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Just sharing my experience with the pfizer vaccine, a few weeks ago my 23 y/old daughter that lives with us catched COVID, she was with fever and in pretty bad shape for at least 5/6 days, my wife is fully vaccinated and didn't catch it but I had only 1 dose that I took 3 months ago and I did catch COVID a few days later, considering how ill my daughter was feeling and that I was just due for my 2nd shot, I was pretty worried when my test came positive but it seems even one dose taken 3 months ago gives you some solid protection from the most serious effects of COVID, all the symptoms I had was a sore throat and loss of smell, didn't even run a fever, it just felt like I had a cold or allergies and it took just 5 days for my tests to start coming negative and about a week for my sense of smell to come back, on the other hand my unvaccinated daughter is still unfortunately not fully recovered, feeling a bit tired and still has not recovered her sense of smell but she's slowly getting better as days go by.

Anyway, just sharing my experience in case is useful to anyone.
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Good sharing, but may I know on why you haven’t take your second dose yet? I thought for Pfizer, you should take the second shot after two weeks something or the efficacy rate will dropped?

Anyway for Malaysia, we have a limited supply of Pfizer vaccine, so we focus on Astra Zeneca and Sinovac at the moment.

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forgot to share more details about my country vaccination programme, it has three stages.

The first phase starting from February to April for frontline workers involving 500,000 people such as those from police force, medical, members of parliament etc.
The first phase got Pfizer vaccine. Second jab is a must after two weeks.

The second phase is currently ongoing from April to August, involving senior citizens aged 60 and above, as well as vulnerable groups with morbidity issues and persons with disabilities. The second phase use Astra Zeneca and Sinovac. Yes, we are aware of the blood clot issue on Astra, but our Health Ministry said that the benefits outweigh risks, so I guess most people not really worried about the side effects anymore as long as they got the vaccines.


The third phase is scheduled from May this year to February next year for all aged 18 and above and those who were not vaccinated before. This final stage however might be postponed due to the limited vaccines supply. And because of that, I have been vaccinated yet. 🥺

Btw, all of the vaccines are free of charge.

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hopefully my country can achieve herd immunity by February next year or earlier than that, if not we might end up like India.

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maria171 wrote:
Good sharing, but may I know on why you haven’t take your second dose yet? I thought for Pfizer, you should take the second shot after two weeks something or the efficacy rate will dropped?


I'm living in England and they wait up to 12 weeks before shots as the idea is to vaccinate most of the population with at least one shot as fast as possible, so they wait longer for the 2nd shot than in other Countries, I think it's a good idea as it will certainly prevent a lot of deaths and it has been tested that the vaccine doesn't lose effectivity for waiting between shots, is just that initially it was tested waiting less time between shots and that's what the lab specified.

My wife got the Aztrazeca btw, but for some reason I got Pfizer, not sure if there's any logic behind that or is just random.

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Adrian, I think you get what’s available at the time.

Btw I did not realise you were living in the UK!

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Hey Brian, Yeah I've been in England since 2011 😁

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Yeah as Brian said, you get what’s available in your region.
I hope your daughter fully recovers soon 👍🏼🙂

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I'm still hesitating about vaccination.

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The symptoms you experienced had nothing to do with the vaccine protecting you. Covid is a bad flue. I had it, my whole family too. Some worse than others overall just a bad flue. Now if those are the symptoms try to make sense of the death numbers. They were predicting millions of deaths. The dramatic videos coming out of China, it does seem to be like a big joke on us, LOL.

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superdad123 wrote:
Yeah as Brian said, you get what’s available in your region.
I hope your daughter fully recovers soon 👍🏼🙂


Thanks!

charef wrote:
I'm still hesitating about vaccination.


If most people are vaccinated, then your risk of catching it will be a lot higher than now as vaccinated people are likely to be asymptomatic or have very light symptoms and will carry on with their lifes not knowing they had COVID until it's too late.

albeagle wrote:
The symptoms you experienced had nothing to do with the vaccine protecting you. Covid is a bad flue. I had it, my whole family too. Some worse than others overall just a bad flue.


No idea how old you're but that's a big factor. I don't personally know anyone in their 50s that died of a case of "bad flu" but unfortunately I lost two friends around November last year and none of them with any underlying conditions and in good physical shape, I also know a couple in their 60s and the guy is overweight and has diabetes and he wasn't very sick at all so sometimes it's a bit random or maybe it has to do with what strain of COVID you catch, who knows? I'm pretty sure most people knows someone that died of COVID at this point so it's really ignorant to say it's a bad flu.

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I only know 4 people that caught covid, all ended up in ICU for at least 5 days. That includes an otherwise healthy 18 and 29 year old.

I'm getting my first pfizer shot next week and second 3 weeks after.

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maria171 wrote:
I thought for Pfizer, you should take the second shot after two weeks something or the efficacy rate will dropped?


Recent studies have indicated that if you extend the gap between 1st and 2nd dose, then your body will produce more antibodies.

Here in Estonia the gap is set to 6 weeks with pfizer.

dagriggstar wrote:
I'm getting my first pfizer shot next week and second 3 weeks after.


Same here - monday 31st is my first shot! :) second one will be scheduled 6 weeks..even time and location will be same! :)

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I had my first dose of Astra Zaneca. Good as gold. I hope more people get it in Australia so we can start moving about the world, my children can see their grandparents again, my wife can see her family all situated overseas and also, stupid states don't go into lockdown whenever there is only a couple of infections. Bloody ridiculous nanny state we live in. People are living in fear brought on by the continual negative drivel the media & government ministers keep piling into everyone's ears. I'm sick of it.

If we all get vaccinated, we are less like to be affected by the disease and pass it onto others, eventually it will just go away. It's a no brainer, get vaccinated.

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Get my first jab tomorrow

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I've had two shots as of 12 days ago. No side effects.

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on 12th july had my second shot of pfizer - no side effects here.

Today checked my antibodies - 9151.4 AU/ml.

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evosa wrote:
on 12th july had my second shot of pfizer - no side effects here.

Today checked my antibodies - 9151.4 AU/ml.


That's cool, didn't know you can check your antibodies :)

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now you can travel, see a game, see a concert, drink a coffee, now you can relax, there is no other reason for vaccine

RELAX, life is beautiful, you don't have to work, just relax

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darkline wrote:
That's cool, didn't know you can check your antibodies :)


Yes - if you want to read more about it, you can google "quantitative igg antibody test for coronavirus". Cannot post link due do the test is paid service and this could qualify as spam.

stan76 wrote:
now you can travel, see a game, see a concert, drink a coffee, now you can relax, there is no other reason for vaccine

RELAX, life is beautiful, you don't have to work, just relax


there is a reason why this is allowed this time...wonder what it is?(this is a rhetorical question)

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buddy, do you know what one antibody can do? otherwise it's just a number like this: 4

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4 came out from my lucky hat, if you believe me

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Vaccines are not natural guys, wake up its for your own good. They want to force people to get vaccinated, is that ok with you?. It should be by choice to get vaccinated. How about you guys look what these vaccines are made off, what's inside them. Do that at least for yourselves. And it will not end with one vaccine you gonna have to take boosters forever.

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shqipe wrote:
Vaccines are not natural guys


Never heard of a natural vaccine. Before vaccines people died or got very sick of Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitis B, Rubella, Measles, Diphtheria etc. etc. , in any case, I personally dodged the COVID bullet just because I had one dose of the vaccine so I have no regrets.

shqipe wrote:
They want to force people to get vaccinated, is that ok with you?. It should be by choice to get vaccinated.


I don't think they can't force you, but I imagine in the near future there are a lot of things you won't be able to do if you're not vaccinated, like travelling to other Countries, going to a massive event like a concert, stadiums, working at hospitals, care homes, etc. but it will still be your choice to get vaccinated or not.

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I believe smoking weed is a better approach to vaccination as it protects you against covid because you don't go anywhere to be able to catch it!

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I thought for Pfizer, you should take the second shot after two weeks something or the efficacy rate will dropped? https://get-vidmate.com https://instasave.onl/

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i wonder who know that vaccine was discovered by louis pasteur? when you will know what that men believes, you will not feel that smart

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"man believed"

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I believe everyone is entitled to his/her own decision regarding vaccination. I personally am sad to see we as species have evolved so much and science has progressed a lot in the past 200 years, but we choose to still not listen to scientists and doctors and researchers that have created this for us. Yes, a vaccine is not natural,you don't find it growing in the forest, it's man-made, but so are liquors and cigarettes and a lot of harmful things we get inside our bodies, and I don't see too many people making a fuss about those.

Vaccination is our way out form this pandemic, I believe. This is not a vaccine that has been researched in the past year, there is a reason this virus is called SARS-COV-2 and that is because SARS-COV-1 existed already in 2003. Since then, the genome had been sequenced and a lot of effort has been put into researching it. We just had to pick up the research from where it was left.

Being a Romanian citizen currently residing in another European country, I feel sad to see how bad Romania is doing at the moment. The fact that only 35% of the people in Romania had vaccinated is strongly related to the tragedy is happening now there. We are basically Europe's control group for studying the effectiveness of the vaccine. The 4th wave has struck hard and hundreds of people are dying daily. Meanwhile, where I live, in a country that is closing in on 90% vaccination, life is almost back to normal.

So yes, vaccinate yourself and encourage your loved ones to do so as well. Or don't, it's your choice. But at least stop spreading false information about it.

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the flu ever evolved? every year it is a different flu? it is more adapted?
radu please search who was louis pasteur. it is a false impression that science is about atheists and darwinists. if i ask you what they discovered, it will come a very long silence

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it is not a question, every year it is a different flu

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stan76 wrote:
radu please search who was louis pasteur.


Why would I research Louis Pasteur, he didn't create the COVID vaccine and he was long dead even before the first coronavirus was know to mankind? Stop changing the topic of this thread to a guy best known for a process to preserve milk.

stan76 wrote:

it is a false impression that science is about atheists and darwinists. if i ask you what they discovered, it will come a very long silence


That is not my impression and I have never declared it as such. Again, it's not the topic of the thread. Also, who is they? You aren't making much sense.

stan76 wrote:

the flu ever evolved? every year it is a different flu? it is more adapted?


The viruses causing influenza are known to mutate periodically, so yes, it gets to a point that every year is a different flu.

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louis pasteur invented the vaccine. the vaccine is a substance which can produce antibodies. it contain the virus itself, dead or weak
dogs are different, they are mutation? yes. dar still dogs , not another species. why the flu don't become stronger every year radu?

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"mutations"
"the flu doesn't"

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tremendeous mistake without editing, never saw this
dar is but in romanian

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stan76 wrote:

dogs are different, they are mutation? yes. dar still dogs , not another species. why the flu don't become stronger every year radu?


Are you seriously comparing a mammal, one of the most complex animals known to mankind, to a virus? A dog doesn't mutate yearly, the current state of the species is the result of millions of years of evolution. The flu might become stronger or more infectious or more harmful, depending how lucky we get with mutations. It's not something we can anticipate and prepare for, therefore we cannot be proactive about it, but just reactive.

stan76 wrote:

the vaccine is a substance which can produce antibodies. it contain the virus itself, dead or weak

Not the mRNA vaccine, which contains no trace of the virus itself and therefore it is non-infectious.

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stan76 wrote:
louis pasteur invented the vaccine. the vaccine is a substance which can produce antibodies. it contain the virus itself, dead or weak
dogs are different, they are mutation? yes. dar still dogs , not another species. why the flu don't become stronger every year radu?


Just saying that Louis Pasteur didn't invent the vaccine..... Edward Jenner is recognized as the creator of the vaccines, he innoculated a kid with the vaccinia virus and proved that it gave immunity to smallpox, the word "vaccine" comes from the vaccinia virus that he used for this and that was before Pasteur was even born.

No idea what you're trying to say though, I know Pasteur created the rabies vaccine but have no idea what mutated dogs and Pasteur have to do with the covid vaccine.

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trust a man without my father is useless to society, think to you. all discovery came from from my father, even the earth is round, galileo galilei, the internet try to change that in real time, after i say

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"trust me"

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they try to hide even alan turing was hebrew, in hours they hide that

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The smallpox vaccine was the first vaccine to be developed against a contagious disease. In 1796, the British doctor Edward Jenner demonstrated that an infection with the relatively mild cowpox virus conferred immunity against the deadly smallpox virus. Cowpox served as a natural vaccine until the modern smallpox vaccine emerged in the 20th century. From 1958 to 1977, the World Health Organization conducted a global vaccination campaign that eradicated smallpox, making it the only human disease to be eradicated. Although routine smallpox vaccination is no longer performed on the general public, the vaccine is still being produced to guard against bioterrorism, biological warfare, and for monkeypox.[2][3]

The term vaccine derives from the Latin word for cow, reflecting the origins of smallpox vaccination. Edward Jenner referred to cowpox as variolae vaccinae (smallpox of the cow). The origins of the smallpox vaccine became murky over time,[4] especially after Louis Pasteur developed laboratory techniques for creating vaccines in the 19th century. Allan Watt Downie demonstrated in 1939 that the modern smallpox vaccine was serologically distinct from cowpox,[5] and vaccinia was subsequently recognized as a separate viral species. Whole-genome sequencing has revealed that vaccinia is most closely related to horsepox, and the cowpox strains found in Great Britain are the least closely related to vaccinia.[6]

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Edward Jenner play with cows

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"played"

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stan76 wrote:
they try to hide even alan turing was hebrew, in hours they hide that


What was that now? Alan Turing the mathematician? What does it has to do with the subject and why would anyone hide it and who cares if he was an hebrew? I have no idea if he was hebrew, hinduist, budhist, hare krishna, jehovah witness or scientologist but who cares about religion? I know I don't.

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darkline wrote:
What was that now? Alan Turing the mathematician? What does it has to do with the subject and why would anyone hide it and who cares if he was an hebrew? I have no idea if he was hebrew, hinduist, budhist, hare krishna, jehovah witness or scientologist but who cares about religion? I know I don't.


Right? He makes no sense whatsoever and the fact that a guy's religion was brought up like it somehow overshadows his numerous accomplishments makes me understand that there is no need to reply to him anymore.

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you know absolutely nothing, nor about the earth is round (i can prove to you the earth is round, you can't prove to me) nor about the periodic table (you don't know how mendeleev, search about this guy, did it). you mime inteligence. you don't know simple things

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if i talk to you about dna you have no idea what it is, how they see that

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The more time passes, the more and more I doubt that vaccines are really useful. What kind of vaccine is this, if you can still be a carrier of infection for other people, and even get sick yourself, albeit in a mild form? I myself have been vaccinated with Pfizer, but I believe that natural immunity protects the body much better than any vaccine.

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Recently I got vaccinated and haven't gotten sick yet. I feel good. I know that many of my vaccinated acquaintances also feel great. I think that the vaccine in many cases is really effective.

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I took Pfizer and it turned me into an alligator. Would not recommend.

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douglaskampl wrote:
I took Pfizer and it turned me into an alligator. Would not recommend.


 
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