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reduce the number of goals!

By sanan - 20-08-2010 13:46

honestly ...when was the last time you saw natural results like 1-0, 2-0, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 3-1 or 3-0? I lose games with funny results like 7-4 or 6-4. and win games with even funnier results like 9-7, 5-4 or 8-5! would be more natural and better if the matches had less goals. don't you think?honestly ...when was the last time you saw natural results like 1-0, 2-0, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 3-1 or 3-0?

I lose games with funny results like 7-4 or 6-4. and win games with even funnier results like 9-7, 5-4 or 8-5!

would be more natural and better if the matches had less goals. don't you think?

 

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Re: reduce the number of goals!

By vivasvan20 (MA) - 16-09-2010 19:43

[MRUS]

how bout 15-0:Phow bout 15-0:P

Odp: reduce the number of goals!

By pablito1987 - 23-09-2010 13:33

[BVB]

Results like in '50 :-)Results like in '50 :-)

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By leroyf - 23-09-2010 16:29

I agree. Goals should be reduced. no team no matter how good scores 8 to 9 goals every other game.I agree. Goals should be reduced. no team no matter how good scores 8 to 9 goals every other game.

Odp: reduce the number of goals!

By pablito1987 - 30-09-2010 10:11

[BVB]

It depends of goalkeeper i think/ They are just not good enough.It depends of goalkeeper i think/ They are just not good enough.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By wixx - 01-10-2010 17:27

I've seen many threads about this issue lately. I think crew must have a look at it now since many users complaining about it. I also think that they should be reduced.I've seen many threads about this issue lately. I think crew must have a look at it now since many users complaining about it. I also think that they should be reduced.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 08-10-2010 14:52

http://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=8345036&forum_id=13&sport=soccer here is a wider and similar topic.http://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=8345036&forum_id=13&sport=soccer

here is a wider and similar topic.

Odp: reduce the number of goals!

By ksruch_chorzow1920 - 13-10-2010 21:19

[PLN]

The results are good. Chelsea also won 5-0 and it is wellThe results are good. Chelsea also won 5-0 and it is well

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By kimboz - 14-10-2010 14:48

i agree 100% real football is so beautiful because the results are erratic and unforeseenable. Decreasing the goal frequency will make MZ a bit more random, and we will all benefit from thati agree 100%
real football is so beautiful because the results are erratic and unforeseenable.
Decreasing the goal frequency will make MZ a bit more random, and we will all benefit from that

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 20-10-2010 11:30

ksruch_chorzow1920, you think results like 3:10, 6:2, 5:4, 6:3 are fine? tell me, how many 0:0, 1:0, 1:1, 2:0 results have you seen in real football and on managerzone? when you think about that do you still think common football results with less than three goals scored per game are not right for managerzone? if the new sim (i understand it starts next, 37th season) does not correct this stupidity, i'm outta here!ksruch_chorzow1920, you think results like 3:10, 6:2, 5:4, 6:3 are fine? tell me, how many 0:0, 1:0, 1:1, 2:0 results have you seen in real football and on managerzone? when you think about that do you still think common football results with less than three goals scored per game are not right for managerzone?

if the new sim (i understand it starts next, 37th season) does not correct this stupidity, i'm outta here!

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By sasha76 - 04-11-2010 15:53

I think that the starting point of your criticism is completely wrong. To simply say that the scores are too high compared to those in real football is a weak and overly simplified argument. The game developer could then simply respond by making the games e.g. half as long. Then 3:10 would become 2:5, 6:3 = 3:1 etc. So, you would have this problem solved but the question would remain whether the game as a whole would be any better by this change. The match engine (SIM) is the heart of every sports manager games and it is extremely difficult to get the right balance as there is simply too many factors influencing the game. Making simple criticism like this is not something smart nor useful. If making a good SIM would be as simple as this, then there would be many match engines that are better than MZ's and there aren't (m)any. Most online football managers don't even have a real SIM but only textual ones. Correct me if I'm wrong, but apart from MZ, I know that only Sokker has a respectable REAL match engine. By real I mean that you can actually SEE the influence of each and every player's actions on the game's final result. And this being at least almost realistic is already a major accomplishment by itself.I think that the starting point of your criticism is completely wrong. To simply say that the scores are too high compared to those in real football is a weak and overly simplified argument.

The game developer could then simply respond by making the games e.g. half as long. Then 3:10 would become 2:5, 6:3 = 3:1 etc. So, you would have this problem solved but the question would remain whether the game as a whole would be any better by this change.

The match engine (SIM) is the heart of every sports manager games and it is extremely difficult to get the right balance as there is simply too many factors influencing the game. Making simple criticism like this is not something smart nor useful. If making a good SIM would be as simple as this, then there would be many match engines that are better than MZ's and there aren't (m)any.

Most online football managers don't even have a real SIM but only textual ones. Correct me if I'm wrong, but apart from MZ, I know that only Sokker has a respectable REAL match engine. By real I mean that you can actually SEE the influence of each and every player's actions on the game's final result. And this being at least almost realistic is already a major accomplishment by itself.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 04-11-2010 21:47

dear friend sasha76, i think we all shared constructive criticism here and haven't debated as computer programmers do. we are football fans who like football, nothing more, so i think if we work together, we can create wonders!dear friend sasha76, i think we all shared constructive criticism here and haven't debated as computer programmers do. we are football fans who like football, nothing more, so i think if we work together, we can create wonders!

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By sasha76 - 05-11-2010 10:29

Dear co-user Gregor. My point was that the discussion here is nowhere near constructive criticism. I have read both of your threads on this topic and I have mostly found people yelling "reduce goals!". That's called a protest and not criticism. Simplification of the problem is not helping its solution but the other way around. Also, we are not working together here. We are simply discussing a product as clients. Clients are not working together. They can give feedback on the product but the actual work is something much more serious and difficult than the feedback. It's a simmilar difference between being a friend and a co-user. I think everyone here agrees that the results should be more simmilar to real football. Same as everyone agrees that you should stop repeating yourself.Dear co-user Gregor. My point was that the discussion here is nowhere near constructive criticism. I have read both of your threads on this topic and I have mostly found people yelling "reduce goals!". That's called a protest and not criticism. Simplification of the problem is not helping its solution but the other way around.
Also, we are not working together here. We are simply discussing a product as clients. Clients are not working together. They can give feedback on the product but the actual work is something much more serious and difficult than the feedback. It's a simmilar difference between being a friend and a co-user.
I think everyone here agrees that the results should be more simmilar to real football. Same as everyone agrees that you should stop repeating yourself.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 05-11-2010 13:18

sasha76, i do agree with you we need to make simulatiors as real as possible, but all users of forums everywhere around the globe work together and each post is voluntary work. and we all know that ideas can create worlds. and even words, not worlds, 'reduce the goals' tend to be constructive as they help those of us who have time to share more words on the matter making those words heard by the developers. having more than twenty years of experience in playing football manager simulations all the way from comodorre 64 to internet simulation and being brother to computer genius made me closer to such kind of games liking them, loving them so much i desperately try to help people in charge. maybe that is the mania that lies behind me repeating myself. :) cheers!sasha76, i do agree with you we need to make simulatiors as real as possible, but all users of forums everywhere around the globe work together and each post is voluntary work. and we all know that ideas can create worlds. and even words, not worlds, 'reduce the goals' tend to be constructive as they help those of us who have time to share more words on the matter making those words heard by the developers.

having more than twenty years of experience in playing football manager simulations all the way from comodorre 64 to internet simulation and being brother to computer genius made me closer to such kind of games liking them, loving them so much i desperately try to help people in charge. maybe that is the mania that lies behind me repeating myself. :)

cheers!

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By cm3 - 25-11-2010 22:44

Is this the kind of game that you want? The statistics look very boring to me. http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=447583407Is this the kind of game that you want? The statistics look very boring to me.

http://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=447583407

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By nemira - 28-11-2010 20:32

[FF]

i lose 20-0=))) yes romania-my team ...but this match was about 2,3 months ago. is a very good ideai lose 20-0=)))

yes romania-my team ...but this match was about 2,3 months ago.


is a very good idea

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By dafranca - 01-12-2010 04:48

In real soccer the most goals scored in a game was 149x0 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2002/nov/01/newsstory.sport5 The biggest score in a international futboll was 31-0: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=4395/preliminaries/preliminary=3863/matches/match=22243/report.html I dont want 0x0 ---In real soccer the most goals scored in a game was 149x0

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2002/nov/01/newsstory.sport5

The biggest score in a international futboll was 31-0:
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=4395/preliminaries/preliminary=3863/matches/match=22243/report.html

I dont want 0x0
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Re: reduce the number of goals!

By leroyf - 08-12-2010 18:35

cm3 I would take those results any day than those unbelievable results that comes up. how would u like to lose 12,13,10,9,15 nil every game you play? come on man be real. game or not it need respectability.cm3 I would take those results any day than those unbelievable results that comes up. how would u like to lose 12,13,10,9,15 nil every game you play? come on man be real. game or not it need respectability.

Ant: reduce the number of goals!

By mno74 - 08-12-2010 20:21

[WFF]
President

I think the simulation works well. Less than a month ago In the Ere divisie in Holland PSV Eindhoven won from Feyenoord with 10-0. If a team sucks, it gets a lot of goals in their net ;-)I think the simulation works well. Less than a month ago In the Ere divisie in Holland PSV Eindhoven won from Feyenoord with 10-0. If a team sucks, it gets a lot of goals in their net ;-)

Απ: reduce the number of goals!

By konstas - 14-12-2010 11:05

I totaly agree with people that say that there are too many goals. But i totaly agree with sasha when he says that most of the people are just protesting, without giving any suggestions. So i'll try to be constructive. Have we ever wonder why the goals are so many? We know that in other threads people complain that strikers miss easy goals when left alone with the keeper. So if we fix this, goals should be even more ! So what is the problem, why goals are so many? Of course there are a lot of things that lead to this, but IMO the main reasons are two : 1) Unrealistic defender behaviour. In mz world, when defenders are left in a dangerous situation, they dont behave reasonably. They always try to STEAL and take possesion of the ball from the attacker, while in real life footbal their first priority would be just to hit the ball anyway they can so the attacker will lose its possesion. Then, in the second phase, the reast of the defenders (or even themselves) can take possesion of the ball. In mz life this doesnt happen. The defenders manage to steal the ball, or commit a foul, or most of the times just accomplish nothing and the striker is free to take his shot 2) Strikers have the ball stuck on them when they run. No matter how good or bad bc they have, strikers dont ever lose the control of the ball (unless there is a succesfull tackle from a defender). Strikers can lose the ball due to a bad conntrol ONLY when the ball reaches them at the first time. After that the ball is "glued" on their shoes.I totaly agree with people that say that there are too many goals.

But i totaly agree with sasha when he says that most of the people are just protesting, without giving any suggestions. So i'll try to be constructive.

Have we ever wonder why the goals are so many?

We know that in other threads people complain that strikers miss easy goals when left alone with the keeper. So if we fix this, goals should be even more !

So what is the problem, why goals are so many?
Of course there are a lot of things that lead to this, but IMO the main reasons are two :

1) Unrealistic defender behaviour. In mz world, when defenders are left in a dangerous situation, they dont behave reasonably. They always try to STEAL and take possesion of the ball from the attacker, while in real life footbal their first priority would be just to hit the ball anyway they can so the attacker will lose its possesion. Then, in the second phase, the reast of the defenders (or even themselves) can take possesion of the ball. In mz life this doesnt happen. The defenders manage to steal the ball, or commit a foul, or most of the times just accomplish nothing and the striker is free to take his shot

2) Strikers have the ball stuck on them when they run. No matter how good or bad bc they have, strikers dont ever lose the control of the ball (unless there is a succesfull tackle from a defender). Strikers can lose the ball due to a bad conntrol ONLY when the ball reaches them at the first time. After that the ball is "glued" on their shoes.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 31-03-2011 10:08

(reducing the number of goals would also increase the number of drawn matches which in real football are about 20-30% of all matches but here only 2-5%)(reducing the number of goals would also increase the number of drawn matches which in real football are about 20-30% of all matches but here only 2-5%)

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 31-03-2011 10:20

good results (normal scoring): Round 20 - 3/27/2011 9:30am Arsenal FC - NK Dinamo Zagreb 3/27/2011 9:30am 0-0 Bald City - Volki 3/27/2011 9:30am 2-1 FC Maribor - F.c IžaNKa 3/27/2011 9:30am 2-2 Ajdovščina - NK Vintarjevec99 3/27/2011 9:30am 2-1 Vrhpolje FC - Kobarid 3/27/2011 9:30am 1-4 Mighty Dragons Ljubljana - Ribnica 3/27/2011 9:30am 3-1 bad results (bit too much goals per game): Round 21 - 3/30/2011 1:00pm NK Dinamo Zagreb - Mighty Dragons Ljubljana 3/30/2011 1:00pm 6-1 Ribnica - Vrhpolje FC 3/30/2011 1:00pm 3-1 Kobarid - Ajdovščina 3/30/2011 1:00pm 3-3 NK Vintarjevec99 - FC Maribor 3/30/2011 1:00pm 2-5 F.c IžaNKa - Bald City 3/30/2011 1:00pm 3-4 Volki - Arsenal FC 3/30/2011 1:00pm 3-0 cheers mateys!good results (normal scoring):

Round 20 - 3/27/2011 9:30am
Arsenal FC - NK Dinamo Zagreb 3/27/2011 9:30am 0-0
Bald City - Volki 3/27/2011 9:30am 2-1
FC Maribor - F.c IžaNKa 3/27/2011 9:30am 2-2
Ajdovščina - NK Vintarjevec99 3/27/2011 9:30am 2-1
Vrhpolje FC - Kobarid 3/27/2011 9:30am 1-4
Mighty Dragons Ljubljana - Ribnica 3/27/2011 9:30am 3-1


bad results (bit too much goals per game):

Round 21 - 3/30/2011 1:00pm
NK Dinamo Zagreb - Mighty Dragons Ljubljana 3/30/2011 1:00pm 6-1
Ribnica - Vrhpolje FC 3/30/2011 1:00pm 3-1
Kobarid - Ajdovščina 3/30/2011 1:00pm 3-3
NK Vintarjevec99 - FC Maribor 3/30/2011 1:00pm 2-5
F.c IžaNKa - Bald City 3/30/2011 1:00pm 3-4
Volki - Arsenal FC 3/30/2011 1:00pm 3-0


cheers mateys!

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 31-03-2011 10:21

in 20 and 21 round we all see only 2 drawn matches out of 12!in 20 and 21 round we all see only 2 drawn matches out of 12!

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 31-03-2011 10:23

correction, i meant in 20 where there were lower scores there are 2, in 21 where there were too much goals only 1.correction, i meant in 20 where there were lower scores there are 2, in 21 where there were too much goals only 1.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 31-03-2011 10:23

btw: there are most rounds without a single drawn game!!!btw: there are most rounds without a single drawn game!!!

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By fabien7 - 03-04-2011 10:43

no, the scores are ok. U must remember ther in real soccer there are also such scores when it's match between one well and secend weak team e.g. barcelona 5:0 real. however when two teams are in this same level result is more normal e.g. last match in premiera division real mardid 0:1 gjon. thxno, the scores are ok. U must remember ther in real soccer there are also such scores when it's match between one well and secend weak team e.g. barcelona 5:0 real. however when two teams are in this same level result is more normal e.g. last match in premiera division real mardid 0:1 gjon.
thx

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 07-04-2011 10:01

mate, how about 5:4 and 4:3 results? and how about there are no 0:0 scores? and how about there is almost no drawn matches? i think we are playing the same sim core as ice-hockey side of mz!mate, how about 5:4 and 4:3 results? and how about there are no 0:0 scores? and how about there is almost no drawn matches?

i think we are playing the same sim core as ice-hockey side of mz!

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By mahel11 - 20-04-2011 05:49

What r u guys talking about?I rarely score more than 3 goals or get scored more than 3 times on.What r u guys talking about?I rarely score more than 3 goals or get scored more than 3 times on.

Vs: reduce the number of goals!

By imonimo - 29-04-2011 21:02

today i played cup match 0-0 ! shots 26-6.today i played cup match 0-0 ! shots 26-6.

Ce: reduce the number of goals!

By halitosk - 29-04-2011 22:23

I've had lots of matches recently with sensible results like 3-2, 1-1, 2-1....on the other hand there are few results with many goals...so i think it's up to opponent team and what formation and tactic you use.I've had lots of matches recently with sensible results like 3-2, 1-1, 2-1....on the other hand there are few results with many goals...so i think it's up to opponent team and what formation and tactic you use.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 06-06-2011 13:45

simulator is a bit better now. i love the random. it is just right this season. thank you for that, mateys. the only thing that bothers me is still too much goals scored. there is still not enough drawn matches which is the proof the results are football like and not ice-hockey like. halitosk, i am afraid there are games with both teams playing 5-3-2 that end up like 3:3 or 4:3 or 2:5 or something. if both teams choose to play cattenaggio, then the resulst should be 0:0, 1:0 or 1:1 or even 2:0, maximal 2:1. if a poor team choses to play 5-4-1 bunker against a stronger side, the stronger side should win 1, 2 or 3 nil at most and not 7:1 or so. there are no such differences in today's football. guys, put your minds to footbal practice. i am closely monitoring world football more than 20 years now and have lots of experience in that field and also in field of football manager simulations since my brother was developing a football simulator back in dos times and i helped him a lot with that. so, please, make results more logic. random is cool, but you should also try to fix the game play. if the underdogs choose to play 4-3-3 against a big side, they would trash 0:6, but if they choose to play bunker, men behind the ball or like 5-4-1 or 4-5-1, they should toss the game 0:3 or 1:4 (scoring a goal from a break). this is football mateys and simulator is getting better and better and i hope it only gets more real from season to season. in real world results like 3:3 are not as often as 0:0 but in this game are. and if they are indeed, then there is little to difference the game could end in favour of one of the teams and not being drawn like it is in an 0:0 encounter with less chances and more tactics than technique. cheers mateys!simulator is a bit better now. i love the random. it is just right this season. thank you for that, mateys.

the only thing that bothers me is still too much goals scored. there is still not enough drawn matches which is the proof the results are football like and not ice-hockey like.

halitosk, i am afraid there are games with both teams playing 5-3-2 that end up like 3:3 or 4:3 or 2:5 or something. if both teams choose to play cattenaggio, then the resulst should be 0:0, 1:0 or 1:1 or even 2:0, maximal 2:1. if a poor team choses to play 5-4-1 bunker against a stronger side, the stronger side should win 1, 2 or 3 nil at most and not 7:1 or so. there are no such differences in today's football.

guys, put your minds to footbal practice. i am closely monitoring world football more than 20 years now and have lots of experience in that field and also in field of football manager simulations since my brother was developing a football simulator back in dos times and i helped him a lot with that.

so, please, make results more logic. random is cool, but you should also try to fix the game play. if the underdogs choose to play 4-3-3 against a big side, they would trash 0:6, but if they choose to play bunker, men behind the ball or like 5-4-1 or 4-5-1, they should toss the game 0:3 or 1:4 (scoring a goal from a break). this is football mateys and simulator is getting better and better and i hope it only gets more real from season to season. in real world results like 3:3 are not as often as 0:0 but in this game are. and if they are indeed, then there is little to difference the game could end in favour of one of the teams and not being drawn like it is in an 0:0 encounter with less chances and more tactics than technique.

cheers mateys!

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 09-06-2011 13:31

for example: mz results: Round 15 Volki - Rakek 3 - 2 Ribnica - Schwerk FC 4 - 1 Mighty Dragons Ljubljana - nk selnica 5 - 2 Vrhpolje FC - Bald City 0 - 4 Litija - Slovenija 5 - 1 Goričica FC - Kostel 13 - 0 real results (apx half goal lower average which would bring more clean sheets): Round 15 Volki - Rakek 2 - 1 Ribnica - Schwerk FC 2 - 0 Mighty Dragons Ljubljana - nk selnica 3 - 1 Vrhpolje FC - Bald City 0 - 2 Litija - Slovenija 3 - 0 Goričica FC - Kostel 7 - 0 take good care, mateys, regards, gregorfor example:

mz results:
Round 15
Volki - Rakek 3 - 2
Ribnica - Schwerk FC 4 - 1
Mighty Dragons Ljubljana - nk selnica 5 - 2
Vrhpolje FC - Bald City 0 - 4
Litija - Slovenija 5 - 1
Goričica FC - Kostel 13 - 0

real results (apx half goal lower average which would bring more clean sheets):
Round 15
Volki - Rakek 2 - 1
Ribnica - Schwerk FC 2 - 0
Mighty Dragons Ljubljana - nk selnica 3 - 1
Vrhpolje FC - Bald City 0 - 2
Litija - Slovenija 3 - 0
Goričica FC - Kostel 7 - 0

take good care, mateys, regards,

gregor

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 12-06-2011 15:54

another example (just dividing by 2, giving 0,5 to home and taking 0,5 from away): mz results (this round the results were absurd!): Round 16 nk selnica - Ribnica 2:6 Rakek - Mighty Dragons Ljubljana 7:2 Schwerk FC - Volki 2:3 Kostel - Litija 3:7 Bald City - Goričica FC 3:2 Slovenija - Vrhpolje FC 1:6 real results (apx half goal lower average which would bring more clean sheets): Round 16 nk selnica - Ribnica 1:3 Rakek - Mighty Dragons Ljubljana 4:1 Schwerk FC - Volki 1:1 Kostel - Litija 2:3 Bald City - Goričica FC 2:1 Slovenija - Vrhpolje FC 1:3another example (just dividing by 2, giving 0,5 to home and taking 0,5 from away):

mz results (this round the results were absurd!):
Round 16
nk selnica - Ribnica 2:6
Rakek - Mighty Dragons Ljubljana 7:2
Schwerk FC - Volki 2:3
Kostel - Litija 3:7
Bald City - Goričica FC 3:2
Slovenija - Vrhpolje FC 1:6

real results (apx half goal lower average which would bring more clean sheets):
Round 16
nk selnica - Ribnica 1:3
Rakek - Mighty Dragons Ljubljana 4:1
Schwerk FC - Volki 1:1
Kostel - Litija 2:3
Bald City - Goričica FC 2:1
Slovenija - Vrhpolje FC 1:3

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By pho_oenix - 12-06-2011 17:29

[INDIA]

i had been winning or drawing my games against teams much better than me,until last 1-2 weeks i have been losing(high margin).so basically u chosse 1 blame the sim for losing against weaker side or 2 blame the no. of goals in a match. but there's also the case of my bro.he has a gd side n was winning against gd sides in the same fl(group) was 3rd. but all of a sudden in last 2weeks his 9 ball 4 sta keeper is letting in 90% of long shots.i had been winning or drawing my games against teams much better than me,until last 1-2 weeks i have been losing(high margin).so basically u chosse
1 blame the sim for losing against weaker side
or
2 blame the no. of goals in a match.

but there's also the case of my bro.he has a gd side n was winning against gd sides in the same fl(group) was 3rd. but all of a sudden in last 2weeks his 9 ball 4 sta keeper is letting in 90% of long shots.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 15-06-2011 12:27

i hate 5:3 and similar results between two good sides. in my division all sides are good and active and three are great (mainly high maxed players). these results are shite and i think something should be done about that. if some lame users want lots of goals in football then let them go and play ice-hockey! cheers!i hate 5:3 and similar results between two good sides. in my division all sides are good and active and three are great (mainly high maxed players). these results are shite and i think something should be done about that. if some lame users want lots of goals in football then let them go and play ice-hockey!

cheers!

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By dominicmbanu - 12-07-2011 18:00

yh but it depends on the class of the different teams how much goals is scoredyh but it depends on the class of the different teams how much goals is scored

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 18-07-2011 14:34

dominicmbanu, we don't mean that. we're talking about 5:4 results here. the goalscoring average in mz is around 6 goals per match but in real football it's around 3 goals per match. there seems to be impossible in mz for keeper to get a clean sheet which happens in real football in average every fourth game. 25% for an average keeper to have a clean sheet, 25% to let one in, 20% to let two in, 15% to let three in 10% to let four in and finally 5% to let more than four in.dominicmbanu, we don't mean that. we're talking about 5:4 results here. the goalscoring average in mz is around 6 goals per match but in real football it's around 3 goals per match. there seems to be impossible in mz for keeper to get a clean sheet which happens in real football in average every fourth game. 25% for an average keeper to have a clean sheet, 25% to let one in, 20% to let two in, 15% to let three in 10% to let four in and finally 5% to let more than four in.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By ivanbd - 20-07-2011 19:58

i think less goals would make the results more random, right?i think less goals would make the results more random, right?

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By kennizer6 - 27-07-2011 18:23

Guys the reason that the goals are high is because the other team is clearly better than the other team. Like this it's like having the Brazilian National Team vs. My School Soccer Team. If it's 20-0 I wouldn't be surprised :P All I'm saying it depends on the goalie and the skill from both teams...Guys the reason that the goals are high is because the other team is clearly better than the other team. Like this it's like having the Brazilian National Team vs. My School Soccer Team. If it's 20-0 I wouldn't be surprised :P All I'm saying it depends on the goalie and the skill from both teams...

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 28-07-2011 00:23

ivanbd, that too. and random is great, because we love random in real football. but it would also improve clean sheets and draws. this game does not have such goalkeeping records as real keepers who locked their goals (remember jashin, zoff, schmeichel, seaman, buffon, van der saar, etc - all those keepers that sometimes averaged less than a goal per game). in this game keepers and defenders are too primitive. this is the main problem. we thought new sim would improve keepers as it promised but instead of that more goals are pouring in which is really sad and boring. kennizer6, i think you read this forum thread too fast. we're not talking about difference among two teams here. how about 1:0 results instead of 4:3 or 5:4? what's the last time you had 0:0 result? you ever got one? you should have such result every few matches (let's say you're part of active division with almost the same strong teams) but the sim is not real. a match scores twice or thrice as much(speaking about goals from both teams together) as there are goals in real game. this bothers lots of football fans. also for those who support high scoring games (which is dull if you ask me - football with no defence is idiotic): we must not forget that we are managers and not fans. the tactics is our field of expertise which is deeper than shallow attraction. cheers mateys, baldieivanbd, that too. and random is great, because we love random in real football. but it would also improve clean sheets and draws. this game does not have such goalkeeping records as real keepers who locked their goals (remember jashin, zoff, schmeichel, seaman, buffon, van der saar, etc - all those keepers that sometimes averaged less than a goal per game). in this game keepers and defenders are too primitive. this is the main problem. we thought new sim would improve keepers as it promised but instead of that more goals are pouring in which is really sad and boring.

kennizer6, i think you read this forum thread too fast. we're not talking about difference among two teams here. how about 1:0 results instead of 4:3 or 5:4? what's the last time you had 0:0 result? you ever got one? you should have such result every few matches (let's say you're part of active division with almost the same strong teams) but the sim is not real. a match scores twice or thrice as much(speaking about goals from both teams together) as there are goals in real game. this bothers lots of football fans.

also for those who support high scoring games (which is dull if you ask me - football with no defence is idiotic): we must not forget that we are managers and not fans. the tactics is our field of expertise which is deeper than shallow attraction.

cheers mateys,

baldie

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 28-07-2011 00:29

A SUGGESTION FOR THE DEVELOPERS: if you're worried you would sell less celebrations if there were half less goals per match scored, then i would like to suggest you invent goal keepers parades when saving. you should not loose much money - even earn some more token favours. what do you say, mateys?A SUGGESTION FOR THE DEVELOPERS:

if you're worried you would sell less celebrations if there were half less goals per match scored, then i would like to suggest you invent goal keepers parades when saving. you should not loose much money - even earn some more token favours. what do you say, mateys?

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By kennizer6 - 29-07-2011 16:04

@gregorrozman I read it pretty carefully now lol. To me yes it's kind of true.... I wonder how and why other teams just go through my defense O.o It's kind of strange that way. And goalkeepers need to be a bit more good. I wouldn't blame them for close range shots but far range... And I disagree with your idea but not fully disagree it. When it's in penelty then let him make a parade but when he just saves it and make a parade over it. Managerzone Crew aren't the best in the world so the game may become glitchy. So because the goalkeeper was celebrating for a save the other team made a goal. xD@gregorrozman

I read it pretty carefully now lol. To me yes it's kind of true.... I wonder how and why other teams just go through my defense O.o It's kind of strange that way. And goalkeepers need to be a bit more good. I wouldn't blame them for close range shots but far range...

And I disagree with your idea but not fully disagree it. When it's in penelty then let him make a parade but when he just saves it and make a parade over it. Managerzone Crew aren't the best in the world so the game may become glitchy. So because the goalkeeper was celebrating for a save the other team made a goal. xD

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 07-09-2011 10:13

kennizer6, i was not thinking of celebrating saves but keeper parades. there are more parades visible this season, when a slow ball gets toward the goal and keeper beautifully falls to his side and grabs it. let them just make less goals and we could all be happy, enjoying in MORE DRAWN MATCHES and CLEAN SHEETS and PROPER FOOTBALL RESULTS.kennizer6, i was not thinking of celebrating saves but keeper parades. there are more parades visible this season, when a slow ball gets toward the goal and keeper beautifully falls to his side and grabs it.

let them just make less goals and we could all be happy, enjoying in MORE DRAWN MATCHES and CLEAN SHEETS and PROPER FOOTBALL RESULTS.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 14-09-2011 12:17

according to official statistics http://www.managerzone.com/thezone/paper.php?paper_id=9421&sport=soccer&page=8 an average match ends at 3:2 or 3:3 result. is this football, mateys? are there 5:5 results as often as 1:1 results in real football? i think not.according to official statistics
http://www.managerzone.com/thezone/paper.php?paper_id=9421&sport=soccer&page=8
an average match ends at 3:2 or 3:3 result.

is this football, mateys? are there 5:5 results as often as 1:1 results in real football?

i think not.

Re: reduce the number of goals!

By gregorrozman - 14-09-2011 12:20

ps: home : away = 2,7 : 2,5. i think this average should be at most 1,7 : 1,2. bigger difference between home and away would also be welcome.ps: home : away = 2,7 : 2,5. i think this average should be at most 1,7 : 1,2. bigger difference between home and away would also be welcome.

 

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