Change languageI have spent the last few minutes reading about Japan's woes.
The way I understand it, and there are people who know more about this than myself, I admit;
1/3 of the Japanese Rice crop may be permanently (at least in yours, and your children's, and your children's children, and your.... 15-45 lifetimes, minimum...) out of safe reach, due to the reactor meltdowns and hydrogen explosions at Fukushima.
I, for one, am sorry that this happened in my lifetime, and under my watch as an adult member of the world.
I sincerely hope, that the tough medicine it gave us (that there is no free lunch when it comes to nuclear power. It is, and always will be inherently dangerous.) is taken with more than a bit of humility and sincerity, and that we work to destroy these inherently destructive tools immediately.
This is the only source of power that requires a constant power supply and exchange of coolant, or it risks taking out hundreds of square miles of land, permanently.
Read that again, and ask yourself if such a thing ultimately makes sense? Now, I have no beef with anyone in the industry, I have no care to dismantle or keep the plants, if the above statement can be nullified. As yet, I have not seen such design, ever.
There may be deaths from other sources of power, perhaps on an even more regular basis, but there is nothing that compares to the reality of the loss of hundreds of square miles of arable land for a nation, such as occurred from Pripyat or Fukushima.
May God Keep You Japan, and may God keep the rest of us from furthering this folly.
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Re: Japan's Broken Heart
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rockstarroberts - 10-07-2012 00:03
what if some of us dont believe in God
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apwall21 - 10-07-2012 05:34
"what if some of us dont believe in God"
You'd be in a dry valley, very alone, if you ask me. I'm not sure how the following would reply...
Take your time, there is alot, but this post isn't going to disappear. At least as far as I know...
"I [...] recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins."
Samuel Adams, Signatory of the Declaration of Independence
Last Will and Testament
"I John Hancock, [...] being advanced in years and being of perfect mind and memory-thanks be given to God-therefore calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing it is appointed for all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make and ordain this my last will and testament…Principally and first of all, I give and recommend my soul into the hands of God that gave it: and my body I recommend to the earth [...] nothing doubting but at the general resurrection I shall receive the same again by the mercy and power of God [...]"
John Hancock, Signatory of the Declaration of Independence
Last Will and Testament
"This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.
Patrick Henry (aka. "Give me liberty, or Give me Death!), Governor of Virginia
Last Will and Testament
"My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!"
Benjamin Rush, Signatory of the Declaration of Independence
The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush
"Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity."
John Dickinson, Signatory of the Constitution
Last Will and Testament
"Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. He has been pleased to bless me with excellent parents, with a virtuous wife, and with worthy children. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country; His providence has not only conducted me to this tranquil situation but also given me abundant reason to be contented and thankful. Blessed be His holy name!"
John Jay, 1st Chief Justice- United States Supreme Court
Last Will of John Jay
"In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer [...] of dispossing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer [...]
Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer, Signatory of the Constitution
Last Will of Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
"My hopes of a future life are all founded upon the Gospel of Christ and I cannot cavil or quibble away [...] the whole tenor of His conduct by which He sometimes positively asserted and at others countenances His disciples in asserting that He was God.
John Quincy Adams, 6th US President; Secretary of State; US Ambassador to Russia; US Senator; US Representative
The Selected Writings of John and John Quincy Adams
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see."
Benjamin Franklin, Signatory to the Declaration of Independence; Signatory to the US Constitution; Ambassador to France; Noted Author; Noted Scientist; Noted Map-Maker; Governor of Pennsylvania; Founder of the First Public Lending Library in the US
Works of Benjamin Franklin
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness – these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, "where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?" And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule indeed extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?[/u]
Promote, then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened."1
"[...]to the distinguished character of patriot it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of christian[...]"2
George Washington, 1st President of the United States; Commander of the Continental Army; 1st Signatory to the Constitution of the United States
1.Presidential Farwell Address
2.Speech to Soldiers at Valley Forge
"If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father."1
"Jesus shouted to the crowds, "If you trust me, you are trusting not only me, but also God who sent me. For when you see me, you are seeing the one who sent me. I have come as a light to shine in this dark world, so that all who put their trust in me will no longer remain in the dark."2
Jesus of Nazareth
1-Gospel of St. John 10:38
2-Gospel of St. John 12:44
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grinner - 10-07-2012 23:29Im sorry i thought this thread was about Japan, a country where most of the people would disagree with your second post. (but i dont even want to go near this argument). Religious beliefs are like arseholes, everyones got one, noone wants to see it unless they ask, and most are simply full of shit anyway.
I agree with your sentiments regarding nuclear power though (keeping this thread remotely on track) and have often wondered why the country i live in (one of the hottest nations on earth) has not harnessed the power of the sun more. I understand solar is not as effective as nuclear power $-wise, but im sure if the funding was ploughed into it advances would be made. we also have a desert sitting there doing bugger all.
I like the danish approach to wind farming also, but once again it is cost prohibative.
The real crime is the premium anyone must pay to be able to use any form of renewable energy, and until the future of the planet is promoted as a priority above the profits to be made from people believing so, then we will always be pushing shit uphill.
Here in Aus we have just started paying a 'Carbon Tax', a move which is very unpopular with the majority of the country. This is a shame, as it is about time someone started paying for the replenishment of the enviroment instead of ignoring it for our kids to deal with but it is already a platform for the opposition to scrap if we vote for them, so i think we know where this is going....
As people we are amazing indiviuals, as a race we are the most selfish and thoughtless creatures ever to grace a planet. Im off to buy a Kombi... ;)
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mosmosmos - 10-07-2012 23:53Couldn't care less about religion and hope sense is seen to delete your post by someone.
I actually think that done properly nuclear power is probably be most efficient and cleanest source of energy (atmospherically speaking) that we can develop. (On an Output to Green rating)
Fukashima was a 40? year old plant which comfortably survived a Scale 9 earthquake but was done by a tsunami. Sadly in everything that followed, that fact was ignored and the earthquake was given as much blame in the interests of false propaganda.
What we do with the radioactive waste is another matter entirely. Nuclear is one of the safest you can get nowadays. Tsunamis are probably the only realistic threat to them if managed properly.
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trinity - 11-07-2012 12:08Lets all agree that what happend to Japan and their inability to plant and harvest for generations to come (amongst other things) is a tragedy and one that Japan needs help to overcome. Thankfully, most indicators from Japan gives good outlooks, due to strong economies in the area.
When it comes to nuclear power, I coul not disagree more. Granted, it is a very dangerous source of energy if handled inappropriately and the scale at which one single disatrous event can unfold is uncomparable to any other. Having said that, both in terms of polution (even when accounting for radioactive waste) and actual lives lost it is greatly, GREATLY superior to most other sources of energy. (windmill and solar energy etc excluded). Think of it this way, the areas lost in Japan that you refer to are, albeit tragic, almost infinitely small in comparison to the environmental damage caused by fossil fuel. The global warming is.... well global, and dispite inconclusive science on the matter, it is pretty safe to say that the co2 levels will have a lasting impact on our plant for many generations to come, even if all oil and coal productions stopped today. No nuclear powerplat would ever be able to accomplish that.
As mos^3 indicated above, Fukushima was old and outdated. Not an excuse, but an indicator that rather than banish the use of nuclear power, we should focus on updating facilities or even replace them with state of the art. Finland fx. has the newest nuclear powerplants with safety levels which are ridiculously high and for them to achieve a meltdown would require no less than (and please excuse the inappropriate reference to the above) armageddon.
Untill better sources of energy is ready (fusion, solar, wind and other natural energy conversion methods) nuclear needs a more predominant role in the energy supply in the world. At least in my opinion...
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jamie1976 - 11-07-2012 13:33Well, Nuclear waste is the issue and if a reactor goes pop there is a major issue. Personally I would like to see a change to how people live world wide which would reduce the need for Nuclear power.
We are on a permanent electricity hook, and for what? Do we need all the toys, computers etc to live? No.
Sadly it is public demand for eletricity with drives the demand for Nuclear... nothing else. The human race will probably devleop to a point where the planet cannot sustain us. That is not a good thought.
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cenneth - 12-07-2012 14:36
I'm no expert, but based on what I've read and heard nuclear power is supperior to any other method at the moment.
But if we can make some other method that is atleast almost as good and better overall, then I will be all for replacing nuclear plants.
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kingjaime - 12-07-2012 16:10Scattershot thoughts:
(1) The earth's course closing in on the sun means the planet will be inhospitable to us in time regardless of what we do. (A great deal of time, but still.)
(2) Nuclear, just as with petrol, just as with every mainstream energy source/system, there'll always be vested financial interests. It's a classic, pretty much given, concern that the oil sheiks and big oil companies seek to suppress potential alternatives. Why would it be different for those who've invested in nuclear power. Big business. Would they be as happy as the average environmental activist if say cold fusion, let alone the magnetic motor, comes to practical working fruition? Any perpetual motion machine would be anathema to them.
(3) jamie made a sound point about demand. We're all of us so plugged into the grid. Little of what we use electricity for is necessary. I know I number of people who drive fuel-inefficient vehicles, and often on journeys they could easily walk or cycle. Remember in 2006, Texas? Summertime, constant blackouts, because the power demands from people using air conditioning were so great... Countries which were quite happy being fairly low consumption have been encouraged towards it. Care to estimate the difference in consumption nowadays, compared to even 25 years ago, in say India, or China? Quite.
We all deserve whatever consequences manifest.
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trinity - 13-07-2012 09:57@ kingjamie
to answer (2) there is little or no reason to believe that industries, fossil fuels or nuclear will stop acting opportunistic however this is not as easy as it used to be. Today, one brilliant man with one computer can make a difference. Earlier on, the resources needed to advance nuclear power was virtually unuptainable without massive funding. Granted, if we are to progress as fast as possible and achieve alternative energy to cover the demand within the next couple of decades, the funds committed need to rise dramatically - but quantom-leaps are occuring ever more decentralised...
We have just got to hope that nuclear will become an inefficient way of converting energy to public consumption and that the alternative is a safe, clean and sustainable alternative. Until then, my vote goes to nuclear as it hold the most benefit with very few drawbacks compared to the current alternatives. Solar is my best bet for a non-fusion sustainable energy source, whilst wind seems a dead-end.
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kingjaime - 13-07-2012 23:00It's highly sophisticated though. We have to bear in mind vested interest sabotage of rival industries (let alone rivals within the same industry) is an old practice. I think of the railways in England aggressively seeking to put the domestic (canal) boating industry out of business, and in the US back in the early days of the motor car where Ford and GM would buy up railways and mothball them, and similar things would happen with streetcars/trams.
I don't mean to be pessimistic or cynical, but I'd say one man with a computer is easily discredited and silenced. It is worth reading up on "suppressed patents" and the experiences of people such as Thomas Moray, Stefan Marinov, Eugene Mallove and Stanley Meyer. The patents system is an absolute minefield because (1) You're opening yourself up to government attention as soon as you submit an application, (2) They could easily deny any application for any reason and (3) If you actually got awarded a patent, there's every chance you'll come under heavy financial (or other) pressure to sell to whatever individual/company would rather your new technology didn't make it to production. And then they'll simply sit on it.
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kevinskyy - 25-08-2012 11:50
I heard they found a massive amount of mutilated butterflies, due to the nuclear disaster. In spite of the fact that it's assumed that butterflies are highly resistant to radioactive stuff.
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grinner - 25-08-2012 12:37its true, they had this picture on the reuters site the other day..
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heddo - 25-08-2012 16:19
nah, thats chinese new year celebrations, or a fancy dress stag night celebration about to turn nasty on Newcastle Quayside..
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