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Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By paachibrtta - 16-10-2012 23:46

who is the best soccer player in the World?who is the best soccer player in the World?

 

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By radu1204 (LA) - 17-10-2012 01:45

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In my opinion it's like this. If we don't count Cristiano Ronaldo, then the best one is clearly Messi. If we take CR7 into account, then it's still Messi.In my opinion it's like this. If we don't count Cristiano Ronaldo, then the best one is clearly Messi. If we take CR7 into account, then it's still Messi.

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By rockstarroberts - 17-10-2012 02:12

well, messi has to be in the box to score, but a magician with the ball, so i dont knowwell, messi has to be in the box to score, but a magician with the ball, so i dont know

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By overthetop3 - 17-10-2012 03:23

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No love for RVP?No love for RVP?

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By kingjaime - 17-10-2012 03:38

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Messi. I think he has a moderate edge in terms of overall talent, and a definite edge in terms of temperament/attitude and teamwork. No-one is closer to him than Ronaldo though and although I don't like "CR7" temperament/attitude, I do feel he's unlucky to be playing in the same era, because he is a phenomenally talented player... just not as good as Messi.Messi. I think he has a moderate edge in terms of overall talent, and a definite edge in terms of temperament/attitude and teamwork. No-one is closer to him than Ronaldo though and although I don't like "CR7" temperament/attitude, I do feel he's unlucky to be playing in the same era, because he is a phenomenally talented player... just not as good as Messi.

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By nqn - 17-10-2012 09:29

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messi sin duda es el mejor jugador del mundo y el mejor de la historia fue maradona a lionel le faltaria ganar un mundiar para poder comparar con diego graciasmessi sin duda es el mejor jugador del mundo y el mejor de la historia fue maradona a lionel le faltaria ganar un mundiar para poder comparar con diego gracias

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By radu1204 (LA) - 17-10-2012 11:22

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Wrong language on this forum.

nqn wrote:

messi sin duda es el mejor jugador del mundo y el mejor de la historia fue maradona a lionel le faltaria ganar un mundiar para poder comparar con diego gracias

Wrong language on this forum.

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By heddo - 17-10-2012 16:34

Ronaldo can turn a game around in a much more dramatic fashion than Messi, Ronaldo has much more all round talent, as a winger, his explosive pace and ball control, his free kicks are better, he can play as a Centre Forward , he is much more of an all round threat. it is Ronaldo every time..Ronaldo can turn a game around in a much more dramatic fashion than Messi, Ronaldo has much more all round talent, as a winger, his explosive pace and ball control, his free kicks are better, he can play as a Centre Forward , he is much more of an all round threat. it is Ronaldo every time..

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By safctillidie - 17-10-2012 22:54

i prefer ronaldo, he is the complete footballer in my opinion, in a sense he has the build, power, speed and technique he just has it all, if he was a better team player he would possibly be the best to have played. messi is magic like, and i know real madrid arent short of quality, but i believe the way the barca team have played together years and years helps messi a lot both are special players. i prefer ronaldo myself, however on footballing ability, i think theyre even. different types of player but both the best at what they do ps. to include ball control as one of ronaldo's talents he has better than messi is ludicrous. messi has the best ball control i have seen in my opinion, just sticks to him.....i prefer ronaldo, he is the complete footballer in my opinion, in a sense he has the build, power, speed and technique he just has it all, if he was a better team player he would possibly be the best to have played.

messi is magic like, and i know real madrid arent short of quality, but i believe the way the barca team have played together years and years helps messi a lot

both are special players. i prefer ronaldo myself, however on footballing ability, i think theyre even. different types of player but both the best at what they do

ps. to include ball control as one of ronaldo's talents he has better than messi is ludicrous. messi has the best ball control i have seen in my opinion, just sticks to him.....

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By bulldogs123 - 17-10-2012 23:50

Messi is the best player in the world, Messi has turned the game on it's head many times scoring goals at the most important times, like at the bernabau against Real Madrid, an away tie in the champions league, what does Messi do? he dribbles around defenders and scores a goal and he scores one later on, when Ronaldo went missing in that game. Messi also in the final against Man utd what a legend, fair to say Messi plays better then Ronaldo when the stakes are high,obviously Messi doesn't always start up when it is counted but boy he does it most of the time that you would forgive him when he does not, it is hard to keep up that kind of world class performance every match. just think of his matches in the finals or games that has the most importance of it you will see Messi is there scoring goals or creating assists and chances.Messi is the best player in the world, Messi has turned the game on it's head many times scoring goals at the most important times, like at the bernabau against Real Madrid, an away tie in the champions league, what does Messi do? he dribbles around defenders and scores a goal and he scores one later on, when Ronaldo went missing in that game. Messi also in the final against Man utd what a legend, fair to say Messi plays better then Ronaldo when the stakes are high,obviously Messi doesn't always start up when it is counted but boy he does it most of the time that you would forgive him when he does not, it is hard to keep up that kind of world class performance every match. just think of his matches in the finals or games that has the most importance of it you will see Messi is there scoring goals or creating assists and chances.

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By bulldogs123 - 17-10-2012 23:52

btw... the game against Real Madrid it was a Semi final I believe so a game away from the final.btw... the game against Real Madrid it was a Semi final I believe so a game away from the final.

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By coldfire01 - 18-10-2012 01:13

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cr7 and messi have different position in field, and also responsibility. As winger cr7 have more area to fill and more responsibility to take, and he done it well. With all other factors, sure cr7 is best, but media always turn to the other side to make this personal rivalry look always interesting.cr7 and messi have different position in field, and also responsibility. As winger cr7 have more area to fill and more responsibility to take, and he done it well. With all other factors, sure cr7 is best, but media always turn to the other side to make this personal rivalry look always interesting.

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By shayno - 18-10-2012 04:29

Both are the best at what they do. Would like to see him leave Barcelona to show how good he is in another league thoughBoth are the best at what they do. Would like to see him leave Barcelona to show how good he is in another league though

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By rockstarroberts - 18-10-2012 05:59

i'll summarize it for you, scores less goals in the premier league, same amount if not more goals in the bundesliga like he does la liga and the same with the other top leagues in the worldi'll summarize it for you, scores less goals in the premier league, same amount if not more goals in the bundesliga like he does la liga and the same with the other top leagues in the world

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By kabaddi21 - 18-10-2012 11:18

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Gareth Bale.Gareth Bale.

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By kingjaime - 18-10-2012 14:09

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I think Messi would thrive anywhere. Barcelona play a system complementary to him, but didn't Santos play a style complementary to Pele? Didn't Napoli mould themselves largely to suit Maradona? This is what happens with the great players. Messi has a lot of talent around him of course, but so does Ronaldo. I think either of them in the Premier League would score less goals, and achieve less assists, but only because the average opposition is stronger. I would still expect either of them to be top scorer and most likely top of assists. Similar story if they went to Serie A. They would likely outscore their games played in Russia, France or Holland. Germany, if they played in the Bundesliga, is a little more doubtful, but again they'd dominate regardless.I think Messi would thrive anywhere. Barcelona play a system complementary to him, but didn't Santos play a style complementary to Pele? Didn't Napoli mould themselves largely to suit Maradona? This is what happens with the great players. Messi has a lot of talent around him of course, but so does Ronaldo. I think either of them in the Premier League would score less goals, and achieve less assists, but only because the average opposition is stronger. I would still expect either of them to be top scorer and most likely top of assists. Similar story if they went to Serie A. They would likely outscore their games played in Russia, France or Holland. Germany, if they played in the Bundesliga, is a little more doubtful, but again they'd dominate regardless.

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By cenneth - 19-10-2012 15:20

Both have their strengths. I prefer Ronaldo, but would say that they're both on the same level.Both have their strengths. I prefer Ronaldo, but would say that they're both on the same level.

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By coldfire01 - 20-10-2012 13:13

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I can't ever think they're the same level. If talking about scoring may be yes, but seem some of messie did are "given" goals such penalties taking. For cr7, he doing all well, scoring and assist, set piece, heading, even defense. May be if they both in MZ, messie have 9-9 balls of speed-stamina and 10-10 shooting and bc, but cr7, have 10-10-10-10 sp-st-sh-bc while having 8-9 in the rest skill, except that I/we never see him playing as keeper. So, if talking about scoring, they are look a like, but talking about who is best [b]must look at all aspect[/b] and sure [u]cr7 have it all[/u].I can't ever think they're the same level. If talking about scoring may be yes, but seem some of messie did are "given" goals such penalties taking. For cr7, he doing all well, scoring and assist, set piece, heading, even defense. May be if they both in MZ, messie have 9-9 balls of speed-stamina and 10-10 shooting and bc, but cr7, have 10-10-10-10 sp-st-sh-bc while having 8-9 in the rest skill, except that I/we never see him playing as keeper.

So, if talking about scoring, they are look a like, but talking about who is best must look at all aspect and sure cr7 have it all.

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By xellu - 21-10-2012 12:12

Ronaldo for me. He is a more complete player than Messi. He is better at free kicks, headers, defending and shooting with his weak foot. He is even more powerful than Messi, and is quicker when it comes to raw speed. While Messi is extremely quick with the ball, there is no denying that Ronaldo is better without it. People keep saying that Messi is better because he scores more goals, but everyone seems to forget that Ronaldo and Messi play in 2 different positions. Messi is a Forward, while Ronaldo is a winger, a midfielder. Therefore, for Ronaldo to almost score as many goals as Messi is much more amazing, as he plays in a much less offensive position.Ronaldo for me. He is a more complete player than Messi. He is better at free kicks, headers, defending and shooting with his weak foot. He is even more powerful than Messi, and is quicker when it comes to raw speed. While Messi is extremely quick with the ball, there is no denying that Ronaldo is better without it.

People keep saying that Messi is better because he scores more goals, but everyone seems to forget that Ronaldo and Messi play in 2 different positions. Messi is a Forward, while Ronaldo is a winger, a midfielder. Therefore, for Ronaldo to almost score as many goals as Messi is much more amazing, as he plays in a much less offensive position.

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By kingjaime - 21-10-2012 14:06

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It's interesting the different takes people can have. I consider them both to be forwards. Whatever position they might be listed on a team sheet, you're going to see them all over the attacking third through the course of a match. It's like Ronaldinho and Thierry Henry. They'd drop back or drift wide at times but it'd be misleading to label either anything but a forward. Ronaldo hasn't been a winger in any sort of traditional sense since about 2006. According to team-sheet, Messi is usually the same sort of "faux winger" when David Villa or Alexis Sanchez is listed as centre forward for Barca. Further, m'lud, as much as I respect Ronaldo's talent, I don't think he has the edge for off-ball movement. He might have the edge for with-ball movement, mind you, because he does have some significant dribbling trickery, in the vein of Ronaldinho. Heading, well there we have to consider that Barca play to feet. I can't recall seeing Messi do anything much wrong heading, although I can recall his excellent headed goal against Van Der Sar all those years back, because need/opportunity to head just so rarely presents itself at Barca. Ronaldo perhaps has more power in his weaker left foot than Messi does in his weaker right, but again I've never seen Messi do anything much wrong, or especially shun a chance to use his right. He is deadly with both. Finally, I think, for now, I think Messi is the better with free-kicks. Ronaldo makes a big pose of lining himself up, like it's some great event, but he isn't really any more accurate or deadly than Messi, imo. I think there are three inescapable edges that Messi has: Temperament (his manner on and off the pitch and his generally always seeming upbeat which contrasts with Ronaldo getting frustrated and looking unhappy at times), team work (his commitment to help harry opponents and defend is way ahead of Ronaldo's) and less reliance on pace. The latter may sound slightly fussy, but my feeling is that Ronaldo's current standards do rely on pace much more than Messi relies on it. He may adapt of course as he gets older, but at the moment I imagine his pace failing and that by his early 30s he won't be the same. By contrast, I can imagine Messi playing to pretty much the same standard as now into his mid-30s.It's interesting the different takes people can have. I consider them both to be forwards. Whatever position they might be listed on a team sheet, you're going to see them all over the attacking third through the course of a match. It's like Ronaldinho and Thierry Henry. They'd drop back or drift wide at times but it'd be misleading to label either anything but a forward. Ronaldo hasn't been a winger in any sort of traditional sense since about 2006. According to team-sheet, Messi is usually the same sort of "faux winger" when David Villa or Alexis Sanchez is listed as centre forward for Barca.

Further, m'lud, as much as I respect Ronaldo's talent, I don't think he has the edge for off-ball movement. He might have the edge for with-ball movement, mind you, because he does have some significant dribbling trickery, in the vein of Ronaldinho. Heading, well there we have to consider that Barca play to feet. I can't recall seeing Messi do anything much wrong heading, although I can recall his excellent headed goal against Van Der Sar all those years back, because need/opportunity to head just so rarely presents itself at Barca. Ronaldo perhaps has more power in his weaker left foot than Messi does in his weaker right, but again I've never seen Messi do anything much wrong, or especially shun a chance to use his right. He is deadly with both. Finally, I think, for now, I think Messi is the better with free-kicks. Ronaldo makes a big pose of lining himself up, like it's some great event, but he isn't really any more accurate or deadly than Messi, imo.

I think there are three inescapable edges that Messi has: Temperament (his manner on and off the pitch and his generally always seeming upbeat which contrasts with Ronaldo getting frustrated and looking unhappy at times), team work (his commitment to help harry opponents and defend is way ahead of Ronaldo's) and less reliance on pace. The latter may sound slightly fussy, but my feeling is that Ronaldo's current standards do rely on pace much more than Messi relies on it. He may adapt of course as he gets older, but at the moment I imagine his pace failing and that by his early 30s he won't be the same. By contrast, I can imagine Messi playing to pretty much the same standard as now into his mid-30s.

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By chelseakid101 - 21-10-2012 14:23

Ronaldo - Best individual player Messi - Best team player I prefer to watch Ronaldo play because he is more skillful and as I play football I use stepovers, flicks etc to get pass players. Messi has amazing acceleration and can effortlessly skip pass players. I think more people like Messi because he is humble and not cocky like RonaldoRonaldo - Best individual player
Messi - Best team player

I prefer to watch Ronaldo play because he is more skillful and as I play football I use stepovers, flicks etc to get pass players. Messi has amazing acceleration and can effortlessly skip pass players.

I think more people like Messi because he is humble and not cocky like Ronaldo

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By tosspot - 24-10-2012 08:18

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Ronaldo scores lots of goals against crappy opponents, Messi I scores more important goals and isn't afraid to pass so someone else can score.Ronaldo scores lots of goals against crappy opponents, Messi I scores more important goals and isn't afraid to pass so someone else can score.

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By chelseakid101 - 24-10-2012 09:05

Someone done a statistic of last season between these two players and it said Ronaldo scored more when the scores were even and Messi scored more when Barcelona had a decent lead. Lets be serious people there is only one person who should win the ballon d'or but he won't win because fifa like Messi and do you think Messi has deserved to win it three times? Well the answer is No because he has robbed the award from people that deserved it more than him like two seasons ago Wesley Sneijder was the best player of the year did he win? And currently Ronaldo is better than Messi but will he win?Someone done a statistic of last season between these two players and it said Ronaldo scored more when the scores were even and Messi scored more when Barcelona had a decent lead.

Lets be serious people there is only one person who should win the ballon d'or but he won't win because fifa like Messi and do you think Messi has deserved to win it three times? Well the answer is No because he has robbed the award from people that deserved it more than him like two seasons ago Wesley Sneijder was the best player of the year did he win? And currently Ronaldo is better than Messi but will he win?

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By coldfire01 - 24-10-2012 12:49

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agree with chelseakid101agree with chelseakid101

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By kabaddi21 - 24-10-2012 13:25

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Here's another stats for you :- Messi --- 77 goals from 304 shots, 27 assists Ronaldo - 64 goals from 400 shots, 16 assists [i][/i] [i]http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/45843/lionel-messi?cc=4716[/i] [i]http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/22774/cristiano-ronaldo?cc=4716[/i] The FIFA Ballon Dor is voted by the captains and managers of all the FIFA nations. Its not always accurate since everyone has their own opinion but to suggest that FIFA has something against Ronaldo [b]LOL[/b].

chelseakid101 wrote:

Someone done a statistic of last season between these two players and it said Ronaldo scored more when the scores were even and Messi scored more when Barcelona had a decent lead.

Lets be serious people there is only one person who should win the ballon d'or but he won't win because fifa like Messi and do you think Messi has deserved to win it three times? Well the answer is No because he has robbed the award from people that deserved it more than him like two seasons ago Wesley Sneijder was the best player of the year did he win? And currently Ronaldo is better than Messi but will he win?

Here's another stats for you :-

Messi --- 77 goals from 304 shots, 27 assists
Ronaldo - 64 goals from 400 shots, 16 assists


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/45843/lionel-messi?cc=4716
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/22774/cristiano-ronaldo?cc=4716

The FIFA Ballon Dor is voted by the captains and managers of all the FIFA nations. Its not always accurate since everyone has their own opinion but to suggest that FIFA has something against Ronaldo LOL.

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By dilson - 12-12-2012 20:37

messi is unanimity in Brazilmessi is unanimity in Brazil

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By dlovato - 12-12-2012 22:10

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Ronaldo is good Messi is better Sabri Sarioglu is the best. cCc Sabri Reyiz cCcRonaldo is good
Messi is better
Sabri Sarioglu is the best.
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By brick64 - 13-12-2012 14:29

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Any one who says ronaldo looking at the old fatefuls ppl used to rely on speed, power height and strength etc.... barcelona , messi as well as a few more i tink have destroyed this idea and reinvented the game thus english teams poor showin at european level these days ..... none more so then man c last 2 years in cl and man u last season in cl and europa shown up and outclassed time and time again by 'lesser' opopents ...everyone talks about the english league being the best united dont have the or ability to keep position long enough to finish anywhere higher than 5th or 6 th in spainAny one who says ronaldo looking at the old fatefuls ppl used to rely on speed, power height and strength etc.... barcelona , messi as well as a few more i tink have destroyed this idea and reinvented the game thus english teams poor showin at european level these days ..... none more so then man c last 2 years in cl and man u last season in cl and europa shown up and outclassed time and time again by 'lesser' opopents ...everyone talks about the english league being the best united dont have the or ability to keep position long enough to finish anywhere higher than 5th or 6 th in spain

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By grinner - 13-12-2012 23:45

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Would be interesting to see them both playing in the same team....Would be interesting to see them both playing in the same team....

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By joelsaunier - 27-12-2012 00:55

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I think its pointless to decide who is better They are both great players, and there is no need to make one winner and one second placer Would be great to make them play togetherI think its pointless to decide who is better
They are both great players, and there is no need to make one winner and one second placer

Would be great to make them play together

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By kabaddi21 - 27-12-2012 16:30

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[b]2012 statistics for club and country[/b] Messi - 91 goals and 23 assists in 69 games. Ronaldo-63 goals and 13 assists in 71 games.2012 statistics for club and country


Messi - 91 goals and 23 assists in 69 games.
Ronaldo-63 goals and 13 assists in 71 games.

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By kevinskyy - 28-12-2012 07:55

Team 1: 1 goalie & 10 Messi's Team 2: 1 goalie (the same one) + 10 C.Ronaldo's I think Team 1 wins, obviously.Team 1: 1 goalie & 10 Messi's

Team 2: 1 goalie (the same one) + 10 C.Ronaldo's


I think Team 1 wins, obviously.

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By bestplaymaker2134 - 28-12-2012 07:58

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both crap, TIM CAHILL FTWboth crap, TIM CAHILL FTW

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By chelseax1 - 28-12-2012 08:23

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Not right to compare. We have seen what ronaldo can do in MU. A grt player also needs a gd side to show his talent. Also have a look at his performance at international level. On the other hand messi is more consistent than ronaldo but plays with players he has been with almost most of his playing carrier. That makes it a lot more easier than what ronaldo has to do. He hasnt done well in international games ?. so futile to compare. If both ronaldo n messi move to a new club ronaldo wld do better.Not right to compare.
We have seen what ronaldo can do in MU. A grt player also needs a gd side to show his talent. Also have a look at his performance at international level.

On the other hand messi is more consistent than ronaldo but plays with players he has been with almost most of his playing carrier. That makes it a lot more easier than what ronaldo has to do. He hasnt done well in international games ?.

so futile to compare.
If both ronaldo n messi move to a new club ronaldo wld do better.

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By kabaddi21 - 28-12-2012 11:36

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Erm.. are you saying Real Madrid are not a great side? Ozil had the highest amount of assists in the world in 2012. Ronaldo has played alongside some of the best talents all his life Rooney, Tevez, Ozil, Benzema, Alonso etc. Laughable statement. You know what? If Downing and Ronaldo moved to Italy Downing will be twice the player that Ronaldo is. And you know its true because there is no way of proving it wrong since this situation will never arise. Ronaldo hasn't exactly won the World Cup either now has he? Oh and by the looks of it Messi might be catching up to Ronaldo in international games as well. Uh oh.. [b]2012/13[/b] International Games Messi - 13 games 14 goals 2 assists 32 shots Ronaldo-13 games 5 goals 2 assists 112 shots

chelseax1 wrote:

Not right to compare.
We have seen what ronaldo can do in MU. A grt player also needs a gd side to show his talent. Also have a look at his performance at international level.

Erm.. are you saying Real Madrid are not a great side? Ozil had the highest amount of assists in the world in 2012. Ronaldo has played alongside some of the best talents all his life Rooney, Tevez, Ozil, Benzema, Alonso etc.

chelseax1 wrote:

If both ronaldo n messi move to a new club ronaldo wld do better.

Laughable statement. You know what? If Downing and Ronaldo moved to Italy Downing will be twice the player that Ronaldo is. And you know its true because there is no way of proving it wrong since this situation will never arise.

chelseax1 wrote:

Also have a look at his performance at international level.

He hasnt done well in international games ?.

Ronaldo hasn't exactly won the World Cup either now has he? Oh and by the looks of it Messi might be catching up to Ronaldo in international games as well. Uh oh..

2012/13

International Games

Messi - 13 games 14 goals 2 assists 32 shots
Ronaldo-13 games 5 goals 2 assists 112 shots

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By chelseax1 - 28-12-2012 19:23

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Erm.. are you saying Real Madrid are not a great side? Ozil had the highest amount of assists in the world in 2012. Ronaldo has played alongside some of the best talents all his life Rooney, Tevez, Ozil, Benzema, Alonso etc. I used to play professional football so said based on experience. Team chemistry sld be given more credit. MU is wat it is because of team chemistry. U have seen their comebacks this season n season after season. Thats team chemistry. No body noticed but they had a very poor squad last season n still managed to give who a tough fight... who bought much better players :). Alex is class manager. have many such examples. Laughable statement. You know what? If Downing and Ronaldo moved to Italy Downing will be twice the player that Ronaldo is. And you know its true because there is no way of proving it wrong since this situation will never arise. he wont because again once ur set in a certain playing style it is very difficult to change it. Messi wont be able for simple reason is he hasnt done it before. it doesnt mean he isnt a gd players. Argentina now try to play around him, he struggled before. Its not always abt stats. ramires goal in CL had way more worth than any goal scored by messi in CL last season. Maradona is not considered the greatest because of his stats which is nothing compared to pele but because he is the only player along with Garrincha to single-handedly help their respective countries win a world cup. ....... In short u cant compare NADAL n ROGER. they both are unique and we sld respect their uniqueness. Ronaldino was the most entertaining modern football star, he is a legend for me n is unique. Wldnt be right to compare his achievement with the above. Stop comparing as there is no right method just enjoy :)Erm.. are you saying Real Madrid are not a great side? Ozil had the highest amount of assists in the world in 2012. Ronaldo has played alongside some of the best talents all his life Rooney, Tevez, Ozil, Benzema, Alonso etc.

I used to play professional football so said based on experience. Team chemistry sld be given more credit. MU is wat it is because of team chemistry. U have seen their comebacks this season n season after season. Thats team chemistry. No body noticed but they had a very poor squad last season n still managed to give who a tough fight... who bought much better players :).
Alex is class manager.
have many such examples.

Laughable statement. You know what? If Downing and Ronaldo moved to Italy Downing will be twice the player that Ronaldo is. And you know its true because there is no way of proving it wrong since this situation will never arise.

he wont because again once ur set in a certain playing style it is very difficult to change it. Messi wont be able for simple reason is he hasnt done it before. it doesnt mean he isnt a gd players. Argentina now try to play around him, he struggled before.
Its not always abt stats. ramires goal in CL had way more worth than any goal scored by messi in CL last season. Maradona is not considered the greatest because of his stats which is nothing compared to pele but because he is the only player along with Garrincha to single-handedly help their respective countries win a world cup.
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In short u cant compare NADAL n ROGER. they both are unique and we sld respect their uniqueness.
Ronaldino was the most entertaining modern football star, he is a legend for me n is unique. Wldnt be right to compare his achievement with the above.
Stop comparing as there is no right method just enjoy :)

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By kabaddi21 - 28-12-2012 21:56

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Yeah i've pretty much grown up playing football too. Yes team chemistry is important but hey don't let that prevent you from taking anything away from Messi. He does far more than score goals or create assists anyway which is invisible to statistics. And i agree Sir Alex is class manager, infact the best for me. Barcelona were very unconvincing at the start of season and Messi has won them games they did not deserve to, the game against Sevilla was a prime example. But i guess you don't watch La Liga and its easy to presume Iniesta and Xavi set up everything for Messi but i don't blame you since the games come late at night. I hate the timings too. [quote] he wont because again once ur set in a certain playing style it is very difficult to change it. Messi wont be able for simple reason is he hasnt done it before. it doesnt mean he isnt a gd players. Argentina now try to play around him, he struggled before. [/quote] So since Messi hasn't changed teams before he will never be able to to? Sound reasoning. I guess Lescot will do much better than Terry at another club since Terry is unproven oustide of Chelsea unlike Lescot. No offense but you have zero evidence and your entire reasoning is based on hypotheticals. Maybe Messi will struggle and flop but that is not a given. [quote] Its not always abt stats.[/quote] I agree its not just about stats which is why it is very clear to see Messi would still be one of the best in the world if he had zero goals. He can drop down dictate play from the midfield, has an eye for a pass and great game intelligence. Something which i think you are disregarding because if you watched the World Cup he had a pretty decent tournament, not great by any standards but he did OK. Hit the post thrice and over half of Argentina's goals came indirectly as a result of his efforts. [quote] Maradona is not considered the greatest because of his stats which is nothing compared to pele but because he is the only player along with Garrincha to single-handedly help their respective countries win a world cup. ....... [/quote] No. That is a myth. Maradona might be the greatest ever but to say he won the title singlehandedly or was a one man team is nothing short of blasphemy. Its a team game and you don't win anything single handedly. 1986 when Argentina won the world cup they had one of the best defense in the tournament, conceded only 5 goals, previous winners Italy conceded 6 goals. He also had Real Madrid top striker Jorge Valdano alongside him. Same was the case with Napoli, one of the best defense in Serie-A conceding only 21 goals in 30 games. They had Italian internationals like Bagni, De Napoli, Giordano, Carnevalein as well as top striker Brazilian international Careca in that team. There is no doubt that Maradona was the crucial element without whom they would not be succesful but to even suggest that he won it singlehandedly is ludicrous and goes against the conventional wisdom that football is a team game and a succesful team is built on sound and solid foundations. Feel free to read further - http://averageopposition.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/the-myth-of-maradona/ [quote] In short u cant compare NADAL n ROGER. they both are unique and we sld respect their uniqueness. Ronaldino was the most entertaining modern football star, he is a legend for me n is unique. Wldnt be right to compare his achievement with the above. Stop comparing as there is no right method just enjoy :)[/quote] I agree both Ronaldo and Messi are different player and we should try to refrain from comparing as much as possible. We can compare their goals tally or whatever since that is something that every player is subjected to. But you are the one who comes up with stuff like Messi would not do better than Ronaldo in a different team like it was a proven fact. No offense bro :) And i agree Ronaldinho was the best entertainer ever. I miss him :(

chelseax1 wrote:

I used to play professional football so said based on experience. Team chemistry sld be given more credit. MU is wat it is because of team chemistry. U have seen their comebacks this season n season after season. Thats team chemistry. No body noticed but they had a very poor squad last season n still managed to give who a tough fight... who bought much better players :).
Alex is class manager.
have many such examples.

Yeah i've pretty much grown up playing football too. Yes team chemistry is important but hey don't let that prevent you from taking anything away from Messi. He does far more than score goals or create assists anyway which is invisible to statistics. And i agree Sir Alex is class manager, infact the best for me.

Barcelona were very unconvincing at the start of season and Messi has won them games they did not deserve to, the game against Sevilla was a prime example. But i guess you don't watch La Liga and its easy to presume Iniesta and Xavi set up everything for Messi but i don't blame you since the games come late at night. I hate the timings too.

[quote]
he wont because again once ur set in a certain playing style it is very difficult to change it. Messi wont be able for simple reason is he hasnt done it before. it doesnt mean he isnt a gd players. Argentina now try to play around him, he struggled before.
[/quote]

So since Messi hasn't changed teams before he will never be able to to? Sound reasoning. I guess Lescot will do much better than Terry at another club since Terry is unproven oustide of Chelsea unlike Lescot. No offense but you have zero evidence and your entire reasoning is based on hypotheticals. Maybe Messi will struggle and flop but that is not a given.

[quote]
Its not always abt stats.[/quote]

I agree its not just about stats which is why it is very clear to see Messi would still be one of the best in the world if he had zero goals. He can drop down dictate play from the midfield, has an eye for a pass and great game intelligence. Something which i think you are disregarding because if you watched the World Cup he had a pretty decent tournament, not great by any standards but he did OK. Hit the post thrice and over half of Argentina's goals came indirectly as a result of his efforts.


[quote] Maradona is not considered the greatest because of his stats which is nothing compared to pele but because he is the only player along with Garrincha to single-handedly help their respective countries win a world cup.
.......
[/quote]

No. That is a myth. Maradona might be the greatest ever but to say he won the title singlehandedly or was a one man team is nothing short of blasphemy. Its a team game and you don't win anything single handedly. 1986 when Argentina won the world cup they had one of the best defense in the tournament, conceded only 5 goals, previous winners Italy conceded 6 goals. He also had Real Madrid top striker Jorge Valdano alongside him. Same was the case with Napoli, one of the best defense in Serie-A conceding only 21 goals in 30 games. They had Italian internationals like Bagni, De Napoli, Giordano, Carnevalein as well as top striker Brazilian international Careca in that team.

There is no doubt that Maradona was the crucial element without whom they would not be succesful but to even suggest that he won it singlehandedly is ludicrous and goes against the conventional wisdom that football is a team game and a succesful team is built on sound and solid foundations.

Feel free to read further - http://averageopposition.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/the-myth-of-maradona/

[quote]
In short u cant compare NADAL n ROGER. they both are unique and we sld respect their uniqueness.
Ronaldino was the most entertaining modern football star, he is a legend for me n is unique. Wldnt be right to compare his achievement with the above.
Stop comparing as there is no right method just enjoy :)[/quote]

I agree both Ronaldo and Messi are different player and we should try to refrain from comparing as much as possible. We can compare their goals tally or whatever since that is something that every player is subjected to. But you are the one who comes up with stuff like Messi would not do better than Ronaldo in a different team like it was a proven fact. No offense bro :)

And i agree Ronaldinho was the best entertainer ever. I miss him :(

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By kabaddi21 - 28-12-2012 21:58

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Oops the quotes didn't come out well lol. Yeah i've pretty much grown up playing football too. Yes team chemistry is important but hey don't let that prevent you from taking anything away from Messi. He does far more than score goals or create assists anyway which is invisible to statistics. And i agree Sir Alex is class manager, infact the best for me. Barcelona were very unconvincing at the start of season and Messi has won them games they did not deserve to, the game against Sevilla was a prime example. But i guess you don't watch La Liga and its easy to presume Iniesta and Xavi set up everything for Messi but i don't blame you since the games come late at night. I hate the timings too. So since Messi hasn't changed teams before he will never be able to to? Sound reasoning. I guess Lescot will do much better than Terry at another club since Terry is unproven oustide of Chelsea unlike Lescot. No offense but you have zero evidence and your entire reasoning is based on hypotheticals. Maybe Messi will struggle and flop but that is not a given. I agree its not just about stats which is why it is very clear to see Messi would still be one of the best in the world if he had zero goals. He can drop down dictate play from the midfield, has an eye for a pass and great game intelligence. Something which i think you are disregarding because if you watched the World Cup he had a pretty decent tournament, not great by any standards but he did OK. Hit the post thrice and over half of Argentina's goals came indirectly as a result of his efforts. No. That is a myth. Maradona might be the greatest ever but to say he won the title singlehandedly or was a one man team is nothing short of blasphemy. Its a team game and you don't win anything single handedly. 1986 when Argentina won the world cup they had one of the best defense in the tournament, conceded only 5 goals, previous winners Italy conceded 6 goals. He also had Real Madrid top striker Jorge Valdano alongside him. Same was the case with Napoli, one of the best defense in Serie-A conceding only 21 goals in 30 games. They had Italian internationals like Bagni, De Napoli, Giordano, Carnevalein as well as top striker Brazilian international Careca in that team. There is no doubt that Maradona was the crucial element without whom they would not be succesful but to even suggest that he won it singlehandedly is ludicrous and goes against the conventional wisdom that football is a team game and a succesful team is built on sound and solid foundations. Feel free to read further - http://averageopposition.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/the-myth-of-maradona/ I agree both Ronaldo and Messi are different player and we should try to refrain from comparing as much as possible. We can compare their goals tally or whatever since that is something that every player is subjected to. But you are the one who comes up with stuff like Messi would not do better than Ronaldo in a different team like it was a proven fact. No offense bro :) And i agree Ronaldinho was the best entertainer ever. I miss him :(Oops the quotes didn't come out well lol.

chelseax1 wrote:

I used to play professional football so said based on experience. Team chemistry sld be given more credit. MU is wat it is because of team chemistry. U have seen their comebacks this season n season after season. Thats team chemistry. No body noticed but they had a very poor squad last season n still managed to give who a tough fight... who bought much better players :).
Alex is class manager.
have many such examples.

Yeah i've pretty much grown up playing football too. Yes team chemistry is important but hey don't let that prevent you from taking anything away from Messi. He does far more than score goals or create assists anyway which is invisible to statistics. And i agree Sir Alex is class manager, infact the best for me.

Barcelona were very unconvincing at the start of season and Messi has won them games they did not deserve to, the game against Sevilla was a prime example. But i guess you don't watch La Liga and its easy to presume Iniesta and Xavi set up everything for Messi but i don't blame you since the games come late at night. I hate the timings too.

chelseax1 wrote:

he wont because again once ur set in a certain playing style it is very difficult to change it. Messi wont be able for simple reason is he hasnt done it before. it doesnt mean he isnt a gd players. Argentina now try to play around him, he struggled before.

So since Messi hasn't changed teams before he will never be able to to? Sound reasoning. I guess Lescot will do much better than Terry at another club since Terry is unproven oustide of Chelsea unlike Lescot. No offense but you have zero evidence and your entire reasoning is based on hypotheticals. Maybe Messi will struggle and flop but that is not a given.

chelseax1 wrote:

Its not always abt stats.

I agree its not just about stats which is why it is very clear to see Messi would still be one of the best in the world if he had zero goals. He can drop down dictate play from the midfield, has an eye for a pass and great game intelligence. Something which i think you are disregarding because if you watched the World Cup he had a pretty decent tournament, not great by any standards but he did OK. Hit the post thrice and over half of Argentina's goals came indirectly as a result of his efforts.

chelseax1 wrote:

Maradona is not considered the greatest because of his stats which is nothing compared to pele but because he is the only player along with Garrincha to single-handedly help their respective countries win a world cup.
.......

No. That is a myth. Maradona might be the greatest ever but to say he won the title singlehandedly or was a one man team is nothing short of blasphemy. Its a team game and you don't win anything single handedly. 1986 when Argentina won the world cup they had one of the best defense in the tournament, conceded only 5 goals, previous winners Italy conceded 6 goals. He also had Real Madrid top striker Jorge Valdano alongside him. Same was the case with Napoli, one of the best defense in Serie-A conceding only 21 goals in 30 games. They had Italian internationals like Bagni, De Napoli, Giordano, Carnevalein as well as top striker Brazilian international Careca in that team.

There is no doubt that Maradona was the crucial element without whom they would not be succesful but to even suggest that he won it singlehandedly is ludicrous and goes against the conventional wisdom that football is a team game and a succesful team is built on sound and solid foundations.

Feel free to read further - http://averageopposition.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/the-myth-of-maradona/

chelseax1 wrote:

In short u cant compare NADAL n ROGER. they both are unique and we sld respect their uniqueness.
Ronaldino was the most entertaining modern football star, he is a legend for me n is unique. Wldnt be right to compare his achievement with the above.
Stop comparing as there is no right method just enjoy :)

I agree both Ronaldo and Messi are different player and we should try to refrain from comparing as much as possible. We can compare their goals tally or whatever since that is something that every player is subjected to. But you are the one who comes up with stuff like Messi would not do better than Ronaldo in a different team like it was a proven fact. No offense bro :)

And i agree Ronaldinho was the best entertainer ever. I miss him :(

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By ra_the_rugged_man - 02-01-2013 18:04

I enjoy more watching Messi than Ronaldo. And it´s not because I´m argentinean, but I like his attitude and his gameplan better.I enjoy more watching Messi than Ronaldo. And it´s not because I´m argentinean, but I like his attitude and his gameplan better.

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By xellu - 03-01-2013 00:07

The player's attitude should not come into this. That is a mistake a lot of people do when they compare these 2 players. Being arrogant or humble shouldn't and mustn't affect one's judgement. It is completely irrelevant.The player's attitude should not come into this. That is a mistake a lot of people do when they compare these 2 players. Being arrogant or humble shouldn't and mustn't affect one's judgement. It is completely irrelevant.

Ant: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By kevinskyy - 03-01-2013 07:27

It's certainly NOT irrelevant. We're talking about the full package here.It's certainly NOT irrelevant. We're talking about the full package here.

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By kingjaime - 03-01-2013 15:53

[BVB]

What kev said.What kev said.

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By xellu - 03-01-2013 23:41

So you're saying that if Messi, who is an incredible footballer btw, was arrogant and shows that he hates to loose, making him look too serious on the pitch, to you he is considered as an average player, or maybe simply a 'good' player, right ? Cause attitude is important. 2 players like Messi and Ronaldo should be considered as the best in the world becasue of their talent and because of what they can and do on the pitch, not because they smile, sulk or are too serious while playing football.So you're saying that if Messi, who is an incredible footballer btw, was arrogant and shows that he hates to loose, making him look too serious on the pitch, to you he is considered as an average player, or maybe simply a 'good' player, right ? Cause attitude is important.

2 players like Messi and Ronaldo should be considered as the best in the world becasue of their talent and because of what they can and do on the pitch, not because they smile, sulk or are too serious while playing football.

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By kingjaime - 04-01-2013 00:37

[BVB]

Personally I think how a player works with others is important. Ronaldo doesn't simply show he hates to lose, he shows frustration with teammates, particularly with Portugal, he sulks and he let's it affect his performance. Less so as he's got older, but it's still there. Similarly, his desire to show off his skill rather than take a better/simpler option has improved as he's got older (compare to when he was in his earlier days with Man Utd), but it's still an issue. On a very simple level: If some of us civilians here dislike his personal conduct, I think it's pretty safe to assume some of his colleagues probably feel the same, and that's got to be some sort of obstacle to the team performing as well as they could. There's a whole ocean of players who hindered or derailed their careers through attitude. Many who couldn't cut it as lower league players or as coaches because they couldn't moderate their frustrations at playing alongside, or coaching, those of inferior abilities. Messi, by contrast, is exemplary. For all his talent, he never expresses arrogance about his own abilities, nor does he physically demonstrate any in how he conducts himself on the pitch (or off it). That, I think, has got to be better for the team and, considering how easy it would be for him to wallow in the adulation he receives, is a credit to him. Foolish would any coach be to disregard the effect attitude has had on the careers off, for example: Ronaldinho, Pato, Denilson (the one born in 1977), Gascoigne, Collymore, Cantona, Effenberg... I like some of these guys, Ronaldinho and Effenberg in particular, and for a time a level of arrogance was a useful tool, but it also caused trouble for them and teammates.Personally I think how a player works with others is important. Ronaldo doesn't simply show he hates to lose, he shows frustration with teammates, particularly with Portugal, he sulks and he let's it affect his performance. Less so as he's got older, but it's still there. Similarly, his desire to show off his skill rather than take a better/simpler option has improved as he's got older (compare to when he was in his earlier days with Man Utd), but it's still an issue. On a very simple level: If some of us civilians here dislike his personal conduct, I think it's pretty safe to assume some of his colleagues probably feel the same, and that's got to be some sort of obstacle to the team performing as well as they could. There's a whole ocean of players who hindered or derailed their careers through attitude. Many who couldn't cut it as lower league players or as coaches because they couldn't moderate their frustrations at playing alongside, or coaching, those of inferior abilities.

Messi, by contrast, is exemplary. For all his talent, he never expresses arrogance about his own abilities, nor does he physically demonstrate any in how he conducts himself on the pitch (or off it). That, I think, has got to be better for the team and, considering how easy it would be for him to wallow in the adulation he receives, is a credit to him.

Foolish would any coach be to disregard the effect attitude has had on the careers off, for example: Ronaldinho, Pato, Denilson (the one born in 1977), Gascoigne, Collymore, Cantona, Effenberg... I like some of these guys, Ronaldinho and Effenberg in particular, and for a time a level of arrogance was a useful tool, but it also caused trouble for them and teammates.

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By kingjaime - 04-01-2013 00:44

[BVB]

Here's an unoriginal thought: What if one or the other of them played for Spain? What if Ronaldo's family had been on holiday in Spain at the time of his birth? What if Messi had taken the very real option of playing for Spain? If one or the other of them had a World Cup and 2 Euros in their trophy cabinet, the discussion would perhaps be settled before it began.Here's an unoriginal thought: What if one or the other of them played for Spain? What if Ronaldo's family had been on holiday in Spain at the time of his birth? What if Messi had taken the very real option of playing for Spain? If one or the other of them had a World Cup and 2 Euros in their trophy cabinet, the discussion would perhaps be settled before it began.

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By gamersrule - 16-02-2013 00:05

[MZ]

lets compare man-utd signing kagawa to chelseas eden hazard, though the media tried their best they couldnt do it effectively, why? coz they both have different styles of play, kagawa has messi style and hazard has of ronaldo, so why compare ronaldo to messi??? so what if their both strikers (although ronaldo plays more in mid) its like saying compare your mum to your dad and who is better... their both your parents... yer but they both have different roles... so does ronaldo to messi and messi to ronaldo TO SUM UP IN ONE SENTENCE: THEY ARE BOTH UNCOMPAREABLE!!!lets compare man-utd signing kagawa to chelseas eden hazard, though the media tried their best they couldnt do it effectively, why? coz they both have different styles of play, kagawa has messi style and hazard has of ronaldo, so why compare ronaldo to messi??? so what if their both strikers (although ronaldo plays more in mid) its like saying compare your mum to your dad and who is better... their both your parents... yer but they both have different roles... so does ronaldo to messi and messi to ronaldo
TO SUM UP IN ONE SENTENCE: THEY ARE BOTH UNCOMPAREABLE!!!

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By safctillidie - 16-02-2013 00:43

Ronaldo is better for me, plays as a winger and scores all them goals, in a team full of goalscoring players (higuain/benzema, di maria, ozil, kaka all players who like to have a shot, whereas messi plays in a passing team who know their roles, and they do all score goals but their primary thought is to feed the striker, not go for glory anyone who calls Ronaldo cr7 needs shootingRonaldo is better for me, plays as a winger and scores all them goals, in a team full of goalscoring players (higuain/benzema, di maria, ozil, kaka all players who like to have a shot, whereas messi plays in a passing team who know their roles, and they do all score goals but their primary thought is to feed the striker, not go for glory

anyone who calls Ronaldo cr7 needs shooting

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By darkline - 16-02-2013 01:14

[FLUSA]
President

There is no comparison, Messi is much better. Also, Messi plays outside of Barcelona, he also plays for Argentina and we can draw some stats from there too.... statistically, Messi playing for Argentina, has a better goal to game ratio than Ronaldo playing for Portugal, and the same also applies for the U20 / U23 NT's of both Countries. Funny enough, until not too long ago many people in Argentina complained that he doesn't play as good for Argentina as he does for Barcelona, but he still managed to outscore Ronaldo playing for his NT.....There is no comparison, Messi is much better. Also, Messi plays outside of Barcelona, he also plays for Argentina and we can draw some stats from there too.... statistically, Messi playing for Argentina, has a better goal to game ratio than Ronaldo playing for Portugal, and the same also applies for the U20 / U23 NT's of both Countries.

Funny enough, until not too long ago many people in Argentina complained that he doesn't play as good for Argentina as he does for Barcelona, but he still managed to outscore Ronaldo playing for his NT.....

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By darkline - 16-02-2013 01:20

[FLUSA]
President

Oh, and don't forget Messi is 25 y/old and Ronaldo is 28 y/old, I would say that Ronaldo is probably at the peak of his career while Messi is at an age in which he should still improve and mature as a player, I think part of the maturity that comes with age and experience is what is making him adapt and play a whole lot better for the Argentinian NT recently.Oh, and don't forget Messi is 25 y/old and Ronaldo is 28 y/old, I would say that Ronaldo is probably at the peak of his career while Messi is at an age in which he should still improve and mature as a player, I think part of the maturity that comes with age and experience is what is making him adapt and play a whole lot better for the Argentinian NT recently.

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By bulldogs123 - 16-02-2013 01:25

Marek Hamšik beats them all!Marek Hamšik beats them all!

Re: Is it CR7? Is it MESSI?

By jossteex - 02-03-2013 18:52

ronaldoronaldo

 

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