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My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By scruttino - 20-09-2016 22:24

[AUSNZ]

You read about other people having them, but they are rare. Feutrill I bought for about 500k AUD age 19. A training success story. He isn't world class, but handy to have. [fpl=195388043]You read about other people having them, but they are rare. Feutrill I bought for about 500k AUD age 19. A training success story. He isn't world class, but handy to have.

Lawrence Feutrill

Age: 52 (Retired)

 

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Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By dowopado - 21-09-2016 00:56

[BotP]

To me that is an amazing feat...60 balls @21 yr old...assuming the player came into the academy with 12 balls that means he averaged about 9.6 balls per season. How come I am not lucky enough to have those kind of players coming into my academy.To me that is an amazing feat...60 balls @21 yr old...assuming the player came into the academy with 12 balls that means he averaged about 9.6 balls per season.

How come I am not lucky enough to have those kind of players coming into my academy.

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By coconut_wolf_bandit - 21-09-2016 03:04

[PSCF]

Any chance you can remember/countback the balls you trained him in to tell us what he was like before you got him?Any chance you can remember/countback the balls you trained him in to tell us what he was like before you got him?

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By bestplaymaker2134 - 21-09-2016 04:14

[AUSNZ]

7 AP Get rid of him ASAP.7 AP

Get rid of him ASAP.

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By civilu - 21-09-2016 06:34

[RAF]
President

[u]Handy[/u] to have a player with some 60 [u]balls[/u]? What is happening over there, in your part of the world??? [:O]Handy to have a player with some 60 balls? What is happening over there, in your part of the world???

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By scruttino - 21-09-2016 10:33

[AUSNZ]

I bought him at the start of his 4th season, he wasn't a product of my own academy. I've not found any homegrown talent to match this guy. Counting back the balls, he began life age 16 with 19 starting balls. So he had a good start in life, but not the as good as some youth players are with 20+ starting balls Ball gains per season At his previous club Season 1 - 8 Season 2 - 6 Season 3 - 8 At my club Season 4 - 6 Season 5 - 7 Current season - 6 I've had no luck with AP, all except one of the players I'm training has maxed at 8 AP, the rest are 7 AP or 6 AP. The rest are still training AP. Because of this I'm yet to decide if I'll turn this group into a senior team, but I won't have to make that choice until the end of next season. This guy was among the 7-8 players that picked themselves for our U/21 National Team. He is the best overall player in the U/21 NT setup, usually he held down a CDM role unless we needed a wingback with enough stamina to last the full 90min and mark an opposing player.

dowopado wrote:

To me that is an amazing feat...60 balls @21 yr old...assuming the player came into the academy with 12 balls that means he averaged about 9.6 balls per season.

How come I am not lucky enough to have those kind of players coming into my academy.

I bought him at the start of his 4th season, he wasn't a product of my own academy. I've not found any homegrown talent to match this guy.

coconut_wolf_bandit wrote:

Any chance you can remember/countback the balls you trained him in to tell us what he was like before you got him?

Counting back the balls, he began life age 16 with 19 starting balls. So he had a good start in life, but not the as good as some youth players are with 20+ starting balls

Ball gains per season

At his previous club
Season 1 - 8
Season 2 - 6
Season 3 - 8

At my club
Season 4 - 6
Season 5 - 7
Current season - 6

bestplaymaker2134 wrote:

7 AP, Get rid of him ASAP.

I've had no luck with AP, all except one of the players I'm training has maxed at 8 AP, the rest are 7 AP or 6 AP. The rest are still training AP.

Because of this I'm yet to decide if I'll turn this group into a senior team, but I won't have to make that choice until the end of next season.

civilu wrote:

Handy to have a player with some 60 balls? What is happening over there, in your part of the world???

This guy was among the 7-8 players that picked themselves for our U/21 National Team. He is the best overall player in the U/21 NT setup, usually he held down a CDM role unless we needed a wingback with enough stamina to last the full 90min and mark an opposing player.

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By bestplaymaker2134 - 21-09-2016 11:14

[AUSNZ]

You could just go with short passing, most of the aussies are still using it.

scruttino wrote:

I've had no luck with AP, all except one of the players I'm training has maxed at 8 AP, the rest are 7 AP or 6 AP. The rest are still training AP.

Because of this I'm yet to decide if I'll turn this group into a senior team, but I won't have to make that choice until the end of next season.

You could just go with short passing, most of the aussies are still using it.

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By hanzinho - 21-09-2016 13:45

[WCE]
President

Based on training analyzes on my own youth players: If all of them are given a camp per season, the fastest will gain 22,93 balls during his youth, while the slowest learner gains 18,73. My data is based on just a few players, over a few seasons. So it is interesting to see that my numbers add up when it comes to maximum training efficiency, as I would think your boy is near the very maximum. As to your player, too bad he is as poor in passing the ball as Wayne Rooney. He has better stamina though!

scruttino wrote:

Ball gains per season
At his previous club
Season 1 - 8
Season 2 - 6
Season 3 - 8

Based on training analyzes on my own youth players: If all of them are given a camp per season, the fastest will gain 22,93 balls during his youth, while the slowest learner gains 18,73.

My data is based on just a few players, over a few seasons. So it is interesting to see that my numbers add up when it comes to maximum training efficiency, as I would think your boy is near the very maximum.

As to your player, too bad he is as poor in passing the ball as Wayne Rooney. He has better stamina though!

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By hanzinho - 21-09-2016 13:49

[WCE]
President

Also, I should add, the above numbers are based on always using coaches with more balls than the players. It should be kinda obvious though.Also, I should add, the above numbers are based on always using coaches with more balls than the players. It should be kinda obvious though.

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By scruttino - 21-09-2016 23:37

[AUSNZ]

Yeah, it should be obvious. You can't produce good players if you don't train them well. The numbers are about the same for me. Fast training players like Feutrill have a slight fall in efficiency between the age of 19-21 (he looks likely to gain 19-20 balls in this age range, compared to 22 balls gained between the age of 16-18), slow trainers really drop of the map with 10-12 for the 19-21 age range, compared with about 18 balls gained between the age of 16-18. Then you get mid range players this guy, who began with only 10 balls. Gained 20 between the age of 16-18 and will get about 5 this season. So depending on where they start makes a big difference. Whatman will be about 2 season behind where Feutrill is at when he is 21 years old with 6 full TC's under his belt. [fpl=196681529]

hanzinho wrote:

Also, I should add, the above numbers are based on always using coaches with more balls than the players. It should be kinda obvious though.

Yeah, it should be obvious. You can't produce good players if you don't train them well.

hanzinho wrote:

the fastest will gain 22,93 balls during his youth, while the slowest learner gains 18,73.

My data is based on just a few players, over a few seasons. So it is interesting to see that my numbers add up when it comes to maximum training efficiency, as I would think your boy is near the very maximum.

The numbers are about the same for me.

Fast training players like Feutrill have a slight fall in efficiency between the age of 19-21 (he looks likely to gain 19-20 balls in this age range, compared to 22 balls gained between the age of 16-18), slow trainers really drop of the map with 10-12 for the 19-21 age range, compared with about 18 balls gained between the age of 16-18.

Then you get mid range players this guy, who began with only 10 balls. Gained 20 between the age of 16-18 and will get about 5 this season.

So depending on where they start makes a big difference. Whatman will be about 2 season behind where Feutrill is at when he is 21 years old with 6 full TC's under his belt.

Jagger Whatman

Age: 50 (Retired)

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By scruttino - 22-09-2016 00:19

[AUSNZ]

On second thoughts, when he reaches the age of 21, Whatman will be about 3 seasons behind where Feutrill was at the same age. 9 balls less for starting count, 5-7 balls less on training efficiency That is a huge difference and Whatman isn't what you would classify as a slow trainer. So factoring in a players ball count when they are generated, the difference between slow and fast training player could as much as 4 seasons of training in the first 6 seasons of their careerOn second thoughts, when he reaches the age of 21, Whatman will be about 3 seasons behind where Feutrill was at the same age.

9 balls less for starting count,
5-7 balls less on training efficiency

That is a huge difference and Whatman isn't what you would classify as a slow trainer. So factoring in a players ball count when they are generated, the difference between slow and fast training player could as much as 4 seasons of training in the first 6 seasons of their career

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By aemi - 22-09-2016 04:47

[Canada]

I've had good players and bad players but you don't see me bragging about them. I should not judge though, I've heard that kangaroos hesitate, because they don't like to jump to conclusions, and neither do I. Just kidding, or am I?

scruttino wrote:

You read about other people having them, but they are rare. Feutrill I bought for about 500k AUD age 19. A training success story. He isn't world class, but handy to have.

I've had good players and bad players but you don't see me bragging about them. I should not judge though, I've heard that kangaroos hesitate, because they don't like to jump to conclusions, and neither do I.

Just kidding, or am I?

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By sbrownridge - 22-09-2016 06:17

[Canada]

Assuming that training speed and max skills aren't linked it's probably the difference between a faster training player being ready for most senior squads at 21-22 vs 24-26.

scruttino wrote:

On second thoughts, when he reaches the age of 21, Whatman will be about 3 seasons behind where Feutrill was at the same age.

9 balls less for starting count,
5-7 balls less on training efficiency

That is a huge difference and Whatman isn't what you would classify as a slow trainer. So factoring in a players ball count when they are generated, the difference between slow and fast training player could as much as 4 seasons of training in the first 6 seasons of their career

Assuming that training speed and max skills aren't linked it's probably the difference between a faster training player being ready for most senior squads at 21-22 vs 24-26.

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By coconut_wolf_bandit - 22-09-2016 06:46

[PSCF]

I have a 21 year old who I sent on two back-to-back training camps (this guy is a slow ass trainer - seriously the slowest on the planet). 3 balls in 10 weeks. THREE BALLS.I have a 21 year old who I sent on two back-to-back training camps (this guy is a slow ass trainer - seriously the slowest on the planet).

3 balls in 10 weeks. THREE BALLS.

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By troyh65 - 22-09-2016 07:31

[Juve]

I have the worlds slowest trainer: Bath do not Wakefield - started like a bat out of hell. Only maxed shoot (6) and stamina (9). On his way to 10 speed but it's taken two camps, and still a long way off. Started with 16 balls. 16 - 8 17 - 6 18 - 3 19 - 4 20 - 4 Total Balls 41 Then we have the other spectrum, Brett I'm awake McCarthy. Started with 19 16 - 6 17 - 7 18 - 3 (only got camp at the very end of the season so he could play in u/18 cup games) 19 - 8 20 - 8 Total balls 51

coconut_wolf_bandit wrote:

I have a 21 year old who I sent on two back-to-back training camps (this guy is a slow ass trainer - seriously the slowest on the planet).

3 balls in 10 weeks. THREE BALLS.

I have the worlds slowest trainer:
Bath do not Wakefield - started like a bat out of hell. Only maxed shoot (6) and stamina (9). On his way to 10 speed but it's taken two camps, and still a long way off.
Started with 16 balls.
16 - 8
17 - 6
18 - 3
19 - 4
20 - 4

Total Balls 41

Then we have the other spectrum, Brett I'm awake McCarthy.
Started with 19
16 - 6
17 - 7
18 - 3 (only got camp at the very end of the season so he could play in u/18 cup games)
19 - 8
20 - 8
Total balls 51

Re: My first 60+ ball 21 year old

By scruttino - 22-09-2016 11:35

[AUSNZ]

Only beyond the age of 21 the gap would continue to widen, albeit at a lower rate. So on the extreme of fast and slow training that could push it out to 21-22 vs 27-28. Which in light of deterioration kicking in at 30 for everyone at the latest, leaves a lot to be desired in relation to the longevity off slow training player (but that discussion has been had many times over).

sbrownridge wrote:

Assuming that training speed and max skills aren't linked it's probably the difference between a faster training player being ready for most senior squads at 21-22 vs 24-26.

Only beyond the age of 21 the gap would continue to widen, albeit at a lower rate. So on the extreme of fast and slow training that could push it out to 21-22 vs 27-28. Which in light of deterioration kicking in at 30 for everyone at the latest, leaves a lot to be desired in relation to the longevity off slow training player (but that discussion has been had many times over).

 

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