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By deleted_8537346 - 20-10-2018 00:08

What is this thing? I have none foreign players in team, but I see my bid on transfer market went from 25k to 100k (total with work permit).. Can you explain me this thing, what are the logics of that? Because I made bid on same nationalities more and these don't charge permits from me... Some players do and some not. I don't understand this permit thing.What is this thing? I have none foreign players in team, but I see my bid on transfer market went from 25k to 100k (total with work permit)..

Can you explain me this thing, what are the logics of that? Because I made bid on same nationalities more and these don't charge permits from me... Some players do and some not.

I don't understand this permit thing.

 

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Re: Work Permit

By tree_amigos - 20-10-2018 03:25

[MZUSA]
President

Once you have bid on more foreign players than you are able to have without a work permit, then a work permit cost will automatically be added to any other foreign players upon which you bid. If you no longer have the high bid on one of your early bid I think the work permit might drop off from a player - don't know for certain as this is not something I have ever had happen. If you lose the bid for one of the non-work permit foreigners, then the requirement/cost of a work permit should drop off of one player. I have in the past, when I had an open permit slot, purchased a permit for a lower wage player I already had on my team to avoid paying a higher permit fee for a player I was looking to bring in. Sometimes it doesn't work because you pay the permit cost for the player you already have and then don't win the bid for the new one.Once you have bid on more foreign players than you are able to have without a work permit, then a work permit cost will automatically be added to any other foreign players upon which you bid. If you no longer have the high bid on one of your early bid I think the work permit might drop off from a player - don't know for certain as this is not something I have ever had happen.

If you lose the bid for one of the non-work permit foreigners, then the requirement/cost of a work permit should drop off of one player.

I have in the past, when I had an open permit slot, purchased a permit for a lower wage player I already had on my team to avoid paying a higher permit fee for a player I was looking to bring in. Sometimes it doesn't work because you pay the permit cost for the player you already have and then don't win the bid for the new one.

Re: Work Permit

By deleted_8537346 - 20-10-2018 03:53

OK, thanks for the time. It was really scary situation.. I was biding on market - you know - good players, but cheap bids - so I made more than 3 of them - since I knew, someone will overbid me anyways. Tho still that Work Permit appeared... I won the player to who the Permit appeared. I let you know, how it went, do I still have to pay for him that fee or it is just an area where programmers should do some reworks, so it won't mess up things. Currently I have 0 foreign players, won one - and on transfers monitoring it still shows Work Permit. For newbies that 75000 fee is really confusing and scary number next to bid. Confusing was also this, that I made bids for players, which auctions ended after the ones to who system put Work Permit - not logical - have 0 foreigners, then suddenly with Work Permits and then again players with no extra fees. I guess/understand system formula generates Work Permits on players in order the bids were made, but in reality it doesn't make any sense. Formula should work: 1) Count foreign players already in team before bids 2) Situation: 0 foreigners in team, OK, 3 extra may come; when 3 bids made, then generate to 4th player POSSIBLE work permit. --- in order how the DEFAULT/first deadlines were . 3) When any of these 3 players were overbid, move that possible work permit to 5th player. And so on. 4) When winning a player in auction, but not in team, yet - then count it still as already owned foreign player - in case there are many other bids on. -- system should update the work Permit in transfer monitoring . I understand it is good feature to control foreign markets (fair play), but technically it is not A+ ready, yet. Domestic players: 34 Foreign players: 2 (maximum 3) Work permits: 1 (maximum 4) Pending foreign players: 2 Pending work permits: 1 -- this statistics is totally faulty, too. I don't understand a line, what it says, cause it doesn't make any sense. I actually have 0 foreign players, today now won one and already it tells me I have to pay cause of him work permit.OK, thanks for the time.

It was really scary situation.. I was biding on market - you know - good players, but cheap bids - so I made more than 3 of them - since I knew, someone will overbid me anyways.

Tho still that Work Permit appeared... I won the player to who the Permit appeared. I let you know, how it went, do I still have to pay for him that fee or it is just an area where programmers should do some reworks, so it won't mess up things.

Currently I have 0 foreign players, won one - and on transfers monitoring it still shows Work Permit.
For newbies that 75000 fee is really confusing and scary number next to bid.

Confusing was also this, that I made bids for players, which auctions ended after the ones to who system put Work Permit - not logical - have 0 foreigners, then suddenly with Work Permits and then again players with no extra fees.

I guess/understand system formula generates Work Permits on players in order the bids were made, but in reality it doesn't make any sense.

Formula should work:
1) Count foreign players already in team before bids
2) Situation: 0 foreigners in team, OK, 3 extra may come; when 3 bids made, then generate to 4th player POSSIBLE work permit. --- in order how the DEFAULT/first deadlines were .
3) When any of these 3 players were overbid, move that possible work permit to 5th player. And so on.
4) When winning a player in auction, but not in team, yet - then count it still as already owned foreign player - in case there are many other bids on.

-- system should update the work Permit in transfer monitoring . I understand it is good feature to control foreign markets (fair play), but technically it is not A+ ready, yet.




Domestic players: 34
Foreign players: 2 (maximum 3)
Work permits: 1 (maximum 4)
Pending foreign players: 2
Pending work permits: 1

-- this statistics is totally faulty, too. I don't understand a line, what it says, cause it doesn't make any sense.
I actually have 0 foreign players, today now won one and already it tells me I have to pay cause of him work permit.

Re: Work Permit

By aurelrabei - 20-10-2018 06:45

[BotP]

3 foreign players follow to come at the club since you won the bid. The work permit one was actually the 4th bid you put on foreign players, but you lost one of the first 3. Just sit back and relax. Everything will fall into place. [;)]3 foreign players follow to come at the club since you won the bid.
The work permit one was actually the 4th bid you put on foreign players, but you lost one of the first 3.
Just sit back and relax. Everything will fall into place. ;)

Re: Work Permit

By deleted_8537346 - 20-10-2018 07:05

OK, then its cool. Thanks and good luck!OK, then its cool. Thanks and good luck!

Re: Work Permit

By deleted_8537346 - 21-10-2018 08:23

This is not fair, honestly. I had 0 foreign players - i just made bids on market, those first 3 bids were on player i was sure someone will overbid them and they were. and i still got charged 75k now. 2018-10-21 Work Permit cost - 76 541 EUR My budget is now in minus 80k cause of that.This is not fair, honestly. I had 0 foreign players - i just made bids on market, those first 3 bids were on player i was sure someone will overbid them and they were.

and i still got charged 75k now.



2018-10-21 Work Permit cost - 76 541 EUR

My budget is now in minus 80k cause of that.

Re: Work Permit

By evosa - 21-10-2018 18:09

[LEGEND]

we all have made somekind of mistakes in the past, so nothing to complain about. btw this is exactly why transfer market is closed for the first 3 weeks for new users(not really, but point made) and I personally think it should remain like that even if users buy CM.

raamatupood wrote:

This is not fair, honestly. I had 0 foreign players - i just made bids on market, those first 3 bids were on player i was sure someone will overbid them and they were.

and i still got charged 75k now.



2018-10-21 Work Permit cost - 76 541 EUR

My budget is now in minus 80k cause of that.

we all have made somekind of mistakes in the past, so nothing to complain about. btw this is exactly why transfer market is closed for the first 3 weeks for new users(not really, but point made) and I personally think it should remain like that even if users buy CM.

Re: Work Permit

By deleted_8537346 - 21-10-2018 18:25

This really is not mistake, it can't be named like that. This Work Permit will be surprise for newbie no matter how long he has played MZ. Because I am not so "new". I played MZ 10 years ago, too. Now came back. What I want to say, is, there was no warnings or what so ever, that no matter do I win the bids, the 4th bid will be with punishment. I mean.. I did read manual what is the Work Permit - got it, that 3 foreigners are normal and if I want extra, then must pay more. Didn't read anywhere, that if I bid more than 3, then WP already kicks in - no matter did I win those first 3 or not. I just placed bids on good players, with 100 EUR starting prizes - that was sure thing their price go up, that someone bids more. Anyways I will survive this 75k, but honestly, this Work Permit needs some better manual, it must say that Work Permit will be added no matter do I have 3 foreigners in team or not. I don't like that I read here that I am "stupid", or that I don't have no experience and that "your own fault". This Work Permit is just not well explained in manual.This really is not mistake, it can't be named like that.

This Work Permit will be surprise for newbie no matter how long he has played MZ. Because I am not so "new". I played MZ 10 years ago, too. Now came back.


What I want to say, is, there was no warnings or what so ever, that no matter do I win the bids, the 4th bid will be with punishment.

I mean.. I did read manual what is the Work Permit - got it, that 3 foreigners are normal and if I want extra, then must pay more. Didn't read anywhere, that if I bid more than 3, then WP already kicks in - no matter did I win those first 3 or not.
I just placed bids on good players, with 100 EUR starting prizes - that was sure thing their price go up, that someone bids more.

Anyways I will survive this 75k, but honestly, this Work Permit needs some better manual, it must say that Work Permit will be added no matter do I have 3 foreigners in team or not. I don't like that I read here that I am "stupid", or that I don't have no experience and that "your own fault". This Work Permit is just not well explained in manual.

Re: Work Permit

By deleted_8537346 - 21-10-2018 18:28

I asked many other managers, do I really have to pay Work Permit now, even if I didn't win those first 3 foreigners - and they all said, don't worry, it must be a bug or smth. They are in far better divisions and have been active here much more and they all failed same way with knowledge.I asked many other managers, do I really have to pay Work Permit now, even if I didn't win those first 3 foreigners - and they all said, don't worry, it must be a bug or smth.

They are in far better divisions and have been active here much more and they all failed same way with knowledge.

Re: Work Permit

By deleted_8537346 - 21-10-2018 19:34

All good, I don't whine (it may sound like that). :D I have humor sense too... For example.. that foreign player got because of manager's verbal bad morale and decided to get injury in his first game with new team.. 2 minutes playtime and back to bench; actually player got head ache from my forum posts. Just do some edits in manual about Work Permit, to make it more clear. Peace.All good, I don't whine (it may sound like that). :D I have humor sense too... For example.. that foreign player got because of manager's verbal bad morale and decided to get injury in his first game with new team.. 2 minutes playtime and back to bench; actually player got head ache from my forum posts.

Just do some edits in manual about Work Permit, to make it more clear. Peace.

 

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