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Countries with dead transfer market

By coswin - 04-05-2021 15:39

[FRF]

I know this must be a topic that has been discussed in the past, but since it's not on the front page I feel like it's still not discussed enough. In short, if you play in a country where there are not so many active teams there is no way to actually enjoy this game. First of all, you won't have any competition until the higher leagues, but most important: [b]you can not grow a team since the transfer market for domestic players is absolutely dead[/b]. To give you an example, currently the Netherlands transfer market has two pages of players, most of them absolutely useless. I understand that the residence permits were introduced for that reason, but let's be honest, those place fill up quite fast and who would want to occupy them with just a young player as a punt that maybe he turns into a quality player. Not to mention that for new teams, that resident permit is not peanuts, 100k-200k is quite a lot of money if you just started. In the unlikely event that there is a decent domestic player you still have 0 chances of buying it since the senior manager just have millions in the account while you're struggling to pay rent on the stadium. One can argue that you have less competition on the market, but that's also not the case since you're just looking to strike a deal, you can't afford to compete with others. So all in all, this is quite unfair. As a club member I expect that we're paying the same money all over the world, so why not get back the same features from the game? I knew there have been talks for a free market, what's the latest on that?I know this must be a topic that has been discussed in the past, but since it's not on the front page I feel like it's still not discussed enough.

In short, if you play in a country where there are not so many active teams there is no way to actually enjoy this game.
First of all, you won't have any competition until the higher leagues, but most important: you can not grow a team since the transfer market for domestic players is absolutely dead. To give you an example, currently the Netherlands transfer market has two pages of players, most of them absolutely useless.

I understand that the residence permits were introduced for that reason, but let's be honest, those place fill up quite fast and who would want to occupy them with just a young player as a punt that maybe he turns into a quality player.
Not to mention that for new teams, that resident permit is not peanuts, 100k-200k is quite a lot of money if you just started.

In the unlikely event that there is a decent domestic player you still have 0 chances of buying it since the senior manager just have millions in the account while you're struggling to pay rent on the stadium.

One can argue that you have less competition on the market, but that's also not the case since you're just looking to strike a deal, you can't afford to compete with others.

So all in all, this is quite unfair. As a club member I expect that we're paying the same money all over the world, so why not get back the same features from the game?
I knew there have been talks for a free market, what's the latest on that?

 

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Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 04-05-2021 15:52

[FLUSA]
President

Free market will make things worse for you, it will rise the prices of good players as you'll have everyone competing for them instead of just a limited amount of managers, what's even worst is that managers will be able to compete for young talent with no restrictions whatsoever so forget about paying any affordable sum of money for any decent player, all you'll be able to buy is deteriorating players unless your team is ultra rich. And I'm not talking just superstars, free market will increase the prices of your most average players and this is something you can see it on the market, Argentinian players for example are more expensive than a similar quality American player, you can get an American young player for lets say $5K and that same player might cost $100K if it was Argentinian.Free market will make things worse for you, it will rise the prices of good players as you'll have everyone competing for them instead of just a limited amount of managers, what's even worst is that managers will be able to compete for young talent with no restrictions whatsoever so forget about paying any affordable sum of money for any decent player, all you'll be able to buy is deteriorating players unless your team is ultra rich.

And I'm not talking just superstars, free market will increase the prices of your most average players and this is something you can see it on the market, Argentinian players for example are more expensive than a similar quality American player, you can get an American young player for lets say $5K and that same player might cost $100K if it was Argentinian.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By coswin - 04-05-2021 16:13

[FRF]

That already happens, if the player it decent it will attract attention from lower divisions in Argentina, Poland anyway. I see it for even below average players. So while I agree with you it might get worse, at least the pool for me fishing will also be bigger and I can at least rely on the timezone to win a bid.

darkline wrote:

it will rise the prices of good players as you'll have everyone competing for them instead of just a limited amount of managers, what's even worst is that managers will be able to compete for young talent with no restrictions whatsoever so forget about paying any affordable sum of money for any decent player, all you'll be able to buy is deteriorating players unless your team is ultra rich.

That already happens, if the player it decent it will attract attention from lower divisions in Argentina, Poland anyway. I see it for even below average players. So while I agree with you it might get worse, at least the pool for me fishing will also be bigger and I can at least rely on the timezone to win a bid.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 04-05-2021 16:34

[FLUSA]
President

That happens but it's just a few teams from lower divisions that have spaces for 5/6 foreigners and that are willing to pay the fee for a permit if needed, now imagine what will happen if those teams don't have any restrictions or additional fees, you'll have at least 20 times the teams competing for those same players and with unlimited competition I expect that at the very least you'll pay 20x the prices you pay today, at least for average cheap players, don't think it'll affect the market for expensive players.

coswin wrote:

That already happens, if the player it decent it will attract attention from lower divisions in Argentina, Poland anyway.

That happens but it's just a few teams from lower divisions that have spaces for 5/6 foreigners and that are willing to pay the fee for a permit if needed, now imagine what will happen if those teams don't have any restrictions or additional fees, you'll have at least 20 times the teams competing for those same players and with unlimited competition I expect that at the very least you'll pay 20x the prices you pay today, at least for average cheap players, don't think it'll affect the market for expensive players.

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Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By coswin - 04-05-2021 16:35

[FRF]

And the main problem remains: currently there are simply no players available. So yes, I'll be ok with more competition (perhaps some sort of progressive tax for resident permits based on team's value/finance). But having competition is still better than having no options.And the main problem remains: currently there are simply no players available. So yes, I'll be ok with more competition (perhaps some sort of progressive tax for resident permits based on team's value/finance). But having competition is still better than having no options.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By coswin - 04-05-2021 16:48

[FRF]

I get your point and agree with it. But I think that even though the problems overlap, there are still different. - One part is that some people in the game simply have too much money and great buying power. - Another one is that others don't have access to the same resources (players) as everyone. That just makes the gap bigger in time. Because having access to many players also increases quite significantly your chances to find a decent player, develop it and selling it for profit. So the manager on more productive markets can also make more money easier. While if you have access to 10 players that you can't buy anyway, how can you progress except from your own youths?

darkline wrote:

with unlimited competition I expect that at the very least you'll pay 20x the prices you pay today, at least for average cheap players, don't think it'll affect the market for expensive players.

I get your point and agree with it. But I think that even though the problems overlap, there are still different.
- One part is that some people in the game simply have too much money and great buying power.
- Another one is that others don't have access to the same resources (players) as everyone.

That just makes the gap bigger in time. Because having access to many players also increases quite significantly your chances to find a decent player, develop it and selling it for profit. So the manager on more productive markets can also make more money easier. While if you have access to 10 players that you can't buy anyway, how can you progress except from your own youths?

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 04-05-2021 17:24

[FLUSA]
President

I just checked your market and atm is slightly better than ours, you have 2 full pages of transfers and many U21 NT players. To be honest, the market was better when it was only 3 foreigners and no permits IMO, you could make profit by training players, selling them on the local market and you would always make money, this days I end up firing 90% of the players I raise as it's not worth it to even try to sell them as people don't have the need to buy average local players for their squads. Anyway, I'm guessing eventually they'll do something like what you want as it's probably something that most people want, problem is that what people wants and what people needs are usually two different things.

coswin wrote:

And the main problem remains: currently there are simply no players available. So yes, I'll be ok with more competition (perhaps some sort of progressive tax for resident permits based on team's value/finance). But having competition is still better than having no options.

I just checked your market and atm is slightly better than ours, you have 2 full pages of transfers and many U21 NT players. To be honest, the market was better when it was only 3 foreigners and no permits IMO, you could make profit by training players, selling them on the local market and you would always make money, this days I end up firing 90% of the players I raise as it's not worth it to even try to sell them as people don't have the need to buy average local players for their squads.

Anyway, I'm guessing eventually they'll do something like what you want as it's probably something that most people want, problem is that what people wants and what people needs are usually two different things.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By coswin - 04-05-2021 18:27

[FRF]

Those players were extracted by the national coaches from dead teams, so they're NT players only so that they could be put on the market. They are maxed on 7-8 speed stamina so useless. Anyway, I feel it's unfair that even we're on the same platform we play quite a different game compared to other countries. Indeed, it's almost like playing this game in single-player mode.

darkline wrote:

you have 2 full pages of transfers and many U21 NT players.

Those players were extracted by the national coaches from dead teams, so they're NT players only so that they could be put on the market. They are maxed on 7-8 speed stamina so useless.

Anyway, I feel it's unfair that even we're on the same platform we play quite a different game compared to other countries.

darkline wrote:

I end up firing 90% of the players I raise as it's not worth it to even try to sell them as people don't have the need to buy average local players for their squads.

Indeed, it's almost like playing this game in single-player mode.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By deleted_5240478 - 04-05-2021 22:06

Try the Scottish market!Try the Scottish market!

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 04-05-2021 22:44

[FLUSA]
President

I feel your pain, but at least you can get more foreigners from the market while the USA and Netherlands are on "Region B" because theoretically we have a market similar to China or Romania and therefore, we can get as many foreign players & permits as them.... I mean... there are 10 pages of players from Romania and 9 from China, who are we grouped with them when we only have 1/2 pages in average is baffling.... also, an unfair competitive advantage for those Countries with a strong market and the limitations of Countries with a very limited market, but oh well....

brian_mcsnail wrote:

Try the Scottish market!

I feel your pain, but at least you can get more foreigners from the market while the USA and Netherlands are on "Region B" because theoretically we have a market similar to China or Romania and therefore, we can get as many foreign players & permits as them....

I mean... there are 10 pages of players from Romania and 9 from China, who are we grouped with them when we only have 1/2 pages in average is baffling.... also, an unfair competitive advantage for those Countries with a strong market and the limitations of Countries with a very limited market, but oh well....

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By superdad123 - 04-05-2021 22:57

[ENG]

Maybe if the younger,poorer players wages were a lot lower managers would be more inclined to keep them. If an 18 year old maxed at 6 in ball control I would probably get rid because of his £3500 wages per week but if he was getting £800 pw I might try and build his other skills, he could still be a great player. This in turn might help the transfer market.Maybe if the younger,poorer players wages were a lot lower managers would be more inclined to keep them.
If an 18 year old maxed at 6 in ball control I would probably get rid because of his £3500 wages per week but if he was getting £800 pw I might try and build his other skills, he could still be a great player. This in turn might help the transfer market.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By webregas - 04-05-2021 23:59

[ENG]

Agree it would make sense to cap wages on players under 21 - would encourage you to keep 1 or 2 more on per cycle and would probably improve the quality of the UXX leagues tooAgree it would make sense to cap wages on players under 21 - would encourage you to keep 1 or 2 more on per cycle and would probably improve the quality of the UXX leagues too

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By deleted_5240478 - 05-05-2021 08:34

What I find baffling is I have players who have come through my academy and now 21 cost more in wages in players who I have bought at 21. Not really seen the advantage of training! Of all the time I have been back one player has actually survived! He is 24 now and the closest to him to survive is 21. I kinda thought 2 a season would survive which would make youth academy’s worth while. The sell on value for the rest of the players is worthless! Then we have the random results! Oh no!I'm turning in to a gurn!What I find baffling is I have players who have come through my academy and now 21 cost more in wages in players who I have bought at 21. Not really seen the advantage of training! Of all the time I have been back one player has actually survived! He is 24 now and the closest to him to survive is 21. I kinda thought 2 a season would survive which would make youth academy’s worth while. The sell on value for the rest of the players is worthless!

Then we have the random results! Oh no!I'm turning in to a gurn!

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By schr - 05-05-2021 11:51

[BotP]

Try the [image url=https://i.ibb.co/CbC5QB7/israelflag.jpg] [b]Israeli[/b] market! Here we are from [b]region C[/b], so if I take the tour I can have 11 foreigners in the team, this makes my team competitive in one category. Currently I have a U21 team with 10 foreigners and we are the leader in the [b]U21 League: Mediterrenean - div1.2[/b], but without the foreigners it would never be possible. I already read some topics about a player having two nationalities, that would be good for a team and a national team, but I don't know how it could be implemented in ManagerZone. [image url=https://i.ibb.co/xhCqqzx/flag-il.png] [b]Schr[/b]Try the Israeli market!

Here we are from region C, so if I take the tour I can have 11 foreigners in the team, this makes my team competitive in one category.

Currently I have a U21 team with 10 foreigners and we are the leader in the U21 League: Mediterrenean - div1.2, but without the foreigners it would never be possible.

I already read some topics about a player having two nationalities, that would be good for a team and a national team, but I don't know how it could be implemented in ManagerZone.

Schr

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By disinocht - 05-05-2021 17:10

[204]
President

That actually sounds epic, imo. Imagine if they quadrupled the Work Permit cost (40x 1-week salary), and then the player would have that nationality for the rest of their carreer, unless someone else pays to change it. That would give meaning to the Recidency days that counts on any foreign players in the game now, since they removed the 45-day requirement to buy a work permit. I do believe the player would have to be in the country for 91 days in order to qualify for a second nationality, though.

schr wrote:

I already read some topics about a player having two nationalities, that would be good for a team and a national team, but I don't know how it could be implemented in ManagerZone.

That actually sounds epic, imo.

Imagine if they quadrupled the Work Permit cost (40x 1-week salary), and then the player would have that nationality for the rest of their carreer, unless someone else pays to change it.

That would give meaning to the Recidency days that counts on any foreign players in the game now, since they removed the 45-day requirement to buy a work permit.

I do believe the player would have to be in the country for 91 days in order to qualify for a second nationality, though.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By deleted_5240478 - 05-05-2021 21:22

Personally I think minimum 3 seasons in a country to be able to switch nation!Personally I think minimum 3 seasons in a country to be able to switch nation!

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By schr - 05-05-2021 23:35

[BotP]

I would love to hear the opinion of the crew, if they have already thought about it, if they think of something for supplement. [image url=http://i.imgur.com/rSqmTPO.gif]

brian_mcsnail wrote:

Personally I think minimum 3 seasons in a country to be able to switch nation!

I would love to hear the opinion of the crew, if they have already thought about it, if they think of something for supplement.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By schr - 05-05-2021 23:35

[BotP]

It's something to think about [image url=http://i.imgur.com/KKx3thu.gif]

disinocht wrote:

That actually sounds epic, imo.

Imagine if they quadrupled the Work Permit cost (40x 1-week salary), and then the player would have that nationality for the rest of their carreer, unless someone else pays to change it.

That would give meaning to the Recidency days that counts on any foreign players in the game now, since they removed the 45-day requirement to buy a work permit.

I do believe the player would have to be in the country for 91 days in order to qualify for a second nationality, though.

It's something to think about

Beantwortet: Countries with dead transfer market

By samooo - 06-05-2021 12:10

[AFB]

Bigger gap of wages between young players and outskilled ones, and open transfermarket for all. That sounds like a solution for me!

superdad123 wrote:

Maybe if the younger,poorer players wages were a lot lower managers would be more inclined to keep them.
If an 18 year old maxed at 6 in ball control I would probably get rid because of his £3500 wages per week but if he was getting £800 pw I might try and build his other skills, he could still be a great player. This in turn might help the transfer market.

Bigger gap of wages between young players and outskilled ones, and open transfermarket for all. That sounds like a solution for me!

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By coswin - 06-05-2021 12:23

[FRF]

These forum discussions are more like a support group to cry on each others shoulders, but I came to realize that probably no one at Power Challenge even reads them. :)These forum discussions are more like a support group to cry on each others shoulders, but I came to realize that probably no one at Power Challenge even reads them. :)

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By disinocht - 06-05-2021 13:22

[204]
President

I wouldn’t agree on that. Personally I’m pleased with the situation as my country’s market is stable and don’t really cara when I lose against play. I can confirm that Crew reads the forums, but sometimes it’s for the better to leave some unanwsered.

coswin wrote:

These forum discussions are more like a support group to cry on each others shoulders, but I came to realize that probably no one at Power Challenge even reads them. :)

I wouldn’t agree on that. Personally I’m pleased with the situation as my country’s market is stable and don’t really cara when I lose against play.

I can confirm that Crew reads the forums, but sometimes it’s for the better to leave some unanwsered.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By schr - 06-05-2021 13:36

[BotP]

I agree [image url=http://i.imgur.com/LdCQyai.png]

disinocht wrote:

I can confirm that Crew reads the forums, but sometimes it’s for the better to leave some unanwsered.

I agree

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By coswin - 06-05-2021 15:47

[FRF]

Sure, you can be pleased personally as it doesn't affect you, but what about us, the rest? Someone should care and if it's not the one collecting the money at the end of the day, who should? I guess you can see it as "if you don't like it just don't play it" which is fair and seems to be the strategy applied at the moment, but some would like to play it and actually enjoying it.

disinocht wrote:

I wouldn’t agree on that. Personally I’m pleased with the situation as my country’s market is stable and don’t really cara when I lose against play.

Sure, you can be pleased personally as it doesn't affect you, but what about us, the rest? Someone should care and if it's not the one collecting the money at the end of the day, who should?

I guess you can see it as "if you don't like it just don't play it" which is fair and seems to be the strategy applied at the moment, but some would like to play it and actually enjoying it.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By disinocht - 06-05-2021 17:40

[204]
President

I know I do! I agree with you on the fact that there are thousands of opinions, but at the end of the day, if you don't enjoy the game, one shouldn't spend their hours on it. As you said. If a proposal for a game-changing mechanic is forwarded to the Crew, they will read it [b]and[/b] take it into consideration if it's thoroughly thought through and well presented.

coswin wrote:

.. but some would like to play it and actually enjoying it.

I know I do!

I agree with you on the fact that there are thousands of opinions, but at the end of the day, if you don't enjoy the game, one shouldn't spend their hours on it. As you said.

If a proposal for a game-changing mechanic is forwarded to the Crew, they will read it and take it into consideration if it's thoroughly thought through and well presented.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 06-05-2021 22:25

[POLSKA]

Or Irish haha, many days there is none, 0 players, if they are some it's in 90% cases some very bad players who people are selling for 1EUR. One thing that killed the market specially the small countries was the 9 foreigners rule, when there was 3 our market was quite all right, there were always players to buy, because we had to train more, instead of getting rid of players, we had no choice but train no matter what, and no matter how bad the players were. Therefore more players on the market and national team would benefit more. Now all you need is 1-2 players and the rest you buy from the world. I agree that if there is no limits, the teams that have loads of money will just buy the ''potential'' players and prices will be mad, because now they can maybe use 1-2 foreign places for this, if there is free market maybe 10, or so.

brian_mcsnail wrote:

Try the Scottish market!

Or Irish haha, many days there is none, 0 players, if they are some it's in 90% cases some very bad players who people are selling for 1EUR.

One thing that killed the market specially the small countries was the 9 foreigners rule, when there was 3 our market was quite all right, there were always players to buy, because we had to train more, instead of getting rid of players, we had no choice but train no matter what, and no matter how bad the players were. Therefore more players on the market and national team would benefit more. Now all you need is 1-2 players and the rest you buy from the world.

I agree that if there is no limits, the teams that have loads of money will just buy the ''potential'' players and prices will be mad, because now they can maybe use 1-2 foreign places for this, if there is free market maybe 10, or so.

Отн: Countries with dead transfer market

By naskoch (LA) - 08-05-2021 08:55

[BUL]

The problem can be solved just with increasing the amount of good youths at the academies, also the prices will be not so big for the few good players that appears At small countries there are 0-2 good players on the market per season, and they usually are taken from teams from Argentina, Poland or Sweeden, because they cant buy cheap 19yo players and sell them expensive after 1-2 seasons Also even with 11 foreing players you can maintain a strong team only for one age - senior or u23 for example, both not possible, so people from biggest countries run good senior team and good uXx teams and gain another advantage from all cups and competitions and earning more money from the rest and this is a close cycle Why EU countries dont have one market for example like must beThe problem can be solved just with increasing the amount of good youths at the academies, also the prices will be not so big for the few good players that appears
At small countries there are 0-2 good players on the market per season, and they usually are taken from teams from Argentina, Poland or Sweeden, because they cant buy cheap 19yo players and sell them expensive after 1-2 seasons
Also even with 11 foreing players you can maintain a strong team only for one age - senior or u23 for example, both not possible, so people from biggest countries run good senior team and good uXx teams and gain another advantage from all cups and competitions and earning more money from the rest and this is a close cycle

Why EU countries dont have one market for example like must be

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By deleted_5240478 - 08-05-2021 09:53

I honestly think that domestic leagues should have more say in how that league is ran. We should have our own FA where we set the rules for leagues How many foreign players you can play domesticity, how many home grown players, do you have to have x amount of U23 on match day squad. Then we have Continental Fed’s which dictates the same requirements for there competitions All Football Associations/Federations are voted in.I honestly think that domestic leagues should have more say in how that league is ran.

We should have our own FA where we set the rules for leagues

How many foreign players you can play domesticity, how many home grown players, do you have to have x amount of U23 on match day squad.

Then we have Continental Fed’s which dictates the same requirements for there competitions

All Football Associations/Federations are voted in.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By disinocht - 08-05-2021 10:53

[204]
President

So you think we should have another election for the FA spots, like the NC? I like the concept. Imagine if 5-6 managers together could make changes with simple rules like that. Unfortunately I could not imagine Crew spending hundereds of hours developing this. But if they did, Managerzone would become the [b]most unique manager-game ever.[/b]

brian_mcsnail wrote:

I honestly think that domestic leagues should have more say in how that league is ran.

We should have our own FA where we set the rules for leagues

So you think we should have another election for the FA spots, like the NC?

I like the concept. Imagine if 5-6 managers together could make changes with simple rules like that.

Unfortunately I could not imagine Crew spending hundereds of hours developing this. But if they did, Managerzone would become the most unique manager-game ever.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By deleted_5240478 - 08-05-2021 11:29

It would would be a game changer imho! A game called Football Identity did something similar but it was more picking time and day of league games. Rivalling other leagues was a big thing!It would would be a game changer imho!

A game called Football Identity did something similar but it was more picking time and day of league games.

Rivalling other leagues was a big thing!

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By disinocht - 08-05-2021 11:36

[204]
President

I’d definetly like to see it in action!I’d definetly like to see it in action!

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 08-05-2021 14:00

[FLUSA]
President

So you're saying that what's expensive for you is cheap for them because you're not willing to pay as much money as them.... and you want to give them unlimited access to cheap players? Surely you can see how counterintuitive this is....

naskoch wrote:

At small countries there are 0-2 good players on the market per season, and they usually are taken from teams from Argentina, Poland or Sweeden, because they cant buy cheap 19yo players and sell them expensive after 1-2 seasons

So you're saying that what's expensive for you is cheap for them because you're not willing to pay as much money as them.... and you want to give them unlimited access to cheap players? Surely you can see how counterintuitive this is....

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 08-05-2021 15:12

[FLUSA]
President

And that is exactly what I said it would happen.... also, you can't make any money on the market with graduates unless they're very good as people don't have any need for local players, but managers wanted more foreigners thinking it will benefit them for the same reasons they now want an unlimited market, most people just don't think about the long term consequences.

lukaszsz182 wrote:

One thing that killed the market specially the small countries was the 9 foreigners rule, when there was 3 our market was quite all right, there were always players to buy, because we had to train more, instead of getting rid of players, we had no choice but train no matter what, and no matter how bad the players were. Therefore more players on the market and national team would benefit more. Now all you need is 1-2 players and the rest you buy from the world.

And that is exactly what I said it would happen.... also, you can't make any money on the market with graduates unless they're very good as people don't have any need for local players, but managers wanted more foreigners thinking it will benefit them for the same reasons they now want an unlimited market, most people just don't think about the long term consequences.

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By tiger13 - 08-05-2021 17:07

[LEGEND]

After everyone can see the potential in a young player, it is almost impossible to sell players who do not have star potential. This is completely independent of the size of the MZ-land. The excitement we had before checking if each new ball was the last or not has disappeared😢 I was happy with the new premise at first, because it would give me a good tool for finding the most useful talents, but the excitement has disappeared, and the opportunity for a good sale of usable players is almost gone.After everyone can see the potential in a young player, it is almost impossible to sell players who do not have star potential.
This is completely independent of the size of the MZ-land.
The excitement we had before checking if each new ball was the last or not has disappeared😢
I was happy with the new premise at first, because it would give me a good tool for finding the most useful talents, but the excitement has disappeared, and the opportunity for a good sale of usable players is almost gone.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By deleted_5240478 - 08-05-2021 18:35

Personally I think the stars should be only seen by the club who trained the player !Personally I think the stars should be only seen by the club who trained the player !

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By disinocht - 09-05-2021 00:47

[204]
President

Like the childhood club or current?

brian_mcsnail wrote:

Personally I think the stars should be only seen by the club who trained the player !

Like the childhood club or current?

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 09-05-2021 01:35

[FLUSA]
President

Yes, training is super boring now to the point I keep forgetting to send my players to TC as I don't check the training report everyday like I used to do and the market is the same thing, no motivation to train players because unless you get randomly lucky and get a 4-2 with a good scout, the rest are not really worth the time and effort because even if they look good managers won't pay much... all everyone cares is the scout and that's just pure luck, you flip players on youth exchange hoping to get one with a good scout and that's pretty much all you can do this days, no planning, no need to think if the player being offered has more potential than the ones you want to trade, all that you know instantly by looking at the scout.

tiger13 wrote:

After everyone can see the potential in a young player, it is almost impossible to sell players who do not have star potential.
This is completely independent of the size of the MZ-land.
The excitement we had before checking if each new ball was the last or not has disappeared😢
I was happy with the new premise at first, because it would give me a good tool for finding the most useful talents, but the excitement has disappeared, and the opportunity for a good sale of usable players is almost gone.

Yes, training is super boring now to the point I keep forgetting to send my players to TC as I don't check the training report everyday like I used to do and the market is the same thing, no motivation to train players because unless you get randomly lucky and get a 4-2 with a good scout, the rest are not really worth the time and effort because even if they look good managers won't pay much... all everyone cares is the scout and that's just pure luck, you flip players on youth exchange hoping to get one with a good scout and that's pretty much all you can do this days, no planning, no need to think if the player being offered has more potential than the ones you want to trade, all that you know instantly by looking at the scout.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By chucky06 - 09-05-2021 08:37

[AUSNZ]
President

There plenty of things that could be introduced but everything seems to favour the small countries it the large and I can’t really find any solutions or heard anything that is very neutral. Other suggestions: 1. Increase all player salaries and reward teams for fielding local players. E.g players who have been at your club many seasons should get a big discount. Players out of your youth academy should get a bigger discount again. These players may not be as good as the stars out there but you are rewarded financially to keep or have them. 2. Introduce team chemistry (much like FIFA ultimate team). Will encourage teams to buy from their own local markets or performance will suffer.There plenty of things that could be introduced but everything seems to favour the small countries it the large and I can’t really find any solutions or heard anything that is very neutral.

Other suggestions:
1. Increase all player salaries and reward teams for fielding local players. E.g players who have been at your club many seasons should get a big discount. Players out of your youth academy should get a bigger discount again. These players may not be as good as the stars out there but you are rewarded financially to keep or have them.

2. Introduce team chemistry (much like FIFA ultimate team). Will encourage teams to buy from their own local markets or performance will suffer.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By deleted_5240478 - 09-05-2021 10:21

1. I genuinely thought this was the case until recently when I looked at my graduates over players I have bought who are the same age and skill level 2. This is an obvious fix which would stop the one season wonders coming back, buying a squad and the selling again after another failed attempt! I think the most obvious solution to fixing MZ is regionalised leagues. Very simple! Playing with 10/11 active users in nation is kinda depressing! Yes I understand the fixes suggested is for smaller nations. However, we are the ones that have the big issues.

chucky06 wrote:

Other suggestions:
1. Increase all player salaries and reward teams for fielding local players. E.g players who have been at your club many seasons should get a big discount. Players out of your youth academy should get a bigger discount again. These players may not be as good as the stars out there but you are rewarded financially to keep or have them.

2. Introduce team chemistry (much like FIFA ultimate team). Will encourage teams to buy from their own local markets or performance will suffer.

1. I genuinely thought this was the case until recently when I looked at my graduates over players I have bought who are the same age and skill level

2. This is an obvious fix which would stop the one season wonders coming back, buying a squad and the selling again after another failed attempt!

I think the most obvious solution to fixing MZ is regionalised leagues. Very simple! Playing with 10/11 active users in nation is kinda depressing! Yes I understand the fixes suggested is for smaller nations. However, we are the ones that have the big issues.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By disinocht - 09-05-2021 11:53

[204]
President

I get what you mean, but I don’t agree if it would replace the national leagues. I think they should add another senior-league with the same regions as now, with Norway beeing in Northern Europe. Alternatively, they should make the world league either free or mandatory. IMO, all senior cups and tournaments should be free.

brian_mcsnail wrote:

I think the most obvious solution to fixing MZ is regionalised leagues. Very simple! Playing with 10/11 active users in nation is kinda depressing! Yes I understand the fixes suggested is for smaller nations. However, we are the ones that have the big issues.

I get what you mean, but I don’t agree if it would replace the national leagues. I think they should add another senior-league with the same regions as now, with Norway beeing in Northern Europe.

Alternatively, they should make the world league either free or mandatory.

IMO, all senior cups and tournaments should be free.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 09-05-2021 19:56

[FLUSA]
President

Well, that's a solution but doubt it'll be implemented as it probably requires messing with the SIM and as far as I know they haven't touched anything SIM related in about 10 years, but we could have homegrown players start with 10 Chemistry, local players could start with 8 Chemistry and gain 1 ball in Chemistry each year and foreigners could start at 1 but having 2 players from the same foreign Country could raise that to 3, having 3 players from the same nationality could raise Chemistry to 7 or something along those lines, or if you have all locals they all go to 10 Chemistry regardless if the player is homegrown or not, that would lead to some interesting decisions when buying on the market and building your team.... I mean, the more I think about it the more I like the idea, but like I said I wouldn't hold my breath that something like this will be ever implemented, but hope to be proven wrong.

chucky06 wrote:

2. Introduce team chemistry (much like FIFA ultimate team). Will encourage teams to buy from their own local markets or performance will suffer.

Well, that's a solution but doubt it'll be implemented as it probably requires messing with the SIM and as far as I know they haven't touched anything SIM related in about 10 years, but we could have homegrown players start with 10 Chemistry, local players could start with 8 Chemistry and gain 1 ball in Chemistry each year and foreigners could start at 1 but having 2 players from the same foreign Country could raise that to 3, having 3 players from the same nationality could raise Chemistry to 7 or something along those lines, or if you have all locals they all go to 10 Chemistry regardless if the player is homegrown or not, that would lead to some interesting decisions when buying on the market and building your team.... I mean, the more I think about it the more I like the idea, but like I said I wouldn't hold my breath that something like this will be ever implemented, but hope to be proven wrong.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By disinocht - 09-05-2021 21:56

[204]
President

Yeah, I like the sound og that. Removing Set Plays as a skill could be the first step towards it, considering it has no effect on play🤷🏼‍♂️Yeah, I like the sound og that. Removing Set Plays as a skill could be the first step towards it, considering it has no effect on play🤷🏼‍♂️

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By superdad123 - 10-05-2021 14:23

[ENG]

Set plays is an important skill for keepers.Set plays is an important skill for keepers.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By disinocht - 10-05-2021 14:26

[204]
President

Set Plays is an inactive skill, so it has literally no effect on the gamr. Been so for years, unless they’ve changed it lately, which I doubt.

superdad123 wrote:

Set plays is an important skill for keepers.

Set Plays is an inactive skill, so it has literally no effect on the gamr. Been so for years, unless they’ve changed it lately, which I doubt.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By charef (FA) (NC) - 10-05-2021 19:56

[PV]

Ask me about that ! Well, i spoke about naturalisation as a little solution before.Ask me about that !
Well, i spoke about naturalisation as a little solution before.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 10-05-2021 23:43

[POLSKA]

Youth exchange, new training system and too many foreign places are killing the market and it will get worse. Sometimes I look for lets say decent defenders, strikers etc, I get like 6-7 results in this number 2-3 are really good which I would buy if I'm gonna build up my team again. So not just small countries but bigger countries has way less players. The "I can see the future" thing which is thr potential tool tidied up the market, put it simply, we know if player be good so we keep him ;] if he is bad or just fair we exchange him so we won't sell him etc.Youth exchange, new training system and too many foreign places are killing the market and it will get worse. Sometimes I look for lets say decent defenders, strikers etc, I get like 6-7 results in this number 2-3 are really good which I would buy if I'm gonna build up my team again.

So not just small countries but bigger countries has way less players. The "I can see the future" thing which is thr potential tool tidied up the market, put it simply, we know if player be good so we keep him ;] if he is bad or just fair we exchange him so we won't sell him etc.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By chucky06 - 11-05-2021 10:23

[AUSNZ]
President

Agreed to an extend. I bought a team of U20’s for around 40million AUD. They are all U24 now and starting to get bad maxing in important secondaries. For that same money I could have bought 29-34year old and had instant domestic success and been competitive in WL’s. It’s just not the same though and I still value it to be a management game but it’s hardly that anymore and nearly every suggestion you see in the forum is people wanting the game to be even simpler and less management. If I have nothing to manage I’d stop playing the game

lukaszsz182 wrote:

Youth exchange, new training system and too many foreign places are killing the market and it will get worse. Sometimes I look for lets say decent defenders, strikers etc, I get like 6-7 results in this number 2-3 are really good which I would buy if I'm gonna build up my team again.

So not just small countries but bigger countries has way less players. The "I can see the future" thing which is thr potential tool tidied up the market, put it simply, we know if player be good so we keep him ;] if he is bad or just fair we exchange him so we won't sell him etc.

Agreed to an extend. I bought a team of U20’s for around 40million AUD. They are all U24 now and starting to get bad maxing in important secondaries. For that same money I could have bought 29-34year old and had instant domestic success and been competitive in WL’s.

It’s just not the same though and I still value it to be a management game but it’s hardly that anymore and nearly every suggestion you see in the forum is people wanting the game to be even simpler and less management. If I have nothing to manage I’d stop playing the game

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 12-05-2021 21:49

[POLSKA]

Agree 100%, it's hardly a manager game at the moment as we get everything handed. 1,2mln from tours a season so impossible to be even close to bankrupt. We don't have to respect the finance at all.. Everything is made to play at the same level with logging in for few minutes a day. I remmeber the Mz in 2009 when I joined, Jesus... You be thinking wisely before even hiring a good coach because of his salary etc.

chucky06 wrote:

It’s just not the same though and I still value it to be a management game but it’s hardly that anymore and nearly every suggestion you see in the forum is people wanting the game to be even simpler and less management. If I have nothing to manage I’d stop playing the game

Agree 100%, it's hardly a manager game at the moment as we get everything handed. 1,2mln from tours a season so impossible to be even close to bankrupt. We don't have to respect the finance at all..

Everything is made to play at the same level with logging in for few minutes a day. I remmeber the Mz in 2009 when I joined, Jesus... You be thinking wisely before even hiring a good coach because of his salary etc.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By doneman_444 - 13-05-2021 01:40

[MZ UKI]

Interesting you say this because ultimately I think the best solution is to increase the maxing cap or increase the percentage of good players in accordance to the volume, so a country which lacks in volume of players their percentage of better players should increase (a decrease in the minimum cap of 4 balls and a general haul of higher valued potential players (minimum 7 ball maxings etc) but it should only be tweaked a tiny bit. I do feel for the United States, huge volume of players but their market is quite torrid. At least in England the bar is at a sort of peak because we have higher valued active managers

superdad123 wrote:

Maybe if the younger,poorer players wages were a lot lower managers would be more inclined to keep them.
If an 18 year old maxed at 6 in ball control I would probably get rid because of his £3500 wages per week but if he was getting £800 pw I might try and build his other skills, he could still be a great player. This in turn might help the transfer market.

Interesting you say this because ultimately I think the best solution is to increase the maxing cap or increase the percentage of good players in accordance to the volume, so a country which lacks in volume of players their percentage of better players should increase (a decrease in the minimum cap of 4 balls and a general haul of higher valued potential players (minimum 7 ball maxings etc) but it should only be tweaked a tiny bit. I do feel for the United States, huge volume of players but their market is quite torrid. At least in England the bar is at a sort of peak because we have higher valued active managers

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 13-05-2021 04:02

[FLUSA]
President

We have less active managers than England, last National Cup we had 52 participants while England had 68 , so the market we have is representative of the quantity of managers we have.

doneman_444 wrote:

I do feel for the United States, huge volume of players but their market is quite torrid. At least in England the bar is at a sort of peak because we have higher valued active managers

We have less active managers than England, last National Cup we had 52 participants while England had 68 , so the market we have is representative of the quantity of managers we have.

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 13-05-2021 20:56

[POLSKA]

I wonder how come huuuge countries like England and Usa have only about 50-60 active managers...

darkline wrote:

We have less active managers than England, last National Cup we had 52 participants while England had 68 , so the market we have is representative of the quantity of managers we have.

I wonder how come huuuge countries like England and Usa have only about 50-60 active managers...

Re: Countries with dead transfer market

By darkline - 14-05-2021 00:48

[FLUSA]
President

When I started playing back in 2006 the USA community was massive with even the defunct DIV4-6 cup being extremely competitive with 100s of teams, but most of those teams signed up because there was publicity on a very well known Argentinian newspaper that kind of partnered with MZ at the time so a lot of the team in USA belonged to Argentinians living in USA.... also, I don't think there are many new users in USA, most of the teams are from the hardcore base that has been around for years and I'm talking lots and lots of years with most users being from 2006/2007, flaco my NCA started playing 2003 so you get the idea.... it's kind of sad that every season we lose one or two of this old time managers due to frustration, lack of improvement on the SIM which gets boring as there's nothing new to discover tactically, random results, bugs not fixed, etc. etc.When I started playing back in 2006 the USA community was massive with even the defunct DIV4-6 cup being extremely competitive with 100s of teams, but most of those teams signed up because there was publicity on a very well known Argentinian newspaper that kind of partnered with MZ at the time so a lot of the team in USA belonged to Argentinians living in USA.... also, I don't think there are many new users in USA, most of the teams are from the hardcore base that has been around for years and I'm talking lots and lots of years with most users being from 2006/2007, flaco my NCA started playing 2003 so you get the idea.... it's kind of sad that every season we lose one or two of this old time managers due to frustration, lack of improvement on the SIM which gets boring as there's nothing new to discover tactically, random results, bugs not fixed, etc. etc.

 

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