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Too many dump results

By whatsupmen (NCA) - 19-03-2021 06:48

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Guys this season I had many “unlucky results” I create more chances and score less goals than opponents. And is not just a game is all over the place, championship, world championship,season cup, and in the final of national cup. Honestly I am so frustrated about the game and the sim I don’t know what to believe. And I am saying all of that because I see other teams statistically do not get so many “unlucky” results. Also the unlucky games are much more than the lucky ones which can be counted in one hand fingers. What do you all believe? Have you ever experienced so many unlucky results? Maybe I lack something I don’t know??Guys this season I had many “unlucky results” I create more chances and score less goals than opponents. And is not just a game is all over the place, championship, world championship,season cup, and in the final of national cup. Honestly I am so frustrated about the game and the sim I don’t know what to believe. And I am saying all of that because I see other teams statistically do not get so many “unlucky” results. Also the unlucky games are much more than the lucky ones which can be counted in one hand fingers. What do you all believe? Have you ever experienced so many unlucky results? Maybe I lack something I don’t know??

 

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Re: Too many dump results

By chucky06 - 19-03-2021 09:12

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A few people having been complaining more than others but all in all it’s I’ve had pretty reasonable results. I know others that say they are being “simmed” every week. There’s definitely an increase in the best team not always winning but that can be football too. I personally don’t believe the sim is that bad and people need to evolve more to it. It’s kinda like evolution. We can’t change the sim so how do we accomodate more a minimise the variable resultsA few people having been complaining more than others but all in all it’s I’ve had pretty reasonable results. I know others that say they are being “simmed” every week. There’s definitely an increase in the best team not always winning but that can be football too.

I personally don’t believe the sim is that bad and people need to evolve more to it. It’s kinda like evolution. We can’t change the sim so how do we accomodate more a minimise the variable results

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By whatsupmen (NCA) - 19-03-2021 10:04

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Yes my friend we are giving our best shot to adapt to the sim because we love the game but this is not an excuse for so many “unlucky results” and if is excuse someone must say something maybe this is modern football maybe the teams that have that problem lack of experience lack of intelligence I don’t know. I always try to think as it in real life so I can find an excuse or something, is ok for a team to lose sometimes despite being better but so many “unlucky” results no team in the real world has it eventually if you continually play good and you have good players you win. And on top of that other teams statistically do not get that so is not even for everyone. How do you explain that? Just say that this is football? No is not football is manager zone and needs to be fixed or else give some instructions to the teams on how to improve that because probably we the “simmed” ones lack something we don’t know and of course is not luck because that shit is reapeatable.Yes my friend we are giving our best shot to adapt to the sim because we love the game but this is not an excuse for so many “unlucky results” and if is excuse someone must say something maybe this is modern football maybe the teams that have that problem lack of experience lack of intelligence I don’t know. I always try to think as it in real life so I can find an excuse or something, is ok for a team to lose sometimes despite being better but so many “unlucky” results no team in the real world has it eventually if you continually play good and you have good players you win. And on top of that other teams statistically do not get that so is not even for everyone. How do you explain that? Just say that this is football? No is not football is manager zone and needs to be fixed or else give some instructions to the teams on how to improve that because probably we the “simmed” ones lack something we don’t know and of course is not luck because that shit is reapeatable.

Re: Too many dump results

By radu1204 (LA) - 19-03-2021 11:59

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As someone who loses plenty of games despite dominating the opponent, I just find it extra motivating to dig into the sim more and find extra quirks that might help me win it next time. For example, I have built my team around short passing. It is clear to me now that although short passing ends up dominating plenty of games where teams are balanced, it doesn't end up winning them most of the time. The efficiency of wings is simply larger. Now I am trying to work this into my team by finding a good winger and a striker with good heading, in order to be able to have a decent wings tactic that might be an alternative to my normal play. Really basic example, but getting simmed, although annoying, doesn't discourage me, but motivates me even more.As someone who loses plenty of games despite dominating the opponent, I just find it extra motivating to dig into the sim more and find extra quirks that might help me win it next time. For example, I have built my team around short passing. It is clear to me now that although short passing ends up dominating plenty of games where teams are balanced, it doesn't end up winning them most of the time. The efficiency of wings is simply larger. Now I am trying to work this into my team by finding a good winger and a striker with good heading, in order to be able to have a decent wings tactic that might be an alternative to my normal play.

Really basic example, but getting simmed, although annoying, doesn't discourage me, but motivates me even more.

Re: Too many dump results

By chucky06 - 19-03-2021 12:10

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Perfect example of adaptation. Playing wings is also going to get it’s bad result but you will have less. I’ve build my team from U20 up and bought them around playing mainly wing tactics.

radu1204 wrote:

As someone who loses plenty of games despite dominating the opponent, I just find it extra motivating to dig into the sim more and find extra quirks that might help me win it next time. For example, I have built my team around short passing. It is clear to me now that although short passing ends up dominating plenty of games where teams are balanced, it doesn't end up winning them most of the time. The efficiency of wings is simply larger. Now I am trying to work this into my team by finding a good winger and a striker with good heading, in order to be able to have a decent wings tactic that might be an alternative to my normal play.

Really basic example, but getting simmed, although annoying, doesn't discourage me, but motivates me even more.

Perfect example of adaptation. Playing wings is also going to get it’s bad result but you will have less. I’ve build my team from U20 up and bought them around playing mainly wing tactics.

Re: Too many dump results

By deleted_5240478 - 19-03-2021 12:10

For every unlucky result someone has a lucky result. In all honesty work out even at the end of a season.For every unlucky result someone has a lucky result. In all honesty work out even at the end of a season.

Re: Too many dump results

By deleted_5240478 - 19-03-2021 12:11

[b]It should[/b]* work out evenIt should* work out even

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By whatsupmen (NCA) - 19-03-2021 12:29

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I agree with you my friend, you know the things I said above happened although I play via wings. I have already discovered what you said about short passing and I built my team so I can play with Wingers I’m still playing also long passing but the unlucky results came also when playing with wings in the National cup final where I did more chances than the opponent I was playing via wings. So I must say now I don’t have the courage or the motivation to say now is the time to dig more into the sim now is the time for the sim to give some f... instructions 🙃I agree with you my friend, you know the things I said above happened although I play via wings. I have already discovered what you said about short passing and I built my team so I can play with Wingers I’m still playing also long passing but the unlucky results came also when playing with wings in the National cup final where I did more chances than the opponent I was playing via wings. So I must say now I don’t have the courage or the motivation to say now is the time to dig more into the sim now is the time for the sim to give some f... instructions 🙃

Re: Too many dump results

By chucky06 - 19-03-2021 12:56

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That’s the beauty of the game and simulator though. It doesn’t come with instructions. A lot is needed to be worked out yourself. Study the top teams that have success, what tactics do they regularly use, what skills do their players have, which tactic did they have the best results against etc etc. knowledge is power in this game.That’s the beauty of the game and simulator though. It doesn’t come with instructions. A lot is needed to be worked out yourself. Study the top teams that have success, what tactics do they regularly use, what skills do their players have, which tactic did they have the best results against etc etc. knowledge is power in this game.

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By whatsupmen (NCA) - 19-03-2021 13:32

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I am 100% with you in that my friend I am also fascinated with the game but clearly something is wrong I also play with copied tactics from other top teams and I also get the same results. Is like if I put my attacker in position 20,80 he doesn’t score and if I put him in 21,82 is top scorer! Anyway I will send to each of you that replied to my message my team and any other info you want and tell me any ideas and feedback! Really appreciate youI am 100% with you in that my friend I am also fascinated with the game but clearly something is wrong I also play with copied tactics from other top teams and I also get the same results. Is like if I put my attacker in position 20,80 he doesn’t score and if I put him in 21,82 is top scorer!
Anyway I will send to each of you that replied to my message my team and any other info you want and tell me any ideas and feedback! Really appreciate you

Re: Too many dump results

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 19-03-2021 19:19

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:D dig more. I don't know. 2 games, 2 the same tactics, same players, one game is 4-3 for team A second game 5-0 for team B. Would be tough which score to take as reasonable. At list it's not boring :)

radu1204 wrote:

As someone who loses plenty of games despite dominating the opponent, I just find it extra motivating to dig into the sim more and find extra quirks

:D dig more. I don't know. 2 games, 2 the same tactics, same players, one game is 4-3 for team A second game 5-0 for team B.

Would be tough which score to take as reasonable. At list it's not boring :)

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By whatsupmen (NCA) - 19-03-2021 19:44

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Re: Too many dump results

By riskant - 19-03-2021 20:48

Very true, which is evidence that the sim is balance-seeking and it's why there are so many seemingly random scorelines disparate of stats. Looking through my league results, I already know I will not win my next game for example, not because I'm a self-defeatist, but because of the sim's balancing. It's also why scout matches are useless at determining what an official result might be.

brian_mcsnail wrote:

For every unlucky result someone has a lucky result. In all honesty work out even at the end of a season.

Very true, which is evidence that the sim is balance-seeking and it's why there are so many seemingly random scorelines disparate of stats. Looking through my league results, I already know I will not win my next game for example, not because I'm a self-defeatist, but because of the sim's balancing. It's also why scout matches are useless at determining what an official result might be.

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By whatsupmen (NCA) - 19-03-2021 21:16

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So even what you are saying about that is true is ok for me to get one unlucky result in an Official cup final and in some important matches of championship and get it back in another competition like friendly championships or other cups that were already out of the qualifications???So even what you are saying about that is true is ok for me to get one unlucky result in an Official cup final and in some important matches of championship and get it back in another competition like friendly championships or other cups that were already out of the qualifications???

Re: Too many dump results

By riskant - 19-03-2021 21:46

Results are probably self-contained by competition and cups might have an entirely different formula because of the nature of knockouts rounds. Regardless of the competition, I believe that in the end the best team (best players and tactical cohesion) always emerges victorious regardless of individual game stats.

whatsupmen wrote:

So even what you are saying about that is true is ok for me to get one unlucky result in an Official cup final and in some important matches of championship and get it back in another competition like friendly championships or other cups that were already out of the qualifications???

Results are probably self-contained by competition and cups might have an entirely different formula because of the nature of knockouts rounds. Regardless of the competition, I believe that in the end the best team (best players and tactical cohesion) always emerges victorious regardless of individual game stats.

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By whatsupmen (NCA) - 19-03-2021 22:13

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What you are saying is too naive my friend. how a team which lost to cup final by unlucky result where the team played better and also in all the games of the particular cup was always fair winnings gets to win in the end?? In the end of the next cup you mean? In the end when? What you are saying is based where? I am happy to hear every opinion and try to built a good team based on the tricks and secrer key factors of the sim like some others said maybe is lack of experience lack of intelligence but how is this theory of yours going to help solve that issue? Is not ok to say in the end the best team will win because this is not true. Maybe the game repays you with some other lucky results but there is so much more into it and that thing you so easily put up like is been a theory of 30 years of experience is not Helping anyone to understand the gameWhat you are saying is too naive
my friend. how a team which lost to cup final by unlucky result where the team played better and also in all the games of the particular cup was always fair winnings gets to win in the end?? In the end of the next cup you mean? In the end when? What you are saying is based where? I am happy to hear every opinion and try to built a good team based on the tricks and secrer key factors of the sim like some others said maybe is lack of experience lack of intelligence but how is this theory of yours going to help solve that issue? Is not ok to say in the end the best team will win because this is not true. Maybe the game repays you with some other lucky results but there is so much more into it and that thing you so easily put up like is been a theory of 30 years of experience is not
Helping anyone to understand the game

Re: Too many dump results

By riskant - 19-03-2021 22:56

If you'd rather believe and perpetrate that results are entirely luck-based, by all means play U16 players in senior cups against elite teams and enjoy the neverending wait for your lucky break.

whatsupmen wrote:

What you are saying is too naive
my friend. how a team which lost to cup final by unlucky result where the team played better and also in all the games of the particular cup was always fair winnings gets to win in the end?? In the end of the next cup you mean? In the end when? What you are saying is based where? I am happy to hear every opinion and try to built a good team based on the tricks and secrer key factors of the sim like some others said maybe is lack of experience lack of intelligence but how is this theory of yours going to help solve that issue? Is not ok to say in the end the best team will win because this is not true. Maybe the game repays you with some other lucky results but there is so much more into it and that thing you so easily put up like is been a theory of 30 years of experience is not
Helping anyone to understand the game

If you'd rather believe and perpetrate that results are entirely luck-based, by all means play U16 players in senior cups against elite teams and enjoy the neverending wait for your lucky break.

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By whatsupmen (NCA) - 20-03-2021 03:05

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Of course I don’t believe that is entire luck base that’s exactly what I am trying to say to you but you only pointed out that is somehow you are gonna take what deserve. Like the sim is fair and that’s it. By definition fair maybe I think is not fair now but the sim for example now takes in count my lack of experience and took some other factors also in count and put out some “sim fair” results for me I don’t know. And of course I don’t believe in luck only hard work and that why I am here to listen and improve but again saying that just in the end the best team will win nothing changes for any manager that tries to discover the managerzone world and secrets my German friend 😊Of course I don’t believe that is entire luck base that’s exactly what I am trying to say to you but you only pointed out that is somehow you are gonna take what deserve. Like the sim is fair and that’s it. By definition fair maybe I think is not fair now but the sim for example now takes in count my lack of experience and took some other factors also in count and put out some “sim fair” results for me I don’t know. And of course I don’t believe in luck only hard work and that why I am here to listen and improve but again saying that just in the end the best team will win nothing changes for any manager that tries to discover the managerzone world and secrets my German friend 😊

Re: Too many dump results

By gorglbnlgnag - 20-03-2021 17:26

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As I've mentioned earlier, and I have tested a lot. I don't have a clue what's going on in this game anymore, and I've finally had enough. Unless my team starts playing like a real team with the current skills, I will sell out in the season break and never come back. Imagine not logging in every day seeing bloody unfair results. It will be such a bright day, and the time is here. Only a big change the next month will prevent me from selling out in season break/start of next season. Goodbye.As I've mentioned earlier, and I have tested a lot. I don't have a clue what's going on in this game anymore, and I've finally had enough.

Unless my team starts playing like a real team with the current skills, I will sell out in the season break and never come back. Imagine not logging in every day seeing bloody unfair results. It will be such a bright day, and the time is here.

Only a big change the next month will prevent me from selling out in season break/start of next season.

Goodbye.

Re: Too many dump results

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 21-03-2021 22:11

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I know what you feel. I lost 2 league titles when I won the top table and then lost to teams that were x3 worse. You have to take a lesson from that and stop worrying about this results. I don't care any more. I play for a very long time and nothing more will surprise me. So take it lightly. I sold me entire team, just playing for fun now since many seasons, with my own players, and now I got many games when my rivals were simmed having 5-6 millions higher value than me haha. It's all about having distance to them scores.

gorglbnlgnag wrote:

As I've mentioned earlier, and I have tested a lot. I don't have a clue what's going on in this game anymore, and I've finally had enough.

Unless my team starts playing like a real team with the current skills, I will sell out in the season break and never come back. Imagine not logging in every day seeing bloody unfair results. It will be such a bright day, and the time is here.

Only a big change the next month will prevent me from selling out in season break/start of next season.

Goodbye.

I know what you feel. I lost 2 league titles when I won the top table and then lost to teams that were x3 worse. You have to take a lesson from that and stop worrying about this results. I don't care any more. I play for a very long time and nothing more will surprise me. So take it lightly. I sold me entire team, just playing for fun now since many seasons, with my own players, and now I got many games when my rivals were simmed having 5-6 millions higher value than me haha. It's all about having distance to them scores.

Re: Too many dump results

By albeagle - 22-03-2021 14:08

I agree, but it happens to everyone and in the end it balances out. You end up being where you should be in the standings, and you can't win every trophy either. It can be frustrating, sometimes you have one team having 25 shots and the other team only 5 and you still lose, but I have had lucky results as well so like I said it evens out.I agree, but it happens to everyone and in the end it balances out. You end up being where you should be in the standings, and you can't win every trophy either. It can be frustrating, sometimes you have one team having 25 shots and the other team only 5 and you still lose, but I have had lucky results as well so like I said it evens out.

Re: Too many dump results

By gorglbnlgnag - 22-03-2021 17:44

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What works and what doesn't work, especially when it comes to tactics, it is so loose and watery it has become almost impossible to solve. Good tactics that make sense, can break down like a dry twig, and it happens even when you make minor minor changes. As some of you are saying, you can sell out and tactics suddenly works better. Or you can add 4-5 great youths to your u18-tactics, and they start breaking down even if you added 20 balls to the total. There is something wrong right here. I like a challenge, but this is not a challenge, it's nonsense. It is true that it "adds up" a lot of the times. But my point is: A good tactic [u]is[/u] a good tactic, and you shouldn't be sent out for actually doing a managers job. While the other team just did nothing, and had a horrible team. It's a joke. @lukaszsz182: Think I'm done man, but yes... it's always nice with some encouraging words. Play for fun, I will think about that for a while ;)What works and what doesn't work, especially when it comes to tactics, it is so loose and watery it has become almost impossible to solve. Good tactics that make sense, can break down like a dry twig, and it happens even when you make minor minor changes. As some of you are saying, you can sell out and tactics suddenly works better. Or you can add 4-5 great youths to your u18-tactics, and they start breaking down even if you added 20 balls to the total. There is something wrong right here. I like a challenge, but this is not a challenge, it's nonsense.

It is true that it "adds up" a lot of the times. But my point is: A good tactic is a good tactic, and you shouldn't be sent out for actually doing a managers job. While the other team just did nothing, and had a horrible team. It's a joke.

@lukaszsz182: Think I'm done man, but yes... it's always nice with some encouraging words. Play for fun, I will think about that for a while ;)

Re: Too many dump results

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 06-05-2021 22:38

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Come on. It's frighting them results. My teams value is: 7,67 mln, since few season just training, mainly young players only. Today my team won 2-1 in National against the lad who has more than 13.mln value, and drew against other one who has 12.30mln. Every day nearly some how they managing to defeat x3 better teams. Is this some kind of joke? I'm not even happy with them scores because when I had a decent squad I was getting simmed badly, sometimes not even simmed, sometimes the stats are even :D I just wonder, why is it happening, I undestand it happenes in football but how come my young ones which most of them have 4-5 play inteligence can manage to beat really good managers. That's why since 4-5 seasons I' just training my own players no interest of buying a team to get simmed like this. Don't want to complain only, I play this game since 2009 and will never live it, but just tell me WHY !?Come on. It's frighting them results.

My teams value is: 7,67 mln, since few season just training, mainly young players only.

Today my team won 2-1 in National against the lad who has more than 13.mln value, and drew against other one who has 12.30mln. Every day nearly some how they managing to defeat x3 better teams. Is this some kind of joke? I'm not even happy with them scores because when I had a decent squad I was getting simmed badly, sometimes not even simmed, sometimes the stats are even :D

I just wonder, why is it happening, I undestand it happenes in football but how come my young ones which most of them have 4-5 play inteligence can manage to beat really good managers. That's why since 4-5 seasons I' just training my own players no interest of buying a team to get simmed like this. Don't want to complain only, I play this game since 2009 and will never live it, but just tell me WHY !?

 

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