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MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By masterinho1986 - 25-05-2020 23:10

[POLSKA]

[b]Dear CREW,[/b] Gathering together from countries around the world, we would like to unite in one reason and ask you to upgrade hockey SIM. During last years we have been improving our teams, optimizing strategy and tactics to fit into sim but even sharing experience and knowledge we observe growing unbalance and irrational results. The game become very lottery and it is hard to continue develop of players and teams without stabilization of sim engine itself. The most critical points are: - The advantage when playing away - Return from shorthanded game to 5 on 5 play - Unrealistic one on one play - Short cross-passing (across ice) by defenders - Scout games without any correlation into "normal" games - Balance of players skills [b]As society we are open for discussion and any support you would need from our side to make next step for ManagerZone Hockey SIM … it is about time[/b] We will ask all manager to sign below voluntary to show how many of us care about hockey and would like to continue compete between each other for next years … [b]___________________________________________________________________________ [/b] edit: raffe74 [color=red][b]The crew will see us all together![/b][/color] [b]if you want to change your team's logo - download and replace[/b] [IMG]https://images92.fotosik.pl/373/498c28316b34d03bmed.png[/IMG] https://www.fotosik.pl/zdjecie/d7f127434d7070de [IMG]https://images92.fotosik.pl/373/e62e7cb8956e7b04med.png[/IMG] [b][color=green]join the federation - let's show our strength[/color][/b] https://www.managerzone.com/?p=federations&tab=tour#fid=329Dear CREW,

Gathering together from countries around the world, we would like to unite in one reason and ask you to upgrade hockey SIM. During last years we have been improving our teams, optimizing strategy and tactics to fit into sim but even sharing experience and knowledge we observe growing unbalance and irrational results. The game become very lottery and it is hard to continue develop of players and teams without stabilization of sim engine itself.

The most critical points are:
- The advantage when playing away
- Return from shorthanded game to 5 on 5 play
- Unrealistic one on one play
- Short cross-passing (across ice) by defenders
- Scout games without any correlation into "normal" games
- Balance of players skills

As society we are open for discussion and any support you would need from our side to make next step for ManagerZone Hockey SIM … it is about time

We will ask all manager to sign below voluntary to show how many of us care about hockey and would like to continue compete between each other for next years …

___________________________________________________________________________

edit: raffe74
The crew will see us all together!
if you want to change your team's logo - download and replace


https://www.fotosik.pl/zdjecie/d7f127434d7070de


join the federation - let's show our strength
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=federations&tab=tour#fid=329

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Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By e_life - 13-11-2022 13:45

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[img]https://i.imgur.com/fF9C8mJ.jpg[/img] [hpl=32782106]

Paul Hurmuzescu

Age: 24

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By e_life - 13-11-2022 13:46

[FF.MZ]

actually the away team had only 2 shots

e_life wrote:

Paul Hurmuzescu

Age: 24

actually the away team had only 2 shots

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By sabiutza - 13-11-2022 14:23

actually, SIM doesn't give a shit 🤢

e_life wrote:

actually the away team had only 2 shots

actually, SIM doesn't give a shit 🤢

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By guill3 - 10-12-2022 15:48

omg!!

e_life wrote:

Paul Hurmuzescu

Age: 24

omg!!

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By johnniewalker (RA) - 14-02-2023 22:28

[LaInt]

no sera mucho ya? [img]https://i.ibb.co/Hp1j7jt/MZ-Resultado.png[/img]no sera mucho ya?

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By genshiken - 16-02-2023 16:05

[FAI]

At this point I have to believe my account is flagged to get robbed under certain conditions. Four times have I faced the #2 team in a world league as the #1 and this is what happens. 1-3 on 23-10 shooting. 1-2 on 18-11 shooting. 2-3 on 25-12 shooting. 1-5 on 20-14 shooting. It's almost impossible to win something like this.At this point I have to believe my account is flagged to get robbed under certain conditions.
Four times have I faced the #2 team in a world league as the #1 and this is what happens.

1-3 on 23-10 shooting.
1-2 on 18-11 shooting.
2-3 on 25-12 shooting.
1-5 on 20-14 shooting.

It's almost impossible to win something like this.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By sabiutza - 08-03-2023 15:31

I stopped posting matches here a long time ago. But this one is amazing: [img]https://i.imgur.com/wslQ713.jpg[/img] He used 15+1 playersI stopped posting matches here a long time ago.

But this one is amazing:



He used 15+1 players

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By genshiken - 10-03-2023 18:42

[FAI]

Fifth time in a row now. 3-3 on 27-7. At some point it stops being a coincidence.

genshiken wrote:

At this point I have to believe my account is flagged to get robbed under certain conditions.
Four times have I faced the #2 team in a world league as the #1 and this is what happens.

Fifth time in a row now.
3-3 on 27-7.

At some point it stops being a coincidence.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By johnniewalker (RA) - 05-06-2023 00:09

[LaInt]

simulator needs an urgente review, many good customers are quitting the game 👎simulator needs an urgente review, many good customers are quitting the game 👎

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By johnniewalker (RA) - 05-06-2023 00:22

[LaInt]

[b]Champions final match[/b] 9 shoots and 5 goals against?? 🤔 my goalkeeper is the national keeper of Argentina, never seen anything like this ever in the 20 years of the game please let me know when this bug gets fix no point to continue from here on 👎 [img]https://i.ibb.co/nCbC3F1/Final-Champions-S78-b.png[/img]Champions final match 9 shoots and 5 goals against?? 🤔
my goalkeeper is the national keeper of Argentina, never seen anything like this ever in the 20 years of the game please let me know when this bug gets fix no point to continue from here on 👎

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By nikolazpsadmin - 06-06-2023 01:26

[ATG]
President

Hey there, I don't talk about myself at all, but allow me to feel a bit disappointed at my efforts being underestimated, even if I might be having a slightly worse squad than yours. Like what I told you in our private conversation, to my defense, you did not lose to any u23 inactive team (that would be very problematic indeed). You lost to a World Top 50 team (not bad I suppose), full of home-grown Internationally Capped players. The players that scored against your Internationally capped Argentinian keeper have Internationally been selected for Greece too, and have at least 9 pucks in shooting (let alone power). They are complete players in all skills and are definitely not noobs or anything similar - basically they are not worse than the players you currently sell in the transfer market, who played in our latest match. My keeper is World Class as well and for him it is a normal day in job to save so many shots. Like what happened with your keeper, sometimes he can have a bad day too. Our avg wages are similar and in such top level this difference is small (squad value is buggy and does not show the reality in many occasions, I do not take it seriously). We do not have that big difference, although you seem to have slightly better players in general. In our latest encounters, I had even managed to beat you a few times. My 4th line was the secret that helped me win, I obviously was luckier than you in this match, but my 4th line helped as well. My argument is that this situation can happen (my team beating yours and being effective), given all above points. Your players are not unbeatable, mi hermano. If value numbers played the game, then we should have awarded all cups to the highest valued squads by default, beforehand... but other factors play their roles too. I will repeat what I told you in our messages: Stay and fight. Don't give up. Check what was wrong apart from what you think about the SIM... Maybe your match tactic was flawed? Are your players good shooters so that they are effective? What about Stamina level and pressing? Maybe it is something you are not paying attention to, but help you minimise the unwanted "SIMming". In Greece we say "The worth of the defeated one makes the winner worthy". I am proud that I managed to beat you. But please do not underestimate my team and my efforts. I hope you change your mind, re-evaluate your standards and fix all flaws in your squad that will allow you to reach the Top. This time it was me - I had less possibilities but it happened - like in Euro 2004 when Greece were crowned Champions in Football. Next time it will be you, I am sure. Buena Noche amigo. Nikos - 🏒🇬🇷🏒🇬🇷🏒🇬🇷

johnniewalker wrote:

Champions final match 9 shoots and 5 goals against?? 🤔
my goalkeeper is the national keeper of Argentina, never seen anything like this ever in the 20 years of the game please let me know when this bug gets fix no point to continue from here on 👎

Hey there,

I don't talk about myself at all, but allow me to feel a bit disappointed at my efforts being underestimated, even if I might be having a slightly worse squad than yours.

Like what I told you in our private conversation, to my defense, you did not lose to any u23 inactive team (that would be very problematic indeed).
You lost to a World Top 50 team (not bad I suppose), full of home-grown Internationally Capped players.

The players that scored against your Internationally capped Argentinian keeper have Internationally been selected for Greece too, and have at least 9 pucks in shooting (let alone power). They are complete players in all skills and are definitely not noobs or anything similar - basically they are not worse than the players you currently sell in the transfer market, who played in our latest match.
My keeper is World Class as well and for him it is a normal day in job to save so many shots. Like what happened with your keeper, sometimes he can have a bad day too.

Our avg wages are similar and in such top level this difference is small (squad value is buggy and does not show the reality in many occasions, I do not take it seriously). We do not have that big difference, although you seem to have slightly better players in general.
In our latest encounters, I had even managed to beat you a few times.

My 4th line was the secret that helped me win, I obviously was luckier than you in this match, but my 4th line helped as well.

My argument is that this situation can happen (my team beating yours and being effective), given all above points.
Your players are not unbeatable, mi hermano.

If value numbers played the game, then we should have awarded all cups to the highest valued squads by default, beforehand... but other factors play their roles too.

I will repeat what I told you in our messages: Stay and fight. Don't give up.
Check what was wrong apart from what you think about the SIM...
Maybe your match tactic was flawed? Are your players good shooters so that they are effective? What about Stamina level and pressing?
Maybe it is something you are not paying attention to, but help you minimise the unwanted "SIMming".

In Greece we say "The worth of the defeated one makes the winner worthy".
I am proud that I managed to beat you.
But please do not underestimate my team and my efforts.

I hope you change your mind, re-evaluate your standards and fix all flaws in your squad that will allow you to reach the Top.
This time it was me - I had less possibilities but it happened - like in Euro 2004 when Greece were crowned Champions in Football.
Next time it will be you, I am sure.

Buena Noche amigo.
Nikos - 🏒🇬🇷🏒🇬🇷🏒🇬🇷

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By charlesbee (NC) - 13-06-2023 14:35

[France]

The current 5212 domination in soccer (I do not like this situation, but can also play it efficiently, in top Ligue 1, or World League d1, or Top Series U23, etc.) is also further from true soccer or fair / interesting / balanced / challenging game. I like every tactic but I hate to see that one thieves nearly [b][u]systematically[/u][/b] all the others. [b]I saw recently a top U23 team in a big nation with a low cost investment composed of a 3M€ keeper, 2 good or correct wingers (like 2.5M$ or 1.5M$), and a header (bugged slow but efficient I suppose) else 100K$ bugged defenders, probably they only have tackling and long ball.[/b] Everyone with 5M$ can easily do more or less the same without much technicity. So this only works like a exploit of the passing and defending IA of the sim. You only need to overflow the defensive population. [b]What is the point in forming or paying for top U21 defenders or forwards then ? This has ALWAYS been the most specific and interesting part of the game. These 2 things (5212 and formation/market) contradict.[/b] In hockey I do not know the real sport well so I can not tell much even if I won so many cups. Even if the HK has not eveolved, even if in some combinations, senior level maybe more, soccer shows some better IA sometimes in a few situations, I think HK is at least as fair and balanced as a game. Losing 1/25 - 3/7 against a boring 5212 is also very common in soccer. Similar bus techniques as far as I remember also sometimes work with the HK sim, but at least the difference is that it does not pay in leagues. In soccer 5212 thefts win leagues or cups and in a systematic way. Tactical diversity has never been so low in the MZ soccer sim. The main reason I think is that none anticipated the effect of chips on top keepers. In the soccer sim it was hidden that keepers could be so overwhelming, because 70 balls players where rare. Now with the new context of #balls new imbalances arise.

floodish wrote:

good initiative, its time to see some changes soon in MZ hockey we are light years behind football in this side of the game!

The current 5212 domination in soccer (I do not like this situation, but can also play it efficiently, in top Ligue 1, or World League d1, or Top Series U23, etc.) is also further from true soccer or fair / interesting / balanced / challenging game.

I like every tactic but I hate to see that one thieves nearly systematically all the others.

I saw recently a top U23 team in a big nation with a low cost investment composed of a 3M€ keeper, 2 good or correct wingers (like 2.5M$ or 1.5M$), and a header (bugged slow but efficient I suppose) else 100K$ bugged defenders, probably they only have tackling and long ball. Everyone with 5M$ can easily do more or less the same without much technicity.

So this only works like a exploit of the passing and defending IA of the sim. You only need to overflow the defensive population. What is the point in forming or paying for top U21 defenders or forwards then ? This has ALWAYS been the most specific and interesting part of the game. These 2 things (5212 and formation/market) contradict.

In hockey I do not know the real sport well so I can not tell much even if I won so many cups.

Even if the HK has not eveolved, even if in some combinations, senior level maybe more, soccer shows some better IA sometimes in a few situations, I think HK is at least as fair and balanced as a game.

Losing 1/25 - 3/7 against a boring 5212 is also very common in soccer. Similar bus techniques as far as I remember also sometimes work with the HK sim, but at least the difference is that it does not pay in leagues. In soccer 5212 thefts win leagues or cups and in a systematic way.

Tactical diversity has never been so low in the MZ soccer sim. The main reason I think is that none anticipated the effect of chips on top keepers. In the soccer sim it was hidden that keepers could be so overwhelming, because 70 balls players where rare. Now with the new context of #balls new imbalances arise.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By charlesbee (NC) - 13-06-2023 15:05

[France]

Concerning keepers in hockey, boosted by the scouts x chips, I think I had one of the most incredible home grown U21 keeper of his gen. Look now: [hpl=32201658] He had nearly all his balls U20. Sometimes he is a pity, sometimes he clearly thieves games like my last game in Magnus (2/9-1/21). I think it is fair if he thieves sometimes. Every keeper does it sometimes. In fact I find the difference between correct keeper and absolute world class is not blattant at all in hockey ! I am even surprised and disappointed. Sometimes a crap U18 does the same ... In fact I expected him to thieve far more games. I have produced recently many top U21 keepers, 1 or 2 per season, very lucky, and in Magnus some of those I sold theft Ludres senior even though they had 10 pucks less at the same age compared to Fougeray. For France U21 he did not make a real difference (the 20 others on ice were correct but not actual top world class stars except 3 or 4 players) [b]But in soccer as I show ^^^[/b] one can spend 3M$ on a keeper + 1 winger + 5212 tactic and beat quasi systematically a 10*3M$ value on the pitch in vs a 4213 I think the crew must understand some interactions the chips had with the HK and soccer sims, highlighting some old biases that were used as band aids of the older sims. In soccer I tried maybe like 300 different tactics since 2004, I never remember one system dominating so unfairly as the current 5212 + keeper.Concerning keepers in hockey, boosted by the scouts x chips, I think I had one of the most incredible home grown U21 keeper of his gen.
Look now:

Yvan Fougeray

Age: 27

He had nearly all his balls U20.

Sometimes he is a pity, sometimes he clearly thieves games like my last game in Magnus (2/9-1/21). I think it is fair if he thieves sometimes. Every keeper does it sometimes. In fact I find the difference between correct keeper and absolute world class is not blattant at all in hockey ! I am even surprised and disappointed. Sometimes a crap U18 does the same ...

In fact I expected him to thieve far more games. I have produced recently many top U21 keepers, 1 or 2 per season, very lucky, and in Magnus some of those I sold theft Ludres senior even though they had 10 pucks less at the same age compared to Fougeray. For France U21 he did not make a real difference (the 20 others on ice were correct but not actual top world class stars except 3 or 4 players)

But in soccer as I show ^^^ one can spend 3M$ on a keeper + 1 winger + 5212 tactic and beat quasi systematically a 10*3M$ value on the pitch in vs a 4213

I think the crew must understand some interactions the chips had with the HK and soccer sims, highlighting some old biases that were used as band aids of the older sims. In soccer I tried maybe like 300 different tactics since 2004, I never remember one system dominating so unfairly as the current 5212 + keeper.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By johnniewalker (RA) - 13-06-2023 18:44

[LaInt]

Hi Nikos as I told you in private this has nothing to do with you, and you are a well deserved champion but please let me have my clear doubts our final match game was badly manipulated by the simulator. Just to prove my point here are two games, one previous and one after the final match game. Same teams, same players, same tactics, similar statistic in all 3 games, so again please dont miss undertand me this is not against you or your game skills this is way beyond possible outcome combination, 9 shots and 5 goals against a national world class keeper in a final match cant happen ever again. Thats way the sim needs to be reviewed in future updates. καληνυχτα [i]Juancho[/i] 🏒🇦🇷🏒🇦🇷🏒🇦🇷 [img]https://i.ibb.co/TwHk1qq/Resultados-vs-Coldplayers-Patras.png[/img]

nikolazpsadmin wrote:

Hey there,

I don't talk about myself at all, but allow me to feel a bit disappointed at my efforts being underestimated, even if I might be having a slightly worse squad than yours.

Like what I told you in our private conversation, to my defense, you did not lose to any u23 inactive team (that would be very problematic indeed).
You lost to a World Top 50 team (not bad I suppose), full of home-grown Internationally Capped players.

The players that scored against your Internationally capped Argentinian keeper have Internationally been selected for Greece too, and have at least 9 pucks in shooting (let alone power). They are complete players in all skills and are definitely not noobs or anything similar - basically they are not worse than the players you currently sell in the transfer market, who played in our latest match.
My keeper is World Class as well and for him it is a normal day in job to save so many shots. Like what happened with your keeper, sometimes he can have a bad day too.

Our avg wages are similar and in such top level this difference is small (squad value is buggy and does not show the reality in many occasions, I do not take it seriously). We do not have that big difference, although you seem to have slightly better players in general.
In our latest encounters, I had even managed to beat you a few times.

My 4th line was the secret that helped me win, I obviously was luckier than you in this match, but my 4th line helped as well.

My argument is that this situation can happen (my team beating yours and being effective), given all above points.
Your players are not unbeatable, mi hermano.

If value numbers played the game, then we should have awarded all cups to the highest valued squads by default, beforehand... but other factors play their roles too.

I will repeat what I told you in our messages: Stay and fight. Don't give up.
Check what was wrong apart from what you think about the SIM...
Maybe your match tactic was flawed? Are your players good shooters so that they are effective? What about Stamina level and pressing?
Maybe it is something you are not paying attention to, but help you minimise the unwanted "SIMming".

In Greece we say "The worth of the defeated one makes the winner worthy".
I am proud that I managed to beat you.
But please do not underestimate my team and my efforts.

I hope you change your mind, re-evaluate your standards and fix all flaws in your squad that will allow you to reach the Top.
This time it was me - I had less possibilities but it happened - like in Euro 2004 when Greece were crowned Champions in Football.
Next time it will be you, I am sure.

Buena Noche amigo.
Nikos - 🏒🇬🇷🏒🇬🇷🏒🇬🇷

Hi Nikos as I told you in private this has nothing to do with you, and you are a well deserved champion but please let me have my clear doubts our final match game was badly manipulated by the simulator. Just to prove my point here are two games, one previous and one after the final match game. Same teams, same players, same tactics, similar statistic in all 3 games, so again please dont miss undertand me this is not against you or your game skills this is way beyond possible outcome combination, 9 shots and 5 goals against a national world class keeper in a final match cant happen ever again. Thats way the sim needs to be reviewed in future updates.

καληνυχτα
Juancho 🏒🇦🇷🏒🇦🇷🏒🇦🇷

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By charlesbee (NC) - 14-06-2023 14:13

[France]

@Johnny, can you show your keeper ? PS My U23 keeper ^^^ was already senior international keeper #2 at 20 and #1 at 21 or 22. I am really disappointed, he made no real clear difference in TS U21 U23 or senior compared to the very good keepers (but 10 balls less) that I constantly produce. Sometimes in some games he has these catastrophic stats like your final. Sometimes he thieves games. Even in real (soccer) life even the best have bad days.@Johnny, can you show your keeper ? PS My U23 keeper ^^^ was already senior international keeper #2 at 20 and #1 at 21 or 22. I am really disappointed, he made no real clear difference in TS U21 U23 or senior compared to the very good keepers (but 10 balls less) that I constantly produce. Sometimes in some games he has these catastrophic stats like your final. Sometimes he thieves games. Even in real (soccer) life even the best have bad days.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By charlesbee (NC) - 14-06-2023 14:18

[France]

For this U23 I guess there might be an implicit xp in hockey like an age-16 formula. We shall see if he gets really better around 26 or 27 years old. In soccer I also have my home grown international keeper (#2). In Ligue 1 he now seems more constant around 27-28 years old. (I can probably win it) But even though, he had 2 or 3 catastrophic games in 20, I got really theft by his perf.For this U23 I guess there might be an implicit xp in hockey like an age-16 formula. We shall see if he gets really better around 26 or 27 years old. In soccer I also have my home grown international keeper (#2). In Ligue 1 he now seems more constant around 27-28 years old. (I can probably win it) But even though, he had 2 or 3 catastrophic games in 20, I got really theft by his perf.

Ri: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By balordo - 04-07-2023 23:01

[EROS]

All young player who coming in the last time are pure s@it,after 17 year is time to finish with this joke game ,the last 3-4 years the game has become ridiculousAll young player who coming in the last time are pure s@it,after 17 year is time to finish with this joke game ,the last 3-4 years the game has become ridiculous

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By mihairo - 05-07-2023 08:10

[-FO-]

@balordo I don't understand your complaint. Are you saying that the youths coming from the Academy are not good? Maybe I miss read... [hpl=31915366] [hpl=31704445] [hpl=31502377] [hpl=32113414] [hpl=32115643] [hpl=32113419] [hpl=32385947] All these players came from my Academy. I can show you more, if you wish. Maybe you're not using the Youth Exchange setting properly. Best regards, Enjoy!@balordo I don't understand your complaint. Are you saying that the youths coming from the Academy are not good? Maybe I miss read...

Iacob Pogea

Age: 28

Emil Curcă

Age: 29

Marius Păsărin

Age: 30

FormFo					(9)
Play IntelligencePI					(7)
PowerPw					(9)
SkatingSk					(8)
PassingPa					(8)
QuicknessQu					(6)
ShootingSh					(8)
KeepingKe					(4)
Puck ControlPC					(8)
CheckingCh					(9)
StaminaSt					(8)
Total Skill Pucks					75

Nistor Tincu

Age: 27

Vintilă Boeru

Age: 27

Stelian Ciolpan

Age: 27

Horaţiu Tăutu

Age: 26

All these players came from my Academy. I can show you more, if you wish.
Maybe you're not using the Youth Exchange setting properly.

Best regards,
Enjoy!

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By apolo72 - 05-07-2023 09:39

[FCP_DF]
President

Please let me try to help you to understand. As far as I can see just people who receive all the time bad players are prepared for that. Because, even with the exchange, and I admit there are people that don't know that, they don't came super, they are also bad. This became a kind of miracle for some people receive good players. Then, I check the market everyday, and sometimes I see some visible players, and I understand there are people that don't have reasons to complaint, of course. Anyway, this is not a case of complaining, for me I just want to know how is the criterium of attribution of youth players... Best regards,

mihairo wrote:

@balordo I don't understand your complaint. Are you saying that the youths coming from the Academy are not good? Maybe I miss read...

Iacob Pogea

Age: 28

Emil Curcă

Age: 29

Marius Păsărin

Age: 30

FormFo					(9)
Play IntelligencePI					(7)
PowerPw					(9)
SkatingSk					(8)
PassingPa					(8)
QuicknessQu					(6)
ShootingSh					(8)
KeepingKe					(4)
Puck ControlPC					(8)
CheckingCh					(9)
StaminaSt					(8)
Total Skill Pucks					75

Nistor Tincu

Age: 27

Vintilă Boeru

Age: 27

Stelian Ciolpan

Age: 27

Horaţiu Tăutu

Age: 26

All these players came from my Academy. I can show you more, if you wish.
Maybe you're not using the Youth Exchange setting properly.

Best regards,
Enjoy!

Please let me try to help you to understand.
As far as I can see just people who receive all the time bad players are prepared for that.
Because, even with the exchange, and I admit there are people that don't know that, they don't came super, they are also bad.
This became a kind of miracle for some people receive good players.
Then, I check the market everyday, and sometimes I see some visible players, and I understand there are people that don't have reasons to complaint, of course.
Anyway, this is not a case of complaining, for me I just want to know how is the criterium of attribution of youth players...

Best regards,

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By apolo72 - 05-07-2023 09:57

[FCP_DF]
President

Please let me tell you something, nowadays is the good player that choose the team, not the team choosing player. I talk with some people and they said to me that this thing is workind in a random system, and if is true, is not ok. My theory is this: the best players of each country should apears in the best academies of each country, there is a way to do that, let the responsables for the game improve this system like it is working now, badly. Best regards,Please let me tell you something, nowadays is the good player that choose the team, not the team choosing player.
I talk with some people and they said to me that this thing is workind in a random system, and if is true, is not ok.
My theory is this: the best players of each country should apears in the best academies of each country, there is a way to do that, let the responsables for the game improve this system like it is working now, badly.

Best regards,

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By mihairo - 05-07-2023 10:03

[-FO-]

[hpl=32579454] [hpl=32812395] [hpl=32726406] [hpl=32726229] [hpl=32726826] [hpl=32932422] [hpl=32989537] [hpl=32931052] [hpl=32932423] [hpl=32932490] [hpl=33136878] [hpl=33139683] [hpl=33231319] [hpl=33138191] [hpl=33348201] [hpl=33407797] [hpl=33407806] [hpl=33443810] [hpl=33435737] [hpl=33435736] [hpl=33435763] [hpl=33347049] [hpl=33348445] [hpl=33407804] [hpl=33347615] [hpl=33347998] [hpl=33347048] You seriously think this is luck? This is a game of management. So we have to manage our Academies. If you're complaining about your youths, just use the Youth Exchange option.

Flavius Curta

Age: 25

FormFo					(9)
Play IntelligencePI					(3)
PowerPw					(9)
SkatingSk					(6)
PassingPa					(4)
QuicknessQu					(7)
ShootingSh					(4)
KeepingKe					(2)
Puck ControlPC					(5)
CheckingCh					(8)
StaminaSt					(8)
Total Skill Pucks					56

Sergiu Pelin

Age: 24

Victor Tudorache

Age: 24

Ioan Răuțu

Age: 24

Marius Pietreanu

Age: 24

Iustin Brădean

Age: 23

Iosif Țâpu

Age: 23

Rareș Fulga

Age: 23

Vasile Zăraşcu

Age: 23

Luca Drăucean

Age: 23

Robert Morar

Age: 22

Gică Cândea

Age: 22

Grigore Șeimeanu

Age: 22

Olimpiu Leucuța

Age: 22

Gabriel Enescu

Age: 21

Petruț Creangă

Age: 21

Vintilă Gheorghe

Age: 21

Sever Avădanei

Age: 21

Octavian Tâbârnă

Age: 21

Sebastian Cociubei

Age: 21

Isac Eniceicu

Age: 21

Valeriu Chiose

Age: 21

Lucian Coidum

Age: 21

Edgar Vulturar

Age: 21

Pompiliu Giurchescu

Age: 21

Emanuel Coman

Age: 21

Grigore Mitulescu

Age: 21

You seriously think this is luck?
This is a game of management. So we have to manage our Academies.

If you're complaining about your youths, just use the Youth Exchange option.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By mihairo - 05-07-2023 10:21

[-FO-]

I kind of disagree with good players "choosing" bad managers. But I do agree that good players shouldn't go to div.3-4 managers. I even suggested this many times. It should be a challenge for small teams to try to reach higher divsions I.e. receive better youths. Another huge advantage would be the disappearance of farm teams. My suggestion was that 4HP 2LP players should always go to top league and div.1 teams. Div.2 players can receive 4HP 1LP and 3HP 2LP as their best youths. Div.3 can receive 3HP 2LP as their best youths. I don't see what the problem is. Many times, 3HP 2LP players become better than many 4HP 2LP players. So, div.4 teams should receive only 3HP 1LP pr 2HP 2LP as their best youths. I hope you all agree this would he very realistic. Div.4 means 5th division. What superstars did you ever see playing in the 5th division in RL? Also, the usage of the TM - they should be alowed to buy the same quality of players. Years ago, I saw a div.3 or 4 football team buy a 18 million Hector Sugar just to discard him. All my hockey players are shared. If you ask for it, I can share my football players as well. This is not luck. This is just hard work combined with good management.

apolo72 wrote:

Please let me tell you something, nowadays is the good player that choose the team, not the team choosing player.
I talk with some people and they said to me that this thing is workind in a random system, and if is true, is not ok.
My theory is this: the best players of each country should apears in the best academies of each country, there is a way to do that, let the responsables for the game improve this system like it is working now, badly.

Best regards,

I kind of disagree with good players "choosing" bad managers.
But I do agree that good players shouldn't go to div.3-4 managers.

I even suggested this many times. It should be a challenge for small teams to try to reach higher divsions I.e. receive better youths.

Another huge advantage would be the disappearance of farm teams.

My suggestion was that 4HP 2LP players should always go to top league and div.1 teams.
Div.2 players can receive 4HP 1LP and 3HP 2LP as their best youths.
Div.3 can receive 3HP 2LP as their best youths. I don't see what the problem is. Many times, 3HP 2LP players become better than many 4HP 2LP players.
So, div.4 teams should receive only 3HP 1LP pr 2HP 2LP as their best youths.

I hope you all agree this would he very realistic.

Div.4 means 5th division. What superstars did you ever see playing in the 5th division in RL?

Also, the usage of the TM - they should be alowed to buy the same quality of players.

Years ago, I saw a div.3 or 4 football team buy a 18 million Hector Sugar just to discard him.

All my hockey players are shared. If you ask for it, I can share my football players as well.

This is not luck. This is just hard work combined with good management.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By apolo72 - 05-07-2023 10:40

[FCP_DF]
President

I can continue my theory with two not random distribution steps: First, academy must be complet, full academy. Second: team must participate in all competitions. So, the player have expectation between collegues and expectation to compete at internacional level. After this, I suppose they have a data of creation of youth, so they can organize a way that the players wiil continue reaching randomly but more specific distribution. Best regards,I can continue my theory with two not random distribution steps:
First, academy must be complet, full academy.
Second: team must participate in all competitions.
So, the player have expectation between collegues and expectation to compete at internacional level.
After this, I suppose they have a data of creation of youth, so they can organize a way that the players wiil continue reaching randomly but more specific distribution.

Best regards,

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By apolo72 - 05-07-2023 10:55

[FCP_DF]
President

I agree 100% with what you said. But tell me, how many managers received the quality that you received? Looking at your players I can say never. I never had a group like yours. But I saw sometimes groups with potential and the managers don't know how to deal with the, I agree. But I see you have more specific ideas than me, of course there are good. That's why I prefer avoid the term "luck", it shouln't exist. Before reaching the club is criterium, after that is work and management.

mihairo wrote:

I kind of disagree with good players "choosing" bad managers.
But I do agree that good players shouldn't go to div.3-4 managers.

I even suggested this many times. It should be a challenge for small teams to try to reach higher divsions I.e. receive better youths.

Another huge advantage would be the disappearance of farm teams.

My suggestion was that 4HP 2LP players should always go to top league and div.1 teams.
Div.2 players can receive 4HP 1LP and 3HP 2LP as their best youths.
Div.3 can receive 3HP 2LP as their best youths. I don't see what the problem is. Many times, 3HP 2LP players become better than many 4HP 2LP players.
So, div.4 teams should receive only 3HP 1LP pr 2HP 2LP as their best youths.

I hope you all agree this would he very realistic.

Div.4 means 5th division. What superstars did you ever see playing in the 5th division in RL?

Also, the usage of the TM - they should be alowed to buy the same quality of players.

Years ago, I saw a div.3 or 4 football team buy a 18 million Hector Sugar just to discard him.

All my hockey players are shared. If you ask for it, I can share my football players as well.

This is not luck. This is just hard work combined with good management.

I agree 100% with what you said. But tell me, how many managers received the quality that you received?
Looking at your players I can say never. I never had a group like yours.
But I saw sometimes groups with potential and the managers don't know how to deal with the, I agree.
But I see you have more specific ideas than me, of course there are good.
That's why I prefer avoid the term "luck", it shouln't exist. Before reaching the club is criterium, after that is work and management.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By apolo72 - 05-07-2023 11:07

[FCP_DF]
President

I remember that player called Sugar. :) In footbal actually I just participate without compete because the players are so bad that I don't and it's not good, is the step before give up.I remember that player called Sugar. :)
In footbal actually I just participate without compete because the players are so bad that I don't and it's not good, is the step before give up.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By mihairo - 05-07-2023 12:58

[-FO-]

[fpl=216070943] [fpl=214307941] [fpl=214610221] [fpl=217955479] [fpl=211805304] [fpl=214654867] [fpl=217837089] [fpl=217123039] [fpl=214307944] [fpl=216954595] All these football players are from my Academy. This has got nothing to do with luck or bad luck.

Octavian Soare

Age: 29

Romeo Gherghescu

Age: 31

SpeedSp					(9)
StaminaSt					(9)
Play IntelligencePI					(10)
PassingPa					(5)
ShootingSh					(7)
HeadingHe					(9)
KeepingKe					(3)
Ball ControlBC					(7)
TacklingTa					(10)
Aerial PassingAP					(8)
Set PlaysSP					(1)
ExperienceEx					(10)
FormFo					(9)
Total Skill Balls					78

Alex Balotă

Age: 31

SpeedSp					(8)
StaminaSt					(8)
Play IntelligencePI					(8)
PassingPa					(7)
ShootingSh					(6)
HeadingHe					(5)
KeepingKe					(2)
Ball ControlBC					(7)
TacklingTa					(10)
Aerial PassingAP					(6)
Set PlaysSP					(7)
ExperienceEx					(10)
FormFo					(9)
Total Skill Balls					74

Radu Sărăroiu

Age: 27

Fabian Geantă

Age: 34

Dorin Banu

Age: 31

Florin Seremet

Age: 27

Tiberiu Caramarin

Age: 28

Emanuel Blajovan

Age: 31

Calistrat Madgearu

Age: 28

All these football players are from my Academy.
This has got nothing to do with luck or bad luck.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By mihairo - 05-07-2023 13:07

[-FO-]

In conclusion... I don't want to spam the topic. Anybody can have players like that. You just have to work harder and smarter. Best regards. PS: yes, the sim is bad. I sometimes get frustrated by the results as well. But good players can help you get good results. Take care.In conclusion... I don't want to spam the topic. Anybody can have players like that.
You just have to work harder and smarter.

Best regards.

PS: yes, the sim is bad. I sometimes get frustrated by the results as well. But good players can help you get good results.

Take care.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By apolo72 - 06-07-2023 21:01

[FCP_DF]
President

I want to made my conclusion also, but perhaps instead the word "spam" I suppose you want to say "bumping". However, we are talking about about SIM improvement, so the subject even is not out of the topic that is: [b]MZ Hockey SIM improvement[/b]. Anyway, I will came again when I become hard worker and smarter. Best regards,I want to made my conclusion also, but perhaps instead the word "spam" I suppose you want to say "bumping". However, we are talking about about SIM improvement, so the subject even is not out of the topic that is: MZ Hockey SIM improvement.

Anyway, I will came again when I become hard worker and smarter.

Best regards,

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By genshiken - 24-07-2023 22:28

[FAI]

This is a joke. [img]https://i.imgur.com/zYEor7b.png[/img]This is a joke.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By johnniewalker (RA) - 18-10-2023 18:08

[LaInt]

give me a break, fix the bug please this is not normal, only 3 weeks results 🤣🤣🤣 [img]https://i.ibb.co/b6VtBnv/Robo1.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/nwvLkKq/Robo2.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/cXF0w9r/Robo3.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/H46CjBn/Robo4.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/d2ssW2z/Robo6.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/5vync5q/Robo5.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/b21wm2d/Robo7.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/g7FS96J/Robo8.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/FK3khR3/Robo9.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/n7KYmCJ/Robo10.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/h7YwBG9/Robo11.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/wMBB3JJ/Robo12.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/mJ6PMQy/Robo13.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/xCLxzsY/Robo14.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/VLvVmDf/Robo15.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/5FptHLC/Robo16.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/mHW0kVy/Robo17.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/fD90SfK/Robo18.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/QQxpgn0/Robo19.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/dD5h4nr/Robo20.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/7CpcGXt/Robo21.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/56pRxgG/Robo22.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/mhFjcMh/Robo23.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/dgXS6BD/Robo24.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/R4PhP20/Robo25.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/P9Mg3sD/Robo26.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/SP3bKD8/Robo27.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/j6cMXCq/Robo28.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/ctt2tCt/Robo29.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/R6x8X82/Robo30.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/rMQg3J5/Robo31.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/XC9rgkf/Robo32.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/NtJWm0J/Robo33.png[/img]give me a break, fix the bug please this is not normal, only 3 weeks results 🤣🤣🤣

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By sabiutza - 18-10-2023 18:14

I gave up posting here absurd matches. It happens with all tactics. The perfect word is [b]SHITmulator[/b]

johnniewalker wrote:

give me a break, fix the bug please this is not normal, only 3 weeks results 🤣🤣🤣

I gave up posting here absurd matches.
It happens with all tactics.
The perfect word is SHITmulator

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 24-01-2024 21:50

[POLSKA]

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=223034197 i love this sim. 28-5 and 1-2 score. why not ;]https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=223034197


i love this sim. 28-5 and 1-2 score. why not ;]

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By endiablado17 - 24-01-2024 22:44

[C.A.I]

[b]the true and beautiful robbery XD[/b] [img]https://i.ibb.co/vv1StDZ/Robo.jpg[/img]the true and beautiful robbery XD

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

By zanavykas - 07-02-2024 18:24

[S.WARS]

Well I have different ones like last league game 1-7 shots someghing like 12 - 23 Goalie 10*, stamina 9*, pi *7, quicknes 5*, puck ctrl 7* saving precentige 68% and thats already thrid week were same random continues in almost all games. Buying membership every month this month I will not buy.Well I have different ones like last league game 1-7 shots someghing like 12 - 23
Goalie 10*, stamina 9*, pi *7, quicknes 5*, puck ctrl 7* saving precentige 68% and thats already thrid week were same random continues in almost all games. Buying membership every month this month I will not buy.

Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

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Re: MZ Hockey SIM improvement

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fuzao8831 wrote:

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