what happens.

I got a deal with him, and then exited talks. When i tried negotiating with him again, the note at top of the screen says ''You need to wait until 08-06-2019 16:13 before you can renegotiate with this coach.''

I'd tried negotiating at 4:13 PM on the 1st of june (today), and the next time i can negotiate is only on the 8th at 4:13 PM (which means exactly a week later).

So, since the coach has just 1 day on his contract, basically it means i cant negotiate with him again. But like i already mentioned earlier, this is irrelevant for me, since a CM can auto-renew the coach's contract.

For a non-CM, if you can't renegotiate successfully in 2 attempts, you lose your coach.

So, basically, had i tried renegotiating (the first time) before his first 7 days (out of last 14) were over, I'd have gotten another chance at renegotiating.

Once the 7th day passes, you get just one chance.

I hope you got my point this time.

Ce: coach negotiations bug

By engerek01 - 01-06-2019 21:24

[MZ-TR]

It is actually possible to make 3 offers in 14 days if you time it right. I do that all the time. Use the first 2 attempts to lower the wage and use the 3rd one as a safe bid. In order to do this, you need to bid when there are exactly 14 days left and in the MORNING. If the negotiaton fails, the next attempt will be 7 days later. Next week, you'll have an other change. Again, if it fails, you will have ONE FINAL chance when there are 0 days left. I usually make crazy bids in the first attempt and reject even if the coach except. Then I make an other offer next week, this time more sensible. I made an excel file that calculates the best possible wage for Trainers based on previous attemps.It is actually possible to make 3 offers in 14 days if you time it right. I do that all the time. Use the first 2 attempts to lower the wage and use the 3rd one as a safe bid.

In order to do this, you need to bid when there are exactly 14 days left and in the MORNING. If the negotiaton fails, the next attempt will be 7 days later. Next week, you'll have an other change. Again, if it fails, you will have ONE FINAL chance when there are 0 days left.

I usually make crazy bids in the first attempt and reject even if the coach except. Then I make an other offer next week, this time more sensible. I made an excel file that calculates the best possible wage for Trainers based on previous attemps.

Απ: coach negotiations bug

By montister - 01-06-2019 21:37

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A comment very well pointed out!

engerek01 wrote:

It is actually possible to make 3 offers in 14 days if you time it right. I do that all the time. Use the first 2 attempts to lower the wage and use the 3rd one as a safe bid.

In order to do this, you need to bid when there are exactly 14 days left and in the MORNING. If the negotiaton fails, the next attempt will be 7 days later. Next week, you'll have an other change. Again, if it fails, you will have ONE FINAL chance when there are 0 days left.

I usually make crazy bids in the first attempt and reject even if the coach except. Then I make an other offer next week, this time more sensible. I made an excel file that calculates the best possible wage for Trainers based on previous attemps.

A comment very well pointed out!

Re: coach negotiations bug

By theloyalone - 01-06-2019 22:04

ah yep sorry, i forgot the 0 day thing. Honestly, I've hardly ever had to use the renegotiating option, coz my coaches are as cheap as they can be..i couldnt be happier ! :)

engerek01 wrote:

It is actually possible to make 3 offers in 14 days if you time it right. I do that all the time. Use the first 2 attempts to lower the wage and use the 3rd one as a safe bid.

In order to do this, you need to bid when there are exactly 14 days left and in the MORNING. If the negotiaton fails, the next attempt will be 7 days later. Next week, you'll have an other change. Again, if it fails, you will have ONE FINAL chance when there are 0 days left.

I usually make crazy bids in the first attempt and reject even if the coach except. Then I make an other offer next week, this time more sensible. I made an excel file that calculates the best possible wage for Trainers based on previous attemps.

ah yep sorry, i forgot the 0 day thing.

Honestly, I've hardly ever had to use the renegotiating option, coz my coaches are as cheap as they can be..i couldnt be happier ! :)

Re: coach negotiations bug

By heddo - 02-06-2019 03:27

I lost the coach at 11pm last night , he was one of my retired players , so I just re appointed him , I feel you have all missed the point , I NEVER got the chance to re negotiate with him ONCE , never mind three times , like I said, he refused to talk until the deadline expired , I have several coaches that have reached a limit on salary , I feel it is grossly unfair that non club members cannot use auto renew, also I find it amazing that no one has commented on the fact that coach negotiations , particularly second phase are not covered fully on the manual, lastly, @theloyalone , like I said , ive played the game since 2007 and I don't need your patronizing bull , so do me a favour ..I lost the coach at 11pm last night , he was one of my retired players , so I just re appointed him , I feel you have all missed the point , I NEVER got the chance to re negotiate with him ONCE , never mind three times , like I said, he refused to talk until the deadline expired , I have several coaches that have reached a limit on salary , I feel it is grossly unfair that non club members cannot use auto renew, also I find it amazing that no one has commented on the fact that coach negotiations , particularly second phase are not covered fully on the manual, lastly, @theloyalone , like I said , ive played the game since 2007 and I don't need your patronizing bull , so do me a favour ..

Re: coach negotiations bug

By theloyalone - 02-06-2019 08:22

First of all, we have missed the point because you're too vague about what the problem is. You contradict yourself. As far as I understand in my 2 years of MZ Football, you said 'after turning down my first offer', which basically means you DID get a first chance at renegotiation. Then again, you later say you didn't get it even once. So, I think you should first put forward your query clearly, then expect others not to miss the point :) Non-CMs can have a problem with some of the perks given to CMs, and justifiably, so, but i find nothing 'grossly unfair' that non-CMs cannot use auto-renew. After all, auto-renew only helps managers who're lazy (or forget) to keep renegotiating, or those who want to have a 'safe' attempt at reducing their coaches' salaries. But, as far as we all know, even non-CMs do have 3 attempts at renegotiations, and hence you have enough chances to retain your coach. And, as far as I've experienced, in my lowly 2 years (unlike your 12 :)) of experience, you do not lose a coach if you, at the least, give him the same salary contract. So the only difference is that while CMs can negotiate for a lesser salary without much pre-caution, a non-CM's got to be vary and careful in doing so. And I'm sure CMs deserve atleast this much of an advantage, if they're paying. what i honestly find amusing is that a manager who's being so egoistic and arrogant about having played [b]SINCE 2007 [/b] even requires the mention of that, while one who started just in 2017 does not. not that I'm not for more clarity, but I'd expect such [b]highly experienced[/b] managers to know about such petty things. just saying :) No problems mate, in all honestly, i was only trying to help. I don't think I'm actually getting anything out of suggesting anything to you. Neither is it my obligation, and neither my hobby. I was only sincerely trying to help, but it looks like you have some serious ego issues...maybe that's the actual problem with your coaches too ! haha... 'Like manager like coaches' :P Anyway, I'm out of this now..you have fun with your coaches :P ;)

heddo wrote:

I lost the coach at 11pm last night , he was one of my retired players , so I just re appointed him , I feel you have all missed the point , I NEVER got the chance to re negotiate with him ONCE , never mind three times , like I said, he refused to talk until the deadline expired

First of all, we have missed the point because you're too vague about what the problem is. You contradict yourself.

heddo wrote:

my coaches have suddenly stopped telling me they have not received an offer, to allow me to re negotiate , after turning down my first offer , they are refusing to talk , and the deadline will expire

As far as I understand in my 2 years of MZ Football, you said 'after turning down my first offer', which basically means you DID get a first chance at renegotiation. Then again, you later say you didn't get it even once.

So, I think you should first put forward your query clearly, then expect others not to miss the point :)

heddo wrote:

I have several coaches that have reached a limit on salary , I feel it is grossly unfair that non club members cannot use auto renew

Non-CMs can have a problem with some of the perks given to CMs, and justifiably, so, but i find nothing 'grossly unfair' that non-CMs cannot use auto-renew. After all, auto-renew only helps managers who're lazy (or forget) to keep renegotiating, or those who want to have a 'safe' attempt at reducing their coaches' salaries.

But, as far as we all know, even non-CMs do have 3 attempts at renegotiations, and hence you have enough chances to retain your coach. And, as far as I've experienced, in my lowly 2 years (unlike your 12 :)) of experience, you do not lose a coach if you, at the least, give him the same salary contract.

So the only difference is that while CMs can negotiate for a lesser salary without much pre-caution, a non-CM's got to be vary and careful in doing so. And I'm sure CMs deserve atleast this much of an advantage, if they're paying.

heddo wrote:

also I find it amazing that no one has commented on the fact that coach negotiations , particularly second phase are not covered fully on the manual

what i honestly find amusing is that a manager who's being so egoistic and arrogant about having played SINCE 2007
even requires the mention of that, while one who started just in 2017 does not. not that I'm not for more clarity, but I'd expect such highly experienced managers to know about such petty things. just saying :)

heddo wrote:

lastly, @theloyalone , like I said , ive played the game since 2007 and I don't need your patronizing bull , so do me a favour ..

No problems mate, in all honestly, i was only trying to help. I don't think I'm actually getting anything out of suggesting anything to you. Neither is it my obligation, and neither my hobby.

I was only sincerely trying to help, but it looks like you have some serious ego issues...maybe that's the actual problem with your coaches too ! haha... 'Like manager like coaches' :P

Anyway, I'm out of this now..you have fun with your coaches :P ;)

Re: coach negotiations bug

By theloyalone - 02-06-2019 08:26

wary*wary*

Re: coach negotiations bug

By frankzappa - 02-06-2019 16:00

[KERNOW]
President

Played the game for 12 years and still don't know how the coach negotiation system works? Then come to the forum asking for help and shout down anyone who offers assistance? Make a fair offer to your coaches and they won't refuse you in the first place, and this includes offering what they are already paid. Stop blaming others for your failings.

heddo wrote:

@theloyalone , like I said , ive played the game since 2007 and I don't need your patronizing bull , so do me a favour ..

Played the game for 12 years and still don't know how the coach negotiation system works?
Then come to the forum asking for help and shout down anyone who offers assistance?

Make a fair offer to your coaches and they won't refuse you in the first place, and this includes offering what they are already paid.

Stop blaming others for your failings.

Re: coach negotiations bug

By heddo - 03-06-2019 03:11

typical farnkzappa input , sark , delicate trouble causing without any infringement of the rules , that's why I have called you a shithead in your guestbooktypical farnkzappa input , sark , delicate trouble causing without any infringement of the rules , that's why I have called you a shithead in your guestbook

Re: coach negotiations bug

By powdersnow (Crew) - 03-06-2019 09:41

[BFTF]

Seems like this spiraled into a bad place... I will resume the discussion with heddo through the open support ticket, and close this thread. Appreciate the assistance given by theloyalone and others here! Cheers.Seems like this spiraled into a bad place... I will resume the discussion with heddo through the open support ticket, and close this thread.

Appreciate the assistance given by theloyalone and others here! Cheers.

 

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