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New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 07-07-2020 19:49

[FLUSA]
President

Is this a new bug or an old bug I didn't realize existed? Check this game https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1153828397&tid=139824 I get a red card at minute 83, I have my team setup so if I get a red card, an alternative tactic comes into play and the defense on my alternative tactic looks like this: [img]https://i.paste.pics/9I0XC.png[/img] So why did my player #13, decided that he'll be the hero of the game and play striker instead of defense? [img]https://i.paste.pics/9I0XS.png[/img] He left a gap on the left side of my defense of five since he abandoned his position, to his defense he did ended up scoring a goal regardless of the fact that he's no striker.... Now is this a new bug or just a bug I have not encountered before? Anyone had something like this happen before?Is this a new bug or an old bug I didn't realize existed? Check this game

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1153828397&tid=139824

I get a red card at minute 83, I have my team setup so if I get a red card, an alternative tactic comes into play and the defense on my alternative tactic looks like this:



So why did my player #13, decided that he'll be the hero of the game and play striker instead of defense?



He left a gap on the left side of my defense of five since he abandoned his position, to his defense he did ended up scoring a goal regardless of the fact that he's no striker....

Now is this a new bug or just a bug I have not encountered before? Anyone had something like this happen before?

 

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Re: New bug or old bug?

By lam - 07-07-2020 20:11

[Canada]

I'm assuming it ignored your tactic because the sim lets you play with 3, 4 or 5 defense but only allows minimum 2 forwards... so it had to fill in the forward spot?I'm assuming it ignored your tactic because the sim lets you play with 3, 4 or 5 defense but only allows minimum 2 forwards... so it had to fill in the forward spot?

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 07-07-2020 20:23

[FLUSA]
President

The SIM does allow one striker, normally the problem is that if you don't pay attention with the player number assigments, the wrong striker goes to defense and you end up with no strikers or sometimes a winger and no one to cross the ball to....The SIM does allow one striker, normally the problem is that if you don't pay attention with the player number assigments, the wrong striker goes to defense and you end up with no strikers or sometimes a winger and no one to cross the ball to....

Re: New bug or old bug?

By evosa - 07-07-2020 20:54

[LEGEND]

Interesting..i would assume it is a bug. I may be wrong but this what seemed to happen: nr 13 is your lowest numbered striker on field. so when your player was sent off than it initiated alt. tactic and then he instaed went to a position where sent off player played(which is not the way it is supposed to work)Interesting..i would assume it is a bug. I may be wrong but this what seemed to happen: nr 13 is your lowest numbered striker on field. so when your player was sent off than it initiated alt. tactic and then he instaed went to a position where sent off player played(which is not the way it is supposed to work)

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 07-07-2020 21:37

[FLUSA]
President

But if the SIM has not been touched in years, how come a new bug comes out of thin air? I never heard of something like this happen to anyone before, I'm really curious to see if this is a one off thing or is a new reocurrent bug, I guess I'll have to experiment a bit to see but I'll be interested to know if anyone experiences a bug like this.But if the SIM has not been touched in years, how come a new bug comes out of thin air? I never heard of something like this happen to anyone before, I'm really curious to see if this is a one off thing or is a new reocurrent bug, I guess I'll have to experiment a bit to see but I'll be interested to know if anyone experiences a bug like this.

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 07-07-2020 21:40

[FLUSA]
President

But you might be onto something, maybe we don't see this bug very often because people don't send their winger to defense on their alt-tactic...But you might be onto something, maybe we don't see this bug very often because people don't send their winger to defense on their alt-tactic...

Re: New bug or old bug?

By smaakeloos - 07-07-2020 22:38

What I really don't get and puzzles me is why you should call this a bug. This is how it always works. Your lowest numbered striker covers for the sent off player, also in the alternative tactic. You always know beforehand his position will be abandonded. So what's new?What I really don't get and puzzles me is why you should call this a bug. This is how it always works. Your lowest numbered striker covers for the sent off player, also in the alternative tactic. You always know beforehand his position will be abandonded. So what's new?

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 07-07-2020 22:48

[FLUSA]
President

Exactly... that's how it's supposed to work, that's the point. Why am I surprised that when a defender got a red card, another defender decided he should play striker?

smaakeloos wrote:

What I really don't get and puzzles me is why you should call this a bug. This is how it always works. Your lowest numbered striker covers for the sent off player, also in the alternative tactic. You always know beforehand his position will be abandonded. So what's new?

Exactly... that's how it's supposed to work, that's the point. Why am I surprised that when a defender got a red card, another defender decided he should play striker?

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 07-07-2020 22:54

[FLUSA]
President

Just to be clear, my centerback is the player that got a red card, on the alt-tactic my winger was supposed to play left back... instead, my striker (number 19) went back to defense and my winger, who supposedly should be playing left back, decided that he would be a striker now... Come to think of ... why is it that my striker #19 decided to play defense?Just to be clear, my centerback is the player that got a red card, on the alt-tactic my winger was supposed to play left back... instead, my striker (number 19) went back to defense and my winger, who supposedly should be playing left back, decided that he would be a striker now...

Come to think of ... why is it that my striker #19 decided to play defense?

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Re: New bug or old bug?

By smaakeloos - 07-07-2020 23:10

Maybe because his manager screwed up? In your first post you showed you had your starting centre forward in defense in the alternative tactic.

darkline wrote:

Come to think of ... why is it that my striker #19 decided to play defense?

Maybe because his manager screwed up? In your first post you showed you had your starting centre forward in defense in the alternative tactic.

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 07-07-2020 23:18

[FLUSA]
President

Right, #15 is the starter and I replaced him with #19, still there's no reason for my #13 to play striker when my centeback #7 gets a red card.... for the record, it's already a messed up alt-tactic as I was trying tactics on friendly leagues and accidentally reset my alt-2, so I ended up with a 5 AP winger throwing perfect airballs to my winger with weak shooting and no heading and even scoring a goal.

smaakeloos wrote:

Maybe because his manager screwed up? In your first post you showed you had your starting centre forward in defense in the alternative tactic.

Right, #15 is the starter and I replaced him with #19, still there's no reason for my #13 to play striker when my centeback #7 gets a red card.... for the record, it's already a messed up alt-tactic as I was trying tactics on friendly leagues and accidentally reset my alt-2, so I ended up with a 5 AP winger throwing perfect airballs to my winger with weak shooting and no heading and even scoring a goal.

Re: New bug or old bug?

By smaakeloos - 07-07-2020 23:24

Well if his manager was able to put his striker in defense by mistake, my guess would be that that same manager will also be able to put a defender as a striker by mistake...

darkline wrote:

Right, #15 is the starter and I replaced him with #19, still there's no reason for my #13 to play striker when my centeback #7 gets a red card.... for the record, it's already a messed up alt-tactic as I was trying tactics on friendly leagues and accidentally reset my alt-2, so I ended up with a 5 AP winger throwing perfect airballs to my winger with weak shooting and no heading and even scoring a goal.

Well if his manager was able to put his striker in defense by mistake, my guess would be that that same manager will also be able to put a defender as a striker by mistake...

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 07-07-2020 23:43

[FLUSA]
President

Yeah right, well... thank you for your valuable opinion but if you check the image, you'll see that's not it... posting a clear image just in case the 1st one is confusing. This is the bottom bit of my alt-tactic. [img]https://i.paste.pics/9I2ID.png[/img] Looking forward to your explanation of why this is not a bug and why is normal for a defender to play striker when your centerback gets a red card.

smaakeloos wrote:

Well if his manager was able to put his striker in defense by mistake, my guess would be that that same manager will also be able to put a defender as a striker by mistake...

Yeah right, well... thank you for your valuable opinion but if you check the image, you'll see that's not it... posting a clear image just in case the 1st one is confusing.

This is the bottom bit of my alt-tactic.



Looking forward to your explanation of why this is not a bug and why is normal for a defender to play striker when your centerback gets a red card.

Re: New bug or old bug?

By smaakeloos - 07-07-2020 23:51

C'mon. My final try and then I give up: still no #7 in the image. Meaning your sent off defender was ordered by his manager to play somewhere upfront. The only interesting part is why you don't show your entire alternative tactic to begin with.

darkline wrote:

Yeah right, well... thank you for your valuable opinion but if you check the image, you'll see that's not it... posting a clear image just in case the 1st one is confusing.

This is the bottom bit of my alt-tactic.



Looking forward to your explanation of why this is not a bug and why is normal for a defender to play striker when your centerback gets a red card.

C'mon. My final try and then I give up: still no #7 in the image. Meaning your sent off defender was ordered by his manager to play somewhere upfront. The only interesting part is why you don't show your entire alternative tactic to begin with.

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 08-07-2020 00:11

[FLUSA]
President

I don't want to post my alt-tactic because I place my wingers & strikers a bit different than everyone else and since it's hidden, people can't clone it. Anyway, if #7 gets a red card, he's out of the field on his way to the changing rooms, I would love to order him back to the field and I'd let him play striker if he wants to because I rather have 11 players than 10, but I don't think the referee will allow that. In any case, my guess is that even if #7 is out of the picture because he got a red card, as if we where in Minority Report, the alt-tactic kicks in before the player gets the red card, doesn't make a lot of sense this would happen but I guess it is what happens, good to know as I DO have a striker with 10 shooting / 10 tackling that I swap around between defense/offense so I'll have to take all this into account now. Well, mystery solved, the precoognition thing still a bug but a minor one.I don't want to post my alt-tactic because I place my wingers & strikers a bit different than everyone else and since it's hidden, people can't clone it.

Anyway, if #7 gets a red card, he's out of the field on his way to the changing rooms, I would love to order him back to the field and I'd let him play striker if he wants to because I rather have 11 players than 10, but I don't think the referee will allow that.

In any case, my guess is that even if #7 is out of the picture because he got a red card, as if we where in Minority Report, the alt-tactic kicks in before the player gets the red card, doesn't make a lot of sense this would happen but I guess it is what happens, good to know as I DO have a striker with 10 shooting / 10 tackling that I swap around between defense/offense so I'll have to take all this into account now.

Well, mystery solved, the precoognition thing still a bug but a minor one.

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 08-07-2020 00:19

[FLUSA]
President

Still doesn't make sense, so my centerback #7 got a red card, alt-tactic sent him as a main striker, because he was sent off he was ordered to replace himself on defense and because he couldn't do that, then my winger #13 who was ordered to play Left Back decided to play Striker? It is a weird chain of events, a really weird an unusual bug... but still not the expected behaviour according to the game rules, there is no reason for #13 to play as a striker.... I understand why he went to play as a striker... just saying is not what should have happened.. What should have happened is, #7 gets red card, #7 walks out the field, #13 goes to cover for #7 on defense, alt-tactic kicks in, #13 moves from centerback to left back.Still doesn't make sense, so my centerback #7 got a red card, alt-tactic sent him as a main striker, because he was sent off he was ordered to replace himself on defense and because he couldn't do that, then my winger #13 who was ordered to play Left Back decided to play Striker?

It is a weird chain of events, a really weird an unusual bug... but still not the expected behaviour according to the game rules, there is no reason for #13 to play as a striker....

I understand why he went to play as a striker... just saying is not what should have happened..

What should have happened is, #7 gets red card, #7 walks out the field, #13 goes to cover for #7 on defense, alt-tactic kicks in, #13 moves from centerback to left back.

Edited: 08-07-2020 00:40
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Re: New bug or old bug?

By chucky06 - 08-07-2020 01:24

[AUSNZ]
President

There another post talking about this in suggestions forum where a similar thing happened. He set an alternative tactic and a different player filled the void, have a look at it tooThere another post talking about this in suggestions forum where a similar thing happened. He set an alternative tactic and a different player filled the void, have a look at it too

Re: New bug or old bug?

By chucky06 - 08-07-2020 01:26

[AUSNZ]
President

Actually the post is in simulator feedbackActually the post is in simulator feedback

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Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 08-07-2020 01:52

[FLUSA]
President

You mean this one: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12719026&forum_id=387&sport=soccer#45301873 This seems to be a different bug, he had setup a rule that if his winger #13 got injured he should be replaced by his player #12 (sub mid), but the SIM ignored his rule and instead replaced him with his player #18 (sub attacker) I checked if the substitute player was suspended but he wasn't, the manager also said this rule previously worked as intended, I mean, if you setup a rule and it doesn't work as intended is a bug, I just don't understand why this rule worked before for this manager and doesn't work now....You mean this one:

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12719026&forum_id=387&sport=soccer#45301873

This seems to be a different bug, he had setup a rule that if his winger #13 got injured he should be replaced by his player #12 (sub mid), but the SIM ignored his rule and instead replaced him with his player #18 (sub attacker)

I checked if the substitute player was suspended but he wasn't, the manager also said this rule previously worked as intended, I mean, if you setup a rule and it doesn't work as intended is a bug, I just don't understand why this rule worked before for this manager and doesn't work now....

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Re: New bug or old bug?

By dagriggstar (RA) - 08-07-2020 07:47

[AUSNZ]

The game registers the sent off player, #7, as a defender the entire time. It also registers the replacement player, #13, as a striker the entire time. If a defender gets sent off they are highest priority to be replaced. 1) The alt-tactic triggers (red card) 2) The players hypothetically line up in the new formation (Putting #13 at left back, #7 as hypothetical central striker) 3) The game still thinks #13 is a striker and #7 is a defender. This is because of where they started the game. These designations do not update to reflect the new alt tactic. THIS IS THE BUG. 4) As a "defender" #7 has been sent off, #13, thinking he is a striker, goes to take #7s spot in "defence". This results in having no left back and a central striker.The game registers the sent off player, #7, as a defender the entire time. It also registers the replacement player, #13, as a striker the entire time. If a defender gets sent off they are highest priority to be replaced.

1) The alt-tactic triggers (red card)
2) The players hypothetically line up in the new formation (Putting #13 at left back, #7 as hypothetical central striker)
3) The game still thinks #13 is a striker and #7 is a defender. This is because of where they started the game. These designations do not update to reflect the new alt tactic. THIS IS THE BUG.
4) As a "defender" #7 has been sent off, #13, thinking he is a striker, goes to take #7s spot in "defence". This results in having no left back and a central striker.

Re: New bug or old bug?

By darkline - 08-07-2020 19:10

[FLUSA]
President

@dagri That seems to be correct, that's most likely how this bug works. This one isn't a bug after all, just a tactic rule incorrectly setup, already left a reply on the user's thread.@dagri

That seems to be correct, that's most likely how this bug works.

chucky06 wrote:

There another post talking about this in suggestions forum where a similar thing happened. He set an alternative tactic and a different player filled the void, have a look at it too

This one isn't a bug after all, just a tactic rule incorrectly setup, already left a reply on the user's thread.

 

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