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I've just been heavily beaten by the team who are 21 days old. They have put together a very good wing team in no time whatsoever. They're walking their league and destroyed me in the cup tonight.

This seems highly unrealistic without prior knowledge of the game.

Question is what can be done? Could it just be someone returning to the game but not using his primary account. Why would he know about the wing attack exploit and execute it so well?
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[AUS]
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Accusing teams of cheating in the forum is against all forum rules. If you think the team mentioned is actually cheating the please report them through Help > Support > Report a Cheater

*Post above had been removed to protect teams integrity*

I think the more logical explanation is the user has previously played manager zone and had good knowledge of tactics. They’ve been active in the transfer market and have signed a lot of players and playing a really good tactic. Wings V 3 defenders with close to even matched teams will always win

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Just makes a mockery of the whole game. A team can be better after 14 days. Like the gaps must be huge.

Why even bother?

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This guy is now ranked 4th in the entire world.

This is an actual joke. What's the point in this?

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How can this account have around 630k loss in transfer in 3 weeks?

Can someone explain?

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k33n3y wrote:
This guy is now ranked 4th in the entire world.

This is an actual joke. What's the point in this?


The ranking thing is not a rare sight among recently created teams. The ranking system works in such a way that performing well on official cups and winning a lot of league matches will make your team move up in the ranks very fast. This is the perfect scenario for new teams, because they usually play on leagues filled with bots, so they bag the league wins easily. As for the Welcome Cups, if the manager is experienced, he definitely gets a good shot at winning them, which is huge for the ranking.

The person you're talking about did everything almost perfectly (seems to be an old manager from England, idk). Won 2 Welcome Cups, finished 2nd on another one and won all league games over the last weeks, so he just earned an insane amount of ranking points. I've seen the same thing happening with teams from other countries. You can actually find similar examples right now if you go through the ranking.

The way the ranking works strikes me as odd, of course. I'm not trying to deny that.

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Since I posted. I've found out he's a returning manager. So his joining date isn't the 4th of jan. This is misleading. Starting a 2nd account is forbidden in many games. So unsure why it's been allowed here.

The guy is called Emanski and very experienced from what I've gathered.

Im just at a loss with this game at the moment. It's disgusting that the only people that care are the few dedicated old timers. The developers and owners don't care in the slightest.

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chucky06 wrote:
please report them through Help > Support > Report a Cheater


Are you sure, that this works? My email update is still pending since 3-4 years.

Also I request to have a look at this match https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1279335257&tid=1421249

It only took 3 loyal players with 8 youths to beat an above average team.

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koolkd5 wrote:
Are you sure, that this works? My email update is still pending since 3-4 years.


Don't lie.

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Crew have been responsive. Just not happy with the manner of the reply.

Ultimately looking at the case ive mentioned. This is what is known as a double account. An experienced returning player. Hes beaten genuine newbies in a welcome cup.

For me this is cheating as its a duplicated account. Its unfair on new members who are attempting to play this game for the first time.

However for me this post can be closed for discussion because its clear what the game thinks and what people think are two different things. Allowing an experienced manager who has returned beat up on newbies is unacceptable. Esp since said account is a double account and shows they have been active 4 weeks.

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maria171 wrote:
Don't lie.


Check this out - https://ibb.co/sgtk3x4

I don't even remember when I requested for email change. Surely not in last 2 years.

I wanted to report a cheater and then I find out that my email change request is still pending

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Haters will always hate 😂😜

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How do you suspect a second team?

From what I’ve read you are just unhappy as a returning manager is doing really well. Returning managers are encouraged and the crew have done some work to try and encourage returning players and it should be encouraged. Everyone needs to progress through the leagues again, they can’t just start in a higher division.

I’ve won WL Div 5 6 times or something like that. It’s because I rebuild or run Uxx teams. A lot of the time when I’ve won them I’ve won 22 games straight and beat up on new teams. That’s not my fault though, it’s just how it is and the luck of the draw

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If they are encouraging returning players they should do so on the main account. Regardless of whether that account is active or not. I'm all for returning players.

Its well documented now that this person is question is a great manager. So yourself and Maria basically saying I'm butthurt is very disrespectful. Maria's messages have been awfully elitist. Which is interesting to say the least when we need new players in this outdated game.

I'm going to draw a line under this now.

My summary. The game allows a brand new manager to make 800k plus of transfer in the first 4 weeks and they can get a ranking of 3rd in the whole game. Game broken? You decide?

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k33n3y wrote:
If they are encouraging returning players they should do so on the main account. Regardless of whether that account is active or not. I'm all for returning players.

Its well documented now that this person is question is a great manager. So yourself and Maria basically saying I'm butthurt is very disrespectful. Maria's messages have been awfully elitist. Which is interesting to say the least when we need new players in this outdated game.

I'm going to draw a line under this now.

My summary. The game allows a brand new manager to make 800k plus of transfer in the first 4 weeks and they can get a ranking of 3rd in the whole game. Game broken? You decide?


I’m not saying that at all. I just wanted to know where the second team theory came from. If it’s his only team and he’s just a returning manager, had some money in the bank and bought some players and won a lot of games there’s nothing wrong with that at all. If he has a second team, that’s against the rules and should be punished but you need some pretty good evidence for that to happen.

On the ranking thing, it means absolutely nothing. Anyone is a top league winning a bunch of games will automatically push them up rankings a ridiculous amount. The metric is outdated and needs changing so I would pay any attention to it

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Chucky. His account says he's new since the 4th of January. So it can't he his original account.

I'm not suggesting he's running both accounts at the same time. But he's a well known experienced manager with a previous account ( that account may be inactive now)

What I'm saying is even that should not ge allowed.

How can it be fair for a returning manager with bags of experience be allowed to compete in welcome Cup? The proof is in the name. A welcome cup. For new players to experience cup competitions. Having experienced guys with 2nd accounts playing in these cups defeats the purpose of attempting to get new managers to stick about.

I understand the ranking system is flawed. My argument is its a mockery to the game if someone can come in and in 4 weeks be ranked 3rd overall lol. What does that say about the state of the game?

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🤣😂🤣 I love this game 🤣, and bro just concentrate on your own team, your playing me again soon 😘

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Oh god. He's arrived here now.

I'd rather not receive another pasting thank you.

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Im not sure is there any other way to start from clean slate than making a new account or to get bankrupt and reapplying into new team. To get bankrupt you should get rid of all the money you have under the old team while doing this would cause more damage to the game than just leaving them be and making new account. Im not sure whats the case here but maybe emanski would like to give us some light into the case.

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=profile&uid=8626801
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=profile&uid=8319025

Emanskis old account still has club membership but he hasn't played with the team as he is placed in bot division.

My team page says

Under current management since:
28-12-2014

Yet I have been in the game at least from the 2006 so my team have been bankrupt while I was away at some point and have gotten a new team back in 2014. I checked a fellow manager who has been in the game for at least the same or more time than I have and he went bankrupt 2019. He got new team that he manages till this day and he also played welcome cups 2019. So the welcome cups isn't for new managers they are meant to the new teams no matter how old the account is getting the new team.

Lets say Emanski had 5M£ in his bank with his old team should he have threw it to the transfer market and wait 5 weeks to get bankrupt or just abandon the team and make new account.

I need to check if there is a way to get new team without bankrupt or are you stuck what you have.

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k33n3y wrote:
My argument is its a mockery to the game if someone can come in and in 4 weeks be ranked 3rd overall


This should not be something to be worried about too much, the ranking system has always been a bit flawed. Basically, if you pay too much attention to the ranking, you might as well try to not get a promotion to higher divisions, but instead aim to play against bots and new teams to have almost 100% win ratio. Would be absurd.

And in general, if a player had been in the game for a long time and came back after a pause to start over, he will naturally have an advantage against new players. Nothing criminal about it.

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I think a lot of people are missing the point.

There were no high valued transfer for the 'new team'. This is literally a starting out of the blocks team with maybe 1-2 transfers <£200k gbp.

I know this, because I copied the tactic and played my div 1 team against it, and lost.

Whilst its not a tactic I usually play, I know the team I have whilst average, is better than one compiled in a few weeks.

It just doesnt explain it.

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Always seem to cuss a fuss, oh well 😂

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Cause**** 🤣

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ivorylegend wrote:
I think a lot of people are missing the point.

There were no high valued transfer for the 'new team'. This is literally a starting out of the blocks team with maybe 1-2 transfers <£200k gbp.

I know this, because I copied the tactic and played my div 1 team against it, and lost.

Whilst its not a tactic I usually play, I know the team I have whilst average, is better than one compiled in a few weeks.

It just doesnt explain it.


So the cheating isn't anymore about having 2 accounts? You suspect Emanski using some kind of abuse or glitch in a game to win you and Keeneys team?

You would be surprised how cheap it is to build that average team of 30-35yo players that plays better than your 20-24 wonder kids thanks to more balls and experience. You and Keeneys team has about 2-4 10xp players when Emanskis 7-9 10xp players.

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Youve missed the point Jeres. He spent 800k plus in transfers for goodness sake.

It's irrelevant how good a manager he is or how much stronger 10xp players are.

Thats also on top of the fact he beat on genuine newbie managers in welcome cups etc. You want retention yet you are allowing a very experienced manager to do that to new managers.

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I already said if I were to go bankrupt today and apply to a new team I would be able to join with my new team with this account into those welcome cups.. They actually are official ones giving them normal cup money from the end game so in finals they get like 100-200k money per match.. so going to finals 4 times in those cups would anyway give you like over 1M cash to do transfers with.. Whats the other point then than having those 2 accounts if I clearly have missed the point?

He casted some spell to get 800k or did well in 4 cups to get that much money?

Or do you have some actual explanation what has happened like I just gave you one...

Tbf I just checked his last welcome cup match and he was playing against advanced wing tactic aswell.. so there is plenty of returning managers who competes in those welcome cups..

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Does that make it right?

If a manager returns they must return on their original account. Otherwise its classed as a double account. No access to welcome cups etc. It defeats the object of welcome cups.

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Well...
Let's ask him here directly 🤓

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Wow 😅 didn't know I had spent that much myself! seems you watch my finances more than i do! 🤣 As Chucky has already said - I have not cheated. So yeah just enjoy the game bro!

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So I didn't miss the point as the issue is the 2nd account.

Emanski should have returned to their former team, spend all their money into trash on market, go bankrupt, get new team, play welcome cups and everything as they have done with their new team this far.. They could have joined those same welcome cups with their older account same way they joined with the new one. Your issue just is that he didn't burn his old teams money and get the new team that way. I say this way he causes less damage to the game than putting his savings into the market into trash..

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Elitist mentality here in its entirety. This is why the game does not retain managers.

Said manager comes on and confirms he didn't cheat. Case closed. Lol.

The definition of cheating is very different in this situation.

If he retired from his first account. All monies should be forfeited. If someone wants to re join the game they do with their main account. They they don't get put into welcome cups etc with new managers.

It's really not hard to understand yet the few of you here are choosing just to ignore it due to that elite mentality.

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For the third time welcome cups aren't for new managers they are for new teams. If 15 year old account gets bankrupt and are appointed a new team they also get invited to welcome cups..

Yeah he forfeited all the money his first account had by leaving them there. If he rejoins and gets his old team back he should have spent all that money to get bankrupt and be appointed new team that would have been as eglible to welcome cups that his current team.

The welcome cup argument you are giving here is useless that issue goes to the how it is setup as it does invite all the new teams into it not all the new managers. If it was setup for new managers I would see it as an issue. Also if he were to control two teams at the same time it would be an issue.

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k33n3y wrote:
If someone wants to re join the game they do with their main account. They they don't get put into welcome cups etc with new managers.


Ok, keeney. So, you're suggesting an old manager returning to the game should use his "main account".

But what if he doesn't have a "main account"? What if he intentionally deleted his old account in the past? What if he lost his password and can't login to his old email? Many things could lead him to create a new account here. He might have to create one, left without a choice.

Now, what if an old manager wants to start from scratch even though he had another account in the past? Who cares? You think it's unfair? Lol. Welcome to life. Life is unfair. You might feel at a disadvantage because you're not as experienced as the old manager. Alright. On the face of it, looks like a reasonable point of view. But there isn't a lot we can do to solve this issue. Your suggestion (to coerce an old manager into using his "main account") won't cut it. It doesn't look good at all and some old managers could lie or find creative ways to break this rule. It's a poor suggestion. Go figure.

This is a common issue in other multiplayer games too. Let me give you an example. I played FIFA Ultimate Team over the last few years and I was good at it, but I decided to skip FIFA 22. Didn't buy it. However, let's say I buy FIFA 22 today and start playing Ultimate Team. I will start at the bottom and I will therefore crush all my opponents (given that I still know how to play this shitty game). Now, is it unfair to my opponents? Maybe, but what can you do? Is EA gonna block me from playing the game just because I'm a returning old player?

I know, different game, but think of the Welcome Cups the same way. If you think you're still a newbie being, you either accept your fate of being unfairly obliterated for a couple of weeks or try to learn from the experience — this is what you should be doing, honestly, because a fast learner manager will get on par with an experienced manager in no time.

And if you want to test your team against other managers "on the same level as you", perhaps what you're looking for is a friendly league? One for teams on the same division as you (or on the same level).

I am sorry if I come off as a rude person or if you find my comment elitist like you like to say. I am so high right now. But I wish you the best on Managerzone of course. I hope you don't quit the game, my friend.

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...You won me over at I'm so high right now.

I suppose ultimately I was frustrated a team good enough could be built in that time frame with the funds he achieved from welcome cups etc etc.

The rankings as you have all mentioned is awful. But surely it needs fixed.

If welcome cup are indeed for teams and not new managers. Maybe they should be somehow changed to new teams to increase retention and not give experienced managers access to them funds straight away. Maybe its irrelevant I don't know. The game is a gazillion years old and no improvements are happening.

I'd still say that my preferred method would be any returning managers have to use their old account with a fresh team and no access to welcome cups(newbie cups imho)

All in all apologies if I caused offence. I was just shocked how quickly someone could build such a team in that space of time.

All the best all.

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emanski7 wrote:
Wow 😅 didn't know I had spent that much myself! seems you watch my finances more than i do! 🤣 As Chucky has already said - I have not cheated. So yeah just enjoy the game bro!


Actually, the correct way to do it is ask for support to reset the account, so you start fresh with access to welcome cups, etc. but same username, if for any reason you lost access to the original account or you opened a new account because you didn't know what to do, then you should ask support to close the original account as otherwise it is technically classified as MU and could cause you problems down the line so my advice is, contact support and ask to close the original account if you intend to keep playing with a new account as you still can't have two open accounts at the same time.

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ivorylegend wrote:
I think a lot of people are missing the point.

There were no high valued transfer for the 'new team'. This is literally a starting out of the blocks team with maybe 1-2 transfers <£200k gbp.

I know this, because I copied the tactic and played my div 1 team against it, and lost.

Whilst its not a tactic I usually play, I know the team I have whilst average, is better than one compiled in a few weeks.

It just doesnt explain it.


There's probably a couple of things at play here, one is that the SIM we've been using for the past 6 years likes to give a boost to the underdog, also the difference between an average team and something you can put together with little money is not that huge again due to the flaws of the SIM, right now you can buy a team of old guys all deteriorated with low stamina/speed and they will outperform a much better team with less experience, your players are between 22 to 24 y/old so it's not surprising really that you lost as emanski got a couple of geriatric players for almost nothing and also important is that there is some sort of boost that new teams seem to be getting, so sometimes a new team can beat an established team, my guess is they do this to motivate new users and get them hooked.

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darkline wrote:
Actually, the correct way to do it is ask for support to reset the account, so you start fresh with access to welcome cups, etc. but same username, if for any reason you lost access to the original account or you opened a new account because you didn't know what to do, then you should ask support to close the original account as otherwise it is technically classified as MU and could cause you problems down the line so my advice is, contact support and ask to close the original account if you intend to keep playing with a new account as you still can't have two open accounts at the same time.


Out of curiosity, how do you prove that original user is really user7 when original user does not show no logins or activity at all. Even if that is the case, allocating resourses to prove that user7 really is orignal user seems like a waste of resourses in these kind of situations.

But yes, I agree that emanski should just in case contact support! When I rejoined in 2015, I also created new account evosa7. But wanted to get access to original account, so I think I just started testing what passwords I used to use, and got access to current account or I had written passwords down somewhere, dont remember exactly, I do know that I used to have a paper where all my usernames and passwords where written down! Anyway I informed the support and they closed the evosa7 account. Interestingly it still exists in managerzone after almost 7 years later.

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Oh fantastic.

I now get to compete against this guy in the generational Cup.

Does anyone see my point? I'm not pitting myself against similar experienced managers.

I have to compete against returning managers with a much higher experience level.

So what chance do I have when teams like this join these comps?

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k33n3y wrote:
Oh fantastic.

I now get to compete against this guy in the generational Cup.

Does anyone see my point? I'm not pitting myself against similar experienced managers.

I have to compete against returning managers with a much higher experience level.

So what chance do I have when teams like this join these comps?


LOOL 😂🤣😂🤣 Wait, why is this thread still open? Im sure the discussion was over, or is it an obsession?

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I just checked... were not even in the sane group? what a weirdo 🤣🤣

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I'm trying to make a point bro.

Youre too good for me.

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k33n3y wrote:
Oh fantastic.

I now get to compete against this guy in the generational Cup.

Does anyone see my point? I'm not pitting myself against similar experienced managers.

I have to compete against returning managers with a much higher experience level.

So what chance do I have when teams like this join these comps?


I see your point I just don’t agree. You’re against a stronger manager but his team has been around just as long as yours. What his done with his team and tactics is different and superior to your team. You’ve had the same opportunity as him to improve.

I get your point but I just respectfully disagree this time

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Chucky. His team has been around 7 weeks bro

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chucky06 wrote:
I see your point I just don’t agree. You’re against a stronger manager but his team has been around just as long as yours. What his done with his team and tactics is different and superior to your team. You’ve had the same opportunity as him to improve.

I get your point but I just respectfully disagree this time


I don't know why your replying to him Chucky, I've heard he just likes to moan and complain 😑😂

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Lol. Been talking to Jeres and Maria have you. Meh.

I give up.

I cant fathom how a group of managers feel its fair that an experienced manager returns to the game. Has a team 7 weeks and gets placed in the same cups as genuinely new managers.

Certain cups were setup to pit managers of similar skill to one another. This counters that.

I'm fully are Emanski and many of you are far greater managers than me. I'm quite inexperience. Which is why there are certain cups that are relevant for me and similar managers. Not returning managers.

I honestly don't see how you guys don't get it. Its genuinely laughable.

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k33n3y wrote:
Lol. Been talking to Jeres and Maria have you. Meh.

I give up.

I cant fathom how a group of managers feel its fair that an experienced manager returns to the game. Has a team 7 weeks and gets placed in the same cups as genuinely new managers.

Certain cups were setup to pit managers of similar skill to one another. This counters that.

I'm fully are Emanski and many of you are far greater managers than me. I'm quite inexperience. Which is why there are certain cups that are relevant for me and similar managers. Not returning managers.

I honestly don't see how you guys don't get it. Its genuinely laughable.


I understand your frustration, but I just don't think there is a good solution against it. How do you enforce it? How do you know who is a returning manager and who isn't? Maybe it's a new manager and his brother has been in the game for a while so he is helping him with transfer ideas and tactic tips. What can you do against that?

It's really no way you could enforce what you are asking for. At the end of the day, try to see what tactics people are playing, ask for advice, read the forums, The Zone and you might be able to compete with them. In the end, you have the same funds and resources available as every 'new' manager.

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Same funds and resourcing but not same knowledge. Hence why the gap is massive.

I understand your point. I'm unsure what you can do.

My point was to highlight how unfair it was for genuine new managers not me. But obviously a few people wanted to throw shade at me.

Anyways. Let's just move on. I'm sure most of you will wipe your backside with me if we meet in cups soon.

All the best.
 
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