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Change in cup play-offs, CL & Top teams cups and add free "FA" C

By lebanon21 - 17-11-2017 16:56

Hi, I wanted to drop a few suggestions. Not sure if they were already presented on the forums before. I think some of them were, but I’d like to show them all together in one place, because all of them combined make more sense. Just to point out, please read until the end, because some ideas are based on another ideas and they make a bigger picture. I believe that those changes will bring more realism to the game. Thing to note: those ideas can’t bring any more Power Token sales, unless some crazy ideas are added. Those changes will only bring more realism and competition inside the game. [b]1. Home & Away games in Cup Play-offs.[/b] I think it’s a very obvious thing to add. We all know that SIM can be good or cruel, so advancing to next round based on 1 game can be random. Good managers will be able to adjust second game tactic’s, depending on the first game result (maybe you want to play super-defensive if you have a 2:0 advantage from first game? Or maybe you need to play more aggressive in the second game?). Also, you will need a bit bigger roster if you want to switch tactics. From what I read in forums, there is no “home game” advantage, but still, in real football, in Champions League for example , there are H&A games in play off stage. [b]2.Changes in Domestic Cups - a real Domestic Cup[/b] If you look at real football life, few countries keep the idea of “League Cup” ( England, France, I can think of). But in every country there is a domestic cup. Right now I can see that we have “Division Cups”, which are cups exclusive to limited group of teams - in big countries there are cups like Division 4 (only teams from div4 from 1 country) or in case of smaller countries, there are linked with other countries - for example Division Cup - International, which is opened to over 25 countries. We also have National Cups and the winners of those can play in Cup Winners Cup. Those are paids Cup, ok keep it this way, I understand you need to make money to keep servers up and running, I have nothing against it. But please add a “real” domestic cup. By this, I mean a cup in which all teams from a single country, will participate for free and will play at least 1 game. Benefits? - You add another competition type for free, to your basic free offer - It is prestigious and awards official country Cup Winner reward - It will work with the re-worked Champions League and Top Teams cups (explained in next paragraphs) Right now the only “free” basic model is Senior leagues. All 3 youth leagues, additional cups and world league are paid, which is fine. Now how would Domestic Cups work? The way I see it, on Day 1 of a new season, you take a list of all active teams in a given country. Based on this, you calculate how many play-off rounds there should be. In this cup, 1 game is ok, no need for H&A. For example if you have 100 active teams in a country, you need 7 rounds (Final, Semi, Quarter, 1/8th, 1/16th , 1/32nd, 1/64th) 1/64th holds 128 participating teams, so enough for 100 active teams. In this case, in 1/64th round, 72 teams will play a game (36 advance), 28 will get a free pass. In Next round we have 28+36 = 64, so we can play a full round “1/32nd” and onwards it's 1/16th, 1/8th, Quarter final, semi final and final. In case of biggest countries, 18 rounds can accommodate 262144 teams, so I think this is enough for any country. Another important thing, once we know how many rounds need to be played, is that we set the Final game of the Cup, on 87th day of the season. Note that on 88td day players retire, so it’s fair if the final takes place before some players retire. It also means that all cup finals in all countries will be played on the same day. Once we know the date of the final, we can adjust the other days. 3 days between games sounds ok in my opinion, (18 rounds x 3 days between rounds is still enough to fit into 87 days of a season) but we can set it to 4 days possibly. So then just draw the pairs of the cup and let it run. If the country has like 8 active teams, then their domestic cup will start from a Quarter Final round on day 81. Semi-finals on day 84. Final on day 87, assuming we go along with the 3 days between each round. [b]3.Champions League & Top Teams Cup changes[/b] Right now the seeding system is quite straight forward. Country Champions play in Champions League #2 and #3 from Top League play in Top Teams Cup Well, this is not the worst system. It goes back to the original idea of “Champions League” where only champions played, until it became more of business. I think it can be expanded in MZ though. There are 100 countries and 100 teams participate in Champions League. Increase the number of participants to 128. The additional 28 spots will be reserved for teams that either win domestic cup or finish 2nd or 3rd n the top countries( according to the ranking explained below). Example: top 5 strongest countries get 3 seeds in CL (League Champion, Cup Winner, 2nd league team - if cup winner is also 1st or 2nd best league team ,then the 3rd league team will play in CL) Countries from positions 6 - 23 in country ranking get 2 seeds (League champion and domestic cup winner, or 2nd team in league if the champion and cup winner is the same team). So on top of the regular 100 teams (champions in each country) we have additional 10 teams from top 5 strongest countries, and additional 18 teams from other strong countries. In case of Top Teams Cup -> all Domestic cup winners from countries that are lower in the country rankings (24th to 100th ranking). Plus teams from 2nd or 3rd league position. At this point it depends how many teams we want in Top Teams Cup. There are 196 teams in this season's edition. We can expand to 256 (to make 64 groups of 4 teams). It's not a big increase, but all Domestic Cup winners from lower ranked countries plus 1-2 teams based on the League position can play. [b]4. Country ranking[/b] Now what I mean by “top 5” or ranked “6 to 23” countries: introduce a national co-efficient ranking. But not what we have right now under “National Ranking”, where you just sum the ranking points of top 100 teams in each country. I am talking about a real co-efficient ranking. Based on the performance of the teams in Champions League and Top Teams Cup in the last 5 seasons. Just like in real world, each team also gathers points for their country and based on this, the country gets X numbers of seeds in the cups. Like 3 English teams are guaranteed to play in Champions League. 4th team needs to play in qualifications. Champion of Lichtenstein plays in the qualifications from round 1. Just to make it fair, the co-efficient ranking should be based on averages of points gathered by the teams, not sums (because top countries that have 3+ teams playing will obviously have better chance to get more points then, so making it as average seems fair). It also lets medium or small countries, that have 1 really good team, to gain a good amount of points and fight to get additional seed for the country in the upcoming cups.Hi,
I wanted to drop a few suggestions. Not sure if they were already presented on the forums before. I think some of them were, but I’d like to show them all together in one place, because all of them combined make more sense.

Just to point out, please read until the end, because some ideas are based on another ideas and they make a bigger picture.

I believe that those changes will bring more realism to the game.
Thing to note: those ideas can’t bring any more Power Token sales, unless some crazy ideas are added. Those changes will only bring more realism and competition inside the game.


1. Home & Away games in Cup Play-offs.
I think it’s a very obvious thing to add. We all know that SIM can be good or cruel, so advancing to next round based on 1 game can be random. Good managers will be able to adjust second game tactic’s, depending on the first game result (maybe you want to play super-defensive if you have a 2:0 advantage from first game? Or maybe you need to play more aggressive in the second game?). Also, you will need a bit bigger roster if you want to switch tactics. From what I read in forums, there is no “home game” advantage, but still, in real football, in Champions League for example , there are H&A games in play off stage.


2.Changes in Domestic Cups - a real Domestic Cup
If you look at real football life, few countries keep the idea of “League Cup” ( England, France, I can think of). But in every country there is a domestic cup.
Right now I can see that we have “Division Cups”, which are cups exclusive to limited group of teams - in big countries there are cups like Division 4 (only teams from div4 from 1 country) or in case of smaller countries, there are linked with other countries - for example Division Cup - International, which is opened to over 25 countries.
We also have National Cups and the winners of those can play in Cup Winners Cup.
Those are paids Cup, ok keep it this way, I understand you need to make money to keep servers up and running, I have nothing against it.
But please add a “real” domestic cup. By this, I mean a cup in which all teams from a single country, will participate for free and will play at least 1 game.
Benefits?
- You add another competition type for free, to your basic free offer
- It is prestigious and awards official country Cup Winner reward
- It will work with the re-worked Champions League and Top Teams cups (explained in next paragraphs)

Right now the only “free” basic model is Senior leagues. All 3 youth leagues, additional cups and world league are paid, which is fine.

Now how would Domestic Cups work? The way I see it, on Day 1 of a new season, you take a list of all active teams in a given country. Based on this, you calculate how many play-off rounds there should be. In this cup, 1 game is ok, no need for H&A.

For example if you have 100 active teams in a country, you need 7 rounds (Final, Semi, Quarter, 1/8th, 1/16th , 1/32nd, 1/64th) 1/64th holds 128 participating teams, so enough for 100 active teams. In this case, in 1/64th round, 72 teams will play a game (36 advance), 28 will get a free pass. In Next round we have 28+36 = 64, so we can play a full round “1/32nd” and onwards it's 1/16th, 1/8th, Quarter final, semi final and final.

In case of biggest countries, 18 rounds can accommodate 262144 teams, so I think this is enough for any country.

Another important thing, once we know how many rounds need to be played, is that we set the Final game of the Cup, on 87th day of the season. Note that on 88td day players retire, so it’s fair if the final takes place before some players retire. It also means that all cup finals in all countries will be played on the same day.

Once we know the date of the final, we can adjust the other days. 3 days between games sounds ok in my opinion, (18 rounds x 3 days between rounds is still enough to fit into 87 days of a season) but we can set it to 4 days possibly.

So then just draw the pairs of the cup and let it run.
If the country has like 8 active teams, then their domestic cup will start from a Quarter Final round on day 81. Semi-finals on day 84. Final on day 87, assuming we go along with the 3 days between each round.




3.Champions League & Top Teams Cup changes
Right now the seeding system is quite straight forward.
Country Champions play in Champions League
#2 and #3 from Top League play in Top Teams Cup

Well, this is not the worst system. It goes back to the original idea of “Champions League” where only champions played, until it became more of business.

I think it can be expanded in MZ though.
There are 100 countries and 100 teams participate in Champions League.
Increase the number of participants to 128.
The additional 28 spots will be reserved for teams that either win domestic cup or finish 2nd or 3rd n the top countries( according to the ranking explained below).
Example: top 5 strongest countries get 3 seeds in CL (League Champion, Cup Winner, 2nd league team - if cup winner is also 1st or 2nd best league team ,then the 3rd league team will play in CL)
Countries from positions 6 - 23 in country ranking get 2 seeds (League champion and domestic cup winner, or 2nd team in league if the champion and cup winner is the same team).

So on top of the regular 100 teams (champions in each country) we have additional 10 teams from top 5 strongest countries, and additional 18 teams from other strong countries.


In case of Top Teams Cup -> all Domestic cup winners from countries that are lower in the country rankings (24th to 100th ranking). Plus teams from 2nd or 3rd league position. At this point it depends how many teams we want in Top Teams Cup. There are 196 teams in this season's edition. We can expand to 256 (to make 64 groups of 4 teams). It's not a big increase, but all Domestic Cup winners from lower ranked countries plus 1-2 teams based on the League position can play.


4. Country ranking
Now what I mean by “top 5” or ranked “6 to 23” countries: introduce a national co-efficient ranking. But not what we have right now under “National Ranking”, where you just sum the ranking points of top 100 teams in each country.

I am talking about a real co-efficient ranking. Based on the performance of the teams in Champions League and Top Teams Cup in the last 5 seasons. Just like in real world, each team also gathers points for their country and based on this, the country gets X numbers of seeds in the cups. Like 3 English teams are guaranteed to play in Champions League. 4th team needs to play in qualifications. Champion of Lichtenstein plays in the qualifications from round 1.

Just to make it fair, the co-efficient ranking should be based on averages of points gathered by the teams, not sums (because top countries that have 3+ teams playing will obviously have better chance to get more points then, so making it as average seems fair). It also lets medium or small countries, that have 1 really good team, to gain a good amount of points and fight to get additional seed for the country in the upcoming cups.

 

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Re: Change in cup play-offs, CL & Top teams cups and add free "F

By theloyalone - 17-11-2017 17:32

''1. Home & Away games in Cup Play-offs. I think it’s a very obvious thing to add. We all know that SIM can be good or cruel, so advancing to next round based on 1 game can be random. Good managers will be able to adjust second game tactic’s, depending on the first game result (maybe you want to play super-defensive if you have a 2:0 advantage from first game? Or maybe you need to play more aggressive in the second game?). Also, you will need a bit bigger roster if you want to switch tactics. From what I read in forums, there is no “home game” advantage, but still, in real football, in Champions League for example , there are H&A games in play off stage. '' first of all, great effort :) really appreciated (u taking the time to write all this and try and help improve the game) :) i'm low on time, so i havent read the whole thing, and neither have the time to. but i'll surely agree on the above 'pasted' text. i really really think that should be introduced. it will make the game a lot more interesting, especially the NT matches. will add lots of suspense and excitement and 'interesting' stuff (especially to the second leg). aldebaran, what do u think about this now ? :P''1. Home & Away games in Cup Play-offs.
I think it’s a very obvious thing to add. We all know that SIM can be good or cruel, so advancing to next round based on 1 game can be random. Good managers will be able to adjust second game tactic’s, depending on the first game result (maybe you want to play super-defensive if you have a 2:0 advantage from first game? Or maybe you need to play more aggressive in the second game?). Also, you will need a bit bigger roster if you want to switch tactics. From what I read in forums, there is no “home game” advantage, but still, in real football, in Champions League for example , there are H&A games in play off stage.
''


first of all, great effort :) really appreciated (u taking the time to write all this and try and help improve the game) :) i'm low on time, so i havent read the whole thing, and neither have the time to. but i'll surely agree on the above 'pasted' text. i really really think that should be introduced. it will make the game a lot more interesting, especially the NT matches. will add lots of suspense and excitement and 'interesting' stuff (especially to the second leg). aldebaran, what do u think about this now ? :P

Re: Change in cup play-offs, CL & Top teams cups and add free "F

By evosa - 17-11-2017 17:35

[LEGEND]

Yes I think its much needed. At least for domestic competitions! Every community gets free cup once every year so I dont see reason to add another. which is right! Adds value to winning the community free cup! in Estonia for example its called "Eesti Tasuta Karikas" and every estonian manager desires to win it because its held once a year! [:P] You are half right here - if national cup winner is lets say champion,second, or third team in senior top league than top teams cup place is given to 4th in league. Thats how I got to play in there. [:P] And national cup winner(or runner-up if national cup winner is also top league winner) gets to play in Cup Winners Cup But I like the current system - there is a reason why Champions Cup is called [u]champions[/u] cup. Not sure but I think they are planning to change country ranking in future. Not sure how or even it is on table still. But better system is needed to calculate country rankings

lebanon21 wrote:

1. Home & Away games in Cup Play-offs.
I think it’s a very obvious thing to add. We all know that SIM can be good or cruel, so advancing to next round based on 1 game can be random. Good managers will be able to adjust second game tactic’s, depending on the first game result (maybe you want to play super-defensive if you have a 2:0 advantage from first game? Or maybe you need to play more aggressive in the second game?). Also, you will need a bit bigger roster if you want to switch tactics. From what I read in forums, there is no “home game” advantage, but still, in real football, in Champions League for example , there are H&A games in play off stage.

Yes I think its much needed. At least for domestic competitions!

lebanon21 wrote:

2.Changes in Domestic Cups - a real Domestic Cup

Every community gets free cup once every year so I dont see reason to add another. which is right! Adds value to winning the community free cup! in Estonia for example its called "Eesti Tasuta Karikas" and every estonian manager desires to win it because its held once a year!

lebanon21 wrote:

3.Champions League & Top Teams Cup changes
Right now the seeding system is quite straight forward.
Country Champions play in Champions League
#2 and #3 from Top League play in Top Teams Cup

You are half right here - if national cup winner is lets say champion,second, or third team in senior top league than top teams cup place is given to 4th in league. Thats how I got to play in there.
And national cup winner(or runner-up if national cup winner is also top league winner) gets to play in Cup Winners Cup

But I like the current system - there is a reason why Champions Cup is called champions cup.

lebanon21 wrote:

4. Country ranking
Now what I mean by “top 5” or ranked “6 to 23” countries: introduce a national co-efficient ranking. But not what we have right now under “National Ranking”, where you just sum the ranking points of top 100 teams in each country.

I am talking about a real co-efficient ranking. Based on the performance of the teams in Champions League and Top Teams Cup in the last 5 seasons. Just like in real world, each team also gathers points for their country and based on this, the country gets X numbers of seeds in the cups. Like 3 English teams are guaranteed to play in Champions League. 4th team needs to play in qualifications. Champion of Lichtenstein plays in the qualifications from round 1.

Just to make it fair, the co-efficient ranking should be based on averages of points gathered by the teams, not sums (because top countries that have 3+ teams playing will obviously have better chance to get more points then, so making it as average seems fair). It also lets medium or small countries, that have 1 really good team, to gain a good amount of points and fight to get additional seed for the country in the upcoming cups.

Not sure but I think they are planning to change country ranking in future. Not sure how or even it is on table still. But better system is needed to calculate country rankings

Re: Change in cup play-offs, CL & Top teams cups and add free "F

By lebanon21 - 17-11-2017 17:38

I dont think I have this type of free cup. Lebanon is too small country to have its own country cup, we play in the "international" version, so I have a different perspective. Also, your Estonian cup is once a year, or once per season? Cause it's a difference.

evosa wrote:

Every community gets free cup once every year so I dont see reason to add another. which is right! Adds value to winning the community free cup! in Estonia for example its called "Eesti Tasuta Karikas" and every estonian manager desires to win it because its held once a year!

I dont think I have this type of free cup. Lebanon is too small country to have its own country cup, we play in the "international" version, so I have a different perspective.
Also, your Estonian cup is once a year, or once per season? Cause it's a difference.

Re: Change in cup play-offs, CL & Top teams cups and add free "F

By evosa - 17-11-2017 18:26

[LEGEND]

Once a year. And thats the way I like it! cuz like a said - adds more value to cup because you can try winning it once in a 4 season period!

lebanon21 wrote:

I dont think I have this type of free cup. Lebanon is too small country to have its own country cup, we play in the "international" version, so I have a different perspective.
Also, your Estonian cup is once a year, or once per season? Cause it's a difference.

Once a year. And thats the way I like it! cuz like a said - adds more value to cup because you can try winning it once in a 4 season period!

Re: Change in cup play-offs, CL & Top teams cups and add free "F

By aldebaran - 17-11-2017 18:57

@theloyalone no need for home&away after the group stage we live in the "Fast and Furious" mobile era...I want to be done with any cups I'm playing ASAP the double matches during the group stage are also enough for the minor teams to get enough cup action and be satisfied as for the domestic cup, there's need to be one free per season and not every 4 years, even if it doesn't offer any financial prizes or higher competition free entry spots...simply because it helps the local community become more active and can seriously become a tool for promoting MZ (at least it can be another reason to make people think twice before going mental and quit MZ for good)@theloyalone

no need for home&away after the group stage
we live in the "Fast and Furious" mobile era...I want to be done with any cups I'm playing ASAP

the double matches during the group stage are also enough for the minor teams to get enough cup action and be satisfied

as for the domestic cup, there's need to be one free per season and not every 4 years, even if it doesn't offer any financial prizes or higher competition free entry spots...simply because it helps the local community become more active and can seriously become a tool for promoting MZ (at least it can be another reason to make people think twice before going mental and quit MZ for good)

Re: Change in cup play-offs, CL & Top teams cups and add free "F

By aldebaran - 17-11-2017 18:58

*4 seasons (and not 4 years)*4 seasons (and not 4 years)

Re: Change in cup play-offs, CL & Top teams cups and add free "F

By azkaban-za - 18-11-2017 17:07

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