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Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By mauro16 (NCA) - 03-12-2021 16:08

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Reduce the tendency of adquiring red & yellow cards in u18 matches(or players). Make it even with the current ratio of cards we have in senior age group. The amount of cards in this age group is excesive. Especially the red cards. I always find myself having to replace the CB and the CDM at least once every 3 matches, and of course the other teams suffer this as well! But it's even worse in playoff, sometimes we have to deal with at least one player being suspended in every game of the final bracket. A balance is needed.Reduce the tendency of adquiring red & yellow cards in u18 matches(or players).

Make it even with the current ratio of cards we have in senior age group.


The amount of cards in this age group is excesive. Especially the red cards.

I always find myself having to replace the CB and the CDM at least once every 3 matches, and of course the other teams suffer this as well!

But it's even worse in playoff, sometimes we have to deal with at least one player being suspended in every game of the final bracket.

A balance is needed.

 

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Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By douglaskampl - 09-12-2021 16:01

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Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By mauro16 (NCA) - 09-12-2021 17:29

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For sure!! 👌🏼👌🏼 I find it hard to understand why nobody seems to care about this imbalance in the game that affects directly to the generation of players that are more difficult to replace(you have to adjust with what you have, there is no market). Just by replacing one 18 yo player with a 16 yo from the bench does quite a damage. Sometimes two or more players have to be replaced...

douglaskampl wrote:

A picture is worth a thousand words

For sure!! 👌🏼👌🏼

I find it hard to understand why nobody seems to care about this imbalance in the game that affects directly to the generation of players that are more difficult to replace(you have to adjust with what you have, there is no market).

Just by replacing one 18 yo player with a 16 yo from the bench does quite a damage. Sometimes two or more players have to be replaced...

Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By swaan1 - 10-12-2021 04:39

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It IS becouse your youths have low PI. Pick players with a nice base pi or train a few balls to minimize cardsIt IS becouse your youths have low PI. Pick players with a nice base pi or train a few balls to minimize cards

Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By mauro16 (NCA) - 10-12-2021 05:00

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My CB and CDM both have 3 on intel. Isn't that decent for the u18 category? I mean... I have players on u21 team with the same or even less PI and they doesn't seem to be affected negatively as much as the u18 players in regards to the amount of cards they receive.

swaan1 wrote:

It IS becouse your youths have low PI. Pick players with a nice base pi or train a few balls to minimize cards

My CB and CDM both have 3 on intel. Isn't that decent for the u18 category?

I mean... I have players on u21 team with the same or even less PI and they doesn't seem to be affected negatively as much as the u18 players in regards to the amount of cards they receive.

Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By mauro16 (NCA) - 10-12-2021 05:07

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I'll make them visible to prove my point. CB [fpl=216669802] CDM [fpl=216669797]

swaan1 wrote:

It IS becouse your youths have low PI. Pick players with a nice base pi or train a few balls to minimize cards

I'll make them visible to prove my point.

CB

Denis Tsyplenkov

Age: 28

CDM

Bertin Galnares

Age: 28

Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By swaan1 - 10-12-2021 10:20

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New plan: Put your 18y on the bench. Then they cant get any cards:)

mauro16 wrote:

My CB and CDM both have 3 on intel. Isn't that decent for the u18 category?

I mean... I have players on u21 team with the same or even less PI and they doesn't seem to be affected negatively as much as the u18 players in regards to the amount of cards they receive.

New plan: Put your 18y on the bench. Then they cant get any cards:)

Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By jere92 - 10-12-2021 10:58

It probably has more to do with the experience than PI if player gets carded or not. Also I think there is also something to do with the level of tackling of a player versus oppoment ball control. Like tackler needs TA,PI and XP to tackle better and cleaner. Also im curious what pressing option are you using? My bookings for this seniors with normal pressing Defenders 1 PI8, TA10, [b]XP8[/b] = 1 yellow 2 [b]PI7[/b], TA9, [b]XP9[/b] = 2 yellows 3 PI7, TA8, XP10 = no cards 4 PI9, TA9, XP10 = no cards 5 PI7, TA9, XP10 = no cards Midfield 6 [b]PI5, TA8[/b], XP10 = 1 yellow 7 PI9, TA9, XP9 = no cards 8 PI8, [b]TA6, XP8[/b] = 1 yellow 5 yellow cards in total this far to season. Last season almost same squad with commited pressing got 8 yellow and 2 red cards. Ofc it is annoying but I bet they cant fix the simulator without messing with the seniors. If the bookings are heavily connected with experience tweaking it to be less effective would probably make senior games have no cards at all. I mean both age groups play with the same rule set by the simulator so U18 matches lack the experience to avoid those bookings. So I think it makes things harder to fix. I also think you should aim 7 tackling for your defensive players for U18 players and these both player you show have less than that. Here is my U18 defensive players for now there is camping also going so there is also one 16 yo in the mix. http://mzplayer.se/?id=1210091174 Simo got red carded last league game even tho he has 10 balls in tackling..It probably has more to do with the experience than PI if player gets carded or not. Also I think there is also something to do with the level of tackling of a player versus oppoment ball control. Like tackler needs TA,PI and XP to tackle better and cleaner.

Also im curious what pressing option are you using?

My bookings for this seniors with normal pressing
Defenders
1 PI8, TA10, XP8 = 1 yellow
2 PI7, TA9, XP9 = 2 yellows
3 PI7, TA8, XP10 = no cards
4 PI9, TA9, XP10 = no cards
5 PI7, TA9, XP10 = no cards
Midfield
6 PI5, TA8, XP10 = 1 yellow
7 PI9, TA9, XP9 = no cards
8 PI8, TA6, XP8 = 1 yellow

5 yellow cards in total this far to season. Last season almost same squad with commited pressing got 8 yellow and 2 red cards.

Ofc it is annoying but I bet they cant fix the simulator without messing with the seniors. If the bookings are heavily connected with experience tweaking it to be less effective would probably make senior games have no cards at all. I mean both age groups play with the same rule set by the simulator so U18 matches lack the experience to avoid those bookings. So I think it makes things harder to fix.

I also think you should aim 7 tackling for your defensive players for U18 players and these both player you show have less than that.

Here is my U18 defensive players for now there is camping also going so there is also one 16 yo in the mix.

http://mzplayer.se/?id=1210091174

Simo got red carded last league game even tho he has 10 balls in tackling..

Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By mauro16 (NCA) - 10-12-2021 17:06

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Yes, I consider exp as one of the main reasons. The problem is that it shouldn't be that much imbalanced compared to other categories, to the point of saying "ohh youth players have less intel, tackling and exp, let's make them a cards machine." I believe this wasn't the intention of developers. It's just the outcome of how the sim works with the parameters they given. A small adjustment will be fair enough. I play Wings - Offensive - Passive . I have decent stamina for playing normal, but I prefer to believe that playing passive helps my team to receive less cards. Regarding the tackling ability, unfortunately as I develop a team that plays wings, I need to train LP a lot. It's no longer a priority of my defensive players to achieve 9 or 10 in Tackling. Which I certainly did in the past(with the same outcome). Would be interesting if more people share they experiences as you did.

jere92 wrote:

It probably has more to do with the experience than PI if player gets carded or not. Also I think there is also something to do with the level of tackling of a player versus oppoment ball control. Like tackler needs TA,PI and XP to tackle better and cleaner.

Also im curious what pressing option are you using?

My bookings for this seniors with normal pressing
Defenders
1 PI8, TA10, XP8 = 1 yellow
2 PI7, TA9, XP9 = 2 yellows
3 PI7, TA8, XP10 = no cards
4 PI9, TA9, XP10 = no cards
5 PI7, TA9, XP10 = no cards
Midfield
6 PI5, TA8, XP10 = 1 yellow
7 PI9, TA9, XP9 = no cards
8 PI8, TA6, XP8 = 1 yellow

5 yellow cards in total this far to season. Last season almost same squad with commited pressing got 8 yellow and 2 red cards.

Ofc it is annoying but I bet they cant fix the simulator without messing with the seniors. If the bookings are heavily connected with experience tweaking it to be less effective would probably make senior games have no cards at all. I mean both age groups play with the same rule set by the simulator so U18 matches lack the experience to avoid those bookings. So I think it makes things harder to fix.

I also think you should aim 7 tackling for your defensive players for U18 players and these both player you show have less than that.

Here is my U18 defensive players for now there is camping also going so there is also one 16 yo in the mix.

http://mzplayer.se/?id=1210091174

Simo got red carded last league game even tho he has 10 balls in tackling..

Yes, I consider exp as one of the main reasons. The problem is that it shouldn't be that much imbalanced compared to other categories, to the point of saying "ohh youth players have less intel, tackling and exp, let's make them a cards machine."

I believe this wasn't the intention of developers. It's just the outcome of how the sim works with the parameters they given. A small adjustment will be fair enough.

I play Wings - Offensive - Passive .

I have decent stamina for playing normal, but I prefer to believe that playing passive helps my team to receive less cards.

Regarding the tackling ability, unfortunately as I develop a team that plays wings, I need to train LP a lot. It's no longer a priority of my defensive players to achieve 9 or 10 in Tackling. Which I certainly did in the past(with the same outcome).

Would be interesting if more people share they experiences as you did.

Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By jere92 - 10-12-2021 19:38

Yeah 100% its not the intention of devs this is just an side effect that happened in the process just adding the UX competition without trying to tweak the simulator. Its clear something would be nice to be done about it, but If we cant say for sure what causes what in the simulator its hard to give advice or tell what would Be best solution to handle these tweaks without massively messing up other age groups. I would throw quick small one. Increase importance of tackling and reduce same amount of importance in experience. Then we could atleast counter these cards but putting too much importance in the skill we cant train gives us nothing to work with. This kind of tweak would cause more bookings on senior level as tackling isnt guaranteed 10 like experience is.Yeah 100% its not the intention of devs this is just an side effect that happened in the process just adding the UX competition without trying to tweak the simulator.

Its clear something would be nice to be done about it, but If we cant say for sure what causes what in the simulator its hard to give advice or tell what would Be best solution to handle these tweaks without massively messing up other age groups.

I would throw quick small one.

Increase importance of tackling and reduce same amount of importance in experience. Then we could atleast counter these cards but putting too much importance in the skill we cant train gives us nothing to work with. This kind of tweak would cause more bookings on senior level as tackling isnt guaranteed 10 like experience is.

Re: Reduce red & yellow cards in u18 matches.

By douglaskampl - 12-12-2021 04:04

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I think experience is the main reason for the red cards. I have a U18 player with 5 PI, good tackling and good speed/stamina, yet he used to get so many red cards that I ended up moving him to the midfield. My team got so much better, lol. I also have a CB with 4 PI and he is prone to cards too. My players are open if you want to check. My entire U18 team is a red card magnet. Same goes for many other managers of course. I see a lot of people complaining. It seems that there is indeed an imbalance compared to senior/U21/U23 matches. If the other team has a player with good speed/ball control, it's almost certain that your defenders will get carded. That doesn't happen with my U21 team, even though I'm facing some very good teams from time to time. It happens only on the U18 matches. The attackers seem to be way more overpowered than the defenders in tackling situations for some reason. Also, there are some hidden factors in this game for sure. The amount of red cards may be high for an entire team, but it seems that some specific players get more carded than others. And I swear I'm not going crazy. I watch some matches and I noticed that one of my defenders is way more aggressive when chasing the ball. And he gets out of position way more often than the others. Which results in cards 😂I think experience is the main reason for the red cards. I have a U18 player with 5 PI, good tackling and good speed/stamina, yet he used to get so many red cards that I ended up moving him to the midfield. My team got so much better, lol. I also have a CB with 4 PI and he is prone to cards too. My players are open if you want to check. My entire U18 team is a red card magnet. Same goes for many other managers of course. I see a lot of people complaining.

It seems that there is indeed an imbalance compared to senior/U21/U23 matches. If the other team has a player with good speed/ball control, it's almost certain that your defenders will get carded. That doesn't happen with my U21 team, even though I'm facing some very good teams from time to time. It happens only on the U18 matches. The attackers seem to be way more overpowered than the defenders in tackling situations for some reason.

Also, there are some hidden factors in this game for sure. The amount of red cards may be high for an entire team, but it seems that some specific players get more carded than others. And I swear I'm not going crazy. I watch some matches and I noticed that one of my defenders is way more aggressive when chasing the ball. And he gets out of position way more often than the others. Which results in cards 😂

 

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