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Thoughts on a youthteam.

By kapitan0o - 28-07-2020 18:02

I was wondering how to approach making my first youth team. Is it worth just bumping my youth academy to 15 players right away, or is it smarter to be a little patient, and increasing the size of it over a couple of seasons, so that the entire squad aren't fresh 16 y/olds. I was also wondering if I can count on that a youth team playing in my national youth league will pay for the youth academy costs? Thank you for reading, and thank you for any advice :)I was wondering how to approach making my first youth team.
Is it worth just bumping my youth academy to 15 players right away, or is it smarter to be a little patient, and increasing the size of it over a couple of seasons, so that the entire squad aren't fresh 16 y/olds.

I was also wondering if I can count on that a youth team playing in my national youth league will pay for the youth academy costs?

Thank you for reading, and thank you for any advice :)

 

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Re: Thoughts on a youthteam.

By tree_amigos - 28-07-2020 23:23

[MZUSA]
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I ran the numbers a few years back and I think you need to take part in more than just the National U18 league to really make it pay off, if you are only looking at the match income versus the youth set up expense. Where having a youth set up really pays off is if you can develop good players and either sell them on to another club once they graduate or if they are good enough to get into your senior squad (saving you the expense of purchasing players). Not sure if you are eligible for the custom youth set up, but that might be a good way to achieve a balanced group without too many graduating at the same time. I originally built mine youth set up over a a few seasons so I had balanced groups (8, 8, and 7) but with exchanges I've gotten unbalanced and have a large group of 17 yr olds and smaller numbers of 18 and 16 yr olds. I would recommend building to the full 23 as that way you can still field a full team in the U18 league while making sure as many of your youths get a full 5 week training camp as possible. Be sure to make use of the free training camps for youths to minimize your costs there as well.I ran the numbers a few years back and I think you need to take part in more than just the National U18 league to really make it pay off, if you are only looking at the match income versus the youth set up expense.

Where having a youth set up really pays off is if you can develop good players and either sell them on to another club once they graduate or if they are good enough to get into your senior squad (saving you the expense of purchasing players).

Not sure if you are eligible for the custom youth set up, but that might be a good way to achieve a balanced group without too many graduating at the same time. I originally built mine youth set up over a a few seasons so I had balanced groups (8, 8, and 7) but with exchanges I've gotten unbalanced and have a large group of 17 yr olds and smaller numbers of 18 and 16 yr olds.

I would recommend building to the full 23 as that way you can still field a full team in the U18 league while making sure as many of your youths get a full 5 week training camp as possible. Be sure to make use of the free training camps for youths to minimize your costs there as well.

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By kapitan0o - 29-07-2020 08:54

Ok thanks a lot! I think I'll do what you did, and have balanced groups, since I'm just getting back, the idea of getting the full 23 right away sounds pretty intimidating. Cheers!Ok thanks a lot! I think I'll do what you did, and have balanced groups, since I'm just getting back, the idea of getting the full 23 right away sounds pretty intimidating.

Cheers!

Re: Thoughts on a youthteam.

By numchacar - 29-07-2020 16:50

No you don't need to be in any cups at all to make profit. I know I been doing youth only since 2011. i'd go inactive every few seasons to find my team made a few million bucks a season in profit from just normal league games and sponsorship.

tree_amigos wrote:

I ran the numbers a few years back and I think you need to take part in more than just the National U18 league to really make it pay off, if you are only looking at the match income versus the youth set up expense.

Where having a youth set up really pays off is if you can develop good players and either sell them on to another club once they graduate or if they are good enough to get into your senior squad (saving you the expense of purchasing players).

Not sure if you are eligible for the custom youth set up, but that might be a good way to achieve a balanced group without too many graduating at the same time. I originally built mine youth set up over a a few seasons so I had balanced groups (8, 8, and 7) but with exchanges I've gotten unbalanced and have a large group of 17 yr olds and smaller numbers of 18 and 16 yr olds.

I would recommend building to the full 23 as that way you can still field a full team in the U18 league while making sure as many of your youths get a full 5 week training camp as possible. Be sure to make use of the free training camps for youths to minimize your costs there as well.

No you don't need to be in any cups at all to make profit. I know I been doing youth only since 2011. i'd go inactive every few seasons to find my team made a few million bucks a season in profit from just normal league games and sponsorship.

Re: Thoughts on a youthteam.

By sbrownridge - 29-07-2020 17:58

[Canada]

I'm currently returning from a similar break, and you're right about having profits from the league matches alone. However I think this is on the basis of having just one main squad. If you had a senior squad, u23 squad, u21 squad, and u18 squad you would be running at a loss if just playing the senior league matches. I think the youth leagues and u18 tournaments can get you at/near breakeven, however it also only takes 1 top youth to break even. Its $777,400 CAD for the youth program (not sure how that converts for everyone) but if you have one solid youth per season the program can likely break even from selling off youths when they graduate.

numchacar wrote:

No you don't need to be in any cups at all to make profit. I know I been doing youth only since 2011. i'd go inactive every few seasons to find my team made a few million bucks a season in profit from just normal league games and sponsorship.

I'm currently returning from a similar break, and you're right about having profits from the league matches alone. However I think this is on the basis of having just one main squad. If you had a senior squad, u23 squad, u21 squad, and u18 squad you would be running at a loss if just playing the senior league matches.

I think the youth leagues and u18 tournaments can get you at/near breakeven, however it also only takes 1 top youth to break even. Its $777,400 CAD for the youth program (not sure how that converts for everyone) but if you have one solid youth per season the program can likely break even from selling off youths when they graduate.

Re: Thoughts on a youthteam.

By tree_amigos - 30-07-2020 03:57

[MZUSA]
President

My numbers when I ran the youth program estimate was based upon having both a senior and a youth squad. Just running a youth squad in the regular league can definitely be a profitable way to go even without competing in the U18 league.My numbers when I ran the youth program estimate was based upon having both a senior and a youth squad. Just running a youth squad in the regular league can definitely be a profitable way to go even without competing in the U18 league.

Re: Thoughts on a youthteam.

By jere92 - 02-08-2020 09:39

Heres what I would do if I was you. Take 23 youths right away. Camp as many of them as possible until the end of season. get 1 Goalkeeper, 8 Defenders, 6 Strikers = 15 players out of them to next season and start swapping rest of them = 8 players for new 16 yo next season. New 8 players would be 1 Goalkeeper, 4 Defenders, 3 Strikers. You should have next season 15 17yo players and 8 16yo players. At the end of next season make a new cut out of 17yo players. Cut out 4/5 Defenders and 3 Strikers. Replace them with 1 Goalkeeper 3/4 Defenders and 3 Strikers. Now you have your clean youth setup ready that can also compete balanced every season. 18yo = 1 Goalkeeper, 4 Defenders, 3 Strikers 17yo = 1 Goalkeeper, 4 Defenders, 3 Strikers 16yo = 1 Goalkeeper, 3 Defenders, 3 Strikers Anothers variant for this setup is to have 4 Defenders each age group and swap 1 Striker to fill that spot 16yo = 1 Goalkeeper, 4 Defenders, 2 Strikers I have run this now for 12 seasons after my comeback to managerzone and it has proven itself to be good and I can compete in cups and youthleague at div.1 and highest I got div.2 in world leagues. Now competing in Div.3 Your competition is bit tougher as you play in Sweden. About the expenses running youth academy is one of the cheapest things you do in this game and not having it maxed out at all times is a waste of potential. For example. My youth academy costs me 478 000€ in "salaries" and ~100 000€ in camps per season. ( I havent payed anything in many seasons for camps but they are still in the calculation as i dont know if you are able to do youth tour missions ). My U23 teams upkeep costs me 2 009 228€ in salaries and ~1 500 000€ in camps per season. In 11 season I have made ~8 300 000€ in cups incomes and ~5 468 000€ in player sales. I havent kept count for youth leagues at all but they pay good income aswell. And also cup incomes are counted for prize money they provide and ticket sales for last 3 games of the cup. I have also trained 3 national team players that play for my seniors currently and I have 2 other players that plays for my seniors. Last season my team made 1 269 198€ profit in money counting out player sales and purchases. My weekly expenses were ~450 000€. In the end thought I would say you shouldnt be worried about minimal expenses youth academy brings as they need to cover ~500 000€ per season to be self productive. If you are planning to play in U23 and U21 leagues / competitions your biggest concern should be it providing them top potential and how to manage that U23/senior team cost effective. If you are going to compete in youth leagues I would recommend letting all of your current seniors go to save money and focusing at first into those leagues while training good players for seniors over time. We also get 1 200 000€ per season for free in mid/break tour bonuses and that already covers the full expenses if you wanna look it that way.Heres what I would do if I was you.

Take 23 youths right away.

Camp as many of them as possible until the end of season.

get 1 Goalkeeper, 8 Defenders, 6 Strikers = 15 players out of them to next season and start swapping rest of them = 8 players for new 16 yo next season.

New 8 players would be 1 Goalkeeper, 4 Defenders, 3 Strikers.

You should have next season 15 17yo players and 8 16yo players.

At the end of next season make a new cut out of 17yo players. Cut out 4/5 Defenders and 3 Strikers.

Replace them with 1 Goalkeeper 3/4 Defenders and 3 Strikers.

Now you have your clean youth setup ready that can also compete balanced every season.

18yo = 1 Goalkeeper, 4 Defenders, 3 Strikers
17yo = 1 Goalkeeper, 4 Defenders, 3 Strikers
16yo = 1 Goalkeeper, 3 Defenders, 3 Strikers

Anothers variant for this setup is to have 4 Defenders each age group and swap 1 Striker to fill that spot

16yo = 1 Goalkeeper, 4 Defenders, 2 Strikers

I have run this now for 12 seasons after my comeback to managerzone and it has proven itself to be good and I can compete in cups and youthleague at div.1 and highest I got div.2 in world leagues. Now competing in Div.3

Your competition is bit tougher as you play in Sweden.

About the expenses running youth academy is one of the cheapest things you do in this game and not having it maxed out at all times is a waste of potential.

For example.

My youth academy costs me 478 000€ in "salaries" and ~100 000€ in camps per season. ( I havent payed anything in many seasons for camps but they are still in the calculation as i dont know if you are able to do youth tour missions ).

My U23 teams upkeep costs me 2 009 228€ in salaries and ~1 500 000€ in camps per season.

In 11 season I have made ~8 300 000€ in cups incomes and ~5 468 000€ in player sales. I havent kept count for youth leagues at all but they pay good income aswell. And also cup incomes are counted for prize money they provide and ticket sales for last 3 games of the cup.

I have also trained 3 national team players that play for my seniors currently and I have 2 other players that plays for my seniors.

Last season my team made 1 269 198€ profit in money counting out player sales and purchases. My weekly expenses were ~450 000€.

In the end thought I would say you shouldnt be worried about minimal expenses youth academy brings as they need to cover ~500 000€ per season to be self productive. If you are planning to play in U23 and U21 leagues / competitions your biggest concern should be it providing them top potential and how to manage that U23/senior team cost effective. If you are going to compete in youth leagues I would recommend letting all of your current seniors go to save money and focusing at first into those leagues while training good players for seniors over time. We also get 1 200 000€ per season for free in mid/break tour bonuses and that already covers the full expenses if you wanna look it that way.

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By kapitan0o - 02-08-2020 09:51

Thank you jere. I've increased it to the full 23 now, and then at the start of the next season I'll swap 8 of them that I'm not happy with, and then the season after that I will replace 7 from the first batch of youths, and then I will be set, if I've understood everything correctly :)Thank you jere.

I've increased it to the full 23 now, and then at the start of the next season I'll swap 8 of them that I'm not happy with, and then the season after that I will replace 7 from the first batch of youths, and then I will be set, if I've understood everything correctly :)

Re: Thoughts on a youthteam.

By jere92 - 02-08-2020 09:58

Yeah try to search for early maxings and keep track about the potentials of the players and cut out the ones you dont see having a future in market/in your plans. This setup is also keeping in mind the competition for U18. If you are not going for competitions next season then you might not need to go so strict with the roles as they are not competing. But I would higly recommend youth leagues as they are good competition to follow in early game ( Keeps your intrest to the game alive ) and gives you extra cash. Tho they cost some tokens.Yeah try to search for early maxings and keep track about the potentials of the players and cut out the ones you dont see having a future in market/in your plans. This setup is also keeping in mind the competition for U18. If you are not going for competitions next season then you might not need to go so strict with the roles as they are not competing. But I would higly recommend youth leagues as they are good competition to follow in early game ( Keeps your intrest to the game alive ) and gives you extra cash. Tho they cost some tokens.

Re: Thoughts on a youthteam.

By numchacar - 01-09-2020 06:15

I returned to find 69 players and still was making profit so thats 3 crops of youth batches 18 21 and 24 years old all

sbrownridge wrote:

I'm currently returning from a similar break, and you're right about having profits from the league matches alone. However I think this is on the basis of having just one main squad. If you had a senior squad, u23 squad, u21 squad, and u18 squad you would be running at a loss if just playing the senior league matches.

I think the youth leagues and u18 tournaments can get you at/near breakeven, however it also only takes 1 top youth to break even. Its $777,400 CAD for the youth program (not sure how that converts for everyone) but if you have one solid youth per season the program can likely break even from selling off youths when they graduate.

I returned to find 69 players and still was making profit so thats 3 crops of youth batches 18 21 and 24 years old all

Re: Thoughts on a youthteam.

By chucky06 - 01-09-2020 08:09

[AUSNZ]
President

There’s absolutely no reason for youth to not be profitable. If you are regularly exchanging youth who max early in crucial skills and identify future superstars through the scout reports, youth can only be a win win systemThere’s absolutely no reason for youth to not be profitable. If you are regularly exchanging youth who max early in crucial skills and identify future superstars through the scout reports, youth can only be a win win system

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