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The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By coswin - 26-10-2022 13:45

[FRF]

Hi all, I'm sure that this is a topic that has been discussed in depth in the past or on different threads, but I couldn't find any discussion when searching for it. I believe the title states the issue clearly. For a long time the community seems to have accepted that "scout matches are just useless" and we don't even bring it up anymore, but then I have to ask the crew, why do we even have them in the first place? As it's a paid service (you can buy instant matches with Power Tokens - it also makes me wonder, why do we as community accept that a paid service is simply broken? For anything else that you buy online and would have this behaviour, you'd probably return it or report it. I believe that I don't have to go in the details on why the service itself is broken, as I expect everyone is aware of the issues, but to clarify: it's about all the scout matches that have outrageous different outcomes compared to the official matches. Very often you'll find that matches played with the exact same tactics have completely opposite results when played. And I'm not referring to a 10-20% difference, that is acceptable in my opinion. I'm referring to situations where you win 3 scout matches with 4-5 goals difference and you have up to 3 times more scoring chances than the opponent, while in the 'actual' match the situation is completely flipped. If needed I can provide examples, but I'd prefer to save the effort - as I said, I believe it's a widely 'known issue'. I'd like to hear other managers' opinion on this and what's the official position from the crew on it.Hi all,

I'm sure that this is a topic that has been discussed in depth in the past or on different threads, but I couldn't find any discussion when searching for it.

I believe the title states the issue clearly.
For a long time the community seems to have accepted that "scout matches are just useless" and we don't even bring it up anymore, but then I have to ask the crew, why do we even have them in the first place?

As it's a paid service (you can buy instant matches with Power Tokens - it also makes me wonder, why do we as community accept that a paid service is simply broken? For anything else that you buy online and would have this behaviour, you'd probably return it or report it.

I believe that I don't have to go in the details on why the service itself is broken, as I expect everyone is aware of the issues, but to clarify: it's about all the scout matches that have outrageous different outcomes compared to the official matches. Very often you'll find that matches played with the exact same tactics have completely opposite results when played. And I'm not referring to a 10-20% difference, that is acceptable in my opinion. I'm referring to situations where you win 3 scout matches with 4-5 goals difference and you have up to 3 times more scoring chances than the opponent, while in the 'actual' match the situation is completely flipped. If needed I can provide examples, but I'd prefer to save the effort - as I said, I believe it's a widely 'known issue'.

I'd like to hear other managers' opinion on this and what's the official position from the crew on it.

 

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Ant: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By mwosle (FA) - 26-10-2022 14:02

[DISCLL]

You can't state a problem without examples or proof. The more of these examples you have, the better.You can't state a problem without examples or proof. The more of these examples you have, the better.

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By darkline - 26-10-2022 14:17

[FLUSA]
President

The "problem" with the scout is that scout games are not influenced by any negative or positive boosts so you can really appreciate how random the SIM really is. I'll explain this a bit, I got together with a few fellow managers and did a little experiment a few years ago and we played 4/5 leagues with the same teams and same tactic for all games. On one league I dominated all the games easily and manage to win the league without losing a single game, on my worst performing league I finished bottom mid-table, the rest of the leagues I won one that was very even and the others I ended up top 5 So what conclusions can you draw from this? That when a fliendly or official league is setup, all the teams get a positive boost, a negative boost or no boost at all and this boosts are not equal but have a value range. So for example in the league I won without losing a game it's because I got a high boost, the league I ended up bottom midtable I got a negative boost strong enough that my team underperformed grossly and the rest of the leagues I probably got minor positive or negative or "no boost". For this reason is that people says things like "the SIM used in the official league is different than other competitions". Is not different, is the same exact SIM but your performance will be different across different competitions, so you might be playing really well on the league if you got a high boost and in contrast your team could be struggling against the same opponents on other leagues. So going back to your question, when you play a scout match, that scout match is played with "no boost" so when you play the real game, that result is going to be affected by the combination of positive/negative boosts you and your opponent have.

coswin wrote:

I believe that I don't have to go in the details on why the service itself is broken, as I expect everyone is aware of the issues, but to clarify: it's about all the scout matches that have outrageous different outcomes compared to the official matches. Very often you'll find that matches played with the exact same tactics have completely opposite results when played. And I'm not referring to a 10-20% difference, that is acceptable in my opinion. I'm referring to situations where you win 3 scout matches with 4-5 goals difference and you have up to 3 times more scoring chances than the opponent, while in the 'actual' match the situation is completely flipped. If needed I can provide examples, but I'd prefer to save the effort - as I said, I believe it's a widely 'known issue'.

The "problem" with the scout is that scout games are not influenced by any negative or positive boosts so you can really appreciate how random the SIM really is.

I'll explain this a bit, I got together with a few fellow managers and did a little experiment a few years ago and we played 4/5 leagues with the same teams and same tactic for all games. On one league I dominated all the games easily and manage to win the league without losing a single game, on my worst performing league I finished bottom mid-table, the rest of the leagues I won one that was very even and the others I ended up top 5

So what conclusions can you draw from this? That when a fliendly or official league is setup, all the teams get a positive boost, a negative boost or no boost at all and this boosts are not equal but have a value range. So for example in the league I won without losing a game it's because I got a high boost, the league I ended up bottom midtable I got a negative boost strong enough that my team underperformed grossly and the rest of the leagues I probably got minor positive or negative or "no boost".

For this reason is that people says things like "the SIM used in the official league is different than other competitions". Is not different, is the same exact SIM but your performance will be different across different competitions, so you might be playing really well on the league if you got a high boost and in contrast your team could be struggling against the same opponents on other leagues.

So going back to your question, when you play a scout match, that scout match is played with "no boost" so when you play the real game, that result is going to be affected by the combination of positive/negative boosts you and your opponent have.

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By coswin - 26-10-2022 15:03

[FRF]

As I said, I think for those that used the scout matches this is quite known, but I'll link here a few recent examples. In these examples the league match is first and the others are scouts. As you can see I didn't link only matches that I've lost, because that's not the point I'm trying to make. Match1 https://imgur.com/a/19bugMW Match2 https://imgur.com/a/Nx0Ucgi Match3 https://imgur.com/a/JJONXu1 I'd like you to have a look especially at the last one, Match3 as I cannot reason on how we can go from scores of 4-1 (27-3 on chances) to 6-2 (16-12 on chances).As I said, I think for those that used the scout matches this is quite known, but I'll link here a few recent examples.
In these examples the league match is first and the others are scouts.
As you can see I didn't link only matches that I've lost, because that's not the point I'm trying to make.

Match1
https://imgur.com/a/19bugMW
Match2
https://imgur.com/a/Nx0Ucgi
Match3
https://imgur.com/a/JJONXu1

I'd like you to have a look especially at the last one, Match3 as I cannot reason on how we can go from scores of 4-1 (27-3 on chances) to 6-2 (16-12 on chances).

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By coswin - 26-10-2022 15:07

[FRF]

Thanks for your reply @darkline. I can fully get onboard with your explanation. I'm sure that's what's happening. Don't really have opinions if it's a different engine or not, but I do think that at least they're different configurations/parameters. Then my question would be: what use are the scout matches if it the end it's still up to a roll of dice on the outcome? And even at a greater level, what is the use of us investing time/money on a game that doesn't have much to do with the squads/tactics, but rather some magic 'boost' parameters?

darkline wrote:

So going back to your question, when you play a scout match, that scout match is played with "no boost" so when you play the real game, that result is going to be affected by the combination of positive/negative boosts you and your opponent have.

Thanks for your reply @darkline. I can fully get onboard with your explanation. I'm sure that's what's happening. Don't really have opinions if it's a different engine or not, but I do think that at least they're different configurations/parameters.

Then my question would be: what use are the scout matches if it the end it's still up to a roll of dice on the outcome?

And even at a greater level, what is the use of us investing time/money on a game that doesn't have much to do with the squads/tactics, but rather some magic 'boost' parameters?

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By darkline - 26-10-2022 20:00

[FLUSA]
President

I imagine this is done so the best team doesn't always win or to encourage managers with weaker teams, never really understood the purpose and always found it very frustrating but it's pretty obvious this is how the different leagues and cups are handled. I'm not sure if it's totally random, I think there is some pattern that is more noticeable when you play a friendly league and teams are very uneaven with some very good teams and some poor ones, the poor ones seem to get a boost while top ones seem to underperform and I imagine this is done to rebalance the league to make it more even, this is harder to put it to a test though so I can't be sure but in from what I've seen and experienced after playing 100s of leagues it seems that way and it makes sense.

coswin wrote:

And even at a greater level, what is the use of us investing time/money on a game that doesn't have much to do with the squads/tactics, but rather some magic 'boost' parameters?

I imagine this is done so the best team doesn't always win or to encourage managers with weaker teams, never really understood the purpose and always found it very frustrating but it's pretty obvious this is how the different leagues and cups are handled.

I'm not sure if it's totally random, I think there is some pattern that is more noticeable when you play a friendly league and teams are very uneaven with some very good teams and some poor ones, the poor ones seem to get a boost while top ones seem to underperform and I imagine this is done to rebalance the league to make it more even, this is harder to put it to a test though so I can't be sure but in from what I've seen and experienced after playing 100s of leagues it seems that way and it makes sense.

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By darkline - 26-10-2022 20:05

[FLUSA]
President

The game still has to do with tactics & squads, but a big part of the game is luck, if you're in a cup in which you have a massive negative boost then there's very little you can do to turn the tide, on the other hand if you get massive possitive boost then you can cruise to victory on autopilot, which is actually how I won my last MLS title with a deteriorated team.... didn't even bother to change tactics or players for the whole season as I was a bit bored of the way the game works and my team just cruised to victory with split games always going my way despite giving my opponents the advantage of knowing exactly the tactic I'm going to use...The game still has to do with tactics & squads, but a big part of the game is luck, if you're in a cup in which you have a massive negative boost then there's very little you can do to turn the tide, on the other hand if you get massive possitive boost then you can cruise to victory on autopilot, which is actually how I won my last MLS title with a deteriorated team.... didn't even bother to change tactics or players for the whole season as I was a bit bored of the way the game works and my team just cruised to victory with split games always going my way despite giving my opponents the advantage of knowing exactly the tactic I'm going to use...

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By coswin - 27-10-2022 09:16

[FRF]

I was thinking about this, but the scout matches are not that random, right? In the sense that they're quite consistent between them.

darkline wrote:

the scout is that scout games are not influenced by any negative or positive boosts so you can really appreciate how random the SIM really is.

I was thinking about this, but the scout matches are not that random, right? In the sense that they're quite consistent between them.

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By darkline - 27-10-2022 12:07

[FLUSA]
President

Yes that's correct, though it depends on your opponent, if the teams are pretty even you get some random results which I guess is to be expected.

coswin wrote:

I was thinking about this, but the scout matches are not that random, right? In the sense that they're quite consistent between them.

Yes that's correct, though it depends on your opponent, if the teams are pretty even you get some random results which I guess is to be expected.

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By doug7887 - 27-10-2022 19:24

[LEGEND]

I think the scout matches is intended to show you if your tatic is ok and if the players are well positioned as you espect, and not to wonder if you can win or not. With that in mind, I think it is a useful tool.I think the scout matches is intended to show you if your tatic is ok and if the players are well positioned as you espect, and not to wonder if you can win or not.

With that in mind, I think it is a useful tool.

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By darkline - 27-10-2022 23:41

[FLUSA]
President

It is a useful tool, as long as people understands that even if you win 5 out of 5 games against an opponent you'll be facing on a competition, the game in that league/cup could be totally different that your scout games as it is influenced by parameters that apply to that specific competition. What you can use the scout games is to find the best tactic for your upcoming game, which will give you the best chances in the real game.It is a useful tool, as long as people understands that even if you win 5 out of 5 games against an opponent you'll be facing on a competition, the game in that league/cup could be totally different that your scout games as it is influenced by parameters that apply to that specific competition.

What you can use the scout games is to find the best tactic for your upcoming game, which will give you the best chances in the real game.

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By coswin - 28-10-2022 10:18

[FRF]

What is it useful for then? What does it mean that the players are positioned "correctly" if the gameplay is completely different. It just gives you false confidence that you're tactic is good against the other tactic. Either way, these are the sort of aspects that should be mentioned on https://www.managerzone.com/?p=manual_faq&cat_id=1397 There should be something in the lines of "Please note that instant matches have nothing to do with the matches themselves and are just a waste of your Power Tokens."

doug7887 wrote:

I think the scout matches is intended to show you if your tatic is ok and if the players are well positioned as you espect, and not to wonder if you can win or not.

With that in mind, I think it is a useful tool.

darkline wrote:

It is a useful tool

What is it useful for then? What does it mean that the players are positioned "correctly" if the gameplay is completely different. It just gives you false confidence that you're tactic is good against the other tactic.

Either way, these are the sort of aspects that should be mentioned on
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=manual_faq&cat_id=1397

There should be something in the lines of "Please note that instant matches have nothing to do with the matches themselves and are just a waste of your Power Tokens."

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By coswin - 28-10-2022 10:24

[FRF]

The fact that the crew can't even be bothered to reply to Forum posts, which is their main line of feedback shows how much they care about this game these days. For them it's just a milking cow, based on nostalgia of some of the players that've been in this for years. No fault on their side, it's us that keep buying those membership and accepting that the investment in this game is 0. I've came back to it after a pause of 10 years and nothing changed except some childish 'events' that have the same purpose of getting more tokens. The fact that at one level you're beating the opponent 7-0 and the next one you can't pass with any of the tactics shows how much thought it's put into it. Must be the boost thing again. :)The fact that the crew can't even be bothered to reply to Forum posts, which is their main line of feedback shows how much they care about this game these days. For them it's just a milking cow, based on nostalgia of some of the players that've been in this for years. No fault on their side, it's us that keep buying those membership and accepting that the investment in this game is 0.
I've came back to it after a pause of 10 years and nothing changed except some childish 'events' that have the same purpose of getting more tokens.
The fact that at one level you're beating the opponent 7-0 and the next one you can't pass with any of the tactics shows how much thought it's put into it. Must be the boost thing again. :)

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By darkline - 28-10-2022 11:26

[FLUSA]
President

Well you can find your optimal tactic and that will improve the probability you'll get the result you want, but sometimes that might not be enough. I understand the frustration as I experienced it myself many times and I'm not saying I like it, I'm just explaining how it works and how you can still use it to your advantage. Let me show you a practical effect of the boost, let's take for example the Keepers Cup final which ended just 2 weeks ago. https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1333920496 So on one side you have a team from Greece that has 4 wins and 3 losses on the Greek League, on the other side you have a team from Germany that's last on the German league with only 3 points on 7 games, none of this leagues are particularly strong though Greek one is stronger than Germany. To get this far, this teams had to leave in the way much better teams than them, specially the german team which seems to be pretty weak (lost 2 games out of 2 on National Cup and with lower division teams) and this was only made possible because he got a high boost on the Keeper's Cup. I don't think this is fair, I actually think this approach sucks but it is the way it is, obviously the reasoning is that they don't want the same 20/30 teams always reaching the final stages of the cups, they want everyone to believe they're as good as the top teams in the world so that motivates them to try to be better. The drawback is that when you reach the top you realize it's not worth it as you don't get rewarded properly, a while ago I won the Champions Cup, built a super competitive team and played a few seasons on the World Top Division.... that's when you realize how much the system sucks, because I had one of the top teams in the World and I would still struggle and lost on playoffs on some Regional/Local cups with teams way below my team strenght at the time... which is also what led me to believe that the boosts are not a 100% random but based on some formula to make the competition more even, so if your team is too strong compared to the rest then you will get a big handicap (negative boost). Anyway, this is pretty much what hanzhino complained for years until he finally gave up and pretty much the reason I got bored, left my team on autopilot this past few seasons and now sold all my players... I'll keep hanging around in the hopes that they will eventually change the SIM and also will try to help others as much as I can. Oh it's even worse, they don't even care to reply to Admin forum posts, only when the questions is something like "XX Country paying method don't work because of XX problem" that you will get a reply. There are pages and pages of suggestions to be discussed at admin and you never hear anything from crew. There are a few crew people that honestly I have no idea what role they serve, not going to point fingers but this people should at least work as "Community Managers" replying to regular users and at least pretend they care... the fact they don't even pretend is what's worrying. Anyway, rants over 😁

coswin wrote:

What is it useful for then? What does it mean that the players are positioned "correctly" if the gameplay is completely different. It just gives you false confidence that you're tactic is good against the other tactic.

Well you can find your optimal tactic and that will improve the probability you'll get the result you want, but sometimes that might not be enough. I understand the frustration as I experienced it myself many times and I'm not saying I like it, I'm just explaining how it works and how you can still use it to your advantage.

Let me show you a practical effect of the boost, let's take for example the Keepers Cup final which ended just 2 weeks ago.

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1333920496

So on one side you have a team from Greece that has 4 wins and 3 losses on the Greek League, on the other side you have a team from Germany that's last on the German league with only 3 points on 7 games, none of this leagues are particularly strong though Greek one is stronger than Germany. To get this far, this teams had to leave in the way much better teams than them, specially the german team which seems to be pretty weak (lost 2 games out of 2 on National Cup and with lower division teams) and this was only made possible because he got a high boost on the Keeper's Cup.

I don't think this is fair, I actually think this approach sucks but it is the way it is, obviously the reasoning is that they don't want the same 20/30 teams always reaching the final stages of the cups, they want everyone to believe they're as good as the top teams in the world so that motivates them to try to be better.

The drawback is that when you reach the top you realize it's not worth it as you don't get rewarded properly, a while ago I won the Champions Cup, built a super competitive team and played a few seasons on the World Top Division.... that's when you realize how much the system sucks, because I had one of the top teams in the World and I would still struggle and lost on playoffs on some Regional/Local cups with teams way below my team strenght at the time... which is also what led me to believe that the boosts are not a 100% random but based on some formula to make the competition more even, so if your team is too strong compared to the rest then you will get a big handicap (negative boost).

Anyway, this is pretty much what hanzhino complained for years until he finally gave up and pretty much the reason I got bored, left my team on autopilot this past few seasons and now sold all my players... I'll keep hanging around in the hopes that they will eventually change the SIM and also will try to help others as much as I can.

coswin wrote:

The fact that the crew can't even be bothered to reply to Forum posts, which is their main line of feedback shows how much they care about this game these days.

Oh it's even worse, they don't even care to reply to Admin forum posts, only when the questions is something like "XX Country paying method don't work because of XX problem" that you will get a reply. There are pages and pages of suggestions to be discussed at admin and you never hear anything from crew.

There are a few crew people that honestly I have no idea what role they serve, not going to point fingers but this people should at least work as "Community Managers" replying to regular users and at least pretend they care... the fact they don't even pretend is what's worrying.

Anyway, rants over 😁

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By coswin - 28-10-2022 12:08

[FRF]

Well, if anything the game is good for coming across good people like you @darkline . Thanks for your comments :)Well, if anything the game is good for coming across good people like you @darkline . Thanks for your comments :)

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By scrum - 29-10-2022 12:37

[FRF]

I believe scout matches can be useful, but on the other hand there are so many variables than can influence the outcome of a match. So, the results can be very different, and one of those variables is the fact that goalkeepers alone can win matches, which sometimes is a little bit ridiculous. I can give a recent example, my last league match. I did test the tactic in scout matches (only wins) and it was indeed good on the league pitch as well, despite the value gap between the teams(we both played short passing). But I lost the league match because, well, the opponent's goalie :) https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1320792975I believe scout matches can be useful, but on the other hand there are so many variables than can influence the outcome of a match. So, the results can be very different, and one of those variables is the fact that goalkeepers alone can win matches, which sometimes is a little bit ridiculous. I can give a recent example, my last league match. I did test the tactic in scout matches (only wins) and it was indeed good on the league pitch as well, despite the value gap between the teams(we both played short passing). But I lost the league match because, well, the opponent's goalie :)
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1320792975

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 01-01-2023 20:50

[POLSKA]

Scout matches I think improved a bit compering it to few years ago. I wouldn't blame the scout matches itself as sim is completely random sometimes. This boost theory like darkline said I agree with it. I remember when I won the friendly league when there was like 3 teams from Polish top division, few top divisions from the world, but in Irish league I was losing to bottom table and didn't win title for long time. This boost I have no clues how it works, but it works. People ask why scout match score could be like 5-0 for you and then same tactics in league or cup you will lose 1-2 or draw. Look at simple matches like friendlies, it proves every match is different even if same teams play and same tactics were used. In Poland we play in league clans based on friendlies on friday, we play 2 games, morning at 10:00 and eve at 18:00(the rematch). Many times which makes me so **** mad is the thing that. On the morning same tactics same teams you could win something even like 7-1, and then same match same tactic on the evenig there will be a draw... How more random this can get? That's way I don't blame scout matches, it's the matter that every game is completely different random story. I remember back in the day when my team was strongest, I could ask myself if I will win 5-0 or 6-0 today with the weak team, now I have to worry if I will win a league match with last team in the table having 100 times better team, it's all big random factor as darkline said, weak managers are given a chance to stay in game and put it simply ''pay''. It's not fair but it's true, take it from the best give it to the weak teams... Another random factor is the tactics, they don't matter any more, that's why it's better to stop wasting time about tactics and stick to one tactic which is universal. When I see when short passing tactic with narrow defence which is far from two wingers, actually beats the wing, I just gave up to care too much about tactics.Scout matches I think improved a bit compering it to few years ago.

I wouldn't blame the scout matches itself as sim is completely random sometimes. This boost theory like darkline said I agree with it. I remember when I won the friendly league when there was like 3 teams from Polish top division, few top divisions from the world, but in Irish league I was losing to bottom table and didn't win title for long time.

This boost I have no clues how it works, but it works.

People ask why scout match score could be like 5-0 for you and then same tactics in league or cup you will lose 1-2 or draw.

Look at simple matches like friendlies, it proves every match is different even if same teams play and same tactics were used.
In Poland we play in league clans based on friendlies on friday, we play 2 games, morning at 10:00 and eve at 18:00(the rematch). Many times which makes me so **** mad is the thing that. On the morning same tactics same teams you could win something even like 7-1, and then same match same tactic on the evenig there will be a draw...

How more random this can get? That's way I don't blame scout matches, it's the matter that every game is completely different random story. I remember back in the day when my team was strongest, I could ask myself if I will win 5-0 or 6-0 today with the weak team, now I have to worry if I will win a league match with last team in the table having 100 times better team, it's all big random factor as darkline said, weak managers are given a chance to stay in game and put it simply ''pay''. It's not fair but it's true, take it from the best give it to the weak teams...

Another random factor is the tactics, they don't matter any more, that's why it's better to stop wasting time about tactics and stick to one tactic which is universal. When I see when short passing tactic with narrow defence which is far from two wingers, actually beats the wing, I just gave up to care too much about tactics.

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By chrisorton86 - 05-01-2023 18:08

[ENG]

Yea it's useless I completed 10 scout matches with the same tactics against the same team, 10 different results absolutely nothing comparable to a live league fixture it does not serve a purpose because like you say there may be 3 occasions where you win by 5 goals and you think brilliant, you play the match, lose a tight game... Then if you repeat the scout matches you can win or lose by 4 or 5 it's bizarre. I don't think the intelligence involved can produce an informative result in seconds, there is obviously a reason why real games are running for an hour after team selection before it generates a real game/result although on the face of it it is the same two teams but I don't believe tactics and players abilities can possibly be taken into consideration accurately in these scout matches. I believe scout matches should be deployed the same way as real games, ie an hour wait to build and see the game for accuracy. I would love to get a developers take on this

coswin wrote:

Hi all,

I'm sure that this is a topic that has been discussed in depth in the past or on different threads, but I couldn't find any discussion when searching for it.

I believe the title states the issue clearly.
For a long time the community seems to have accepted that "scout matches are just useless" and we don't even bring it up anymore, but then I have to ask the crew, why do we even have them in the first place?

As it's a paid service (you can buy instant matches with Power Tokens - it also makes me wonder, why do we as community accept that a paid service is simply broken? For anything else that you buy online and would have this behaviour, you'd probably return it or report it.

I believe that I don't have to go in the details on why the service itself is broken, as I expect everyone is aware of the issues, but to clarify: it's about all the scout matches that have outrageous different outcomes compared to the official matches. Very often you'll find that matches played with the exact same tactics have completely opposite results when played. And I'm not referring to a 10-20% difference, that is acceptable in my opinion. I'm referring to situations where you win 3 scout matches with 4-5 goals difference and you have up to 3 times more scoring chances than the opponent, while in the 'actual' match the situation is completely flipped. If needed I can provide examples, but I'd prefer to save the effort - as I said, I believe it's a widely 'known issue'.

I'd like to hear other managers' opinion on this and what's the official position from the crew on it.

Yea it's useless I completed 10 scout matches with the same tactics against the same team, 10 different results absolutely nothing comparable to a live league fixture it does not serve a purpose because like you say there may be 3 occasions where you win by 5 goals and you think brilliant, you play the match, lose a tight game... Then if you repeat the scout matches you can win or lose by 4 or 5 it's bizarre. I don't think the intelligence involved can produce an informative result in seconds, there is obviously a reason why real games are running for an hour after team selection before it generates a real game/result although on the face of it it is the same two teams but I don't believe tactics and players abilities can possibly be taken into consideration accurately in these scout matches.

I believe scout matches should be deployed the same way as real games, ie an hour wait to build and see the game for accuracy. I would love to get a developers take on this

Re: The scout matches are a farce - we need to talk about it

By nerve-ana - 11-01-2023 10:20

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This whole game is a farce, stop investing in it.This whole game is a farce, stop investing in it.

 

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