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How do you generate more income

By antler2510 - 09-11-2019 10:12

It seems the game has a cap on the income you can earn. I can only earn a small amount through a sponsor, my home league game, x2 Friendlies and that’s it? As I have coaches and a youth set up I’ve been running the club at a steady loss for a while and it’s looking like I’m going to go bankrupt. I only have 18 first team players available. HelpIt seems the game has a cap on the income you can earn. I can only earn a small amount through a sponsor, my home league game, x2 Friendlies and that’s it? As I have coaches and a youth set up I’ve been running the club at a steady loss for a while and it’s looking like I’m going to go bankrupt. I only have 18 first team players available. Help

 

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Re: How do you generate more income

By antler2510 - 09-11-2019 10:17

I have a 300k deficit for the season. That is basically the same amount for my coaches, training camps and youth costs. If I take them out the equation my club runs basically even. I’ve spent about £800 on players. It just looks like the game isn’t financially viable?I have a 300k deficit for the season. That is basically the same amount for my coaches, training camps and youth costs. If I take them out the equation my club runs basically even. I’ve spent about £800 on players. It just looks like the game isn’t financially viable?

Re: How do you generate more income

By chucky06 - 09-11-2019 14:00

[AUSNZ]
President

18 first team players for a division 3 team is way too many. I’d keep 11 or 12 and then use youth as your subs. There’s your first big saving, wages. Secondly, playing in World Leagues and UXx Leagues generates additional income too, I recommend playing these for more income. Three star coaches for 6.5k each seems expensive too. Always be trying to find cheaper coaches. That will help save more money each week. Achievement chains can also generate some extra income for you too, these are great to chip away for extra income. Next, make sure you participate in the mid season tour and end of season tour. These provide additional income. Plenty of ways.. personally my team runs at a loss weekly too. I play in the top division though and have recently bought more than half my team this season so their wages are at their highest. I rely on participation in Tours, selling my youth for profit when they graduate and deep cup runs to be financially sound through the season.18 first team players for a division 3 team is way too many. I’d keep 11 or 12 and then use youth as your subs. There’s your first big saving, wages.

Secondly, playing in World Leagues and UXx Leagues generates additional income too, I recommend playing these for more income.

Three star coaches for 6.5k each seems expensive too. Always be trying to find cheaper coaches. That will help save more money each week.

Achievement chains can also generate some extra income for you too, these are great to chip away for extra income.

Next, make sure you participate in the mid season tour and end of season tour. These provide additional income.

Plenty of ways..
personally my team runs at a loss weekly too. I play in the top division though and have recently bought more than half my team this season so their wages are at their highest. I rely on participation in Tours, selling my youth for profit when they graduate and deep cup runs to be financially sound through the season.

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Re: How do you generate more income

By killerbeeez (NC) - 09-11-2019 14:05

It's tough if you're not paying for the game. But you can still make a profit every week. It's possible and simple. That's what I've been doing for years. Keep expenses below income every week and you should be able to stay afloat until the mid season and end of season bonuses kick in. But for now it's time for some cuts. You're British so I'm sure you're very familiar with austerity :) - fire all your coaches - cut funding to your youth academy. You should have only 11 to 12 players so they can play in mid season and end of season friendlies to complete requirements for your bonuses. -maximize income from your stadium and facilities by using a stadium calculator - keep your wage bill within reason. Tweak until you're making profit of 10,000 to 70,000£ a week. This is up to you. But remember more money will means your league performances will suffer because you won't have players who can compete. -don't pay for training camps. Use the free options for now. You can't go wrong with this setup. But by all means add whatever else makes you more money each week. I hope this helped.It's tough if you're not paying for the game. But you can still make a profit every week. It's possible and simple. That's what I've been doing for years.

Keep expenses below income every week and you should be able to stay afloat until the mid season and end of season bonuses kick in.

But for now it's time for some cuts. You're British so I'm sure you're very familiar with austerity :)

- fire all your coaches

- cut funding to your youth academy. You should have only 11 to 12 players so they can play in mid season and end of season friendlies to complete requirements for your bonuses.

-maximize income from your stadium and facilities by using a stadium calculator

- keep your wage bill within reason. Tweak until you're making profit of 10,000 to 70,000£ a week. This is up to you. But remember more money will means your league performances will suffer because you won't have players who can compete.

-don't pay for training camps. Use the free options for now.

You can't go wrong with this setup. But by all means add whatever else makes you more money each week. I hope this helped.

Re: How do you generate more income

By theloyalone - 09-11-2019 15:15

You just need to tweak your spending methods a bit. Like killerbeez said, dont spend on youths. Keep the Academy alive, but dont spend on their TCs. Use the free TCs. U can send first 6 youths for free TCs, then send next 6 when first 6 are back, etc. That way, you can train upto 18 youths per season without spending a penny on their training. Next, try and understand (and exploit, if you allow me to say) the Transfer Market. Sell your players wisely. I know most managers will criticise me for saying this, and as an XA, maybe it's wrong to say this, but one can really exploit noobs in the market pretty well. It just requires some patience. You can take 'normal' players into your team, train them only on the Field (I never spend on TCs for Seniors), and still make huge profits out of them. Take a look at some of my transfers - https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210429887 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210429878 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210331359 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=205748239 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210165064 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=201291126 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=203692828 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=206808561 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=200935813 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=202409909 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=201818654 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=198361427 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=202389380 https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=204794645 If you take a look at those transfers, you'd see that in so many of those transfers, I have bought players for a meagre sum, trained them in some key skills for 71 days, and then sold them immediately for massive profits (relatively). And I trained them all ONLY on the Training Field. Like I said, I don't spend on TCs. Literally never. This is the first season in 2-3 years that I've sent a player to the TC, and that too only bcoz they will fetch me a lot in the market. There are so many other transfers, where you will see that i've bought a good guy for a particular, and then literally sold him for double (while his skill sets remained almost the same). I ain't showing you all this to boast, but just to let you know how much you can earn from others' ignorance :D Apart from that, never miss out on friendlies, 1 Free Pool Cup per season, and other Free Cups offered. And the guys above have given some very nice suggestions too. Also, don't spend so much on coaches. For your division, your coaches are way too good (and hence costly). Remedies - i) Fire most of your coaches. But not all. Why ? Bcoz firing some coaches might cost more than letting them finish their tenure, and letting them run out of contract. So, fire them wisely. ii) Cut down on your Youth Academy. If you ask me, I wouldnt mind suggesting closing it down too (unless you have some youths graduating who'll fetch u a lot next season). As far as I know, opening the Youth Academy again does not require a 'starting fee' (which was a ridiculous thing lol). You can open it once again when you're in stable waters. iii) Like I already mentioned earlier, don't miss out on any revenue-generating matches.You just need to tweak your spending methods a bit.

Like killerbeez said, dont spend on youths. Keep the Academy alive, but dont spend on their TCs. Use the free TCs. U can send first 6 youths for free TCs, then send next 6 when first 6 are back, etc. That way, you can train upto 18 youths per season without spending a penny on their training.

Next, try and understand (and exploit, if you allow me to say) the Transfer Market. Sell your players wisely. I know most managers will criticise me for saying this, and as an XA, maybe it's wrong to say this, but one can really exploit noobs in the market pretty well. It just requires some patience. You can take 'normal' players into your team, train them only on the Field (I never spend on TCs for Seniors), and still make huge profits out of them.

Take a look at some of my transfers -

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210429887
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210429878
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210331359
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=205748239
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210165064
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=201291126
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=203692828
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=206808561
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=200935813
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=202409909
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=201818654
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=198361427
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=202389380
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=204794645

If you take a look at those transfers, you'd see that in so many of those transfers, I have bought players for a meagre sum, trained them in some key skills for 71 days, and then sold them immediately for massive profits (relatively). And I trained them all ONLY on the Training Field. Like I said, I don't spend on TCs. Literally never. This is the first season in 2-3 years that I've sent a player to the TC, and that too only bcoz they will fetch me a lot in the market.

There are so many other transfers, where you will see that i've bought a good guy for a particular, and then literally sold him for double (while his skill sets remained almost the same).

I ain't showing you all this to boast, but just to let you know how much you can earn from others' ignorance :D

Apart from that, never miss out on friendlies, 1 Free Pool Cup per season, and other Free Cups offered. And the guys above have given some very nice suggestions too.

Also, don't spend so much on coaches. For your division, your coaches are way too good (and hence costly).

Remedies -

i) Fire most of your coaches. But not all. Why ? Bcoz firing some coaches might cost more than letting them finish their tenure, and letting them run out of contract. So, fire them wisely.

ii) Cut down on your Youth Academy. If you ask me, I wouldnt mind suggesting closing it down too (unless you have some youths graduating who'll fetch u a lot next season). As far as I know, opening the Youth Academy again does not require a 'starting fee' (which was a ridiculous thing lol). You can open it once again when you're in stable waters.

iii) Like I already mentioned earlier, don't miss out on any revenue-generating matches.

Re: How do you generate more income

By manekaster - 09-11-2019 18:23

[TDF]
President

Agreed. 3 Star coaches are available for ~£2k per week. You can even get 4 star coaches for less than £6,5k per week. I don’t sign 4 star coaches who want more than £4K per week. That being said, I’m not sure about the currency rate, but I guess it’s £1 ~ 10 NOK (Norwegian krone).

chucky06 wrote:

Three star coaches for 6.5k each seems expensive too. Always be trying to find cheaper coaches. That will help save more money each week.

Agreed. 3 Star coaches are available for ~£2k per week. You can even get 4 star coaches for less than £6,5k per week. I don’t sign 4 star coaches who want more than £4K per week. That being said, I’m not sure about the currency rate, but I guess it’s £1 ~ 10 NOK (Norwegian krone).

Re: How do you generate more income

By manekaster - 09-11-2019 18:26

[TDF]
President

11+4 senior players is enough for a division 3 team. If participate in the Uxx Northern Europe leagues, you’ll need some U23 and U21 players as well. Some of your U23 players will eventually become senior team players, and thus you’ll not have to buy expensive players when your senior players deteriorate or retire. The same goes for U21 players. They will eventually make it to your U23 team.11+4 senior players is enough for a division 3 team. If participate in the Uxx Northern Europe leagues, you’ll need some U23 and U21 players as well. Some of your U23 players will eventually become senior team players, and thus you’ll not have to buy expensive players when your senior players deteriorate or retire. The same goes for U21 players. They will eventually make it to your U23 team.

Re: How do you generate more income

By manekaster - 09-11-2019 18:32

[TDF]
President

Why would anyone criticise you for telling the truth as a GA? If anything, people should rather criticise you if you’d been hiding the truth :)

theloyalone wrote:

I know most managers will criticise me for saying this, and as an XA, maybe it's wrong to say this, but one can really exploit noobs in the market pretty well. It just requires some patience.

Why would anyone criticise you for telling the truth as a GA? If anything, people should rather criticise you if you’d been hiding the truth :)

Re: How do you generate more income

By theloyalone - 09-11-2019 18:47

just saving my rear for any future backlash :D

manekaster wrote:

Why would anyone criticise you for telling the truth as a GA? If anything, people should rather criticise you if you’d been hiding the truth :)

just saving my rear for any future backlash :D

Re: How do you generate more income

By darkline - 09-11-2019 21:04

[FLUSA]
President

Is not even "exploiting noobs" , you buy players & train a few balls, if they max out is a loss for you and if you get them to train a few extra good ones you can sell him on the market and someone willing to take further risks or an Uxx manager will buy him at a higher price. You do have to consider taxes & salaries into the equation though...Is not even "exploiting noobs" , you buy players & train a few balls, if they max out is a loss for you and if you get them to train a few extra good ones you can sell him on the market and someone willing to take further risks or an Uxx manager will buy him at a higher price.

You do have to consider taxes & salaries into the equation though...

Re: How do you generate more income

By theloyalone - 10-11-2019 06:16

When I spoke of 'exploiting', this is exactly what I spoke of - About how one can exploit noobs on the TM and make a profit (or atthe least, no loss) situation even for players that have maxed earlier than they should have, or have not gained any substantial skill ball ! Take a look at this player - https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=205748239&tid=118687 When I bought him, he already had 10@ keeping. Furthermore, I could train him only in PI, that too just one ball, at which he maxed (7 i guess). As soon as the 71 day period ended, I put him up for a price close to 2.5 times the price i bought him for. And I managed to sell him :D Very true, but when one takes Uxx guys, you can also make them play in Uxx leagues/cups/FLs etc, and make up for their salary costs.

darkline wrote:

Is not even "exploiting noobs" , you buy players & train a few balls, if they max out is a loss for you

When I spoke of 'exploiting', this is exactly what I spoke of - About how one can exploit noobs on the TM and make a profit (or atthe least, no loss) situation even for players that have maxed earlier than they should have, or have not gained any substantial skill ball !

Take a look at this player - https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=205748239&tid=118687

When I bought him, he already had 10@ keeping. Furthermore, I could train him only in PI, that too just one ball, at which he maxed (7 i guess). As soon as the 71 day period ended, I put him up for a price close to 2.5 times the price i bought him for. And I managed to sell him :D

darkline wrote:

You do have to consider taxes & salaries into the equation though...

Very true, but when one takes Uxx guys, you can also make them play in Uxx leagues/cups/FLs etc, and make up for their salary costs.

Re: How do you generate more income

By theloyalone - 10-11-2019 06:19

The biggest example for me is this guy - https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=203692828 He was one of my best players for years...been at my club for 459 days, and was invaluable. When I initially put him at the price which i eventually sold him for, one of the potential bidders mssgd me ''Can you sell him to me for lower ? No one's gonna buy him for that price...i'm willing to pay close to 1.3 of that...and i knew that was true...hell, to be honest, i myself wouldnt have bought my own player for even half that price (especially given his age). But see, he got sold !The biggest example for me is this guy -

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=203692828

He was one of my best players for years...been at my club for 459 days, and was invaluable. When I initially put him at the price which i eventually sold him for, one of the potential bidders mssgd me ''Can you sell him to me for lower ? No one's gonna buy him for that price...i'm willing to pay close to 1.3 of that...and i knew that was true...hell, to be honest, i myself wouldnt have bought my own player for even half that price (especially given his age). But see, he got sold !

Re: How do you generate more income

By joseluiz_go - 11-11-2019 15:09

[FAM 21]

Unfortunately MZ is different from reality in the following: In reality, the more money you invest, the greater your revenue potential. Here we have a very low revenue ceiling, so the investment cannot be overstated. I'd like to see in the future a scenario where MZ encourages teams to spend more money (with bigger prize money, maybe)Unfortunately MZ is different from reality in the following: In reality, the more money you invest, the greater your revenue potential. Here we have a very low revenue ceiling, so the investment cannot be overstated. I'd like to see in the future a scenario where MZ encourages teams to spend more money (with bigger prize money, maybe)

Ri: How do you generate more income

By frony - 18-11-2019 19:47

[FALCO]

Invest heavily on youths! When I started I've ordered the maximum amount of youths possible with 4@ coaches around 6/7k of salary, and when this generation became senior (with the help of some youth exchanges) I started to have 6/6/6 youths (18 in total). After that I've started to order 10@ coaches and the maximum amount of youths. Selling U21 in one of the best ways of making money here, because there are teams that only play in Uxx leagues and are able to overpay good U21 players (because when they sell them they have 23 years old and usually the players value on the market doesn't drop, as for example happens with O29 seniors). And you'll have to learn by looking at the market what kind of player is good for Uxx teams, a lot of the times there are players that would be worthless for senior teams that have a lot of value in the Uxx market.Invest heavily on youths!
When I started I've ordered the maximum amount of youths possible with 4@ coaches around 6/7k of salary, and when this generation became senior (with the help of some youth exchanges) I started to have 6/6/6 youths (18 in total). After that I've started to order 10@ coaches and the maximum amount of youths.
Selling U21 in one of the best ways of making money here, because there are teams that only play in Uxx leagues and are able to overpay good U21 players (because when they sell them they have 23 years old and usually the players value on the market doesn't drop, as for example happens with O29 seniors). And you'll have to learn by looking at the market what kind of player is good for Uxx teams, a lot of the times there are players that would be worthless for senior teams that have a lot of value in the Uxx market.

Ri: How do you generate more income

By frony - 18-11-2019 19:50

[FALCO]

Everytime you'll be able to make good money with U21 players invest in good O23 with less maxings to risk and the potential to be in the top league, because like this you won't compete in the market with Uxx teams. You don't need to have a competitive team as soon as possible, but if you will be able to buy 2/3 O23 every season you will create a good senior team, that then you could complete with some deteriorating seniors.Everytime you'll be able to make good money with U21 players invest in good O23 with less maxings to risk and the potential to be in the top league, because like this you won't compete in the market with Uxx teams.
You don't need to have a competitive team as soon as possible, but if you will be able to buy 2/3 O23 every season you will create a good senior team, that then you could complete with some deteriorating seniors.

Re: How do you generate more income

By charef (FA) (NC) - 19-11-2019 14:16

[PV]

I like this kind of threads where all the masters of the game come to discuss and share their experience 😁I like this kind of threads where all the masters of the game come to discuss and share their experience 😁

Re: How do you generate more income

By evosa - 19-11-2019 22:41

[LEGEND]

I think 10 ball coaches are a waste of money. I just checked your coaches and their total salary is around 130k € per week? My coaches all have at least 2 skills on 9-balls and total salary per week for coaches is 36k(€) Thats nearly a 100k saved every week! Plus I still got room for reduction of coaches salary - right now trying to reduce it futher 5k! So one tip is always to look coaches with low salaries!

frony wrote:

After that I've started to order 10@ coaches and the maximum amount of youths.

I think 10 ball coaches are a waste of money. I just checked your coaches and their total salary is around 130k € per week? My coaches all have at least 2 skills on 9-balls and total salary per week for coaches is 36k(€) Thats nearly a 100k saved every week!

Plus I still got room for reduction of coaches salary - right now trying to reduce it futher 5k!

So one tip is always to look coaches with low salaries!

Re: How do you generate more income

By antler2510 - 19-11-2019 23:51

Thanks for all your help guys. I made 24k profit this week and am only 8 games away from Mid Season tour :DThanks for all your help guys. I made 24k profit this week and am only 8 games away from
Mid
Season tour :D

Ri: How do you generate more income

By frony - 04-12-2019 13:56

[FALCO]

I have room from improvement in this area too, I'm too lazy to search for 10@coaches with 9k salary all the time, but I prefer to think that it's an investment, not a waste of money. With a 10@ coach your players will have 2/3@ more when they arrive at 21 years old, and if you want your U21s to be in the national team they need these @, even Uxx teams tend to search for the most skilled players. Even with deteriorating players they are worth it because they start again to train at 2/3 and gain @. They are worthwhile even if you want to train a generations of players from youth to your senior team because at one point you'll save at least one expensive campus to them. At the beginning I've started with 9@ too, but if you have the possibility to have some 10@ why not?

evosa wrote:

I think 10 ball coaches are a waste of money. I just checked your coaches and their total salary is around 130k € per week? My coaches all have at least 2 skills on 9-balls and total salary per week for coaches is 36k(€) Thats nearly a 100k saved every week!

Plus I still got room for reduction of coaches salary - right now trying to reduce it futher 5k!

So one tip is always to look coaches with low salaries!

I have room from improvement in this area too, I'm too lazy to search for 10@coaches with 9k salary all the time, but I prefer to think that it's an investment, not a waste of money. With a 10@ coach your players will have 2/3@ more when they arrive at 21 years old, and if you want your U21s to be in the national team they need these @, even Uxx teams tend to search for the most skilled players. Even with deteriorating players they are worth it because they start again to train at 2/3 and gain @. They are worthwhile even if you want to train a generations of players from youth to your senior team because at one point you'll save at least one expensive campus to them.
At the beginning I've started with 9@ too, but if you have the possibility to have some 10@ why not?

Re: How do you generate more income

By yakirsha (NC) - 19-02-2020 04:00

[LEGEND]

what are speed different from coach with 6 balls and 10 balls its significant?what are speed different from coach with 6 balls
and 10 balls its significant?

Re: How do you generate more income

By chucky06 - 19-02-2020 07:37

[AUSNZ]
President

It’s really hard to tell as all players train at different speeds. A 10 ball coach with train your players faster yes, but is it worth the money? That’s kinda up to yourself. I like to refer everything to money on this game, as inevitably the more money you have the better players you can buy or invest in. If you’re buying “project players” to quickly, after a season or two flip and make profit than 100% a 10 ball coach to train them faster is worth it. If you’re buying a young team and building them up through multiple seasons, a 10 ball coach really wouldn’t be as necessary. All depends on your game plan. If you don’t have one, I’d start there :)

yakirsha wrote:

what are speed different from coach with 6 balls
and 10 balls its significant?

It’s really hard to tell as all players train at different speeds. A 10 ball coach with train your players faster yes, but is it worth the money? That’s kinda up to yourself.

I like to refer everything to money on this game, as inevitably the more money you have the better players you can buy or invest in. If you’re buying “project players” to quickly, after a season or two flip and make profit than 100% a 10 ball coach to train them faster is worth it.

If you’re buying a young team and building them up through multiple seasons, a 10 ball coach really wouldn’t be as necessary.

All depends on your game plan. If you don’t have one, I’d start there :)

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Re: How do you generate more income

By deleted_8587460 - 07-04-2020 16:32

I have also been struggling in that aspect. It's really hard to get enough income.I have also been struggling in that aspect. It's really hard to get enough income.

 

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