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I've heard alot about how there is an abundance of cash in the game but frankly for teams trying to bridge the gap to the long standing managers. This is simply not true. Sponsor money in div 2 is appalling.

I'm currently at a 72k loss pee week trying to bring players on to use or sell. Hence bridge the gap to all the established teams with 60 man squads. I dont pay for the game apart from the monthly thing. Dont spend more tokens.

I don't see how you expect new managers to bridge that gap and be able to afford week in and week out expenses. I'm 936k minus on expenses each season. I'll get some of this back from end of season awards if I play 18 friendlies. But still makes me 500k short. So I need to sell players or sacrifice my account. Which will keep the gap as is.

So how does anyone expect managers like myself able to bridge that gap and compete. Its practically impossible.
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Trying to learn the game. Know what to train and how to train quicker. I've still loads to learn myself. I think you're talking two or 3 real life years arguably what's that 10-12 seasons.

My best sell for youth players was 100k really I got lucky with a def when I was in financial ruin. If I'd known how good he was a wouldn't have sold him but he kept my club alive I could potentially sell my keeper for 500k plus. But the best players coming through we need to keep to bridge the gap. So the idea of trying to sell off our prospects is less appealing

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By searching the forums and chatting about the game with other managers, you could be able to understand youth-training programs within 1 season i guess.

You just need 3 others seasons to raise your youth from 16 to 19 years old.
Once the train is running, you'll easily make 500.000 €. Maybe not every season, but on average over the seasons it should easily work.
Off course you need to:
- be very carefull which youths to pick from the exchange program
- keep very good track of your training program. Especially your training camps; They ALLWAYS have to be full of players (youth and/or senior). everybody goes 5 weeks.
- train the appropriate skills. Most likely speed/stamina/tackling or speed/stamina/shoot.

i really can't see how youth can't make profit, but it might be due to the belgian market being better then other countries because of the U21/23 teams or so? i don't know...

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oh also: don't selle every player at 19. Sometimes you'll have to wait untill the moneyballs are in the right place...

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k33n3y wrote:
Trying to learn the game. Know what to train and how to train quicker. I've still loads to learn myself. I think you're talking two or 3 real life years arguably what's that 10-12 seasons.

My best sell for youth players was 100k really I got lucky with a def when I was in financial ruin. If I'd known how good he was a wouldn't have sold him but he kept my club alive I could potentially sell my keeper for 500k plus. But the best players coming through we need to keep to bridge the gap. So the idea of trying to sell off our prospects is less appealing


So, you are saying you aren't earning 500k per season because you have a lot to learn with regard to youth training and selling players. Well, I have a lot to learn too, but I'd be more than happy to give you tips and maybe offer some advice if you can show me your current youth players. Sometimes I see so many average players going for a lot of money in the market that I really doubt that you can't make your desired 500k per season!

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I just saw you sold Freddy Vine for a bit over 200k. That is close to half your goal! Great job. Now a couple more and you've earned 500k. Keep in mind that you can probably shave off 100k in salaries as well!

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I'm working on it. Only got 50% on vine but I bought him for 1gbp. In hindsight I should have trained him. He's got potential for 3 10s. Ah well. I'll take the 90k.

I've changed a couple of coaches and looking to sell 1 or 2 more players.

The mid season and end season money should be fine.

Now to fix my results. I've had two horrific results in my league. I'm still on for 3rd but I need to improve my squad to be good enough for retention in div 1. My team all need more training. They're still quite young at 24/25.

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k33n3y wrote:
I'm working on it. Only got 50% on vine but I bought him for 1gbp. In hindsight I should have trained him. He's got potential for 3 10s. Ah well. I'll take the 90k.

I've changed a couple of coaches and looking to sell 1 or 2 more players.

The mid season and end season money should be fine.

Now to fix my results. I've had two horrific results in my league. I'm still on for 3rd but I need to improve my squad to be good enough for retention in div 1. My team all need more training. They're still quite young at 24/25.


Oh, you should Wait until 70 days has passed. I’ve made that mistake as well!

Keep us updated in this post please!

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Is that sarcasm?

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No its not most of your profit went to taxes as player didn't spend over 70 days in your team. To try player trading I would suggest players Be those 70 days straight up camping. Buy end of season, sell mid season they get two 5 week camps to get high amount of training on those 70 days on your team.

Sales Taxes
As well as paying a fee to add players to the transfer market, youl also have to pay tax on any profits you make when you sell a player.

However, if you decide to sell a player soon after buying him, you will be penalised with higher taxes. You will also incur higher taxes if you sell a youth player within three years of him graduating to your senior team.

The tax rates on own products are calculated on the birth season of the player. The tax rate is calculated when the player joins the new club.

Age Tax Rate
19 - 25%
20 - 20%
21 or older - 15%


Tax rate on bought players:
Days Since Purchase Tax Rate
≤ 28 days - 95%
≤ 70 days - 50%
> 70 days - 15%


Please note that profits on players who were a part of your club when you became manager, and youth players who began at your Academy, are calculated using their current value rather than purchase price.

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I understand all that. I was asking if his post about me keeping you updated in this post was him being sarcastic lol.

I truly didn't appreciate Vines potential. I had actually had him up for 1gbp two days earlier and no1 bought him. Fast forward a few days and suddenly he goes for 180k. I knew I would only get 50% profit. I had a talk with a manager on Discord.

I still have to reiterate that bridging the gap is massive. Maybe possible in 2 real life years at minimum. This selling of players every season for 500k isn't possible as you need to keep a lot of these players to be competitive.

Or maybe what the advice is to just sit in div 3 for the first 8-10 seasons. Build a suitable prem worthy team then push to prem with those players in their prime at 26-28?

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These are my current out goings.

Player salaries 176 897 GBP
Staff salaries 29 049 GBP
Stadium upkeep 15 940 GBP
Facilities upkeep 5 543 GBP
Youth Academy costs 25 300 GBP
Total 252 729 GBP

I feel these are appropriate. I'm making back around 200k.per week.

So simple math 53kx13=568k.

Not taking into account training camps etc. I make a little more than that from the mid tour and end of season tour. So break even.

But what I'm saying is with the infrastructure already set in place. Unless I'm lucky with training youths or some prospects come through that I can sell where I dont need to keep then I'm struggling to improve.

I've currently got 22yo defender who is 8speed, 9 stam, 7 pass and 9 Tackling. I cant sell him due to BC and PI. However he could be very very good if his aerial goes to 8 surely? His PI will reach 7 imo. If I cant this player for even 150k. How do you expect me to even advance?

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Interesting thread here. Also when you play at a higher standard it’s quite interesting how people aim to make money. I know accounts on here with 20/30m in their bank and the pot keeps growing. Ultimately the best way to make money is through your youths but you need good systems in place.

This goes for experienced and inexperienced managers. The rest is up to you and how you create the balance. Work out the economics and what not. Sometimes I’ve encroached the £0 mark. That’s because I know a tour is coming and I can sell a player for a decent amount of money. One thing I have always done but I’ve been here now over 10 years is buying players that hold value. I wouldn’t recommend going for quick fast glory in buying old cheap players. Though this will get you a lot of bank sooner. So it depends how you play it. Though I think you’ve shot yourself in the foot early son, you’ve gone guns blazing with youths and coaches. Follow these wise guys words, I’ve had a read myself. Even I’m learning everyday on here.

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Thanks fella. Ive less players now. Sold some youths that would be harder to hit potential and made some spends. I have bought a couple of oldies up top with good skills and 10 shooting. This way I can hopefully hold and maintain div 1 status. From here I now want to train my youths. Some will be sold and hopefully some will make long term first team players. We will see. Id not he able to financially afford it without the tours though. Maybe in time I can sell players for 1m+

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It depends. If you have the experience of a top class manager then you'd only need maximum 3 season to develop youths or turn over TL players. However someone coming in and attempting to learn the game properly and then put those skills in play. You're talking years. Then try and bridge the gap. Probably longer.

However I'd still argue its unrealistic to expect 500k per season from selling youth players.

Thats what 7 players a season roughly. When you start this game you have to keep the better players for your first team to help bridge the gap. So the left over players will be lucky to even get 100k or 200k for them all.

Because you never get the money you can't buy players for 1m plus which is what it takes to bridge the gap. Prize money goes to all the established long standing teams who have all the money.

Then put unto the mix without paying for the game. You struggle for finances also.

Another problem is not having the money to develop youths as you can't afford to send them to youth camps.

Did I capture most things.

But you'll likely come back and tell me BS and its easier.

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Wow long day. I've just replied to a post from November that I'd already replied to. I'm an idiot.

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k33n3y wrote:
Wow long day. I've just replied to a post from November that I'd already replied to. I'm an idiot.


We all are😅

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Haha. It captures my thoughts on money well still. So not all lost.

I'm doing ok now tbf. In Div 1 and performing well. Most of the squad is 24-26. Then I have a crop of 19-23s that will either step up or be sold.

Rinse and repeat. See if I can get to the prem.

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k33n3y wrote:

However I'd still argue its unrealistic to expect 500k per season from selling youth players.

Thats what 7 players a season roughly. When you start this game you have to keep the better players for your first team to help bridge the gap. So the left over players will be lucky to even get 100k or 200k for them all.


If you choose to keep your players, that will lower your income from selling players. Fair enough.

On the other hand, if you train them well and choose to sell them, it's quick money. Especially if you sell at the end of the season when they're 20. Lots of U21 teams will be ready to buy your players for ridiculous values (assuming you trained them well).

If you're not keen on selling your own players, you can profit by buying players from the market and reselling them later. You don't need to rely on your players only.

Still, I find it hard to not make 500k per season. Even if you keep some of your good players. Take a look at my team. My players have their attributes open. I have 5 19 year old players that recently came from my youth academy. One of them alone is worth more than 500k, because he is guaranteed to have 9 speed (if not 10), 8 stamina and 10 tackling. I could sell him and keep the rest. I could sell the worst of the bunch and keep the better ones. Whatever. One player is worth more than 500k alone. And if you have a youth academy with 23 players it's very easy to have at least 1 player worth more than 500k per season. Or lots of players that worth more than 500k, alternatively.

You will have at least one gold mine per season. Or players with good potential that could be sold for good money. You can profit even if you want to keep some of your players. And you can do that even if you're not a club member.

I don't understand your frustration.

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This player was sold for millions (5M GBP, euros, whatever, something like that):



I'm sure you can do something similar. Then, you're set for seasons and can even keep your other players
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