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Dominating games

By k33n3y - 10-12-2021 00:37

So I'm growing frustrated with the game massively. I'm overly dominating games based on possession and shots of target. I had another really important game today in a comp I wanted to go far in. Opponent had 6 shots and scored 2. I had 20 and scored 1. I am literally at my end. My strikers all have a very strong stats. My keeper is slightly weak on PI but with 10 in keeping and 7 Ap. I'm obviously missing something massive or the game has some bias to stop someone winning?So I'm growing frustrated with the game massively. I'm overly dominating games based on possession and shots of target. I had another really important game today in a comp I wanted to go far in. Opponent had 6 shots and scored 2. I had 20 and scored 1.

I am literally at my end. My strikers all have a very strong stats. My keeper is slightly weak on PI but with 10 in keeping and 7 Ap.

I'm obviously missing something massive or the game has some bias to stop someone winning?

 

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Re: Dominating games

By swaan1 - 10-12-2021 04:20

[STARS]

Can you show your strikers? I would also suggest that you do a slight change on your pixel position in your attackrs. Mabey they just need some minor adjustment. Some times it IS small Chanel to make a huge diffrence. And some time you Are just unlucky.Can you show your strikers?
I would also suggest that you do a slight change on your pixel position in your attackrs. Mabey they just need some minor adjustment. Some times it IS small Chanel to make a huge diffrence. And some time you Are just unlucky.

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 10-12-2021 13:10

Does this link work? [fpl=[fpl=210020157]Does this link work? [fpl=

Albert Westlake

Age: 36

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 10-12-2021 13:11

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Kristopher Stamer

Age: 40 (Retired)

Ahmet Yılmaz

Age: 35

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 10-12-2021 13:16

Stamer is maxed in his 6 main skills for a striker playing SP. Yilmaz and Westgate have skills yet to max in their 6 skills for a striker player sp. Sp,St,Pi,Pa,Sh,BcStamer is maxed in his 6 main skills for a striker playing SP.

Yilmaz and Westgate have skills yet to max in their 6 skills for a striker player sp. Sp,St,Pi,Pa,Sh,Bc

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 10-12-2021 13:17

Am I expecting too much from the guys above. Bearing in mind I dont have 1m plus for strikers.Am I expecting too much from the guys above.

Bearing in mind I dont have 1m plus for strikers.

Re: Dominating games

By viedras20 - 10-12-2021 15:05

[LT-Cm]

When looking at your strikers, it's perfectly normal that your team might not convert the domination into a good result in every game. They seem fine players, but not the best, of course. For example, relatively low PI skills could be the culprit, as well as having 9 shooting as in the case of the two younger strikers. And don't forget that there is the factor of luck and randomness - I'm sure you have won against stronger teams than yours at least once :)When looking at your strikers, it's perfectly normal that your team might not convert the domination into a good result in every game. They seem fine players, but not the best, of course. For example, relatively low PI skills could be the culprit, as well as having 9 shooting as in the case of the two younger strikers.

And don't forget that there is the factor of luck and randomness - I'm sure you have won against stronger teams than yours at least once :)

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 10-12-2021 17:16

I suspected either PI or 9 shooting being the culprit tbf. Yilmaz will improve PI to 8 or 9 and passing to 7 or 8. Westlake will improve stam, PI and passing also. Stamer is maxed at 6 in PI and 5 in passing not ideal but he's practically 9s in stam and speed and 10 shooting. For any striker with 50+ skills in top 6 skills you're looking at 1m easy. Maybe even 2m plus. Im attempting to train these as we speak. So ultimately things like this will happen due to those skills? I'm not missing anything massively like playing pressing. Hence why I've conceded 2 goals in 6 shots? Is my keeper more exposed playing pressing?I suspected either PI or 9 shooting being the culprit tbf.

Yilmaz will improve PI to 8 or 9 and passing to 7 or 8. Westlake will improve stam, PI and passing also.

Stamer is maxed at 6 in PI and 5 in passing not ideal but he's practically 9s in stam and speed and 10 shooting.

For any striker with 50+ skills in top 6 skills you're looking at 1m easy. Maybe even 2m plus. Im attempting to train these as we speak.

So ultimately things like this will happen due to those skills? I'm not missing anything massively like playing pressing. Hence why I've conceded 2 goals in 6 shots? Is my keeper more exposed playing pressing?

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 10-12-2021 17:18

Ultimately is 9 shooting a major no no if I want to achieve Div 1 status or go further in certain cups. Mainly looking at cups where joining time is filtered for participants. There is no point competing in some competitions with the long term managers because I get destroyed.Ultimately is 9 shooting a major no no if I want to achieve Div 1 status or go further in certain cups. Mainly looking at cups where joining time is filtered for participants. There is no point competing in some competitions with the long term managers because I get destroyed.

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 12-12-2021 01:41

Just played another really important last group game. 15 shots vs 4. Lost 1 - 0. This is actually scandalousJust played another really important last group game.

15 shots vs 4.

Lost 1 - 0.

This is actually scandalous

Re: Dominating games

By rockstarroberts - 12-12-2021 04:21

your strikers passing isn't good enough.your strikers passing isn't good enough.

Re: Dominating games

By swaan1 - 12-12-2021 04:27

[STARS]

I would check how top players and try to copy to a more meta tactic.Then your strikers will be on better pixels!. That helped me out when i started. The more knoledge you have the less unlucky you will beI would check how top players and try to copy to a more meta tactic.Then your strikers will be on better pixels!. That helped me out when i started.
The more knoledge you have the less unlucky you will be

Re: Dominating games

By jere92 - 12-12-2021 10:24

6 last senior cup/league games 2 different tactics. Westlake SOT = 3-6-9-1--8-SUB = 27 Stamer -- SOT = 2-2-4-10-6-5 = 29 Yilmaz -- SOT = 5-4-6-10-5-10 = 40 I would suggest you swap places with Stamer and Yilmaz for starters as Stamer is better striker and he gets less scoring chances as Yilmaz. ---- "Ultimately is 9 shooting a major no no if I want to achieve Div 1 status or go further in certain cups." Here is my 3 offensive players for last 3 seasons. http://mzplayer.se/?id=1211093341 No its not I haven't actually had a single 10 shooter this far and have gone with these players to top16 in defenders cup and yesterday won Finnish national cup finals with them. Grant Forbes will be replaced with 10 shooter for upcoming season tho.6 last senior cup/league games 2 different tactics.
Westlake SOT = 3-6-9-1--8-SUB = 27
Stamer -- SOT = 2-2-4-10-6-5 = 29
Yilmaz -- SOT = 5-4-6-10-5-10 = 40

I would suggest you swap places with Stamer and Yilmaz for starters as Stamer is better striker and he gets less scoring chances as Yilmaz.

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"Ultimately is 9 shooting a major no no if I want to achieve Div 1 status or go further in certain cups."

Here is my 3 offensive players for last 3 seasons.
http://mzplayer.se/?id=1211093341

No its not I haven't actually had a single 10 shooter this far and have gone with these players to top16 in defenders cup and yesterday won Finnish national cup finals with them. Grant Forbes will be replaced with 10 shooter for upcoming season tho.

Re: Dominating games

By milsu - 13-12-2021 03:30

[Ex Yu]

I think that thing is totally random or predetermined in the beginning of the competition. I've got the same issue in my league. I won 2-1 against a team which is obviously stronger than mine, with shots on target 10-23. https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1255148850 And then there is an abandoned team with lowest form possible, which everyone has beaten, and only I have played 4-4, with shots on target 20-8 for me. If I won, I would have been in 7th place and avoid play-off. Now I will probably be 8th or 9th. https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1255148948 If you see his matches, even the last 12th team in division won him 8-1, but my team which is 7th played 4-4, it is obviously fixed by the simulation.

k33n3y wrote:

So I'm growing frustrated with the game massively. I'm overly dominating games based on possession and shots of target. I had another really important game today in a comp I wanted to go far in. Opponent had 6 shots and scored 2. I had 20 and scored 1.

I am literally at my end. My strikers all have a very strong stats. My keeper is slightly weak on PI but with 10 in keeping and 7 Ap.

I'm obviously missing something massive or the game has some bias to stop someone winning?

I think that thing is totally random or predetermined in the beginning of the competition.

I've got the same issue in my league.

I won 2-1 against a team which is obviously stronger than mine, with shots on target 10-23.

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1255148850

And then there is an abandoned team with lowest form possible, which everyone has beaten, and only I have played 4-4, with shots on target 20-8 for me. If I won, I would have been in 7th place and avoid play-off. Now I will probably be 8th or 9th.

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1255148948

If you see his matches, even the last 12th team in division won him 8-1, but my team which is 7th played 4-4, it is obviously fixed by the simulation.

Re: Dominating games

By douglaskampl - 13-12-2021 04:29

[BRAU18]
President

I don't think it's fixed or predetermined. The matches you listed were unfair, but also nothing out of the ordinary. More shots on target doesn't equal more goals scored. Every shot on target gives you a chance at scoring and this chance is not going to be 1 (100%) most of the time, of course. So, you can miss all of them while your opponent capitalize on them. It may be luck-based, especially when you have good goalkeepers and strikers at stake, but fixed? Not really if you ask me.

milsu wrote:

I think that thing is totally random or predetermined in the beginning of the competition.

I've got the same issue in my league.

I won 2-1 against a team which is obviously stronger than mine, with shots on target 10-23.

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1255148850

And then there is an abandoned team with lowest form possible, which everyone has beaten, and only I have played 4-4, with shots on target 20-8 for me. If I won, I would have been in 7th place and avoid play-off. Now I will probably be 8th or 9th.

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1255148948

If you see his matches, even the last 12th team in division won him 8-1, but my team which is 7th played 4-4, it is obviously fixed by the simulation.

I don't think it's fixed or predetermined. The matches you listed were unfair, but also nothing out of the ordinary. More shots on target doesn't equal more goals scored. Every shot on target gives you a chance at scoring and this chance is not going to be 1 (100%) most of the time, of course. So, you can miss all of them while your opponent capitalize on them. It may be luck-based, especially when you have good goalkeepers and strikers at stake, but fixed? Not really if you ask me.

Re: Dominating games

By milsu - 13-12-2021 09:35

[Ex Yu]

Man, this looks like a conspiracy. 😂 https://i.postimg.cc/L6WqpVd7/Screen-Shot-20211213093304.png

douglaskampl wrote:

I don't think it's fixed or predetermined. The matches you listed were unfair, but also nothing out of the ordinary. More shots on target doesn't equal more goals scored. Every shot on target gives you a chance at scoring and this chance is not going to be 1 (100%) most of the time, of course. So, you can miss all of them while your opponent capitalize on them. It may be luck-based, especially when you have good goalkeepers and strikers at stake, but fixed? Not really if you ask me.

Man, this looks like a conspiracy. 😂

https://i.postimg.cc/L6WqpVd7/Screen-Shot-20211213093304.png

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 15-12-2021 15:51

So here again. Another important game against good opposition. https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=stats&tid=117785&mid=1253551936 I must be missing something huge. I can only assume my keeper is massively exposed with the tactics I play? Resulting in a huge goals to shots on target ratio for the opposition. Yet again it seems ive dominated the game and only a point to show for it. These are only 3 examples in 3 really important games for me. Two cup games and this league game. Yet ive no luck in any. I can only recall 1 game where the reverse has happened and even then I was closer in the game than these 3 games ive dominated. So can anyone assist me? Are my strikers awful? Is my gk awful? Are my tactics wrong? Players placed wrong on pitch?So here again.

Another important game against good opposition.

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=stats&tid=117785&mid=1253551936

I must be missing something huge. I can only assume my keeper is massively exposed with the tactics I play? Resulting in a huge goals to shots on target ratio for the opposition. Yet again it seems ive dominated the game and only a point to show for it. These are only 3 examples in 3 really important games for me. Two cup games and this league game. Yet ive no luck in any. I can only recall 1 game where the reverse has happened and even then I was closer in the game than these 3 games ive dominated.

So can anyone assist me?

Are my strikers awful?
Is my gk awful?
Are my tactics wrong?
Players placed wrong on pitch?

Re: Dominating games

By rockstarroberts - 15-12-2021 19:13

Probably should play with more than 3 defenders if you can.Probably should play with more than 3 defenders if you can.

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 15-12-2021 19:27

Ive got two solid defensive mids. Would these not do the job? From what I've seen most teams play 3 at the back for short passing.Ive got two solid defensive mids. Would these not do the job?

From what I've seen most teams play 3 at the back for short passing.

Re: Dominating games

By rockstarroberts - 16-12-2021 00:53

If those defensive mids have high play intelligence then sure. 4 at the back for a balanced formation.If those defensive mids have high play intelligence then sure. 4 at the back for a balanced formation.

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 16-12-2021 01:04

Only 6 and 7. However it doesn't answer the question around why do I concede so much with such little shots on target against. So the opposition aren't getting many chances? Why would 4 or 3 at the back or 2 dms with more PI make a difference? Is the only solution to limit the opposition to zero chances? Is my keeper incredibly poor? Are my defence giving limited zone coverage that in those chances the chances of the opposition scoring any chance they get based not on gk alone but also my defensive players skills? I.e the chance of scoring is the stikers skills against the average skills of my defenders Tackling, PI etc?Only 6 and 7.

However it doesn't answer the question around why do I concede so much with such little shots on target against.

So the opposition aren't getting many chances?

Why would 4 or 3 at the back or 2 dms with more PI make a difference?

Is the only solution to limit the opposition to zero chances?

Is my keeper incredibly poor? Are my defence giving limited zone coverage that in those chances the chances of the opposition scoring any chance they get based not on gk alone but also my defensive players skills?

I.e the chance of scoring is the stikers skills against the average skills of my defenders Tackling, PI etc?

Re: Dominating games

By swaan1 - 16-12-2021 03:28

[STARS]

Some IS luck. Some could be bad players. Some could be bad tactics. Thats what the game is all about. Analyze your games how did they opponent play? Did they swap to Winng play or changed side they here attacking?. IF you find your gooalie always get few saves. Swap your goalie.if you cant score. Swap tactic or attackers. None can give you an exakt anwer for every game. It IS more about Overall trends of all games. Feels like you try to find an answer for every game. It wont be possible.Some IS luck. Some could be bad players. Some could be bad tactics. Thats what the game is all about. Analyze your games how did they opponent play? Did they swap to Winng play or changed side they here attacking?. IF you find your gooalie always get few saves. Swap your goalie.if you cant score. Swap tactic or attackers. None can give you an exakt anwer for every game. It IS more about Overall trends of all games. Feels like you try to find an answer for every game. It wont be possible.

Re: Dominating games

By douglaskampl - 16-12-2021 22:22

[BRAU18]
President

You didn't let your opponent create a lot of chances. Either your keeper is missing on something or his players are extremely efficient. Or the odds were against you. All of your questions are relevant, but we are yet to understand how the simulation works. So, it's very hard to answer them. I don't think you made any huge mistake, tactically speaking. I think your result comes down to bad luck. Either that or you're facing some incredibly efficient forwards. I doubt your keeper is the reason.

k33n3y wrote:

Only 6 and 7.

However it doesn't answer the question around why do I concede so much with such little shots on target against.

So the opposition aren't getting many chances?

Why would 4 or 3 at the back or 2 dms with more PI make a difference?

Is the only solution to limit the opposition to zero chances?

Is my keeper incredibly poor? Are my defence giving limited zone coverage that in those chances the chances of the opposition scoring any chance they get based not on gk alone but also my defensive players skills?

I.e the chance of scoring is the stikers skills against the average skills of my defenders Tackling, PI etc?

You didn't let your opponent create a lot of chances. Either your keeper is missing on something or his players are extremely efficient. Or the odds were against you.

k33n3y wrote:

Only 6 and 7.

However it doesn't answer the question around why do I concede so much with such little shots on target against.

So the opposition aren't getting many chances?

Why would 4 or 3 at the back or 2 dms with more PI make a difference?

Is the only solution to limit the opposition to zero chances?

Is my keeper incredibly poor? Are my defence giving limited zone coverage that in those chances the chances of the opposition scoring any chance they get based not on gk alone but also my defensive players skills?

I.e the chance of scoring is the stikers skills against the average skills of my defenders Tackling, PI etc?

All of your questions are relevant, but we are yet to understand how the simulation works. So, it's very hard to answer them.

I don't think you made any huge mistake, tactically speaking. I think your result comes down to bad luck. Either that or you're facing some incredibly efficient forwards. I doubt your keeper is the reason.

Re: Dominating games

By milsu - 17-12-2021 12:19

[Ex Yu]

Man, it is very much random. I tested today my Tactic A vs. Tactic B, and A had 23-9 in shots on target, but B won 3-2 in goals. The same players, the same keeper, just different formations. It makes no sense, at least testing your own tactics vs. each other should give some relevant objective result, but it doesn't. https://i.postimg.cc/3wK5gSBs/Screen-Shot-20211217114722.pngMan, it is very much random. I tested today my Tactic A vs. Tactic B, and A had 23-9 in shots on target, but B won 3-2 in goals. The same players, the same keeper, just different formations. It makes no sense, at least testing your own tactics vs. each other should give some relevant objective result, but it doesn't.

https://i.postimg.cc/3wK5gSBs/Screen-Shot-20211217114722.png

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 17-12-2021 20:02

From the analyses above. Id argue your backline is more exposed with only 3 defenders as opposed to 5. Then you also generate more chances due to more midfielders. Its an assumption but thats where I'm starting to conclude why my goals against percentage for shots against on target is so incredibly high.From the analyses above. Id argue your backline is more exposed with only 3 defenders as opposed to 5.

Then you also generate more chances due to more midfielders.

Its an assumption but thats where I'm starting to conclude why my goals against percentage for shots against on target is so incredibly high.

Re: Dominating games

By milsu - 17-12-2021 21:12

[Ex Yu]

Both formations have 5 defenders, and actually A formation uses them all 5 in 3-2 setup, while the full backs in B formation were practically out of play, and only 3 center backs were effective. Both formations are 5-3-2, so 3 midfielders in both.

k33n3y wrote:

From the analyses above. Id argue your backline is more exposed with only 3 defenders as opposed to 5.

Then you also generate more chances due to more midfielders.

Its an assumption but thats where I'm starting to conclude why my goals against percentage for shots against on target is so incredibly high.

Both formations have 5 defenders, and actually A formation uses them all 5 in 3-2 setup, while the full backs in B formation were practically out of play, and only 3 center backs were effective. Both formations are 5-3-2, so 3 midfielders in both.

Re: Dominating games

By douglaskampl - 18-12-2021 00:58

[BRAU18]
President

Well, there are way more goal scoring opportunities being generated in Tactic A compared to Tactic B due to the lack of defensive midfielders in Tactic B. Tactic A defends the plays through the middle much better than tactic B (which has those two fullbacks practically out of play being "wasted"). Now, I might be tripping, but I watched some matches and I think we also need to take on account that the players may shoot from different positions depending on the attacking layout of your tactic. The likelihood of the ball going in could depend on where the shots come from. It's a known fact that headers are a more efficient way of scoring than just shoting, but what if shots also differ on likelihood of going in depending on where they're taken from? And stamina plays a big role here. The more tired your player is, the more likely he will be to miss a goal scoring opportunity, especially against keepers with good stamina. The other way round is also true. In youth matches, supersubs score very often because the keepers tend to be underdeveloped and most of them don't have high stamina.Well, there are way more goal scoring opportunities being generated in Tactic A compared to Tactic B due to the lack of defensive midfielders in Tactic B. Tactic A defends the plays through the middle much better than tactic B (which has those two fullbacks practically out of play being "wasted").

Now, I might be tripping, but I watched some matches and I think we also need to take on account that the players may shoot from different positions depending on the attacking layout of your tactic. The likelihood of the ball going in could depend on where the shots come from. It's a known fact that headers are a more efficient way of scoring than just shoting, but what if shots also differ on likelihood of going in depending on where they're taken from?

And stamina plays a big role here. The more tired your player is, the more likely he will be to miss a goal scoring opportunity, especially against keepers with good stamina. The other way round is also true. In youth matches, supersubs score very often because the keepers tend to be underdeveloped and most of them don't have high stamina.

Re: Dominating games

By k33n3y - 09-03-2022 14:26

Coming back to this topic. Yilmaz has an offer of 915k currently. So glad I persisted with him. Hes really come along.Coming back to this topic.

Yilmaz has an offer of 915k currently. So glad I persisted with him.

Hes really come along.

 

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