MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
Here you can see a compilation of all national teams that have participated in
World Cup & U21 World Cup, no qualifying matches included
https://www.mzelo.eu
Contents of the tables:
• Rank (sorted by: current, average rating and team name)
• Ratings (current, average, highest and lowest rating)
• Number of times a national team has participated, last and first time
• Matches (total, wins, draws, losses and goal difference)
Willing to receive suggestions if there is something you are missing in the tables...
// Tony (coq_rouge)
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Re: MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
By chucky06 - 24-09-2022 13:00
Cool to see how much we've really been punching above our weight in U21 level. 11th is pretty impressive and 34 for seniors is about average and fair for us
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By coq_rouge - 24-09-2022 13:27
chucky06 wrote:Cool to see how much we've really been punching above our weight in U21 level. 11th is pretty impressive and 34 for seniors is about average and fair for us
Have been wondering for a while what a ranking among the national teams on MZ would look like. So I hope you like it and maybe the tables can be a spur to current national team leaders and upcoming and participating nations in general :)
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Re: MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
By chucky06 - 24-09-2022 15:52
Yeh I think it's awesome. The current ranking system is totally outdated and especially when Uxx leagues came about.
You've done great
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Re: MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
By spyridonas - 24-09-2022 23:23
very nice!
I am wondering , are you counting as "draws" the matches in final stages that were decided on overtime or penalties?
Also what does those arrows and (!) before rating mean. I just find strange that Brazil Netherlands , Norway and England that did not play in Groups in 2022 have an arrow showing a little up.
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By coq_rouge - 25-09-2022 02:22
spyridonas wrote:
I am wondering , are you counting as "draws" the matches in final stages that were decided on overtime or penalties?
All matches are calculated on the final score regardless of whether it went to extra time or not.
spyridonas wrote:
Also what does those arrows and (!) before rating mean. I just find strange that Brazil Netherlands , Norway and England that did not play in Groups in 2022 have an arrow showing a little up.
(!) shows that the team has not played the recommended 30 matches required for the rating to stabilize and therefore no arrows are shown for those teams.
The arrows indicate whether a team's rating is heading above or below the average rating. Even for teams that did not participate in the last edition, the results for these teams follow from the last time they participated.
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By coq_rouge - 27-09-2022 16:21
2022-09-27 Some minor adjustments to the graphics on the tables, hopefully for the better. The rating arrows are only shown on the teams that participated in the last tournament, if they have played at least the recommended 30 matches.
// Tony
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Re: MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
By spyridonas - 28-09-2022 00:19
I noticed only the change in 1st-4th final positions counts, which is cool
Azerbaijan in U21 table is shown with 0 "played" , should have 1 (2014).
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By coq_rouge - 28-09-2022 03:28
spyridonas wrote:I noticed only the change in 1st-4th final positions counts, which is cool. Azerbaijan in U21 table is shown with 0 "played" , should have 1 (2014).
Thanks for noting the zero with Azerbaijan - Fixed!
Regarding 1-4 placement, 4th place is the most boring place you can end up in and since 4 teams advance to the semi-finals, it was clear that the top 4 places would be included :)
// Tony
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Re: MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
By andygym - 02-10-2022 09:47
coq_rouge wrote:Willing to receive suggestions if there is something you are missing in the tables...
// Tony (coq_rouge)
That is an amazing work!! I have only one question. Are you counting the Qualyfication phase on this rating?
Cause it sounds kind of strange to see brazil at the top when they missed two world cups.
Just asking. I don't really know exactly how ELO rating works.
cheers
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By coq_rouge - 02-10-2022 21:07
andygym wrote:I have only one question. Are you counting the Qualyfication phase on this rating? Cause it sounds kind of strange to see brazil at the top when they missed two world cups.
Hi and thanks :) no qualifying matches are included, but now that I see the whole list and since the group stage is only 3 matches per team. If you then calculate that many teams only get up to 3 games in each edition of the WC, then it will take 10 editions before they are up to the recommended 30 games for the rating to have stabilized and that is sad.
Regarding Brazil, they played strongly in some editions if I remember correctly. The rating is not based on the number of matches played, but you "gain" or "lose" rating points against the team you face. Even in matches that end in a tie, the team "gains" or "loses" points, depending on whether "your team" has a higher or lower score at the time of the match.
To return to your first question, I have started to look at recalculating everything again, including the qualifying matches so that as many teams as possible will get the number of matches up quickly. The qualifying matches are between 4 and 10 matches (16 groups, around 6 teams/group), depending on whether there are teams that have not had a team and left WO. But it will be a lot of work if I have to count the qualifying matches + the WC matches, I'll have to think about it for a while ;)
// Tony
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Re: MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
By andygym - 03-10-2022 03:03
coq_rouge wrote:Hi and thanks :) no qualifying matches are included, but now that I see the whole list and since the group stage is only 3 matches per team. If you then calculate that many teams only get up to 3 games in each edition of the WC, then it will take 10 editions before they are up to the recommended 30 games for the rating to have stabilized and that is sad.
Regarding Brazil, they played strongly in some editions if I remember correctly. The rating is not based on the number of matches played, but you "gain" or "lose" rating points against the team you face. Even in matches that end in a tie, the team "gains" or "loses" points, depending on whether "your team" has a higher or lower score at the time of the match.
To return to your first question, I have started to look at recalculating everything again, including the qualifying matches so that as many teams as possible will get the number of matches up quickly. The qualifying matches are between 4 and 10 matches (16 groups, around 6 teams/group), depending on whether there are teams that have not had a team and left WO. But it will be a lot of work if I have to count the qualifying matches + the WC matches, I'll have to think about it for a while ;)
// Tony
Thanks for the explanation and for all the work that you are doing to bring this to the community :)
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By coq_rouge - 03-10-2022 21:33
andygym wrote:Thanks for the explanation and for all the work that you are doing to bring this to the community :)
👍🏼
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By coq_rouge - 14-10-2022 09:13
2022-09-27 - New pages of MZ Elo Ratings, in addition to a ratings page there is now also a statistics page. So far only for the MZ World Cup, but an update for the U21 World Cup will come as soon as I get the chance.
Hope you don't find it too messy, would like to get some feedback before I continue with the U21 World Cup if you think it's OK
// Tony
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Re: MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
By spyridonas - 16-10-2022 21:55
coq_rouge wrote:
Hope you don't find it too messy, would like to get some feedback before I continue with the U21 World Cup if you think it's OK
It's not messy at all.
I wish there were some "sort" options like final positions or wins etc.
Also, I am wondering why you didn't use the matches of qualification groups in ELO-ratings calculations , or/and the matches of European / Confederations Cups, or if you plan to do so (maybe with smaller weights etc)
...so just asking for more stats , more numbers , I love numbers :D
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By coq_rouge - 17-10-2022 09:16
Hi and thanks for the reply :)
spyridonas wrote:
• I wish there were some "sort" options like final positions or wins etc.
• Also, I am wondering why you didn't use the matches of qualification groups in ELO-ratings calculations , or/and the matches of European / Confederations Cups, or if you plan to do so (maybe with smaller weights etc)
I have looked at the qualifiers and the groups, but there are far too many matches to go through, it will take up too much of my time unfortunately. Wish I could make a "program" that downloads and processes the results, but I don't have that skill :(
// Tony
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Re: MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
By spyridonas - 18-10-2022 22:58
I understand. I could try send you a list of all matches ,
Probably the best option would be an Excell export , of a database I keep. It would look like this but with 15808 rows.
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Re: MZ Football Elo Rating • World Cup & U21 World Cup
By spyridonas - 18-10-2022 23:00
Sorry have to post again the picture with correct (I hope) BBcode
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By coq_rouge - 19-10-2022 02:17
OK we can try, send it to info@mzelo.eu if possible and please leave me a message in my MZ guestbook when you've sent it :)
// Tony
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