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Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By civilu - 21-03-2018 11:39

[RAF]
President

So it's that time of the year, when we have to choose between 300.000 euro and 2 players aged 21, which would most likely come early-maxed (especially in medium or good teams). What do you choose and why? PS: I'm curious if Crew has any stats as to what managers chose... because my impression is that almost all chose the money if for no other reason than the fact that loyals are so poor or early-maxed. And it's not the money but the dissapointment of seeing such poor players being created...So it's that time of the year, when we have to choose between 300.000 euro and 2 players aged 21, which would most likely come early-maxed (especially in medium or good teams).

What do you choose and why?

PS: I'm curious if Crew has any stats as to what managers chose... because my impression is that almost all chose the money if for no other reason than the fact that loyals are so poor or early-maxed. And it's not the money but the dissapointment of seeing such poor players being created...

 

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Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By aldebaran - 21-03-2018 15:12

I always go for the loyal players, unless there's an urgent need to get more money to balance the season's budget I'm also planning to have a hockey team with only loyal players in the roster why go for loyal players you ask? because for me, the gambling factor between a loyal and training a youth is (almost) the same also I'm just a casual player in MZ and that means that I have the luxury of "underachieving"I always go for the loyal players, unless there's an urgent need to get more money to balance the season's budget

I'm also planning to have a hockey team with only loyal players in the roster

why go for loyal players you ask?
because for me, the gambling factor between a loyal and training a youth is (almost) the same

also I'm just a casual player in MZ and that means that I have the luxury of "underachieving"

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By theloyalone - 21-03-2018 15:37

well, i'd thought of something similar. the thing about loyal players is,if u chance upon a kinda 'monster' player even after 10-15 players, then the money lost until u chanced upon that monster player is much lesser than the money you'd have needed to buy such a player in the market ! but then, it has its own drawbacks too - firstly, you cannot sell this monster player, which means u will be 'rewarded' for this player only 'playing wise', and not money wise. secondly, if you will be rewarded only playing wise (that is, he will perform well in matches, which will boost ur team's performances), then you ought to be a competitive side, else these 'playing wise' benefits will not really benefit u at all.

aldebaran wrote:

I always go for the loyal players, unless there's an urgent need to get more money to balance the season's budget

I'm also planning to have a hockey team with only loyal players in the roster

why go for loyal players you ask?
because for me, the gambling factor between a loyal and training a youth is (almost) the same

also I'm just a casual player in MZ and that means that I have the luxury of "underachieving"

well, i'd thought of something similar.

the thing about loyal players is,if u chance upon a kinda 'monster' player even after 10-15 players, then the money lost until u chanced upon that monster player is much lesser than the money you'd have needed to buy such a player in the market !

but then, it has its own drawbacks too - firstly, you cannot sell this monster player, which means u will be 'rewarded' for this player only 'playing wise', and not money wise.

secondly, if you will be rewarded only playing wise (that is, he will perform well in matches, which will boost ur team's performances), then you ought to be a competitive side, else these 'playing wise' benefits will not really benefit u at all.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By hanzinho - 21-03-2018 20:03

[WCE]
President

Loyals. I am realistic, they are going to be c.r.a.p. But I need players for my U23 team, and they are filling that role nicely. I view these players are loan subjects, since I fire them after they are too old to participate at U23 level. Basically, these loan subjects mean I can sell other U23 players.Loyals. I am realistic, they are going to be c.r.a.p.
But I need players for my U23 team, and they are filling that role nicely. I view these players are loan subjects, since I fire them after they are too old to participate at U23 level. Basically, these loan subjects mean I can sell other U23 players.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By theloyalone - 21-03-2018 20:17

i just realized - why on earth did i even make an effort to answer that one ? the answer's right in my name ! :P

theloyalone wrote:

well, i'd thought of something similar.

the thing about loyal players is,if u chance upon a kinda 'monster' player even after 10-15 players, then the money lost until u chanced upon that monster player is much lesser than the money you'd have needed to buy such a player in the market !

but then, it has its own drawbacks too - firstly, you cannot sell this monster player, which means u will be 'rewarded' for this player only 'playing wise', and not money wise.

secondly, if you will be rewarded only playing wise (that is, he will perform well in matches, which will boost ur team's performances), then you ought to be a competitive side, else these 'playing wise' benefits will not really benefit u at all.

i just realized - why on earth did i even make an effort to answer that one ? the answer's right in my name ! :P

Uuesti: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By wut - 22-03-2018 22:24

Loyals. I would rather take the ultra small chance on getting a top-tier loyal, than save up 5+ seasons to get a guaranteed subtop-tier player with inflated salary demands.Loyals. I would rather take the ultra small chance on getting a top-tier loyal, than save up 5+ seasons to get a guaranteed subtop-tier player with inflated salary demands.

Uuesti: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By wut - 22-03-2018 22:32

... also with the introduction of achievements, I feel that money in MZ has been inflated so more of an argument for loyals.... also with the introduction of achievements, I feel that money in MZ has been inflated so more of an argument for loyals.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By c_c - 23-03-2018 13:47

[MZ]

Money always and forever!!Money always and forever!!

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By civilu - 26-03-2018 10:55

[RAF]
President

Never thought of it this way but you might actually be right! Instead of you taking a chance with a player, to have the system max it a few balls later, you face the system directly and maybe you get lucky. On the other hand, since my budget is tighter as pair of 1-size-smaller shorts, I have to go for the money this time and take my cahnces next time.

wut wrote:

Loyals. I would rather take the ultra small chance on getting a top-tier loyal, than save up 5+ seasons to get a guaranteed subtop-tier player with inflated salary demands.

Never thought of it this way but you might actually be right! Instead of you taking a chance with a player, to have the system max it a few balls later, you face the system directly and maybe you get lucky.

On the other hand, since my budget is tighter as pair of 1-size-smaller shorts, I have to go for the money this time and take my cahnces next time.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By chucky06 - 26-03-2018 11:24

[AUSNZ]
President

^ I agree with the above too. Usually the maxing are clear and potential is shown with the loyal players. You can usually just discard right then and there with out living with the “hope” of becoming great in 4 seasons as you can with youth.^ I agree with the above too.

Usually the maxing are clear and potential is shown with the loyal players. You can usually just discard right then and there with out living with the “hope” of becoming great in 4 seasons as you can with youth.

Vs: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By jere92 - 05-04-2018 10:15

The day of the lottery is upon us [img]http://mzimage.com/image.php?lang=en&design=1:000000:000000:::&player=Sami%2520Timonen:::21::&atts=10m:6m:2u:0:9m:8m:1u:1u:0:2u:1u:4u:7u&mzv=false[/img] [img]http://mzimage.com/image.php?lang=en&design=1:000000:000000:::&player=Unto%2520Puistola:::21::&atts=9m:7m:8u:1u:2u:2u:1u:6m:0:6m:2u:4u:7u&mzv=false[/img] Gonna keep em both.The day of the lottery is upon us





Gonna keep em both.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By civilu - 05-04-2018 10:17

[RAF]
President

Not very good but not bad either! [:S]Not very good but not bad either!

Vs: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By jere92 - 05-04-2018 10:21

Yeah im still building my team so they are just part of the foundation of my team.Yeah im still building my team so they are just part of the foundation of my team.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By aldebaran - 05-04-2018 13:27

[fpl=205795907] [fpl=205795908] partial on intel for the first one not sure about maxings yet (non CM) a bit off topic: CREW should add some achievements about loyal players ie. a) loyalty over money -> pick loyals instead of money only for tour award b) home town club comes first -> play a game with 10/11 loyal players on the line up c) lower tier of b) -> play with 6 loyals on the line up etc :P

Themis Papakrivas

Age: 46

Periklis Kotoulas

Age: 46

partial on intel for the first one

not sure about maxings yet (non CM)

a bit off topic:
CREW should add some achievements about loyal players
ie.

a) loyalty over money -> pick loyals instead of money only for tour award
b) home town club comes first -> play a game with 10/11 loyal players on the line up
c) lower tier of b) -> play with 6 loyals on the line up
etc

:P

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By hanzinho - 05-04-2018 13:33

[WCE]
President

Both mine had 44 balls in total, and was maxed in everything. Neither had anything past 7 balls. A complete and utter joke. Not even good enough for my weak U21 team.. I gave them the bucket within 5 seconds. I wasn't looking for something amazing, but atleast one player that wasn't absolutely crap. MZ failed to deliver, yet again. I never was good in lottery. I get that maxings are likely to occur, but 44 balls??? [:O] What kind of simulated training did they get? Without a coach? Occasionally injured for 45 days with a broken leg?Both mine had 44 balls in total, and was maxed in everything. Neither had anything past 7 balls. A complete and utter joke. Not even good enough for my weak U21 team.. I gave them the bucket within 5 seconds.

I wasn't looking for something amazing, but atleast one player that wasn't absolutely crap. MZ failed to deliver, yet again. I never was good in lottery.

I get that maxings are likely to occur, but 44 balls??? :O
What kind of simulated training did they get? Without a coach? Occasionally injured for 45 days with a broken leg?

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By aikaik (Crew) - 05-04-2018 13:34

[MZS]
President

[fpl=205793724] [fpl=205793725] Not too good... keep or fire Jospeh?

Joseph Kollberg

Age: 46

Harald Anundsson

Age: 46

Not too good... keep or fire Jospeh?

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By civilu - 05-04-2018 14:07

[RAF]
President

Without maxings it is impossible to make any assesment on the players. I'm quite curious! Two statements from the opposite sides of the park. You sure you ain't having no split personalities? [:P] I would give him a go, starting with ball c.

aldebaran wrote:

... players... achievements...

Without maxings it is impossible to make any assesment on the players. I'm quite curious!

hanzinho wrote:

MZ failed to deliver, yet again. I never was good in lottery.

Two statements from the opposite sides of the park. You sure you ain't having no split personalities?

aikaik wrote:

Not too good... keep or fire Jospeh?

I would give him a go, starting with ball c.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By bestplaymaker2134 - 05-04-2018 14:34

[AUSNZ]

[fpl=205796173] Should I train him in keeping? I'm feeling lucky

Andre Reisz

Age: 46

Should I train him in keeping? I'm feeling lucky

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By bestplaymaker2134 - 05-04-2018 14:35

[AUSNZ]

If I send him to keeping only camp, how long would it take?

bestplaymaker2134 wrote:

Andre Reisz

Age: 46

Should I train him in keeping? I'm feeling lucky

If I send him to keeping only camp, how long would it take?

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By civilu - 05-04-2018 14:53

[RAF]
President

At his age, probably the best you can hope for is two balls in a TC and a max of 3 per season. So, in brief, you would get to 10 (if you get there!) in a minimum of 4 seasons, more likely 5 or even 6! I see he has a salary of 9,2k euro, which would make it 600k euro salaries, plus at least that for TCs in this time. You can find a good keeper for 1M+ euro so I don't know if it's worth the time [u]and the risk[/u]!At his age, probably the best you can hope for is two balls in a TC and a max of 3 per season. So, in brief, you would get to 10 (if you get there!) in a minimum of 4 seasons, more likely 5 or even 6!

I see he has a salary of 9,2k euro, which would make it 600k euro salaries, plus at least that for TCs in this time. You can find a good keeper for 1M+ euro so I don't know if it's worth the time and the risk!

Uuesti: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By wut - 05-04-2018 15:12

[fpl=205794437] [fpl=205794438] Average maxing of 7 with stams being stuck on 6. Go back to where you came from, foul beasts!

Edmund Kansi

Age: 46

Eerik Lekk

Age: 46

Average maxing of 7 with stams being stuck on 6. Go back to where you came from, foul beasts!

Uuesti: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By wut - 05-04-2018 15:16

http://mzplayer.se/?id=0405134999 http://mzplayer.se/?id=0405135372http://mzplayer.se/?id=0405134999
http://mzplayer.se/?id=0405135372

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By darkline - 05-04-2018 15:29

[FLUSA]
President

I go for loyals in hockey and money in football, the few times I choose loyals in football I fired them instantly but in hockey is a different story, I get some good players from time to time and you get 3 loyals, so the chances of getting a good player are better. Anyway, got 3 in hockey, fired 2 and kept one which I sent to TCI go for loyals in hockey and money in football, the few times I choose loyals in football I fired them instantly but in hockey is a different story, I get some good players from time to time and you get 3 loyals, so the chances of getting a good player are better.

Anyway, got 3 in hockey, fired 2 and kept one which I sent to TC

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By lespritdutheatre - 05-04-2018 17:26

[F.F.M.]

[fpl=204926210][fpl= 205793915][fpl= 205793916]

Thommy Maertens

Age: 47

Andries Staes

Age: 46

Arnout Morreels

Age: 46

Απ: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By tolis-dr - 05-04-2018 17:35

[DS]

[b][color=green]Lucky day :[/color][/b] [fpl=205795909] [color=red]&[/color] [fpl=204058919] [fpl=204871501]Lucky day :

Stamatis Tsachalis

Age: 46 (Retired)

&

Pantelis Gerokostas

Age: 48 (Retired)

Kosmas Nikolakoglou

Age: 47 (Retired)

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By hanzinho - 05-04-2018 18:37

[WCE]
President

I am not sure of anything, except that loyals are going to be utter crap. Hence my split personality disorder, because one of them always thinks loyals are going to be amazing.

civilu wrote:

Two statements from the opposite sides of the park. You sure you ain't having no split personalities? :P

I am not sure of anything, except that loyals are going to be utter crap. Hence my split personality disorder, because one of them always thinks loyals are going to be amazing.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By bestplaymaker2134 - 06-04-2018 03:54

[AUSNZ]

You can't find a 10 stam 9 PI keeper for that much. Stuff it I'm taking the risk. I just sold up, 1 mil doesn't seem that much especially since it over the span of a few seasons.

civilu wrote:

At his age, probably the best you can hope for is two balls in a TC and a max of 3 per season. So, in brief, you would get to 10 (if you get there!) in a minimum of 4 seasons, more likely 5 or even 6!

I see he has a salary of 9,2k euro, which would make it 600k euro salaries, plus at least that for TCs in this time. You can find a good keeper for 1M+ euro so I don't know if it's worth the time and the risk!

You can't find a 10 stam 9 PI keeper for that much. Stuff it I'm taking the risk. I just sold up, 1 mil doesn't seem that much especially since it over the span of a few seasons.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By dzso1 - 06-04-2018 06:38

[XA-FED]

I tried loyals for 2 occasions when they were introduced but always got relatively useless players with some early maxings, so switched to money ever since.I tried loyals for 2 occasions when they were introduced but always got relatively useless players with some early maxings, so switched to money ever since.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By civilu - 06-04-2018 14:13

[RAF]
President

To be honest, I would do the same! :)

bestplaymaker2134 wrote:

You can't find a 10 stam 9 PI keeper for that much. Stuff it I'm taking the risk. I just sold up, 1 mil doesn't seem that much especially since it over the span of a few seasons.

To be honest, I would do the same! :)

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By scruttino - 07-04-2018 04:25

[AUSNZ]

I've chosen loyal players the last couple of times to help fill out my senior teams bench with better players. Got some hopefully backups out of it. [fpl=204938833][fpl=204938834][fpl=205797012]I've chosen loyal players the last couple of times to help fill out my senior teams bench with better players. Got some hopefully backups out of it.

Kent Quinn

Age: 47

Aaron Dearn

Age: 47

Clifford Lascelles

Age: 46

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By aldebaran - 25-06-2018 23:48

[fpl=206636363] [fpl=206636364] Something tells me they're maxed on those 6's

Fanis Karousis

Age: 45

Fondas Poulianitis

Age: 45

Something tells me they're maxed on those 6's

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By darkline - 26-06-2018 08:11

[FLUSA]
President

I just got this two from the world cup challenge [fpl=206636499] [fpl=206636500] Maxed at stamina [:$] , cant make up my mind if I should fire them now or use them for my U23 team and fire them when they turn 24I just got this two from the world cup challenge

Freddy Aguilera

Age: 45

Ferdinand Brannon

Age: 45

Maxed at stamina :$ , cant make up my mind if I should fire them now or use them for my U23 team and fire them when they turn 24

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By ivorylegend - 26-06-2018 10:12

[MZ UKI]

Are there any limitations on loyal players, with regards to how many you have had previously etc? Just last time I selected loyal players as a reward, none ever came through..Are there any limitations on loyal players, with regards to how many you have had previously etc?

Just last time I selected loyal players as a reward, none ever came through..

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By aldebaran - 26-06-2018 10:18

@ivorylegend all limitations on loyal players have been lifted some seasons ago you can have as many as you want@ivorylegend

all limitations on loyal players have been lifted some seasons ago
you can have as many as you want

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By ivorylegend - 26-06-2018 10:32

[MZ UKI]

It might have been seasons ago that I last had them to be honest! Typical two came through this morning! Both absolutely awful, both sacked already.It might have been seasons ago that I last had them to be honest!

Typical two came through this morning!

Both absolutely awful, both sacked already.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By zalitamor - 26-06-2018 22:37

I will choose the two players, the transfer market in Egypt gives me no other choiceI will choose the two players, the transfer market in Egypt gives me no other choice

Beantwortet: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By grosssieb - 27-06-2018 08:48

[AFB]

I choose money, simple calculation I have gotten so far ~8 loyal players only one was good. On the other hand every time I take the money I get additional 300.000€ 8*300.000€ = 2.4 Mio € and for 2.4 Mio € I can buy an top U23 player.I choose money,
simple calculation
I have gotten so far ~8 loyal players only one was good.
On the other hand every time I take the money I get additional 300.000€
8*300.000€ = 2.4 Mio €
and for 2.4 Mio € I can buy an top U23 player.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By aldebaran - 27-06-2018 15:30

loyals are not meant to be top tier or super star players and like almost everything in MZ, they are subject of the RNGodsloyals are not meant to be top tier or super star players
and like almost everything in MZ, they are subject of the RNGods

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By vmalmeida - 28-06-2018 19:08

MoneyMoney

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By killerbeeez (NC) - 02-07-2018 16:02

[BET]

Money. Loyals don't make sense unless you're a given a 70-80% chance of landing a national team quality player. Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Why would anyone ever pick loyals when you could land average to very very bad players you can't even sell when you could have had another 300k to balance the books before the start of a new season. That money adds up.Money. Loyals don't make sense unless you're a given a 70-80% chance of landing a national team quality player. Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Why would anyone ever pick loyals when you could land average to very very bad players you can't even sell when you could have had another 300k to balance the books before the start of a new season. That money adds up.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By evosa - 02-07-2018 17:02

[LEGEND]

Loyal players are not meant to be superstars, some still are unfortunately but as I see it..they are suppose to help new teams, U-teams and small community teams to fill the gaps in team! And thats it!

killerbeeez wrote:

Money. Loyals don't make sense unless you're a given a 70-80% chance of landing a national team quality player. Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Why would anyone ever pick loyals when you could land average to very very bad players you can't even sell when you could have had another 300k to balance the books before the start of a new season. That money adds up.

Loyal players are not meant to be superstars, some still are unfortunately but as I see it..they are suppose to help new teams, U-teams and small community teams to fill the gaps in team! And thats it!

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By aemi - 02-07-2018 21:28

[Canada]

Chicks. Oh sorry, I thought that was an option too. You guys pick loyals. More money for us.Chicks. Oh sorry, I thought that was an option too.

You guys pick loyals. More money for us.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By antas (RA) - 07-07-2018 19:11

[CZESVK]

http://mzplayer.se/?id=0707171726 I prefer loyal players.http://mzplayer.se/?id=0707171726

I prefer loyal players.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By aldebaran - 07-07-2018 19:22

these are from the WC level20 bonus (I chose the 600k from the tournament bonus): [fpl=206694292] maxed speed/stamina/passing (so far) [fpl=206694291] maxed [u]only[/u] in headingthese are from the WC level20 bonus (I chose the 600k from the tournament bonus):

Thodoris Seremetiadis

Age: 45

maxed speed/stamina/passing (so far)

Alkis Zablakos

Age: 45

maxed only in heading

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By tree_amigos - 14-07-2018 16:02

[MZUSA]
President

I just picked up and fired my loyal players from the World Cup competition. Waited til today because I didn't want to pay salary for last week if I did decide to keep any of them. I think my biggest problem with loyals is that they usually come (at least so far in my experience) maxed in speed and stamina and one of those is usually at a level where most teams would not have kept them past the youth level. All four of the players had one of those skills maxed at a 6 or 7. My current 21 year olds are all better than that with lower salaries, so didn't see any reason to keep them. Plus rather than being trained in useful ways - two seemed to have focused on aerial passing at the expense of anything else.I just picked up and fired my loyal players from the World Cup competition. Waited til today because I didn't want to pay salary for last week if I did decide to keep any of them. I think my biggest problem with loyals is that they usually come (at least so far in my experience) maxed in speed and stamina and one of those is usually at a level where most teams would not have kept them past the youth level.

All four of the players had one of those skills maxed at a 6 or 7. My current 21 year olds are all better than that with lower salaries, so didn't see any reason to keep them. Plus rather than being trained in useful ways - two seemed to have focused on aerial passing at the expense of anything else.

Re: Money vs Loyals - what & why?

By civilu - 18-07-2018 23:19

[RAF]
President

I never thought I would live the day but out of 6 loyals received as prize in the WC predictions competition, I could have kept two. However, I decided to keep only 1, but only because I am not playing competitive anymore: [fpl=206709799]. I'm curious how he develops...I never thought I would live the day but out of 6 loyals received as prize in the WC predictions competition, I could have kept two. However, I decided to keep only 1, but only because I am not playing competitive anymore:

Laurențiu Bacalbașa

Age: 45

.

I'm curious how he develops...

 

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