Change languagewhy is the keeper kicking so poor , but yet he saves all shots, the last game i watched is so repetitive, the keeper does a poor kick, the opposition attacks, the keeper saves, ok , i got beat in the second half, but there is no actual football being played , it looks like a poor download from mousebreaker . com.. do the crew release a new sim as a selling pitch only and not care about the quality, this sim is garbage and i cannot believe that the crew have sat and looked at this and gave it the thumbs up,
yours truly , an mzer about to leave..
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djstick - 25-09-2012 22:42adv41449 wrote:@djstick... what the heck are you talking about? You have had one.... ONE statistical anomoly in your last eighteen senior matches. 1 out of 18 or 5.56% and you begin complaining?
If you want to reduce the amount of these statistical anomolies then reduce the amount of matches you play per day and per week. Otherwise, realise you are actually adding to your own complaints.
you see it's people like you that make MZ how it is now.... go on keep lying to urself that there's nothing wrong... what am i talking about? you obviously didn't understood what i was talking about. if you think it's normal to win against superior teams and loosing against weaker teams all the time. ok. if you think it's normal that a top class striker shoots 30 shots at goal and doesn't score a single goal while a 200k€ 22 years old striker shoots 1 time and scores and your team looses because of that lucky goal. ok. this happens in football but not everyday in 3 matches out of 5 like we see in MZ... you keep on thinking like that... this is not soccer or whatever you name this sport. This is football where you have to beat the opponent's skill with a ball with ur feet to reach the GOAL... got it? it's just the basis. now where do i see a SIM that really rewards player skill, team value or even a tactic that dominates the other? I don't! All i see is a rolling dice game.... No consistency, just all plain random match results.... one day u'll find out...
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riegelderpy - 25-09-2012 22:56
@djstick I mean, also low-value players should have the ability to score and high-value playera having the ability to fail hard. But yeah, I think they should make passing more accurate and no lame things when you're 1 one 1, also the players are only playing in the center of the field. no wing-play, no corners and not much headers...
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djstick - 25-09-2012 23:05riegelderpy wrote:@djstick I mean, also low-value players should have the ability to score and high-value playera having the ability to fail hard. But yeah, I think they should make passing more accurate and no lame things when you're 1 one 1, also the players are only playing in the center of the field. no wing-play, no corners and not much headers...
so what? it happens in football but is it suposed to happen everyday? the ammount of times this happens in MZ is outrageous!
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dowopado - 26-09-2012 00:32djstick.....Many users have the frustrations you do, and many before your time on MZ have experienced the same frustrations, and many more will have the same frustrations in the future. Point is, it's not perfect but it is a game that can be enjoyed if you can cope with the imperfections. If not, then maybe this is not the game for you because nothing is going to change overnight. There will be future improvements I am sure that will appease some of the users but also alienated other users. It is what it is, and everyone has to deal with the same flaws equally. I, for one, and many others enjoy the game. Win, lose or draw against David or Goliath, I will learn something from it, and move on to the next opponent.
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adv41449 - 26-09-2012 02:18@djstick, what you fail to remember is that in real life clubs don't play 20+ matches a day or week. you played 20... TWENTY senior matches in like 3 days. 1 out of 20 is perfectly understandable. It is basic statisctics, I am sorry you do not understand BASIC statistics. It is not 3 of 5 matches as you allude to, your own statictics prove otherwise.
I am not happy when I lose in the same fashion, but I don't start whinning as if no one can understand my plight and only I have this seemingly monumental task. That is just dumb. Yes, you have a right to be upset, but the worst sim ever!
How do you suppose they handle this issue? Keep in mind, there will always be statistical anomolies, especailly in a mathematical calculations based game.
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jhndos - 26-09-2012 02:35djstick:
Im on your side.
How many more times do i have to say it.
Why do my players contiually loft the ball directly to an opponent when they have a team mate all on his own ? My tactic is frikkin passing .
How many times do my defenders want to play Kamakazi directly at kickoff during th 2nd half?.
And why oh why do my strikers 3 on 1 against the goalkeeper all with a min of 8 play intell cant work it out and score?.
Lets not forget the goalkeepers ability to contiually kick it directly to an opponent almost every kickout?.
And why my defenders allways let the opposition forward slip in goalside in every game ?
Again let me stress yes this does happen in real life but EVERY GAME ???.
My god you would be sacking players left right and center.
All i ask is dont make the players do the unthinkable/rediculous/stupid/unrealistic every single game. My team strenghts are passing every player has no less than 7 passing attributes, with all midfielders min 8 passing attribute, surely these players can string together more than 2 passes, pass to a team mate in the clear, pass to a teamate all on his own and not loft the ball directly to the only defender between 3 forwards? Surely thats not asking for miricals is it .
Get the SIM to use what tactics your using ala DOOM ,Quake,any other SIM thats out there, in those games you go to a gunfight with a knife you loose.
Same should be in this SIM, you should as a manager feel confident that the players you have, the tactics you use, and the price you have paid will give you results against EVERY INFERIOR TEAM out there .
Im not saying im Barcelona but f%^%k me id be pissed off if my team worth 20mill can be beaten by a team from 3rd div afganistan worh 3 mill 3 times out of 5 .
It just doesnt happen, shouldnt happen.
If you were to see players real life doing the rediculous things this SIM makes players do as a manager i would give up .
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jhndos - 26-09-2012 03:20If your still not convinced.
Go watch my league game today.
How many times do my players pass a lofted ball directly to the opposition?
How many times even against 10 men does my goalkeeper kick it dereclty to the opposition ?
How many times do my players pass to a forward with 2 defenders on him, but ignore the forwards on there own ?????
How many times does 1 player fail to pass to a team mate on his own in 1 game .
Oh and how many times can 1 goalkeeper outwit 3 strikers :) in 1 game 10,12,15 times ???? . At any given time any given game in world football, if you had 3 strikers VS 1 goalkeeper if the striker couldnt figure out to score a least 9 out of 10 times you would have to think A they are retarted B they are under 10s.
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dowopado - 26-09-2012 04:46jhndos......did the opponent have the same problems????
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jhndos - 26-09-2012 09:22Thats irrellevant.
Does that make it right?
Are you saying that its allright so long as the other team does the same ? what about if the team you are playing is a youth team.
I have paid huge money for these players. If i accept rediculous passing and insane game play, i may aswell sell up and sit with youth and accept the SIM.
Sorry your making something stupid acceptable. Your also saying that player value/ attributes are irrellevant because all players do the same thing regardless of value .
Why have different tactics if all teams do the same thing ?.
Your missing the point, all i want is for the sim to do what you want it to do not do what it thinks you want . I want passing not long ball lofted forward.
Same as Doom/Quake you go in with a gun to kill you expect a gun not a knife.
And whilst your at it figure out what the hell is happening with throwins, why do the players run directly under the ball WTF?
The SIM didnt have these passing errors 2 seasons ago.
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adv41449 - 26-09-2012 14:24What? Didn't have these 2 season ago, really? Two seasons ago we had the ping-pong short passing that everyone thought was the "worst sim ever". The one were high-values teams would lose easily to youth squads and that sim was better?
Do you mean the one before that where wing play mean constant throwins and the incesant long back passes? Yeah, no one compained about needing a change then either and stating that the sim needs to be fixed.
Someone once told me, and excuse me because I will flub this one up, "the sim doesn't create the data for calculation , it only shows what has already been calculated." Seems a perfect quote at this point.
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dowopado - 26-09-2012 17:07jhndos.....The point I was trying to make is we all deal with the same problems and frustrations of the imperfections in the sims. Does that make it right, no. But it is like your beating a dead horse. Your frustrations have been said by other users a thousand times over. As to whether this sims is better, or worst than any of the previous sims, I would say it is slightly better than the previous sims I have been through but still has many imperfections.
The sims is a computer program trying to simulate human actions through mathematical/scientic data fed into the computer to create a football game. There is always going to be imperfections because human actions and reactions can not be duplicated. In the human world we create the statistics whereas in the computer sims the statistics create the actions. In a nut shell, there is always going to be imperfections and flaws in a similated game. All Crew can do is try to minimize those imperfections which they have been trying to do with limited equipment they have to work with.
cheers
Bob
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djstick - 26-09-2012 22:36@dowopado maybe ur right , maybe this isn't the game for me.... i'm gonna start to look for alternatives 'cuz i'm tired of this....
@adv1449 i know in MZ we make 20+ matches per day, but still the "1 day the dream team the other the crap team" statistic anomaly is ubber crap. the Crew could fix this just by looking at real life when a superior team is loosing by the slight margin of 1-0 but dominating the match the team in those final minutes tries everything to their last breath to get the draw or even the win... this example happened 2 days ago in Portuguese Superliga in Sporting 2-1 Gil Vicente. You can look at the match here: http://desporto.sapo.pt/multimedia/videos/ultimos/?id=E0zG0R8Y7frmRpOVdOShv
Gil Vicente is a low team from superliga and sporting is a good team above the average but gil vicente scored a lucky goal at the begining of the match. who would have guessed? right? this happens it's a fact. period. but the minute gil vicente scored the goal they did pretty much nothing else for the entire match beeing steamrolled by the oponent's team during the 90 minutes. and guess what happened in the final minutes? the inevitable came to happen. sporting dominated gil vicente for the entire match and their persistence paid off... you see? they could make the SIM give more strength to the dominating team in those final 10, 15 minutes if they are loosing. because the SIM should be trying to simulate human beeings there's always the human factor and the force of will.
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djstick - 26-09-2012 22:49i bet if they implement this the statistic anomaly bug would probably cease to exist or at least happen rarely just how it should happen like in real life...
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jhndos - 27-09-2012 01:502 seasons ago we had the wing fiasco, this included ping pong correct?
Prior to that we had the back passing .
Bob:
The point im trying to get at is yes we all use the same SIM.
But forgive me for thinking this way but unless your the dumbest person under the sun NO human would do some of the things these players do Sorry .
The point you make that its mathematically generated, now in the mathematicall process does the SIM calculate in the players value/ability/quality or does it say mm press a button and goodluck ?.
Im just trying to get my head around the stupid things they do not once but multiple times during a game .
Why would a midfielder continue to pass the ball to a player with 2 or 3 opposisition players around him if it was once i would say ok dumb move but do it 3,4,5,7,10 times in 1 game is now just plain rediculous .
Surely a mathematicall proccess that calculates values/qualities can make a deduction that Team A valued at 1 million obviously does not have a keeper that can stop multiple forwards from scoring and team B valued at 20 mill will out play out pass out score team A 9 out of 10 times .
Bob maybe im just to critical.
I have played in a regular season a youth team, and not only was my team unable to outwit an 18 yr old keeper but they out passed out tackled me and low and behold had 15 shots on goal to my 7, who is the mathematician genius here ? .
Im not one for fairness if my team is valued at 10-15 mill and i play a team that has just started and is valued at 3mill i want a win that shows my teams ability not some trumped up scenario that shows the other team on par with desicion making and abilities as mine .
This not why i spend millions on players to make my team better.
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dowopado - 27-09-2012 06:43jhndos.....All I can tell you is this thread is a good place to vent your frustrations with the game, and your frustrations have been duly noted along with the thousands of other posts in several other threads since the current sims was implemented. I can, also, tell you nothing is going to be resolved overnight so cope with it until Crew gets around to making improvements to the sims.
But to be fair since you are watching the negative things that occur in the game then take the time to count the positive things that occur in the game. If the negative things far outweight the positive things then its a good indication there may be some real problems with the tactics or the players you have on the field. In my games I see many more positive things that occur than negative things. Grant you, it may be only 1 or 2 negative things that occur that causes me to lose a game but then I study the situation to see if it is something I can correct, either with a better player, or a slight movement of the position.
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jhndos - 27-09-2012 10:54dowopado
Obviously maths is not the answer ?
Mate change tactics,players,positions ??
How many times do you think i have done this ?
Do me a favour check how many instant games i play that tells you i have tried every trick in the book, and for what ?? the same stupid results the same player traits.
I will say it one more time, FIX the stupid passing errors, use player/values as a start point for game results, IE my players use passing tactic not a long ball lofted to the forward directy to the opposition .
Listen to what the players of this game are saying .
Please explain why my defenders can now header directly to a teamamte 10 out of 10 times, unfortunately i do not have 1 player on my list with more than 4 heading attributes ? but i have plenty that have high passing :)
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djstick - 27-09-2012 19:02dowopado wrote:If the negative things far outweight the positive things then its a good indication there may be some real problems with the tactics or the players you have on the field. In my games I see many more positive things that occur than negative things. Grant you, it may be only 1 or 2 negative things that occur that causes me to lose a game but then I study the situation to see if it is something I can correct, either with a better player, or a slight movement of the position.
yeah the problem is always about some player or some tactic and not the SIM... *sigh
yeah i tried that aproach a long time ago, trying to find the negative things that were going on in my team, but guess what found. it's all just placebo effect.... yeah that's right.... you change tactics thinking now this one is the ONE and shit... but the next few days that tactic will slowly start to decay and eventually you find urself in a place even worst than before... It's all about luck and random calculations.... As i said before all that the Crew wants is for the noobs that understand jack shit about MZ keep paying them because the SIM makes them win against superior teams so they get all excited and start buying tokens, while the old players are stuck to this game will never leave so they already have them in their pockets... you can't treat people like some statistic or some number in a bank, but that seems to be a general trend in Europe these days...
I quit...
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adv41449 - 27-09-2012 20:58Seriuosly, gents, how hard is it to understand that what you are seeing is a representation of the calculation that has already been completed. And.... yes, every attribute is accounted for in the calculation and each completed calculation begets further calculations. Then variables are added in and statistic percentages are taken into account for every situation leading to a result that would favor the "better" player, side... etc, more often.
What you are seeing is a simplistic way of showing what has been calculated. The calculation isn't that your player kicked it directly to the opposition, it is that possession was lost during a pass, a tackle, a clearance or a shot. The simplest way to show this is that your player kicked it to their player... viola, possession lost.
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adv41449 - 27-09-2012 22:41djstick wrote:i bet if they implement this the statistic anomaly bug would probably cease to exist or at least happen rarely just how it should happen like in real life...
It does happen rarely. 5% of all matches is rarely. If you played 1 match a day, it would only happen once a month. In a full superliga or serie a, it may happen once or twice for a team per season. These are all the same amount, you just refuse to grasp the statistics.
Also, they stop this from happening. The only for sure way to do this is to make every "better" side win 100% of the time. When I state "better" I mean even by the smallest of margins. Team A has $9,000,000 value, team B has $9,000,050 value, team B wins 100% of time. That is the only way to remove statistic anomalies.
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jhndos - 28-09-2012 01:26adv41449:
"What you are seeing is a simplistic way of showing what has been calculated. The calculation isn't that your player kicked it directly to the opposition, it is that possession was lost during a pass, a tackle, a clearance or a shot. The simplest way to show this is that your player kicked it to their player... viola, possession lost."
Your taking the piss mate .
And what to you call every time a player goes forward he lofts the ball directly to the opposition and fails to see the 2 team mates on their own . If it happened 1,2,3 in 1 game id accept but every single time ? and im not talking about players with low pi bc or passing .
And what do you call the 2nd half kick off kamakazi, this is when 1 team goes pass crazy and kick it back and forth to each defender until they lose possesion.
Not once almost every single game, and its not just my team .
Lets not bother with the throw in debacle, its just plain rediculous every throw in the player runs passed the ball.
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jhndos - 28-09-2012 01:36A simplistic asnwers are.
A player valued at 1+ mill with 8 P/I, 8 B/C and 9 passing attributes should not misdirect a pass 7 out of 10 times, it should be the other way around.
A striker valued at 1.2 mill 1 on 1 with a goalkeeper should 7 out of 10 times beat him, not the other way around.
A goalkeeper should be able at a minimum kick it out to a contest, and not directly to the opposition.
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jhndos - 28-09-2012 01:38If the above is to hard to calculate i suggest you buy better calculators .
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djstick - 28-09-2012 01:58ajant23 wrote:bravo djstic, but you already paid :)
it was the last time for sure....
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djstick - 28-09-2012 02:09i don't even care nomore, it's not worth the effort to put any more argument here.... there's always someone with a counter argument and we stay here all day back and forth argumenting.... so i just quit and i'll find another game to play. you see i like to watch football not 22 monkeys back and forth.... some say it's ok some say it's not, there will always be diferent opinions about this matter... i know mine doens't matter but i'll say it again because i payed to play this game and i have the right to complain when i buy something broken: THIS SIM IS BROKEN, LEADS PEOPLE TO MADNESS, AND RUINS ALL THE GOOD THINGS THIS GAME HAS TO OFFER. CYA LATER (NOT)
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djstick - 30-09-2012 22:38MZadv41449
MZdowopado
how can u say this is just some statistic anomaly that happens 1 game out of 20? so here's the proof that it's not. and also here's the proof that this SIM is favouring weaker teams and this is total chaotic madness[/u]. this happens all the time for me so i must be the most unlucky guy in MZ...
yesterday against weaker team: http://pt.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=stats&mid=586010920&tid=871859
today against stronger team: http://pt.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=stats&mid=585873684&tid=871859
today againt weaker team: http://pt.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=stats&mid=576209310&tid=871859
notice how the stronger team in these 3 matches dominate the game but still this stupid broken SIM decided to favor the weaker side. every god damned day always some weird shit like this happens.... excuse me but how can you not see this? i've been playing for 1 year MZ now and i wonder how my team managed to get to the 3rd division with an estimated value of 3.4M€ and i was beating teams the double my team's value and now that i have a competitive team i start to loose... i really wonder... i dono it must be something except this stupid SIM... (sarcasm) right....
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deleted_7751312 - 01-10-2012 13:33
djstick >> get a cookie and a glass of milk buddy :O
You have just won your division and now your crying all over the forum for what? Any team could beat any team in the old wing sim.. that was the most random sim ever made.. now that we have a better and more fair sim, where you cant beat teams like that anymore? LOL... How the hell could real madrid get such a awfull start on the season against weaker teams? well.. its the sim?? yeah right :D
See this is the part that really gets to me.. you keep telling people about weaker and stronger teams.. well can you see their teams, can you? do you know their exact form at the moment ?
i asume that you are looking at the value of the players on the other team and just quess that your team is better.. that is BS.. because skills like Speed, Stamina, experience and form are now more important then ever before.. and you cant count the value of those skills..
The current sim is good but it is not perfect.. but its way better then what we had in season 41.. this is progress.. ;)
This is a game - it should be fun to play.. if it makes you so sad all the time then you should try spending your time on something else.
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ryndan - 01-10-2012 15:06Nkle is right, the sim aint perfect but the stats of win/loss against better or worse teams is correct.
I rarely win against better teams (unless I bring out a crazy tactic) and barely lose against lower teams. ( I sometimes do, but RL teams do aswell so while its frustrating still completely normal).
And Djstick, I though you where leaving If I see ur post on friday, but yet again you come with a rant on Sunday :D.
Not sure if you hate MZ more than you love it ;)
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djstick - 01-10-2012 17:19nkle wrote:djstick >> get a cookie and a glass of milk buddy :O
You have just won your division and now your crying all over the forum for what? Any team could beat any team in the old wing sim.. that was the most random sim ever made.. now that we have a better and more fair sim, where you cant beat teams like that anymore? LOL... How the hell could real madrid get such a awfull start on the season against weaker teams? well.. its the sim?? yeah right :D
See this is the part that really gets to me.. you keep telling people about weaker and stronger teams.. well can you see their teams, can you? do you know their exact form at the moment ?
i asume that you are looking at the value of the players on the other team and just quess that your team is better.. that is BS.. because skills like Speed, Stamina, experience and form are now more important then ever before.. and you cant count the value of those skills..
The current sim is good but it is not perfect.. but its way better then what we had in season 41.. this is progress.. ;)
This is a game - it should be fun to play.. if it makes you so sad all the time then you should try spending your time on something else.
dude you are so narrow minded.... maybe you need a pair of glasses or a spoon of chugar so you can start to read better and not assume the worst out of people... why would you think that i'm crying ffs???? i'm trying to point a problem this SIM has so that the Crew tries to correct it... if you bought a car to a previous owner and you knew it's was ok but had problems wouldn't you try to fix it or just leave it 'till you crash? but no... seems everyone likes to play a broken SIM.... ffs...
here's another one today... :http://pt.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=stats&mid=586624949&tid=871859
you say that last SIM was random? i would love to see what tactic you were playing with the last SIM.... if you played wings the SIM was not random... you asked me if i could see their teams? i can't see the exact stats of the players but i can see the age & value and that tells me a lot... i dono if it does to you tho... i don't need to know the exact form of the oponent's team 'cuz i know the form of my team... and it's maxed... so... i'm still trying to find out what's ur problem on this matter... Mine is: how can a 22 year old player worth 500k@ shoot 2 times to my goal and scores against a 34 year old goalkeeper with 10 balls at goalkeeping and 10 at xp and my striker with 34 years old, worth 700k@ with 10 balls at xp, 9 at shooting shoots 8 times against a 21 year old goal keeper worth 500K€ and can't score a single goal? (21 years old means annything to you?) like it happened this match: http://pt.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=stats&mid=586010920&tid=871859
and today the SIM of course had to remimd me again what a crappy SIM i'm playing by presentimg me with another fabulous result: http://pt.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=stats&mid=586624949&tid=871859
Do you think this should happen every 3 games out of 5???? don't you think it's a little too much??? you go on just keep lying to urselves....
well... at least this team is superior but there's no point in dominating a match or even having the best players.... just chaotic randomness.... i bet you anything you wanna bet if i do an instant match with that opponent again the results will never be the same... you can never be sure with this SIM.... go on keep showing how smart you are by just ignoring this problem....
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djstick - 01-10-2012 17:21ryndan wrote:Nkle is right, the sim aint perfect but the stats of win/loss against better or worse teams is correct.
I rarely win against better teams (unless I bring out a crazy tactic) and barely lose against lower teams. ( I sometimes do, but RL teams do aswell so while its frustrating still completely normal).
And Djstick, I though you where leaving If I see ur post on friday, but yet again you come with a rant on Sunday :D.
Not sure if you hate MZ more than you love it ;)
i used to love it but the hate is scalling... every god damned day...
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djstick - 01-10-2012 18:44i have another great match result to show you just after that last one. just w8 'till i'm able to see the statistics... ffs... this is madness.. lol
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dowopado - 01-10-2012 20:55I swore I wasn't going to post on this topic again because it is a redundant rant. But the auto analogy was a possible way of getting the message to you. We know there are imperfections that need to be fixed but again it is not going to be fixed overnight.
You have a car with many problems that need to be fixed. You take it to the mechanic, and say you want all these problems fixed in 30 minutes. The mechanic says with the problems you have it will take at least a week, maybe two weeks to fix them. You say, well, I want them fixed now and if you can't fix it now then screw it I will just go find a better car. Keep this crappy thing.
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adv41449 - 01-10-2012 23:44djstick, until you grasp basic concepts mentioned already, you should be the last person calling anyone "narrow minded". You my friend, fail to reason any possible explination or dare to consider any other valid points. Is that not the clear definition of "narrow minded".
I will make it simple for you... If we all promise to miss you, will you go away?
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jhndos - 02-10-2012 00:57nkle:
"i asume that you are looking at the value of the players on the other team and just quess that your team is better.. that is BS.. because skills like Speed, Stamina, experience and form are now more important then ever before.. and you cant count the value of those skills"..
If this was the infact true i would be happy, extremely happy
Although im not as fanatical as mr distic i do understand his frustration.
My 2 main gripes above all the constant kickout to an opponnent by the goalkeeper, and the lofted ball directly to an opponent who then can head the ball so perfectly to a team mate, fix that im happy . Results can be iffy against weaker teams, but usually acceptable, 5-1 vs youth team for a win Vs 5-1 win Vs an A league team confuses me. That tells me player abilities are NOT taken into account completely.
You also mention (im taking into account you are talking about Real Madrid) real's bad start ? let me see oh yes 1 loss to a team not worthy Getefe the other loss Vs Barcelona yu kidding. Dont mention 3-2 v man c or the 5-2 v milan wins :)
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sccrdude3698 - 03-10-2012 00:36
My guy is wide open to run for the goal and he always passes it to a guy that is triple teamed. this is ridiculous.
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ajant23 - 03-10-2012 04:46
ryndan wrote:Nkle is right, the sim aint perfect but the stats of win/loss against better or worse teams is correct.
I rarely win against better teams (unless I bring out a crazy tactic) and barely lose against lower teams. ( I sometimes do, but RL teams do aswell so while its frustrating still completely normal).
And Djstick, I though you where leaving If I see ur post on friday, but yet again you come with a rant on Sunday :D.
Not sure if you hate MZ more than you love it ;)
Signing this...
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djstick - 03-10-2012 08:11adv41449 wrote:djstick, until you grasp basic concepts mentioned already, you should be the last person calling anyone "narrow minded". You my friend, fail to reason any possible explination or dare to consider any other valid points. Is that not the clear definition of "narrow minded".
I will make it simple for you... If we all promise to miss you, will you go away?
you fail to reason any possible explanation to favour the SIM aswell... so... i'm sorry if i carried my frustration too far but matches like this: http://pt.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=871859&mid=586617897
and this: http://pt.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&tid=871859&mid=585330947
and these are just from today, should not happen every 2 out of 5 matches like it always happens with this SIM. I'm just saying it's a little too much and the Crew should not overlook this. I don't think it's a fail because i think i made myself very clear about what my frustration was even showing some matches as proof and besides you don't have to promise me nothing 'cuz i'm not here to be missed, i'm just pointing something i think it's bad. if the Crew wants to fix it or not it's their problem not mine. i will just go with the flow 'till i get filled with it...
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baltovenaar - 03-10-2012 15:19Not true heddo. Goalkeepers only kick badly when they have low balls in Aerial passing. My keeper had about 5 or 6 balls in this skill and in 50%of the time the kick from the goalkeeper goes to One of my players.
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djstick - 03-10-2012 17:26adv41449 wrote:djstick, until you grasp basic concepts mentioned already, you should be the last person calling anyone "narrow minded". You my friend, fail to reason any possible explination or dare to consider any other valid points. Is that not the clear definition of "narrow minded".
I will make it simple for you... If we all promise to miss you, will you go away?
tell me then what basic principles i fail to grasp? the statistical anomaly? or must i be able to understand that a 300k€ striker shoot 2 times to my goal and scores while my main striker shoots 30 times and it's like a concrete wall??? and yes he's narrow minded because he assumed i was crying when i was trying to explain something i think it's wrong and i also posted matches that i've won...
dowopado wrote:I swore I wasn't going to post on this topic again because it is a redundant rant. But the auto analogy was a possible way of getting the message to you. We know there are imperfections that need to be fixed but again it is not going to be fixed overnight.
You have a car with many problems that need to be fixed. You take it to the mechanic, and say you want all these problems fixed in 30 minutes. The mechanic says with the problems you have it will take at least a week, maybe two weeks to fix them. You say, well, I want them fixed now and if you can't fix it now then screw it I will just go find a better car. Keep this crappy thing.
finally someone that understands what i'm talking about, i'm not saying this problem must be fixed overnight or by magic, i know it takes time but if people keep ignoring this problem then we will have the same crap as 11 years ago.... you guys must stop pretending everything is ok with the SIM and acknowledge there's a problem here...
ajant23 wrote:Adv you are forgetting about sadomazo ones :)))
ajant23 wrote:bravo djstic, but you already paid :)
ajant23 wrote:Signing this...
bitch don't you have nothing constructive to say on this matter? all that peanut brain is able to do is come here to listen and then say 10 year old jokes... ther's nothing constructive coming out of that nut shell is it? then GTFO... you think ur funny? well... jump off a cliff and i think that's funny... i would love to meet you in person just to tell you what a "funny" person you are... don't you wanna give me ur facebook profile? i'm not too much a follower of trends like "social gossip networks" but i can make an exception for you... ...
Swearing violation
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riegelderpy - 06-10-2012 21:13
You should maybe improve your tactics and take a different placement of the players...
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jhndos - 07-10-2012 06:21you gotta love the old "change your tactic" quote :)
apparently its all to do with stats/probabilities.
my head hurts
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djstick - 07-10-2012 07:56jhndos wrote:you gotta love the old "change your tactic" quote :)
apparently its all to do with stats/probabilities.
my head hurts
you gotta love everything these people throw up in here just to fell better about the SIM when they go to bed.... lol
Look at this "statistical anomaly today: i won 1-11 to a much greater team than mine... hilarious. is this what you call a "statistical anomaly"? lol dudes don't make me laugh anymore... and also is this what you call footbal? lol
http://pt.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=stats&mid=585873788&tid=871859
just look at the match and tell me your opinion. (i will love to come here again just to see what the new excuses will be)
If you use Cozone Script for firefox you will see that the oponent's team value is about 8,1M€ and my team is about 6,9M€. i'm doing a friendly league with him and he's one of the top teams in there. i'm one of the average but surprisingly i'm beating the top teams 1-11???? dudes i will really love to hear what you have to say... "statistical anomaly" that happens every 1 out of 20 games???? right.... no... maybe i better check the form? or maybe it was this... or that? or what???? it's right in front of your eyes: a broken SIM. i was loosing hopes about my team going a bit soon to the 2nd division but i guess that i will be good if i just stay with lower value than my oponent's next season because that seems to be the logic of this SIM. You think this is some statistical anomaly but i say it's a buff to lower teams. lower teams are beating higher teams and it's all turned upside down with chaotic randomness in the middle helping out even more. player's skill/value is non existant. you buy a 900k€ striker and the increased odds to your team score a goal is like 0,001%... no wonder i see 22 year old strikers worth 300K€ with no xp at all shooting 1 time to goal and scoring vs 34 yr old keepers 10 gk, 10xp and on the other hand i also see 34 year old strikers worth 900k€ shooting 30 times to goal vs 22 year old gk worth 300K€ and scoring 0 goals.... it's really sad... and it frustrates you because basically the money we earn is to buy new players but when i had a team full of one-legged men i was beating everything in my path. i even remember 2 seasons ago getting the 3rd place in strikers cup with that weak team beating teams with the double my team's value... and i was thinking: "ohhhh now i'm fking José Mourinho!" and that's what got me to pay for this game and now that i have a strong team it's the oposite. spending each month more than 50€ just to test tactics not to mention for the FLs and FCs and more tactics burning my brain cells to exaustion... eventually i got fed up and stoped my tests and i just don't care anymore... and you don't believe me when i say this is marketing strategy of the Crew? ffs open your eyes. i'm not saying anymore about this crappy SIM and situation for MZ players that feel the same way as I. If you have no more lame excuse to say about statistical anomalies then prove me i'm wrong.
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djstick - 07-10-2012 07:59this one up here is for the person that was saying that i was crying....
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jhndos - 07-10-2012 09:57surely my team is out statted/probalilityed
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djstick - 07-10-2012 17:11jhndos wrote:can i join the friendly league
Sorry mate but the LF has already started.... maybe next time...
@to the SIM fanboys:
no more lame excuses? no? or are you still trying to figure out one?
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deleted_7751312 - 07-10-2012 18:09
djstick >>
this is just too much... Well what a terrible day.. my team beat a better team today.. omg i want a knew SIM - RIGHT NOW.. in case crew hasnt read the 10 other post i wrote lets just bump it up.. ;)
well i know that the other team is better.. because they have more tackling, ballcontrol and shooting skills.. because i look at their value.. yes i dont think about that a 10 shooting + 10 ballcontrol player can have 4 + 4 in stamina and speed and be worthless.. no I KNOW EVERYTHING SO WELL :O Another thing that i dont really understand is that the other team can choose to play defenive/ long ball or Wing football in their tactic. which will handicap their chances in the match.. NO please dont write because i know everything and the only thing i wish to read is what im texting myself :D
You are the biggest cry baby on MZ.. lets just make one thing REALLY REALLY CLEAR!
We are all using the same SIM.. adabt and try.. or dont and cry :D
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riegelderpy - 08-10-2012 20:42
Invite me to a friendly match as well :D I'm new so let's prove those statistic anomalies :D
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djstick - 08-10-2012 22:42nkle wrote:djstick >>
this is just too much... Well what a terrible day.. my team beat a better team today.. omg i want a knew SIM - RIGHT NOW.. in case crew hasnt read the 10 other post i wrote lets just bump it up.. ;)
well i know that the other team is better.. because they have more tackling, ballcontrol and shooting skills.. because i look at their value.. yes i dont think about that a 10 shooting + 10 ballcontrol player can have 4 + 4 in stamina and speed and be worthless.. no I KNOW EVERYTHING SO WELL :O Another thing that i dont really understand is that the other team can choose to play defenive/ long ball or Wing football in their tactic. which will handicap their chances in the match.. NO please dont write because i know everything and the only thing i wish to read is what im texting myself :D
You are the biggest cry baby on MZ.. lets just make one thing REALLY REALLY CLEAR!
We are all using the same SIM.. adabt and try.. or dont and cry :D
you are the biggest narow minded people on MZ... you really don't get it do you???? care to show ur I.Q. text???? i have a sugenstion for you: GO LEARN WHAT FOOTBAL IS! maybe you're in the wrong sport...
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djstick - 08-10-2012 22:43nkle wrote:djstick >>
this is just too much... Well what a terrible day.. my team beat a better team today.. omg i want a knew SIM - RIGHT NOW.. in case crew hasnt read the 10 other post i wrote lets just bump it up.. ;)
well i know that the other team is better.. because they have more tackling, ballcontrol and shooting skills.. because i look at their value.. yes i dont think about that a 10 shooting + 10 ballcontrol player can have 4 + 4 in stamina and speed and be worthless.. no I KNOW EVERYTHING SO WELL :O Another thing that i dont really understand is that the other team can choose to play defenive/ long ball or Wing football in their tactic. which will handicap their chances in the match.. NO please dont write because i know everything and the only thing i wish to read is what im texting myself :D
You are the biggest cry baby on MZ.. lets just make one thing REALLY REALLY CLEAR!
We are all using the same SIM.. adabt and try.. or dont and cry :D
or maybe you're just one of those persons that can't see ahead of your own belly... know what i mean???? all you care is if your team wins, if the SIM is broken or not you just don't care..... what a big narrow minded person you are