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Hello hello,

I just wanted to celebrate with you my first time in the top 100 after 12 years of playing.

🥂

Yohoooo
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[AUS]
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How have you won 14 titles in your countries top league and never cracked the top 100?

The whole ranking system is so far outdated it’s crazy but congratulations 🥳

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chucky06 wrote:
How have you won 14 titles in your countries top league and never cracked the top 100?

The whole ranking system is so far outdated it’s crazy but congratulations 🥳


Thanks,

I started playing in cups and leagues only 2 years ago i think. It helped alot.

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Fantastic my friend, congratulations!!

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gonzocabj7 wrote:
Fantastic my friend, congratulations!!


Thanks :D

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Congrats

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@ishmaldo

Thanks

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Congrats, the ranking is mad anyways. In hockey I'm 50 when my team is not even as good as 200-300 or worse :D

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Same here, I don't see my team that good.

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Ranking means absolutely nothing these days. The current #1 is currently playing in Belgium Div1 and WL Div 3.

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Where is WCE ? He used to be n°1 for a long time !

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charef wrote:
Where is WCE ? He used to be n°1 for a long time !


Check this thread:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12719550&forum_id=10&sport=soccer
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charef wrote:
Hello hello,

I just wanted to celebrate with you my first time in the top 100 after 12 years of playing.

🥂

Yohoooo


congrats bro,

i've never win top league in my country, but my best rank is 47. i don't know why.

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Thanks

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@bukankita

Thanks,
You won some private trophies also.

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Congrats on this achievement. I have a lot of evidence to back the fact that rankings are not related to success or winning ratio but how strong your tactic is or how well suited your tactic is to the calculations of the sim.

I tried it once by copying a tactic a new team was using during peak covid19 outbreak and this team was able to crack the top 100 went even as far as the top 50 I think. This team was under a month old if I remember correctly. After copying the tactic boom my rankings jumped until I peaked at around 700 ish I think. I could have gone higher but I wanted to do things my own way with different players. Rankings is tied to your tactics so pay attention to it when you make changes. IF your ranking drops by a ridiculous amount tweak your tactic, if it jumps by 1000 places you know you're on to something good.

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killerbeeez wrote:
Congrats on this achievement. I have a lot of evidence to back the fact that rankings are not related to success or winning ratio but how strong your tactic is or how well suited your tactic is to the calculations of the sim.

I tried it once by copying a tactic a new team was using during peak covid19 outbreak and this team was able to crack the top 100 went even as far as the top 50 I think. This team was under a month old if I remember correctly. After copying the tactic boom my rankings jumped until I peaked at around 700 ish I think. I could have gone higher but I wanted to do things my own way with different players. Rankings is tied to your tactics so pay attention to it when you make changes. IF your ranking drops by a ridiculous amount tweak your tactic, if it jumps by 1000 places you know you're on to something good.


True,
2 weeks ago i was 51. Now i'm 357 🤔

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≮Empire≯AT☆HeaVen™FC (754295)is an example. HE is ranked 55th. His team is 2 months old. Regardless that he is on a 17 game winning streak in his league this should ordinarily not happen because this team Liverpool FC (1407843) is also on an 18 game winning streak in the Egyptian league but he's not even in the top 500 at the moment. It's all about tactics.

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killerbeeez wrote:
≮Empire≯AT☆HeaVen™FC (754295)is an example. HE is ranked 55th. His team is 2 months old. Regardless that he is on a 17 game winning streak in his league this should ordinarily not happen because this team Liverpool FC (1407843) is also on an 18 game winning streak in the Egyptian league but he's not even in the top 500 at the moment. It's all about tactics.


But is probably because he won 3 official cups and got a 2nd place on another one... cups success have a lot of influence on the ranking and the welcome cups count as an official cup, despite the fact they're oriented to newbies (though I get the feeling real newbies never win them)

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Just in case.... what I mean about the welcome cups is that is usually returning managers who win them, a real newbie that never played before is probably going to make newbie mistakes on the market or won't really know much about tactics. Is just the way it is, someone that left the game for whatever reason and comes back after a while with a new account will have more knowleadge.

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But is probably because he won 3 official cups and got a 2nd place on another one... cups success have a lot of influence on the ranking and the welcome cups count as an official cup, despite the fact they're oriented to newbies (though I get the feeling real newbies never win them)


A real newbie would have to learn so quickly so many tricks in a few days, that he would be more than a genius. Unless he has a very experienced mentor.

Most Welcome Cups are very hard to win though. 900 teams. 5-10% of them are very serious. Winners are equivalent to France top d1 senior or mid size countries (ranked around 15-30).

Even experienced managers don't even notice the Stadium financial helps or the achievement chains. Fundamental fuel to start like a rocket. If you reach top 4 without a finished Stadium, you lose too much money to win next. (See another post in the forum about "achievements")

And you must be very active, wise and lucky on the TM to achieve that in a few days, earn some top 8 or 4 cup money, then hire, etc.

A strong Welcome winner can do top 4 in a senior National Cup in mid level countries.

So here the ranking is fair in terms of management and tactical capabilities. Although it is not an absolute scale, more relative to the official competitions you play.

BTW in my case I converted very quickly to U23 and U21. Doing #1 and #2 in National Cup. Won d2 with 1 or 2 old jokers when required.

Tactics easily reverse a 0-5 to a 5-0.

Many game streaks count in the ranking. You can cumulate bits of Uxx cups or league results too. Or win a newbie or senior Pool. (I did France d1s were behind) directly.

Chinese or argentinians who access a huge database in the TM have a huge advantage (less work permits to pay). On the other hand they start in lower divisions, so less income in league, more in Cups.

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I did not even remember, because it's very secondary, but got ranked #15 probably after the last Welcome and some other early trophies, and more senior players hired just for fun, test 75 ball players, and anticipate future Uxx evolving.

In real senior cups, I was certainly around 750-2000 in reality. I sold the seniors in a few days so it's hard to tell. Even if my tactics enhanced many crap cheap players. But some where very good. Like X899 wingers, 88X keeper etc
At best I could make a lucky draw 1-1 against top 4 Ligue1 (able to win international cups) Most often lose 3-1.

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There is also something huge and barely noticed that can make a HUGE difference.

You have many free tactical tests/scout games. (30 or 40?)

Finding 3 or 4 great tactics combined to your player skills have a tremendous impact. Most of the last 4 teams I beat in the Welcome would have won easily if I did not create ad hoc tactics and had played standard 4213 or 3214, etc instead. Results were quite inverted trashing victories.

This help is equivalent to maybe 60 tokens, it's the major help maybe.

This freshened knowledge experimental capital is next reused a lot.

All in all the game is well thought if one wants to restart from scratch after years out of MZ.

Or else be the mentor of good newcomers can help to reinforce a MZ nation.

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I know a multiple Welcome winner who was ranked 1 or 2 quickly. 2 gold Welcomes, 1 silver, 4 top 4.

But unlike me he did not devastate his finances the first day by paying an expensive TC for a France U21, a loyal U21.

This trashed my restart. I had to hire one more good player with far less money, more wages. So lost TM opportunities for only a few €, lost top 4 earnings early, etc. This killed my exponential growth.

But it was done consciously. Help France U21 was a priority.

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Also when your team performs well on the U18/U23/Senior cups you rank quite high, I'm usually ranked on the top 10 because my team is competitive on all categories.

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darkline wrote:
But is probably because he won 3 official cups and got a 2nd place on another one... cups success have a lot of influence on the ranking and the welcome cups count as an official cup, despite the fact they're oriented to newbies (though I get the feeling real newbies never win them)


I have other examples in the past where the team won zero cups but broke the top 100 rankings in under two months. Strangely they all fell out of the top 100 almost as quickly as they broke it.

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killerbeeez wrote:
I have other examples in the past where the team won zero cups but broke the top 100 rankings in under two months. Strangely they all fell out of the top 100 almost as quickly as they broke it.


Streaks cumulated in 6 leagues ?


If you restart in the lower divisions with a mix of good U21 loyals and good U23s you buy, plus maybe start a center full of U18 directly, that is rather easy to win everywhere.

But at the first senior promotion this may become much harder, And senior results weight more in the ranking. So Uxx results still add up but do not compensate this dive.

I infer that this might result exactly in what you noticed and described.

BTW Roncourt is nearly this kind of example and my ranking is much lower now.

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As far as I know, this is the formula to calculate the ranking

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The following items influence the sum of points for the ranking:

- Economy
- Friendly Matches
- Active User
- Division / League Match -

Economy Cup Match :

1 point for every $ 100k with a maximum of 50 points. Example:
-427.146 => -4 p
-98.511 => 0 p
86.724 => 0 p
143.526 => 1 p
1.532.715 => 15 p
4.999.999 => 49 p
13.543.764 => 50 p

Friendlies:

The last 4 friendlies count for the ranking if they were played in the last 14 days. For P / won = 10 points, another result 5 points

Active User:

If you log in at least 1 time a week you earn points for that. The last 8 weeks are counted. At least one login per week adds up to 40 points. So the maximum that can be added with this item is 320 points (= 8 weeks x 40)

Division / League Match:

There are points for the division (see the table below) in which you play and points for the results we obtain in the same. For the results the last 8 weeks count, the points range from 45 to 90:

Div. -> Points -> P / Earned
Div. TOP 600p -> 95p
div1 540p -> 90p
div2 480p -> 85p
div3 420p -> 80p
div4 360p -> 75p
div5 300p -> 70p
div6 240p -> 65p
div7 180p ->60p
div8 120p -> 55p
div9 60p -> 50p

Example, if you play in div1 and your team won 6 of the last 8 matches:
540 + 90 * 6 = 1080

Cup Matches:

All cup matches of the last 30 days (except today) they count for ranking points.

Group Matches = 30 points to win, another result 10 points
Play-off = 40 points to win, another result 0 points

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darkline wrote:
As far as I know, this is the formula to calculate the ranking

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The following items influence the sum of points for the ranking:

- Economy
- Friendly Matches
- Active User
- Division / League Match -

Economy Cup Match :

1 point for every $ 100k with a maximum of 50 points. Example:
-427.146 => -4 p
-98.511 => 0 p
86.724 => 0 p
143.526 => 1 p
1.532.715 => 15 p
4.999.999 => 49 p
13.543.764 => 50 p

Friendlies:

The last 4 friendlies count for the ranking if they were played in the last 14 days. For P / won = 10 points, another result 5 points

Active User:

If you log in at least 1 time a week you earn points for that. The last 8 weeks are counted. At least one login per week adds up to 40 points. So the maximum that can be added with this item is 320 points (= 8 weeks x 40)

Division / League Match:

There are points for the division (see the table below) in which you play and points for the results we obtain in the same. For the results the last 8 weeks count, the points range from 45 to 90:

Div. -> Points -> P / Earned
Div. TOP 600p -> 95p
div1 540p -> 90p
div2 480p -> 85p
div3 420p -> 80p
div4 360p -> 75p
div5 300p -> 70p
div6 240p -> 65p
div7 180p ->60p
div8 120p -> 55p
div9 60p -> 50p

Example, if you play in div1 and your team won 6 of the last 8 matches:
540 + 90 * 6 = 1080

Cup Matches:

All cup matches of the last 30 days (except today) they count for ranking points.

Group Matches = 30 points to win, another result 10 points
Play-off = 40 points to win, another result 0 points


Thanks for the transparency darkline. I can personally vouch for the active user points but in terms of performance of players. I played about 70% of my season with zero form but was logging in every day so I performed much better than other zero form teams in the league with similar stats to my team. I know they have zero form because I can see. So staying active can give you another edge to win more games I think not just improve your rankings.

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Thanks for the information.
 
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