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When Does A Player Really Peak?

By smiller29 - 19-04-2015 02:59

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There seems to be a lot of people complaining about deteriorations starting at 28 years old, yet many of those same people are arguing that 27/28 is a players PEAK age. This annoyed me because players start to deteriorate after they peak so all these complainers are in fact actually in agreement. Anyways, there will always be exceptions to any rules and there will always be arguments as to who the best players are in the world and what their ages are. I figured a decent representation of a players peak age would be to look at the Ballon D'or award. So here are the winners and their ages for the past 20 years: 2014 - Ronaldo (29) 2013 - Ronaldo (28) 2012 - Messi (25) 2011 - Messi (24) 2010 - Messi (23) 2009 - Messi (22) 2008 - Ronaldo (23) 2007 - Kaka (25) 2006 - Cannavaro (33) 2005 - Ronaldinho (25) 2004 - Ronaldinho (24) 2003 - Zidane (31) 2002 - Ronaldo (26) 2001 - Figo (29) 2000 - Zidane (28) 1999 - Rivaldo (27) 1998 - Zidane (26) 1997 - Ronaldo (21) 1996 - Ronaldo (20) 1995 - Weah (29) This gives an [b]AVERAGE AGE of 25.9[/b] and really you can take 6 months (0.5 yrs)off of that because my ages assume every player was born January 1st. As a side note - I bet if you look at the average age of most of the Managerzone National Teams, the age would still be close to (if not over) 30. So why so many complaints over deteriorations starting at age 28? Just because they are deteriorating doesn't mean they are useless. ___ [i][color=brown]Kaka's age corrected. He was not a grandpa. Nikolazpsadmin [:P][/color][/i]There seems to be a lot of people complaining about deteriorations starting at 28 years old, yet many of those same people are arguing that 27/28 is a players PEAK age. This annoyed me because players start to deteriorate after they peak so all these complainers are in fact actually in agreement. Anyways, there will always be exceptions to any rules and there will always be arguments as to who the best players are in the world and what their ages are. I figured a decent representation of a players peak age would be to look at the Ballon D'or award. So here are the winners and their ages for the past 20 years:

2014 - Ronaldo (29)
2013 - Ronaldo (28)
2012 - Messi (25)
2011 - Messi (24)
2010 - Messi (23)
2009 - Messi (22)
2008 - Ronaldo (23)
2007 - Kaka (25)
2006 - Cannavaro (33)
2005 - Ronaldinho (25)
2004 - Ronaldinho (24)
2003 - Zidane (31)
2002 - Ronaldo (26)
2001 - Figo (29)
2000 - Zidane (28)
1999 - Rivaldo (27)
1998 - Zidane (26)
1997 - Ronaldo (21)
1996 - Ronaldo (20)
1995 - Weah (29)

This gives an AVERAGE AGE of 25.9 and really you can take 6 months (0.5 yrs)off of that because my ages assume every player was born January 1st.

As a side note - I bet if you look at the average age of most of the Managerzone National Teams, the age would still be close to (if not over) 30.

So why so many complaints over deteriorations starting at age 28? Just because they are deteriorating doesn't mean they are useless.

___

Kaka's age corrected. He was not a grandpa. Nikolazpsadmin :P

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Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By piti_chivu - 19-04-2015 03:19

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Make a plan go with them in d1, spend more than 50 millions and then sell them less than half of the price payd...all your plan ruined, all your time wasted to collect the money...everything in 2-3 days. Think of this and then give yourself the answer, why so many complains.Make a plan go with them in d1, spend more than 50 millions and then sell them less than half of the price payd...all your plan ruined, all your time wasted to collect the money...everything in 2-3 days. Think of this and then give yourself the answer, why so many complains.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By smiller29 - 19-04-2015 03:39

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Fair enough, but that's more of a complaint against deteriorations in general as opposed to the age at which they are starting. I think that everything is a bit advanced in this game. The players are basically at their peak at age 24 (if trained properly) so you still get 3 to 4 seasons of peak play out of them. But would your really want to train a player for 7-10 years before they crack your squad? It wouldn't be worth it. But I do agree that the shock of losing 2 balls / player over the course of 2-3 days was very discouraging. However, there should be no more lost balls for another season or two.Fair enough, but that's more of a complaint against deteriorations in general as opposed to the age at which they are starting.

I think that everything is a bit advanced in this game. The players are basically at their peak at age 24 (if trained properly) so you still get 3 to 4 seasons of peak play out of them. But would your really want to train a player for 7-10 years before they crack your squad? It wouldn't be worth it.

But I do agree that the shock of losing 2 balls / player over the course of 2-3 days was very discouraging. However, there should be no more lost balls for another season or two.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By tosspot - 19-04-2015 06:51

[AUSNZ]

Pretty sure Kaka wasn't 82 when he won it.Pretty sure Kaka wasn't 82 when he won it.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By tosspot - 19-04-2015 06:53

[AUSNZ]

Also, fat Ronaldo winning it at 20 shows how pointless this thread is. No way in hell could a 20yo be that good in MZ so why are we comparing MZ to real life when you can't?Also, fat Ronaldo winning it at 20 shows how pointless this thread is. No way in hell could a 20yo be that good in MZ so why are we comparing MZ to real life when you can't?

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By smiller29 - 19-04-2015 07:28

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Kaka was the exception to the rule when his career peaked at the ripe old age of 82 - or maybe that was a type-o. oops and I completely agree with you that you can't compare MZ to real life. That's the point. Why are people so worried about deteriorations at 28 when players basically peak at 24 years old. We're getting good years out of the players.Kaka was the exception to the rule when his career peaked at the ripe old age of 82 - or maybe that was a type-o. oops

and I completely agree with you that you can't compare MZ to real life. That's the point. Why are people so worried about deteriorations at 28 when players basically peak at 24 years old. We're getting good years out of the players.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By smiller29 - 19-04-2015 07:29

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Correction: 2007 - Kaka (25)Correction:

2007 - Kaka (25)

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By scruttino - 19-04-2015 08:58

[AUSNZ]

Deterioration aren't that much. Say a 27 year old player starts deteriorating at 1 bar per day. By the time he is 30 he'll have lost about two thirds of a ball in both speed and stamina. Such a player will probably retire while their second ball is still deteriorating and that it very similar to real life football. What Managerzone doesn't have with the current system of retirements being linked to training speeds, are the freak youth players that continue to freak players at the age of 30-32. But such players are extremely rare, so their omission does not make a great difference. Cannavaro had lost the speed and stamina of his peak when he won, but he made up for it with leadership, high intelligence and tackling. Rivaldo was never the fastest player, but he could shoot and had great intelligence. Weah was a beast, but he won more for his leadership abilities. When fully fit Messi still has his speed, but he has begun to lose his stamina, due to being injured more often and unable to do the same amount of long distance running he use to. Ronaldinho began to decline around the age of 28-29 C. Ronaldo is as good as he can get, he has lasted longer than most at the top level but it's about managing his body from here on. Brazilian Ronaldo was shot by the age of 26-27. After that he could never keep the weight down. Zidane at 31 was still good, but not as good as he was when 28. Kaka by 28 had begun to rely more on intelligence than speed. Figo was never the fastest player, but his strength, stamina, BC, shooting and passing made up for it. Some top class player do deteriorate at the age 27/28, some even before that, others not until there 30-32 but these players are less frequent. Managerzone and management games in general do not have the programming flexibility, to produce players to which the ordinary rules do not apply. But they can mimic the averages and that is what it they do. You'll never have 40 year old goalkeepers like Mark Schwarzer that just keep going. Believe it or some players do begin to deteriorate a the age of 27, either due to a serious injury from which they never fully recover, general deterioration or a lack of motivation to continue the level of training that they need to do to compete at the highest level. Be thankful that in managerzone injuries aren't career threatening or a players self motivation isn't a determining factor in whether or not they begin to suddenly deteriorate out of the blue age 25. But on the question of what age a player is at there peak. It varies from player to player, including the period of time in which they are deteriorating but make up for it with their skills in other areas. All management games can do is provide you with some general rules that have a set range of variety, from which you can make determine how you want to approach the game.Deterioration aren't that much. Say a 27 year old player starts deteriorating at 1 bar per day. By the time he is 30 he'll have lost about two thirds of a ball in both speed and stamina. Such a player will probably retire while their second ball is still deteriorating and that it very similar to real life football.

What Managerzone doesn't have with the current system of retirements being linked to training speeds, are the freak youth players that continue to freak players at the age of 30-32. But such players are extremely rare, so their omission does not make a great difference.

Cannavaro had lost the speed and stamina of his peak when he won, but he made up for it with leadership, high intelligence and tackling.

Rivaldo was never the fastest player, but he could shoot and had great intelligence.

Weah was a beast, but he won more for his leadership abilities.

When fully fit Messi still has his speed, but he has begun to lose his stamina, due to being injured more often and unable to do the same amount of long distance running he use to.

Ronaldinho began to decline around the age of 28-29

C. Ronaldo is as good as he can get, he has lasted longer than most at the top level but it's about managing his body from here on.

Brazilian Ronaldo was shot by the age of 26-27. After that he could never keep the weight down.

Zidane at 31 was still good, but not as good as he was when 28.

Kaka by 28 had begun to rely more on intelligence than speed.

Figo was never the fastest player, but his strength, stamina, BC, shooting and passing made up for it.

Some top class player do deteriorate at the age 27/28, some even before that, others not until there 30-32 but these players are less frequent.

Managerzone and management games in general do not have the programming flexibility, to produce players to which the ordinary rules do not apply. But they can mimic the averages and that is what it they do.

You'll never have 40 year old goalkeepers like Mark Schwarzer that just keep going.

Believe it or some players do begin to deteriorate a the age of 27, either due to a serious injury from which they never fully recover, general deterioration or a lack of motivation to continue the level of training that they need to do to compete at the highest level.

Be thankful that in managerzone injuries aren't career threatening or a players self motivation isn't a determining factor in whether or not they begin to suddenly deteriorate out of the blue age 25.

But on the question of what age a player is at there peak. It varies from player to player, including the period of time in which they are deteriorating but make up for it with their skills in other areas. All management games can do is provide you with some general rules that have a set range of variety, from which you can make determine how you want to approach the game.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By troyh65 - 19-04-2015 09:00

[Juve]

They look useless. How does the Canadian squad look today compared to last season? They certainly need to fix the way this partial ball looks. It's horrible. Also, as you say, you are narrowing down the window of when a player is at his peak within MZ. I can see a roll on affect on the transfer market coming which potentially is not good.

smiller29 wrote:

There seems to be a lot of people complaining about deteriorations starting at 28 years old, yet many of those same people are arguing that 27/28 is a players PEAK age. This annoyed me because players start to deteriorate after they peak so all these complainers are in fact actually in agreement. Anyways, there will always be exceptions to any rules and there will always be arguments as to who the best players are in the world and what their ages are. I figured a decent representation of a players peak age would be to look at the Ballon D'or award. So here are the winners and their ages for the past 20 years:

2014 - Ronaldo (29)
2013 - Ronaldo (28)
2012 - Messi (25)
2011 - Messi (24)
2010 - Messi (23)
2009 - Messi (22)
2008 - Ronaldo (23)
2007 - Kaka (82)
2006 - Cannavaro (33)
2005 - Ronaldinho (25)
2004 - Ronaldinho (24)
2003 - Zidane (31)
2002 - Ronaldo (26)
2001 - Figo (29)
2000 - Zidane (28)
1999 - Rivaldo (27)
1998 - Zidane (26)
1997 - Ronaldo (21)
1996 - Ronaldo (20)
1995 - Weah (29)

This gives an AVERAGE AGE of 25.9 and really you can take 6 months (0.5 yrs)off of that because my ages assume every player was born January 1st.

As a side note - I bet if you look at the average age of most of the Managerzone National Teams, the age would still be close to (if not over) 30.

So why so many complaints over deteriorations starting at age 28? Just because they are deteriorating doesn't mean they are useless.

They look useless. How does the Canadian squad look today compared to last season? They certainly need to fix the way this partial ball looks. It's horrible.

Also, as you say, you are narrowing down the window of when a player is at his peak within MZ. I can see a roll on affect on the transfer market coming which potentially is not good.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By smiller29 - 19-04-2015 09:17

[BotP]

As far as Messi is concerned, the injuries will take their toll. I don't believe that he will ever be the player he was 2 years ago. So.... he's began to deteriorate. With that being said, I would still LOVE to have him on my team even though his skills are deteriorating. Deteriorations just adds one more dimension to the game (albeit one that has already been part of the game in the past). Any addition to the game that makes it more challenging and forces you to make more decisions and tougher decisions, just increases the competitive nature and the fun of the game. And [b]27/28 IS[/b] A [b]FAIR[/b] age to start deteriorations! Like Scruttino said, the players who won the Ballon D'or later in their careers, didn't win it because of their Speed & StaminaAs far as Messi is concerned, the injuries will take their toll. I don't believe that he will ever be the player he was 2 years ago. So.... he's began to deteriorate. With that being said, I would still LOVE to have him on my team even though his skills are deteriorating.

Deteriorations just adds one more dimension to the game (albeit one that has already been part of the game in the past). Any addition to the game that makes it more challenging and forces you to make more decisions and tougher decisions, just increases the competitive nature and the fun of the game.

And 27/28 IS A FAIR age to start deteriorations!

Like Scruttino said, the players who won the Ballon D'or later in their careers, didn't win it because of their Speed & Stamina

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By tosspot - 19-04-2015 09:36

[AUSNZ]

They don't play in a simulator where speed and stamina make up 90% of the useful skills a player has.

smiller29 wrote:

Like Scruttino said, the players who won the Ballon D'or later in their careers, didn't win it because of their Speed & Stamina

They don't play in a simulator where speed and stamina make up 90% of the useful skills a player has.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By darkline - 19-04-2015 10:00

[FLUSA]
President

And don't forget that in real life a player can play at the Top Level and even win a Ballon D'or in the process at 20 y/old.... while in MZ, at 20 y/old he wouldn't even make the bench of any half decent team.And don't forget that in real life a player can play at the Top Level and even win a Ballon D'or in the process at 20 y/old.... while in MZ, at 20 y/old he wouldn't even make the bench of any half decent team.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By scruttino - 19-04-2015 11:16

[AUSNZ]

I agree it's a flaw of the simulator. The next sim sounds like it should fix these problems, but we'll only know when it arrives and that seems a long way off (at least 2-3 years away). Perhaps it's time captaincy meant the player gained an attribute boost to all their skills (including form and experience), which had a lesser flow on affect to the players in the immediate vicinity around him on the pitch wherever he was. Players can get to 9/10 experience by 25/26. By this age even the slowest trainers shouldn't require anymore TC's (though we don't know this for sure yet). So the age at which a players peak in MZ is the period between them achieving their maximum level of experience and the subsequent period of time onwards before they deteriorate. In the worse case scenario that's 2 seasons, at best 4. But players won't immediately become useless when they first begin to deteriorate, they'll have 3-4 good seasons, maybe more if they are 10's beyond that before they lose a complete ball in both speed and stamina. Allowing players to max with partial balls would also help level the skill differential between a current 8-9-10.

tosspot wrote:

They don't play in a simulator where speed and stamina make up 90% of the useful skills a player has.

I agree it's a flaw of the simulator. The next sim sounds like it should fix these problems, but we'll only know when it arrives and that seems a long way off (at least 2-3 years away).

Perhaps it's time captaincy meant the player gained an attribute boost to all their skills (including form and experience), which had a lesser flow on affect to the players in the immediate vicinity around him on the pitch wherever he was.

Players can get to 9/10 experience by 25/26. By this age even the slowest trainers shouldn't require anymore TC's (though we don't know this for sure yet). So the age at which a players peak in MZ is the period between them achieving their maximum level of experience and the subsequent period of time onwards before they deteriorate. In the worse case scenario that's 2 seasons, at best 4. But players won't immediately become useless when they first begin to deteriorate, they'll have 3-4 good seasons, maybe more if they are 10's beyond that before they lose a complete ball in both speed and stamina.

Allowing players to max with partial balls would also help level the skill differential between a current 8-9-10.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By rog - 19-04-2015 19:34

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Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By smiller29 - 21-04-2015 02:39

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i don`t want to do that. far to addicted to go offline (plus maybe there will be some good deals on the transfer market). beyond that, it believe that DETERIORATIONS ARE A GOOD THING!!!! there, i said it.i don`t want to do that. far to addicted to go offline (plus maybe there will be some good deals on the transfer market). beyond that, it believe that DETERIORATIONS ARE A GOOD THING!!!! there, i said it.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By emanski_98 - 21-04-2015 03:22

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President

On your larry with that one day offline nonsense [:S]On your larry with that one day offline nonsense :S

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By webunited - 15-09-2016 20:18

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President

it is wrong to make the average like that to answer the question: When Does A Player Really Peak? if Messi is still winning the Ballon D'or award he has not peaked yet and all the previous data related to him should be deleted if you want this dat to be relevant to answer the question only the last award should be considered same with all the others so to be correct only the following data should be considered: 2015 - Messi (28) 2014 - Ronaldo (29) 2007 - Kaka (25) 2006 - Cannavaro (33) 2005 - Ronaldinho (25) 2003 - Zidane (31) 2001 - Figo (29) 1999 - Rivaldo (27) 1995 - Weah (29) [u][b]which gives an average of [color=red]28.44[/color][/b][/u]it is wrong to make the average like that to answer the question: When Does A Player Really Peak?

if Messi is still winning the Ballon D'or award he has not peaked yet and all the previous data related to him should be deleted if you want this dat to be relevant to answer the question

only the last award should be considered
same with all the others

so to be correct only the following data should be considered:

2015 - Messi (28)
2014 - Ronaldo (29)
2007 - Kaka (25)
2006 - Cannavaro (33)
2005 - Ronaldinho (25)
2003 - Zidane (31)
2001 - Figo (29)
1999 - Rivaldo (27)
1995 - Weah (29)

which gives an average of 28.44

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By webunited - 15-09-2016 20:57

[Sugar]
President

CORRECTION (too much Ronaldos and Ronaldinhos...the Ronaldo from 2002 is not the same as the 2014 one eheh) so to be correct only the following data should be considered: 2015 - Messi (28) 2014 - Ronaldo (29) 2007 - Kaka (25) 2006 - Cannavaro (33) 2005 - Ronaldinho (25) 2003 - Zidane (31) [color=red][b]2002 - Ronaldo (26)[/b][/color] 2001 - Figo (29) 1999 - Rivaldo (27) 1995 - Weah (29) which gives an average of [b][u][color=red]28.20[/color][/u][/b]CORRECTION (too much Ronaldos and Ronaldinhos...the Ronaldo from 2002 is not the same as the 2014 one eheh)


so to be correct only the following data should be considered:

2015 - Messi (28)
2014 - Ronaldo (29)
2007 - Kaka (25)
2006 - Cannavaro (33)
2005 - Ronaldinho (25)
2003 - Zidane (31)
2002 - Ronaldo (26)
2001 - Figo (29)
1999 - Rivaldo (27)
1995 - Weah (29)

which gives an average of 28.20

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By sbrownridge - 16-09-2016 14:35

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From what I've seen from the deterioration, if might even make more sense to spread it out over a little more time: one ball per season for 4 years in stead of 2 per season.From what I've seen from the deterioration, if might even make more sense to spread it out over a little more time: one ball per season for 4 years in stead of 2 per season.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By lam - 17-09-2016 23:42

[Canada]

reduce the amount of effectiveness that speed and stamina play in the sim and we can keep deteriorations. Example, in real life, with 10 being high and 1 being low, I think a real player with 10 speed and 5 BC would be equally effective as a 5 speed 10 BC but in MZ I think the 10 speed is waaaaaaaaaaay better... Right now you can't compare real life ballon d'or winners age with MZ player ages/skills.reduce the amount of effectiveness that speed and stamina play in the sim and we can keep deteriorations. Example, in real life, with 10 being high and 1 being low, I think a real player with 10 speed and 5 BC would be equally effective as a 5 speed 10 BC but in MZ I think the 10 speed is waaaaaaaaaaay better... Right now you can't compare real life ballon d'or winners age with MZ player ages/skills.

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By smiller29 - 18-09-2016 02:58

[BotP]

not really sure I agree with your logic here. if a player wins the ballon d'or 3 years in a row, I would argue that it's the 2nd year that should count. I think you believe that a player has a linear increase in their growth over the 3 years so their 3rd year is the best year, where as I would argue that it's more of a Gaussian curve where the peak happened in year 2. Basically, they won the trophy in year 2 at 100% skill and then they won in year 1 and 3 with 98% skill. regardless, I wrote this article a long time ago when people were complaining about deteriorations saying that 28 wasn't a realistic age to start deteriorating because Ronaldo was the best player (and still getting better) at 30. I just think that Ronaldo is a freak of nature and arguably the best player in the world. obviously there would be exceptions to any rule, but I believe that an average player's BEST years are 26-28. That's not to say they are completely useless at 29/30 - it's just saying that they are gradually starting to slow down and maybe not be quite as effective in the 85th minute as they were a year or 2 ago. Again NOT USELESS - just not quite as good as they once were. The list of winners was meant to demonstrate that there are A LOT of players - Ronaldinho, Kaka, Ronaldo (from Brazil)and until last year Messi - who were at their BEST in their mid 20's. Even Zidane won it at 26,28 & 31. He likely wasn't as fast in 2003 as he was in 2000 or 1998 but he was still good enough to be considered the best and he may have even been better at things like Ball Control, Passing, Player Intel & Set Plays when he entered his 30's. How is Zidane not a PERFECT representation of MZ deteriorations?

webunited wrote:

if Messi is still winning the Ballon D'or award he has not peaked yet and all the previous data related to him should be deleted if you want this dat to be relevant to answer the question

only the last award should be considered
same with all the others

not really sure I agree with your logic here. if a player wins the ballon d'or 3 years in a row, I would argue that it's the 2nd year that should count. I think you believe that a player has a linear increase in their growth over the 3 years so their 3rd year is the best year, where as I would argue that it's more of a Gaussian curve where the peak happened in year 2. Basically, they won the trophy in year 2 at 100% skill and then they won in year 1 and 3 with 98% skill.

regardless, I wrote this article a long time ago when people were complaining about deteriorations saying that 28 wasn't a realistic age to start deteriorating because Ronaldo was the best player (and still getting better) at 30. I just think that Ronaldo is a freak of nature and arguably the best player in the world. obviously there would be exceptions to any rule, but I believe that an average player's BEST years are 26-28. That's not to say they are completely useless at 29/30 - it's just saying that they are gradually starting to slow down and maybe not be quite as effective in the 85th minute as they were a year or 2 ago. Again NOT USELESS - just not quite as good as they once were.

The list of winners was meant to demonstrate that there are A LOT of players - Ronaldinho, Kaka, Ronaldo (from Brazil)and until last year Messi - who were at their BEST in their mid 20's. Even Zidane won it at 26,28 & 31. He likely wasn't as fast in 2003 as he was in 2000 or 1998 but he was still good enough to be considered the best and he may have even been better at things like Ball Control, Passing, Player Intel & Set Plays when he entered his 30's. How is Zidane not a PERFECT representation of MZ deteriorations?

Edited: 18-09-2016 03:03
Total edits: 2

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By smiller29 - 18-09-2016 03:05

[BotP]

and doesn't the average age of 28.2 really just drive home the point that MZ picked the correct age to start deteriorations?

webunited wrote:

so to be correct only the following data should be considered:

2015 - Messi (28)
2014 - Ronaldo (29)
2007 - Kaka (25)
2006 - Cannavaro (33)
2005 - Ronaldinho (25)
2003 - Zidane (31)
2002 - Ronaldo (26)
2001 - Figo (29)
1999 - Rivaldo (27)
1995 - Weah (29)

which gives an average of 28.20

and doesn't the average age of 28.2 really just drive home the point that MZ picked the correct age to start deteriorations?

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By troyh65 - 18-09-2016 05:25

[Juve]

It's about right, given those statistics. However, the problem lies in the fact that it totally ruined the financial balance. If you allow your player to play beyond the first deterioration, then there is no recoup on the amount money you've spent. He is worth next zero. So in fact, you have teams selling players on their peak '28.2' to try and get something back for all the hard work and cost management it took to build the squad in the first place. So you find teams don't play beyond this peak number. (If they do, they will have little to no chance to build a decent team and begin again through lack of finances) This reduces your time with the team from about, as before you could have a competitive team until they were in their mid 30's. And you have a reduced time of winning (I believe about 2 seasons - Approx. 27 & 28 yo's). Reduced time doesn't mean it is better

smiller29 wrote:

and doesn't the average age of 28.2 really just drive home the point that MZ picked the correct age to start deteriorations?

It's about right, given those statistics. However, the problem lies in the fact that it totally ruined the financial balance. If you allow your player to play beyond the first deterioration, then there is no recoup on the amount money you've spent. He is worth next zero. So in fact, you have teams selling players on their peak '28.2' to try and get something back for all the hard work and cost management it took to build the squad in the first place.

So you find teams don't play beyond this peak number. (If they do, they will have little to no chance to build a decent team and begin again through lack of finances) This reduces your time with the team from about, as before you could have a competitive team until they were in their mid 30's. And you have a reduced time of winning (I believe about 2 seasons - Approx. 27 & 28 yo's).

Reduced time doesn't mean it is better

Re: When Does A Player Really Peak?

By smiller29 - 18-09-2016 06:42

[BotP]

No doubt about the effect deteriorations have had on the transfer market. I usually just pay the physio cost for 2 years to move the deteriorations back to 30 and absorb the hit on selling the player. Most of the time the cost of the physio is nothing compared to the purchase price of the player. I think the value of 28 year olds has diminished greatly too as people fear the upcoming deteriorations and don't want to pay the physio costs. The problem is that most of my players aren't fully complete at 27. A lot of them aren't even done training when they're 30 so at least they are still training in some skill and getting better while they are deteriorating. I've posted this before, but in my opinion they should really adjust the Experience to counteract the deteriorations. I'd love to see players not be able to reach 10 Experience until they are at least 28 (or even 30) so that you have 2 seasons of absolute peak play (with the purchase of a physio). Once they turn 30 they might start to diminish in Speed & Stamina but they'd still have the experience over a 25-28 year old, plus the extra training in things like Heading, Set Plays, and other late training categories. I'm not really sure how or why this post got drudged back up as it was written 19 months ago. It seems like I'm forever defending deteriorations. Honestly though, I just like any aspect of the game that makes it more difficult and requires managers to make tough decisions. Bottom line, we are all subject to the same deteriorations so it shouldn't give anybody an advantage over another manager.No doubt about the effect deteriorations have had on the transfer market. I usually just pay the physio cost for 2 years to move the deteriorations back to 30 and absorb the hit on selling the player. Most of the time the cost of the physio is nothing compared to the purchase price of the player. I think the value of 28 year olds has diminished greatly too as people fear the upcoming deteriorations and don't want to pay the physio costs. The problem is that most of my players aren't fully complete at 27. A lot of them aren't even done training when they're 30 so at least they are still training in some skill and getting better while they are deteriorating.

I've posted this before, but in my opinion they should really adjust the Experience to counteract the deteriorations. I'd love to see players not be able to reach 10 Experience until they are at least 28 (or even 30) so that you have 2 seasons of absolute peak play (with the purchase of a physio). Once they turn 30 they might start to diminish in Speed & Stamina but they'd still have the experience over a 25-28 year old, plus the extra training in things like Heading, Set Plays, and other late training categories.

I'm not really sure how or why this post got drudged back up as it was written 19 months ago. It seems like I'm forever defending deteriorations. Honestly though, I just like any aspect of the game that makes it more difficult and requires managers to make tough decisions. Bottom line, we are all subject to the same deteriorations so it shouldn't give anybody an advantage over another manager.

 

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