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Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By rubiton111 - 25-07-2018 23:41

[MZ U18]

I always use my guy with the most shooting - but I see to have my Penalty's saved more often than they are scored :( This could be one eyed comment though... Maybe is 50-50 scored. Has anyone an Idea on what balls are the best for Penalty's? Saying 10 Shooting and 10 Set Plays would be unhelpful! Because I run an u-18 and u21 team only... So we are limited on how many balls.I always use my guy with the most shooting - but I see to have my Penalty's saved more often than they are scored :(

This could be one eyed comment though... Maybe is 50-50 scored.

Has anyone an Idea on what balls are the best for Penalty's?

Saying 10 Shooting and 10 Set Plays would be unhelpful! Because I run an u-18 and u21 team only... So we are limited on how many balls.

 

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Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 26-07-2018 03:45

[Canada]

I go with shooting too. Shooting down kanga especially.I go with shooting too. Shooting down kanga especially.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By evosa - 26-07-2018 09:51

[LEGEND]

I have used best set play taker as penalty taker for my team. With NT team I looked the combo of those two skills!I have used best set play taker as penalty taker for my team. With NT team I looked the combo of those two skills!

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 26-07-2018 10:50

I have a 7@set plays player with just 1@ in shooting I will set him up as penalty taker and will get back at you with some stats (but i reckon it will take a while)I have a 7@set plays player with just 1@ in shooting
I will set him up as penalty taker and will get back at you with some stats (but i reckon it will take a while)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 26-07-2018 12:46

also, the 7@ set plays is one quarter away from becoming an 8@ and to add a bit more to the conversation: I had a 10@shooter as my penalty taker for many seasons (with only 1@ in set plays) He had a pretty nice ratio (almost perfect) (sorry I can't provide numbers) while I was playing in weaker leagues As soon as the opposition became tougher, the ratio started to fall, even though my player had raised his set plays up to 5@ (maxed so not sure if s.plays at 5 is simply not enough to affect scoring ability from penalties) All this talk of course without taking into account the luck/RNG ellementalso, the 7@ set plays is one quarter away from becoming an 8@

and to add a bit more to the conversation:

I had a 10@shooter as my penalty taker for many seasons (with only 1@ in set plays)

He had a pretty nice ratio (almost perfect) (sorry I can't provide numbers) while I was playing in weaker leagues

As soon as the opposition became tougher, the ratio started to fall, even though my player had raised his set plays up to 5@ (maxed so not sure if s.plays at 5 is simply not enough to affect scoring ability from penalties)

All this talk of course without taking into account the luck/RNG ellement

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By rubiton111 - 27-07-2018 01:15

[MZ U18]

This will be an interesting experiment. I think you will find out fast if is not good with just set play.

aldebaran wrote:

I have a 7@set plays player with just 1@ in shooting
I will set him up as penalty taker and will get back at you with some stats (but i reckon it will take a while)

This will be an interesting experiment. I think you will find out fast if is not good with just set play.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By jogador26098 - 27-07-2018 23:48

[H2H]
President

Nice test. Bring your resultfor us. I always search players with much @ in shooting and experience. After, if he has much @ in set plays, so he's elected.Nice test.

Bring your resultfor us.

I always search players with much @ in shooting and experience. After, if he has much @ in set plays, so he's elected.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 28-07-2018 13:41

this is the shooter (previous penalty taker) [fpl=191365648] and this is the current set plays taker [fpl=202435885] It will take a while because I only play friendlies and league games. Also the chance of a penalty occurring is not that high at my current "difficulty level" non the less, I will keep the test running for...let's say until 20 penalties have occurred is that a good number guys? ps. it will also be nice if other managers could join this experiment ie. 2 people gathering data with simple 10@shooting and low experience penalty takers another 2 managers with 10@shooter 10@XP penalty takers and so on (various combinations) we still won't be able to take into account the effect of the opponent keeper, but I think we will get some good insightsthis is the shooter (previous penalty taker)

Denílson Mazza

Age: 54 (Retired)

SpeedSp					(7)
StaminaSt					(7)
Play IntelligencePI					(9)
PassingPa					(7)
ShootingSh					(10)
HeadingHe					(5)
KeepingKe					(0)
Ball ControlBC					(8)
TacklingTa					(9)
Aerial PassingAP					(2)
Set PlaysSP					(5)
ExperienceEx					(10)
FormFo					(9)
Total Skill Balls					69

and this is the current set plays taker

Alexandros Tsagogeorgas

Age: 50 (Retired)

SpeedSp					(5)
StaminaSt					(7)
Play IntelligencePI					(8)
PassingPa					(6)
ShootingSh					(6)
HeadingHe					(6)
KeepingKe					(3)
Ball ControlBC					(7)
TacklingTa					(8)
Aerial PassingAP					(10)
Set PlaysSP					(8)
ExperienceEx					(10)
FormFo					(9)
Total Skill Balls					74

It will take a while because I only play friendlies and league games. Also the chance of a penalty occurring is not that high at my current "difficulty level"

non the less, I will keep the test running for...let's say until 20 penalties have occurred

is that a good number guys?

ps. it will also be nice if other managers could join this experiment
ie. 2 people gathering data with simple 10@shooting and low experience penalty takers
another 2 managers with 10@shooter 10@XP penalty takers and so on (various combinations)

we still won't be able to take into account the effect of the opponent keeper, but I think we will get some good insights

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By rubiton111 - 29-07-2018 02:57

[MZ U18]

Sounds good to me - wish I could contribute, but only have U-21sSounds good to me - wish I could contribute, but only have U-21s

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 02-08-2018 15:18

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1026647947&tid=1254726 2 penalties on the same [u]friendly[/u] match 1 out of 2 for the penalty taker with 1@ in shooting and 7@ in set playshttps://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1026647947&tid=1254726

2 penalties on the same friendly match

1 out of 2 for the penalty taker with 1@ in shooting and 7@ in set plays

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By rubiton111 - 02-08-2018 16:00

[MZ U18]

50% is what I get in my U-18s with a 6 ball shooter.50% is what I get in my U-18s with a 6 ball shooter.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 03-08-2018 03:41

[Canada]

I will contribute as well, I have good jokes in my bag.I will contribute as well, I have good jokes in my bag.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By michael9599 - 03-08-2018 12:18

[PSCF]

Two penalties in the same game, right after setting up this experiment? I feel a little simming going on here. ;)

aldebaran wrote:

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1026647947&tid=1254726

2 penalties on the same friendly match

1 out of 2 for the penalty taker with 1@ in shooting and 7@ in set plays

Two penalties in the same game, right after setting up this experiment? I feel a little simming going on here. ;)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By rubiton111 - 03-08-2018 12:29

[MZ U18]

LOL :) The post was 4 days after the start.LOL :)

The post was 4 days after the start.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 10-08-2018 04:04

[Canada]

My 0 shooting guy missed. My 0 set play guy scored. This gonna be interesting.My 0 shooting guy missed. My 0 set play guy scored.

This gonna be interesting.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 10-08-2018 10:12

I bet most of us have a feeling that penalty scoring is just down to plain luck

aemi wrote:

My 0 shooting guy missed. My 0 set play guy scored.

This gonna be interesting.

I bet most of us have a feeling that penalty scoring is just down to plain luck

Odg.: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By elgoranian (LA) (NCA) - 10-08-2018 18:30

[Ex Yu]

I use player with most @ in shoot, than iq and then set plays....I use player with most @ in shoot, than iq and then set plays....

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By evosa - 11-08-2018 11:38

[LEGEND]

That is how I feel about penaltes in real life! [:P]

aldebaran wrote:

I bet most of us have a feeling that penalty scoring is just down to plain luck

That is how I feel about penaltes in real life!

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 14-08-2018 12:50

update friendly match https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1026974026&tid=1254726 missed penalty (shot wide out of goal, perhaps @shooting has (also) to do with accuracy while taking penalties) (also the opposing keeper had a [u]good[/u] performance in the above match) [b]1/3 in total[/b] (all in friendlies) ps. the penalty taker now has 8@ in set plays (maxed)update

friendly match

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1026974026&tid=1254726

missed penalty (shot wide out of goal, perhaps @shooting has (also) to do with accuracy while taking penalties)

(also the opposing keeper had a good performance in the above match)

1/3 in total (all in friendlies)

ps. the penalty taker now has 8@ in set plays (maxed)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 15-08-2018 02:31

[Canada]

Fire him.

aldebaran wrote:

update

friendly match

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1026974026&tid=1254726

missed penalty (shot wide out of goal, perhaps @shooting has (also) to do with accuracy while taking penalties)

(also the opposing keeper had a good performance in the above match)

1/3 in total (all in friendlies)

ps. the penalty taker now has 8@ in set plays (maxed)

Fire him.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 15-08-2018 04:50

2-3 more seasons until "voluntary" retirement :p

aemi wrote:

Fire him.

2-3 more seasons until "voluntary" retirement
:p

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 15-08-2018 15:33

another missed penalty, this time in a league match https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1013161005 the penalty shot was on target but got deflected by the 1mil valued opposing keeper [b]1/4 in total[/b] (0/1 league - 1/3 friendlies)another missed penalty, this time in a league match

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1013161005

the penalty shot was on target but got deflected by the 1mil valued opposing keeper

1/4 in total (0/1 league - 1/3 friendlies)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By theloyalone - 15-08-2018 20:14

you don't have to take the time and efforts to reply to that...aemi says that standard sentence of his while referring to any and every player [:P][:D]

aemi wrote:

Fire him.

aldebaran wrote:

2-3 more seasons until "voluntary" retirement
:p

you don't have to take the time and efforts to reply to that...aemi says that standard sentence of his while referring to any and every player :P:D

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 16-08-2018 03:36

[Canada]

Can someone fire theNotSoLoyalone? He is no longer loyal. :)

theloyalone wrote:

you don't have to take the time and efforts to reply to that...aemi says that standard sentence of his while referring to any and every player :P:D

Can someone fire theNotSoLoyalone?

He is no longer loyal. :)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By theloyalone - 16-08-2018 16:31

i swear i saw that coming. +1 for me and my aemi-sensing instincts [H]

aemi wrote:

Can someone fire theNotSoLoyalone?

He is no longer loyal. :)

i swear i saw that coming. +1 for me and my aemi-sensing instincts H

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 08-09-2018 12:23

update 2/5 penalties (0/1 league, 2/4 friendlies) https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1027973220&tid=1254726 the shot went straight to the keeper but got deflected to the back of the netupdate

2/5 penalties (0/1 league, 2/4 friendlies)

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1027973220&tid=1254726

the shot went straight to the keeper but got deflected to the back of the net

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 11-09-2018 12:36

update 3/6 penalties (0/1 league, 3/5 friendlies) https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1028007426&tid=1254726 again, the shot went straight to the keeper and got deflected to the back of the net ps. the good thing about the friendlies penalties, is that the opposing keeper is always the same (one less random factor to take into account)update

3/6 penalties (0/1 league, 3/5 friendlies)

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1028007426&tid=1254726

again, the shot went straight to the keeper and got deflected to the back of the net

ps. the good thing about the friendlies penalties, is that the opposing keeper is always the same (one less random factor to take into account)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By my7h - 11-09-2018 21:44

Is this experiment going versus different GK, as this will really alter the result. It should be done in scout matches vs same team,to remove any variablesIs this experiment going versus different GK, as this will really alter the result.

It should be done in scout matches vs same team,to remove any variables

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 11-09-2018 23:55

Scout matches? You mean the ones with over 50% luck coeficient in them? And tokens? Feel free to spend your money and your free club membership scout matches, cause I don't have neither of them to spare :P This is just another "silly" experiment so we can get a broad idea about how some things work in MZ. There's no need to over analyze anything in MZ, simply because the RNG factor is too high or because the whole SIM behaviour can be changed in a jiffy simply by changing a few digits here and thereScout matches?
You mean the ones with over 50% luck coeficient in them?

And tokens?
Feel free to spend your money and your free club membership scout matches, cause I don't have neither of them to spare
:P

This is just another "silly" experiment so we can get a broad idea about how some things work in MZ.

There's no need to over analyze anything in MZ, simply because the RNG factor is too high or because the whole SIM behaviour can be changed in a jiffy simply by changing a few digits here and there

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 12-09-2018 03:46

[Canada]

what are you talking about alde, MZ is a fine machine of high precision simulator of kangaroo kicking. How dare you imply MZ SIM is random?! You must apologize to the Swedish nation, they gave us IKEA, Volvo and MZ. There is so much precision in the sim that even a crew member is not able to win stuff... the sim is that good.what are you talking about alde, MZ is a fine machine of high precision simulator of kangaroo kicking. How dare you imply MZ SIM is random?! You must apologize to the Swedish nation, they gave us IKEA, Volvo and MZ. There is so much precision in the sim that even a crew member is not able to win stuff... the sim is that good.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 12-09-2018 17:20

Sweden also gave us Sabaton and Yngwie Malmsteen :DSweden also gave us Sabaton and Yngwie Malmsteen :D

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 28-09-2018 12:59

update https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1028549810&tid=1254726 friendly match (same oppoent as always) successful penalty, directly to the side post and then into the net https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1029101848&tid=1254726 cup match (20yo keeper, 670k EU value) successful penalty, aimed to the right corner 5/7 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 4/6 friendlies)update

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1028549810&tid=1254726

friendly match (same oppoent as always)

successful penalty, directly to the side post and then into the net

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1029101848&tid=1254726

cup match (20yo keeper, 670k EU value)

successful penalty, aimed to the right corner

5/7 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 4/6 friendlies)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 28-09-2018 13:01

and an update on the profile of the penalty taker [fpl=202435885]and an update on the profile of the penalty taker

Alexandros Tsagogeorgas

Age: 50 (Retired)

SpeedSp					(5)
StaminaSt					(7)
Play IntelligencePI					(8)
PassingPa					(6)
ShootingSh					(6)
HeadingHe					(6)
KeepingKe					(3)
Ball ControlBC					(7)
TacklingTa					(8)
Aerial PassingAP					(10)
Set PlaysSP					(8)
ExperienceEx					(10)
FormFo					(9)
Total Skill Balls					74

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 02-10-2018 02:53

[Canada]

fire him. But anyways, it has been finally settled that your player needs to have 10 AP, in order to be an effective penalty taker. Thank you alde.fire him.

But anyways, it has been finally settled that your player needs to have 10 AP, in order to be an effective penalty taker.

Thank you alde.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 02-10-2018 23:50

Total skill balls: 69 He's not going anywhere :pTotal skill balls: 69
He's not going anywhere
:p

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 12-10-2018 12:40

update https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1044012287&tid=1254726 missed penalty (friendly match) 5/9 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 4/7 friendlies)update

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1044012287&tid=1254726

missed penalty (friendly match)

5/9 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 4/7 friendlies)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 12-10-2018 13:51

[Canada]

terrible player, show him the exit.

aldebaran wrote:

missed penalty

terrible player, show him the exit.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By theloyalone - 12-10-2018 19:03

i think YOU are the one who needs to be shown an exit from the Forums [:P] #aexit

aemi wrote:

terrible player, show him the exit.

i think YOU are the one who needs to be shown an exit from the Forums :P

#aexit

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 12-10-2018 22:48

#aemi_for_FA#aemi_for_FA

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 21-10-2018 21:40

Update https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1044439409&tid=1254726 Sucessful penalty (FL match) 6/10 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 1/1 FL, 4/7 friendlies)Update

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1044439409&tid=1254726

Sucessful penalty (FL match)

6/10 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 1/1 FL, 4/7 friendlies)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 21-10-2018 21:49

FL = cup pool (my mistake)FL = cup pool (my mistake)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 06-11-2018 13:26

update https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1044819673&tid=1254726 missed penalty 6/11 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 1/1 cup pool, 4/8 friendlies)update

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&mid=1044819673&tid=1254726

missed penalty

6/11 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 1/1 cup pool, 4/8 friendlies)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 06-11-2018 19:20

[Canada]

Oh my greek, you didnt fire him yet?Oh my greek, you didnt fire him yet?

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 06-11-2018 21:43

he's working overtime for free in order to repay the greek debt! he's not going anywhere!

aemi wrote:

Oh my greek, you didnt fire him yet?

he's working overtime for free in order to repay the greek debt!

he's not going anywhere!

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aemi - 07-11-2018 03:59

[Canada]

pants on fire... greeks don't ever work.. or so said to me another greek friend

aldebaran wrote:

he's working overtime for free in order to repay the greek debt!

he's not going anywhere!

pants on fire... greeks don't ever work.. or so said to me another greek friend

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 08-11-2018 12:09

update https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&type=2d&play=2d&mid=1044874019 successful penalty 7/12 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 1/1 cup pool, 5/9 friendlies)update

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&type=2d&play=2d&mid=1044874019

successful penalty

7/12 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 1/1 cup pool, 5/9 friendlies)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By rubiton111 - 08-11-2018 12:57

[MZ U18]

Anyone got a solid score here overall? Lets remember the original Question... Anyone with a brain bigger than mind can come up with total score or adv? from all being reported? I know is task beyond me.Anyone got a solid score here overall?

Lets remember the original Question...

Anyone with a brain bigger than mind can come up with total score or adv?

from all being reported?

I know is task beyond me.

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 08-11-2018 13:15

58,33% success rate so far58,33% success rate so far

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By rubiton111 - 09-11-2018 01:19

[MZ U18]

Set play or Shooting better? Or 50-50 :)Set play or Shooting better?

Or 50-50 :)

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 09-11-2018 10:11

I can always start training (the penalty taker) in shooting and see if his % rises up significantly...I can always start training (the penalty taker) in shooting and see if his % rises up significantly...

Re: Shooting or Set Plays for penalty's?

By aldebaran - 15-11-2018 12:57

update https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&type=2d&play=2d&mid=1045091236 successful penalty 8/13 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 1/1 cup pool, 6/10 friendlies) 61.53% success rateupdate

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=match&sub=result&type=2d&play=2d&mid=1045091236

successful penalty

8/13 penalties (0/1 league, 1/1 cup, 1/1 cup pool, 6/10 friendlies)

61.53% success rate

 

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