Change languagePersonally I am having trouble paying out 5 tokens to join any friendly leagues. This is because they have no prize fund.
Don't know about other people think and please say your two bobs worth.
Wouldn't it be better for the game if the host could pay X amount of tokens to have a range of "Game" prize money for these?
Say 5 tokens can dish out 20K...
Say 10 tokens and you can dish out 40K...
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Re: Like to know what u think.
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bestplaymaker2134 - 12-07-2018 13:06That'll make the game even more pay to win.
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rubiton111 - 12-07-2018 13:42I hear that but what game worth playing panders to the homeless?
I think this game panders way to much to the people that don't support it with good old fashion bucks.
If they did not make money of the people that play.
Game go bye bye!
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rubiton111 - 12-07-2018 13:48But in accordance with the "pay to win"
Could max the amount you can make it prize money per season to 200K or something.
So that someone can't make millions.
But Is times especially during the break period, would like to watch a game.
There are huge gaps in between games worth watching in between cups if u get knocked early.
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aldebaran - 12-07-2018 14:19
rubiton111 wrote:...
I think this game panders way to much to the people that don't support it with good old fashion bucks.
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MMOs need a big player base in order to be able to succeed
no one wants to play against bots, not being able to sell/buy players etc etc
in an MMO like MZ, where the main game "token" (football players) is tightly knitted with the amount of users, the more users the better the game experience everyone gets (even if the majority of the users are freeloaders like myself)
even EVE online opened its doors to freeloaders (maybe it has to do with the decline in their subscribers...who knows)
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rubiton111 - 12-07-2018 14:33Like I said Cap it to 200K profit max a season.
But at least then I have a game to watch.
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aldebaran - 12-07-2018 14:46
you can always petition for an (extra?) official/prized off season CUP that starts and ends during the off-season period
rubiton111 wrote:Like I said Cap it to 200K profit max a season.
that sounds reasonable, although it will still cause a ruckus. Both for raising the gap between paying and non paying users and for adding extra money (thus more inflation) into the economic system of the game
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rubiton111 - 12-07-2018 15:14So this is a problem.
How about the day after the season ends a new season starts and don't have to find a game worth watching?
take the break and put it where it belongs!
Is a game does not need to spend 3 months with the wife and kids.
Season ends next day new season new cups.
Or run season break cup like it should be...
Is a season break cup - in season break - I was out before the break started!
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rubiton111 - 12-07-2018 15:54aldebaran wrote:you can always petition for an (extra?) official/prized off season CUP that starts and ends during the off-season period
This is a pleasing prospect.
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rubiton111 - 12-07-2018 16:02How about off season Nation league Division groped League!
16 teams 1 game. (no HW advantage)
Free and automatic entry with prize pool 18's 23's Sen's
Now that would fix the bore draw - break!
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aemi - 13-07-2018 06:29Its a free choice so dont spend the 5 tokens on FLS. Instead, Buy something for your herd of kangaroos. Or even better donate it to a Canadian. His user is aemi.
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troyh65 - 13-07-2018 07:16I stopped playing prized cups a long time ago, there was no value in it for me, no decent spectator cash. If I have to pay, I want something in return, so I understand what you're saying. Now, I just pay for things that I can see value. It's a weird business model Mz run, pandered to those who whinge loudest, pandered to those want a free ride, I'm not sure how they keep paying wages.
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rubiton111 - 13-07-2018 10:53aemi wrote:Or even better donate it to a Canadian.
My Donation to canada is my player Despins ;)
20yo 8 speed 7.9 Stamina 8 Tackle all unmaxed....
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rubiton111 - 13-07-2018 11:03troyh65 wrote:pandered to those who whinge loudest, pandered to those want a free ride
The way the world works is that those who agree don't voice an opinion because they know, for every comment from what is the most popular opinion. Those it will effect poorly. Will always gather together and make the most noise.
USA - - - laws are the perfect example.
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aldebaran - 13-07-2018 14:23
AFAIK (or at least that's how I see it) the trend on MMOG is to have the base game with one time subscription/purchase (or even for free in some cases) and get everything else with either micro-transactions/loot boxes/DLC etc
you have something similar in MZ
you can even say that paying customers have their own dedicated servers in the form of the world league series
MMOGs need a huge base of users to be successful (hence the "massive" in their description). I'm sure MZ has enough data/statistics from all those years to know if they can turn MZ into a "paying only customers" game and survive
And again, let's get back to the "massive" side of things...
How big is exactly your AUS community? (no offence meant in any way)
How much weight does your word carry?
(I'm certain that the developers measure equally all opinions/feedback from every community, whether they have 150k users or only 40 (random numbers), and I mean it)
Also I'm getting conflicting opinions from you...you have a problem because there's not enough off-season action or because there's not enough incentive in the currently available off-season action? (sorry if I misunderstood you on this)
If it's the lack of action, then go ahead and pitch them your idea about an off-season ultra fast official CUP. It's dead easy for them to add another cup (also try to gather some supporters before you do that, because you know, the more people you have backing your side, the more the probability to have what you want :) )
If it's more incentive you seek...then good luck presenting them a financial analysis, in an already ruined by inflation economy, that could justify a raise in income!
ps. I don't know how many seasons you have under your belt in MZ, but income from league games used to be much higher than it is today (and they did the right thing in reducing it)
pps. Remember that developers/companies have to juggle all the time between staying afloat, retaining their "rights" on their IP (ie not stray away too far from their main plan about their IP/game) against customers pressure that want to turn their game into something else and trying to please little brats like you and me (again no offence, but let's face it, as gamers, most of the time we behave like brats))
disclaimer:
I hope nobody gets offended by some words/expressions that I use(d). Remember that English is not my native language and that I always like to post my opinion (if I have one) on a subject that I think it can lead to the betterment of MZ.
Also, everybody knows by now, that the forum is the best part of MZ :P
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rubiton111 - 13-07-2018 14:42All I am hearing from this is free free free...
Don't think the plebs are needed,,, I actually think a pathway free should be in place to enjoy the game.
I don't think those who pay to play should be inhibited.
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rubiton111 - 13-07-2018 14:47What I mean is if u can build a good team and do it free should be in place. However if u chose to donate cash to the game. Well that's great for the free players because they have a game to play.
Now Sure... free players will face a long path to be top!
Mean time they have a game to play because the guys that pay to keep it going - guess what? Keep it going :)
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aldebaran - 13-07-2018 15:59
the only inhibition CMs get, is that they play with the same version of the SIM the plebs are playing ;)
Also, like I said, you are free to make your case to the developers and even better right here on the forums
If MZ becomes "paying only", the plebs will just leave and go find something else to play
the plebs always survive my friend :)
But please, do tell me where did you see me going against CMs getting more benefits? I'm against ruining the game economy even more
Also from you last comment all I'm getting is "we want more team money, more team money"
You will be the one that will still have a problem and argue about the CM benefits after they give you more. (the more money you get, the more competitive you will become, the more expenses you will have and you will still have to go up against other CMs for the top position that will get to follow suit)
The "pleb" knows that he will only get a piece of bread for lunch, no matter if you (CM) get to eat wild boar for dinner or lobster and caviar
So, either we leave it to that (me = more free*your understanding, not mine*, you = more bonus for CMs)
or we try to explain to each other (and the rest of the forumites) what we're saying and/or want from this game
The competition is already split between paying and non-paying users
non paying users (the logical ones at least) know their limits in the game and understand that CMs get benefits as paying customers
but both parties have a "beneficial" coexistence in the game
you get to pay, we get to play for free
we get to offer you an active resistance in the league games and you get the potential of a richer transfer list and the occasional top tier player coming out from our academies that we have to sell because we can't afford him anymore etc etc etc
if you fail to see this peaceful coexistence (that is part of many free MMOGs) that promotes a good game experience, then I can see why you seem to think that only extra incentives is what you really need in order to compete successfully in this game
Like I said earlier...feel free to present your case to the developers, if you are correct they will have no problem at all to follow your suggestions (I'm guessing)
But please stop trying to cause a fuss by divide and conquer tactics (I'm exaggerating a bit of course) in an already ruined (by inactivity) community, by claiming that the free loaders are the ones that are holding back the game and the pleasureability of it to the CMs because we're not letting the CMs get more team money etc etc
Do you know how this sound?
It sounds something like this: "I'm paying real money and I still can't win over all those pleb over there! CREW!!! Do something about it!
From the moment I returned to MZ, the only thing I had argued about is the darn SIM and the ruined economy. I couldn't care less for what extra the CMs get and neither should any other non CM user (in any game).
tl;dr version:
All you have to do is ask for more team money/incentives/whatever from the developers. You (CMs) will be the ones fighting the inflation monster.
Non CMs have a distinctive style of gameplay (economically speaking) that will adapt to the new status quo. Our financial capabilities are capped (unless of course we play the "hoarding" game).
Non CMs are not your problem and never will be. Also, money is not "THE" problem in this game. LUCK (RNG) is. Unfortunately there's not a special CM package to buy LUCK tokens (yet)
;)
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aldebaran - 13-07-2018 16:13
rubiton111 wrote:What I mean is if u can build a good team and do it free should be in place. However if u chose to donate cash to the game. Well that's great for the free players because they have a game to play.
Now Sure... free players will face a long path to be top!
Mean time they have a game to play because the guys that pay to keep it going - guess what? Keep it going :)
I've seen this answer after posting the above msg (It's hard to keep up when you have kids running around in the house ^_^ )
I agree with you...
But this is exactly how the game is right now
Nobody sane in his mind could argue against paying customers having some kind of benefits over non paying ones
What you ask is for more incentives/bonuses/whatever
I'm not against that.
Even the 200k per season you suggested earlier about the FLs is reasonable for me
But imagine this:
5.000 users qualify per season for that 200k extra income (you can always legitimately "rig" the FL so that a specific user can get the top spot)
5.000 * 200.000 = 1 billion of extra money into the game economy !
where will that extra money go? there are no income taxes in the game, there's not extra facilities to build, the roster is limited to how many players you can have (you can't train unlimited amount of senior players).
The only thing left is the Transfer Market. So expect good player to become even more expensive, expect more expenses cause of even higher salaries)
non CMs will become richer faster than now and will be able to compete with CMs more easily than before, because after all, besides Luck and tactics, you also need good players to win in this game.
And producing good players is down to just plain LUCK!
I, as a non CM, will have a better financial status (after selling 3-4 good players for a very high fee) because I will be able to afford to keep a full roster for numerous seasons and send everybody to TCs all the time
Thus, leaving aside inflation, it will also ruin the game for the CMs in the end
(at least that's how my simple mind sees it)
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aldebaran - 13-07-2018 16:16
cont.
because with this SIM, the underdog already has enough chances to beat the superior team (ie 8@s winning over 9@s and 10@s (simplified example))
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rubiton111 - 13-07-2018 16:27So now your kind sounding like your with me.
Let me tell u about me.
I Have 30 million Aud.
i don't run a senior team.
Omly 18's and 21's.
I PAY TO PLAY.
Even though I'm very rich - still I don't run a senior team because of wages.
I'm thinking to get to 120 Million after I sell my guys as they go 22.
One day i'll buy a senior team with 13 internationals.
This is years away.
Still I am pained not to want to spend 5 tokens, to play in a league.
Is no reward apart from another trophy to add to the 1000's.
I want a reason to pay 5 tokens to go into a league!
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aldebaran - 13-07-2018 16:52
FUN!
playing against your mates and bragging in their face if you win against them.
This is all what FLs are about. They are not for making money.
Official Cups are about making money.
Petition CREW to make an off-season super fast X-token fee, prized competition.
I'm all in favor and it's an excellent idea for those who don't want to spend the season break by being idle
I'm also in favor for more incentives to the CMs, but you have to understand the long term problems that they will (most definitely) produce in the MZ Economy, if they're only money based (and without long term planning)
It will be like those 3rd world countries (again no offense meant to anybody) when one day they start printing money non stop and the next morning the price for a loaf of bread rises by 800% (or something similar)
To understand my point of view (you can call it obsession if you like :P ) with the game economy, I will tell you that I'm even against those 600k tour bonuses, even though that extra money is all that keeps me afloat with my current budget
The problem is, that the way the game works now (fast training/plenty of TCs/maxed out players by the age of 25) there's no way going back because it will ruin the game for everyone (CMs and non CMs)
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rubiton111 - 13-07-2018 17:27FL's are about a game of football.
Should be a reward to pay 5 tokens to play one.
You claim to be free rider?
How are you in these?
Unless u pay 5 tokens?
But you don't!
So your the voice of someone who does not pay... yet saying it is play V friends.
So yet again - negative voice from someone who does not even use this option cos, it not free - ergo the voice that sounds loudest.
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aldebaran - 13-07-2018 17:48
I have spare tokens (all free ones) that I don't even spend on official Cups
Heck, even back in 2003 when I was GA after a few rounds of FL/CUPs I even stopped putting myself in them (and I was free to participate in ALL of them!)
I do hope this gives you an honest answer about why I don't care/participate in FLs/Cups
If not, ask an experienced CM user how he feels about all those FREE FLs and CUP entries he gets with his membership and if he pays attention to them, unless he manages to reach the final stages (where the money is)
As for the "negative" voice, I'm afraid you just don't understand (maybe that's my fault because I'm not fluent in english) what I'm arguing about
My problem is about the gameplay as a whole in MZ
It has nothing to do if I pay or don't, if you pay or don't, if CMs get more than non CMs etc etc
I explained to you how the two communities (paying and non paying) react and coexist in MMOGs and should be a problem or argument between them . I also tried to explain how the economy will be affected and it will affect all of us (paying and non paying users)
And again...go on and pettition/suggest CREW for what you believe should be done.
You asked to know what others think and instead of a debate, always your final argument is that I'm just a mere pleb/freeloader that just wants his way and everybody listens to him because I sound the loudest ^_^
If you just didn't want to hear my voice why ask the question in the first place?
Anyway mate, it seems we've reached a standstill. You have your opinion, I have mine and I don't think that I have anything else to add until something new pops up about this subject
I want to thank you for the conversation. It's always nice to have a go in the forums :)
Best of luck!
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aldebaran - 13-07-2018 17:49
"MMOGs and should be" -> shouldn't be a problem
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aemi - 13-07-2018 21:57Leave the free players alone. Without them the prices for regular players would sky-rocket. We would substitute them for kangaroos.
Don't tell Elon Musk I said that.
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rubiton111 - 14-07-2018 17:48Got a very nice Kangaroo in my U-21 team aemi.
Is a Canadian one.
I just set him so u can see his stats...
All unmaxed :)
PS my U-21 team just beat Canada 2-0 hehehe
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aemi - 15-07-2018 21:43rubiton111 wrote:Got a very nice Kangaroo in my U-21 team aemi.
Is a Canadian one.
I just set him so u can see his stats...
All unmaxed :)
PS my U-21 team just beat Canada 2-0 hehehe
Dude, that kango is such a special breed. He is a combination of Pele and Maradona. He is so royal. Such a classy Canadian.
You should give it to me for free. Ill breed him. Sounds wrong.
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