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Coaches for Youths?

By roseto - 11-01-2018 16:19

So, I have 2 coaches for my youths on the field. Is this really needed considering the youths are already training at such a high level? Am I wasting my money? Thoughts? Thanks!So, I have 2 coaches for my youths on the field. Is this really needed considering the youths are already training at such a high level? Am I wasting my money? Thoughts?

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Re: Coaches for Youths?

By evosa - 11-01-2018 17:18

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Nope. It is very important to train youths with coaches. Personally I almost never train youth players without a coach because I think it is kinda pointless to train them without a coach at all. Only exception is when player trains fast but maxes early in important skills but I could still use him in U18Nope. It is very important to train youths with coaches. Personally I almost never train youth players without a coach because I think it is kinda pointless to train them without a coach at all. Only exception is when player trains fast but maxes early in important skills but I could still use him in U18

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By theloyalone - 11-01-2018 18:41

as evosa said, it's exceptionally important to have your youths trained as fast as possible (and that means training them under coaches whenever they're not attending training camps) while they're still young. that will help you in multiple ways - for one, you will be able to have a good squad pretty early on. two, in case you wish to sell, you might do some good knowing that good players who're young sell like hot cakes in the TM, courtesy some managers who're over-enthusiastic about winning the the UXX competitions (and have their complete squads brimming with youngsters). three, in case you're planning to send them to TCs even after their graduation from the Youth Academy (which means you'll no longer be able to send them for free Training Camps), it'll do you some good if you send only the 'worthy' ones (the ones who can go on to become good/great and hence deserve all the money and pampering you are giving them :P). for eg - if you have a player who's trained properly and fast (through proper selection of TCs and good under-coach training), and let's say by the time he's turned 19 he's got skills like 7-7-8-6 in speed-stamina-shooting-ball control (all unmaxed), then you know for sure that this player's worth spending on by sending him to a TC. and so even if he maxes in either one or all of the next immediate skill balls he gains, he'll still be quite a good player to have/sell. on the other hand, if, bcoz of ur poor training methods, your player only reaches something like 5-5-6-5 in the same skills as mentioned above, then spending on him and sending him to the TC might be a risk, since he might max in the next immediate skill ball he trains, and unlike in the previous case, his maxings at such a number of balls will get you literally nothing. and not to mention, he'll still nibbling away at your finances by virtue of his salary. so, had you trained him faster, you'd have realized his maxings much earlier, and hence you would've wisely sacked him before he made a negative impact (however small) on ur finances. Note - there are many managers, unlike me, who're not so miserly/Wengerly and thus do send even their average youths to a paid TC. so it's upto to you how you want to train your youths. and do not forget one thing. no matter what you do, the training rate of a player depends more on him than on how you train him. which is to say, if he's a slow learner, then you're going to have a tough time training him. i'll show you a perfect example to make clear my point. [fpl=201361491] [fpl=201264820] [fpl=202170889] Bandana Mitra and Varinderjeet Dwiwedi - they were both exceptionally fast trainers. in fact, after they graduated from the YA, i didn't send them for a single camp, and yet they've trained so far in so many skills (and still train at a good rate). in fact, had it not been for some early maxings, they'd have been my star players. on the contrary, Bipula Girgla has been a [b][i][u]massive[/u][/i][/b] pain in my..you know better. the bugger simple refuses to train fast, despite me having sent him to a TC when he was 19 (if you're a CM, you'll be unlucky enough to see his pathetic training rate during his TC and even now). so, as i said, what matters more than anything else is a player's own ability to train well. good day.as evosa said, it's exceptionally important to have your youths trained as fast as possible (and that means training them under coaches whenever they're not attending training camps) while they're still young.

that will help you in multiple ways - for one, you will be able to have a good squad pretty early on.

two, in case you wish to sell, you might do some good knowing that good players who're young sell like hot cakes in the TM, courtesy some managers who're over-enthusiastic about winning the the UXX competitions (and have their complete squads brimming with youngsters).

three, in case you're planning to send them to TCs even after their graduation from the Youth Academy (which means you'll no longer be able to send them for free Training Camps), it'll do you some good if you send only the 'worthy' ones (the ones who can go on to become good/great and hence deserve all the money and pampering you are giving them :P).

for eg - if you have a player who's trained properly and fast (through proper selection of TCs and good under-coach training), and let's say by the time he's turned 19 he's got skills like 7-7-8-6 in speed-stamina-shooting-ball control (all unmaxed), then you know for sure that this player's worth spending on by sending him to a TC. and so even if he maxes in either one or all of the next immediate skill balls he gains, he'll still be quite a good player to have/sell.

on the other hand, if, bcoz of ur poor training methods, your player only reaches something like 5-5-6-5 in the same skills as mentioned above, then spending on him and sending him to the TC might be a risk, since he might max in the next immediate skill ball he trains, and unlike in the previous case, his maxings at such a number of balls will get you literally nothing. and not to mention, he'll still nibbling away at your finances by virtue of his salary.

so, had you trained him faster, you'd have realized his maxings much earlier, and hence you would've wisely sacked him before he made a negative impact (however small) on ur finances.

Note - there are many managers, unlike me, who're not so miserly/Wengerly and thus do send even their average youths to a paid TC. so it's upto to you how you want to train your youths.

and do not forget one thing. no matter what you do, the training rate of a player depends more on him than on how you train him. which is to say, if he's a slow learner, then you're going to have a tough time training him. i'll show you a perfect example to make clear my point.

Bandana Mitra

Age: 46 (Retired)

SpeedSp					(6)
StaminaSt					(7)
Play IntelligencePI					(5)
PassingPa					(8)
ShootingSh					(4)
HeadingHe					(9)
KeepingKe					(1)
Ball ControlBC					(6)
TacklingTa					(9)
Aerial PassingAP					(9)
Set PlaysSP					(3)
ExperienceEx					(10)
FormFo					(0)
Total Skill Balls					67

Varinderjeet Dwivedi

Age: 46

Bipula Girgla

Age: 45

Bandana Mitra and Varinderjeet Dwiwedi - they were both exceptionally fast trainers. in fact, after they graduated from the YA, i didn't send them for a single camp, and yet they've trained so far in so many skills (and still train at a good rate). in fact, had it not been for some early maxings, they'd have been my star players.

on the contrary, Bipula Girgla has been a massive pain in my..you know better. the bugger simple refuses to train fast, despite me having sent him to a TC when he was 19 (if you're a CM, you'll be unlucky enough to see his pathetic training rate during his TC and even now).

so, as i said, what matters more than anything else is a player's own ability to train well. good day.

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By evosa - 11-01-2018 19:48

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@theloyalone - Mitra could be worth [u]2-3 millions[/u] if camped. Couple of seasons ago this guy was sold for 3,5 million Euros: [img]http://mzimage.com/image.php?lang=en&design=1:000000:000000:::&player=Koondise%2520M%3fngija:::21::&atts=7m:8m:4u:5m:2:1:3:8m:9m:9m:3:4:9&mzv=false[/img] Depending on skills, don't give up that easily if 1 skill maxes too early. I see good CDM in Mitra! So camp him in passing and ball control and you should get something for him.@theloyalone - Mitra could be worth 2-3 millions if camped. Couple of seasons ago this guy was sold for 3,5 million Euros:



Depending on skills, don't give up that easily if 1 skill maxes too early. I see good CDM in Mitra! So camp him in passing and ball control and you should get something for him.

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By theloyalone - 11-01-2018 21:48

@evosa, bro, i know he'll still setch a good price in the TM despite being maxed at 7 in speed. but the thing is, first of all, i've gotten a 'connection' with him which wont let me sell him (atleast not so soon). secondly, atleast as of now, i've got no interest to concentrate in the UXX competitions. so, i'm fine with him growing slowly. thirdly, the current competition in our country is not so much that i really need to grow my players very quickly. i'd rather save more now so that i can have good finances to grow a good team when it gets all exciting here in our country. so, though your advice is sound and perfect, it's just that in the current circumstances, i'm just concentrating on a 'normal team' rather than a team which will be a tough team to beat. regards :)@evosa, bro, i know he'll still setch a good price in the TM despite being maxed at 7 in speed.

but the thing is, first of all, i've gotten a 'connection' with him which wont let me sell him (atleast not so soon).

secondly, atleast as of now, i've got no interest to concentrate in the UXX competitions. so, i'm fine with him growing slowly.

thirdly, the current competition in our country is not so much that i really need to grow my players very quickly. i'd rather save more now so that i can have good finances to grow a good team when it gets all exciting here in our country.

so, though your advice is sound and perfect, it's just that in the current circumstances, i'm just concentrating on a 'normal team' rather than a team which will be a tough team to beat. regards :)

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By theloyalone - 11-01-2018 21:49

fetch*fetch*

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By evosa - 11-01-2018 22:30

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Will you still keep him if passing/play int. maxes on 5-6 ? [:P] I have that funny feeling that his passing will not go over 6 [:D]Will you still keep him if passing/play int. maxes on 5-6 ?
I have that funny feeling that his passing will not go over 6

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By theloyalone - 12-01-2018 04:22

well, mine's a team based on wingplay, and hence his passing wouldnt matter him much. had he maxed early on in AP, and even had 9-10 in passing, still i'd have sold him. but, he's doen exceptionally well in tackling and AP and so there's no problem atleast as of now. only if he'd had atleast 9-10 stamina, i'd been happier :P as for maxing early in intel, well, that would be really bad :P but then, i forgot to tell you one point yesterday. another reason why i wouldnt sell such players of mine is that we have very very less players in the Indian TM at the moment (there are only 2-3 managers active..out of which only i'm actually 'really active' :P). so, selling Indians would seem like a stupid idea, coz then i'll struggle to fill up my squad again. so, for the profit, i prefer to sell foreign players, especially those without permits. so, while my permit players and Indian players moslty remain on in the team, the ones who're bought without permit (3 allowed) are sold for profit. and in some cases, i do sell the permit guys too if i'm going to be able to sell him well and have got a replacement for him.

evosa wrote:

Will you still keep him if passing/play int. maxes on 5-6 ? :P
I have that funny feeling that his passing will not go over 6 :D

well, mine's a team based on wingplay, and hence his passing wouldnt matter him much. had he maxed early on in AP, and even had 9-10 in passing, still i'd have sold him. but, he's doen exceptionally well in tackling and AP and so there's no problem atleast as of now. only if he'd had atleast 9-10 stamina, i'd been happier :P

as for maxing early in intel, well, that would be really bad :P but then, i forgot to tell you one point yesterday. another reason why i wouldnt sell such players of mine is that we have very very less players in the Indian TM at the moment (there are only 2-3 managers active..out of which only i'm actually 'really active' :P). so, selling Indians would seem like a stupid idea, coz then i'll struggle to fill up my squad again. so, for the profit, i prefer to sell foreign players, especially those without permits. so, while my permit players and Indian players moslty remain on in the team, the ones who're bought without permit (3 allowed) are sold for profit.

and in some cases, i do sell the permit guys too if i'm going to be able to sell him well and have got a replacement for him.

Ant: Coaches for Youths?

By sunhound - 12-01-2018 11:41

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Like theloyalone said above, essentially all depends on maxings and what your focus is on. If you're not so much in the game yet, not really focussing on youth level competitions, etc.. you could get away with having some youths not being coached. If you want to be competitive and produce top level talent, you need to have a coach on a youth at all times unless the player's maxings make him less useful for the next youth tier. Example, I try to be competitive on all levels, so I have kept this player [fpl=203283123] He no longer warrants a TC this season, but will be useful for U18 championships. Due to his maxing in speed, he is no longer in my development plans for my U21 team [fpl=203382488] [fpl=203382487] These 2, barring maxings, will still receive training camps until their maxings no longer merit them to. These 2 will constantly be trained by coaches until they max on their main skills (speed, stamina, ball contol, tackling) and are still in U21 plans. If a player really trains fast, like this one; [fpl=199865467] He may still be useful to keep and develop for a couple of seasons. The judgement depends on the manager.Like theloyalone said above, essentially all depends on maxings and what your focus is on.

If you're not so much in the game yet, not really focussing on youth level competitions, etc.. you could get away with having some youths not being coached.

If you want to be competitive and produce top level talent, you need to have a coach on a youth at all times unless the player's maxings make him less useful for the next youth tier.

Example, I try to be competitive on all levels, so I have kept this player

Enzo Van Lueven

Age: 43

He no longer warrants a TC this season, but will be useful for U18 championships. Due to his maxing in speed, he is no longer in my development plans for my U21 team

Hotz Aus

Age: 43 (Retired)

SpeedSp					(7)
StaminaSt					(6)
Play IntelligencePI					(9)
PassingPa					(6)
ShootingSh					(6)
HeadingHe					(5)
KeepingKe					(2)
Ball ControlBC					(5)
TacklingTa					(8)
Aerial PassingAP					(9)
Set PlaysSP					(1)
ExperienceEx					(10)
FormFo					(9)
Total Skill Balls					64

Thymios Spicer

Age: 43 (Retired)

These 2, barring maxings, will still receive training camps until their maxings no longer merit them to. These 2 will constantly be trained by coaches until they max on their main skills (speed, stamina, ball contol, tackling) and are still in U21 plans.

If a player really trains fast, like this one;

Lucas De Hond

Age: 47 (Retired)

He may still be useful to keep and develop for a couple of seasons. The judgement depends on the manager.

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By theloyalone - 12-01-2018 13:05

@sunhound, true :) @roseto, and after all, as sunhound said, you need to decide for yourself as to what level you want to compete at. there are some guys who're only concerned with national league (your country's league) glory, while others want glory in the UXX competitions, while yet others want glory in other international competitions. so, you gotta first decide what exactly u want and then go about achieving it. for eg, if you know that some months down the line, u'll no longer be able to continue this game actively for some months/years, then you gotta decide now itself as to how you're going to deal with that. for eg, if you know that after 2 seasons u'll not be able to really give time to this game at all, then only build such a team which will ensure that you stay in your country's top team, so that u can get all the revenue benefits without having to maintain a top class team. and then when you'll be back, you'll have tons of cash to shell out on some biggies :P as for starters, just concentrate on first building your stadiums etc. and until u dont enter the Div 1s, dont at all buy really good players (unless u belong to the very active countries). for eg - in India, even by just maintaining an active youth team, you'll still find enough place to stay in my country's top league :P we're that inactive xD. so, in such a case, unless you dont want to win the title, you can even just maintain an active squad and get all the revenue benefits while just having some meager youths who dont even demand any salary lol.@sunhound, true :)

@roseto, and after all, as sunhound said, you need to decide for yourself as to what level you want to compete at. there are some guys who're only concerned with national league (your country's league) glory, while others want glory in the UXX competitions, while yet others want glory in other international competitions.

so, you gotta first decide what exactly u want and then go about achieving it.

for eg, if you know that some months down the line, u'll no longer be able to continue this game actively for some months/years, then you gotta decide now itself as to how you're going to deal with that. for eg, if you know that after 2 seasons u'll not be able to really give time to this game at all, then only build such a team which will ensure that you stay in your country's top team, so that u can get all the revenue benefits without having to maintain a top class team. and then when you'll be back, you'll have tons of cash to shell out on some biggies :P

as for starters, just concentrate on first building your stadiums etc. and until u dont enter the Div 1s, dont at all buy really good players (unless u belong to the very active countries). for eg - in India, even by just maintaining an active youth team, you'll still find enough place to stay in my country's top league :P we're that inactive xD. so, in such a case, unless you dont want to win the title, you can even just maintain an active squad and get all the revenue benefits while just having some meager youths who dont even demand any salary lol.

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By roseto - 12-01-2018 16:42

Much thanks for the responses. I will keep/upgrade the 2 youth coaches I have and add a third and possibly a fourth.Much thanks for the responses. I will keep/upgrade the 2 youth coaches I have and add a third and possibly a fourth.

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By bukankita (RA) - 14-01-2018 07:19

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will the result be the same when I train a youth with 2 balls with a 4-ball coach or with a 7-ball coach? because I've done experiments with training using a coach whose balls are higher but the result is the same, is it true?will the result be the same when I train a youth with 2 balls with a 4-ball coach or with a 7-ball coach?

because I've done experiments with training using a coach whose balls are higher but the result is the same, is it true?

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By evosa - 14-01-2018 10:13

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It has been confirmed along time a go that higher the coach ball count, the more efficent he will be! So using 9-ball coach is allways more effective than 8 ball coach and so on.It has been confirmed along time a go that higher the coach ball count, the more efficent he will be! So using 9-ball coach is allways more effective than 8 ball coach and so on.

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By zorzyior09 - 14-01-2018 11:10

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However experiment results are always welcome. ^^ Neither what the game declares nor what 'experiments' conclude could be really confirmed in safety. Having said that, it's always interesting to know what a fellow manager put himself into. ;)However experiment results are always welcome. ^^
Neither what the game declares nor what 'experiments' conclude could be really confirmed in safety. Having said that, it's always interesting to know what a fellow manager put himself into.
;)

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By tree_amigos - 14-01-2018 23:48

[MZUSA]
President

I currently have 4 youth coaches and can't see bringing in more. I have speed, stamina, ball control and keeping coaches. My first priority is usually speed and stamina unless the player demonstrates prowess at keeping. Then they go straight to keeping until maxed and the other skills can be developed later if they warrant. In terms of quality of coaches, I have 8 or 9 ball coaches for speed, stamina, and keeping as those are all skills where I am looking for maximum gains while the players are still youth. For ball control, I'm using a 6 ball coach as with my focus on the other skills my youth rarely progress beyond 6 in ball control before graduating. I agree with the concept of determining which players are going to be useful later in their careers when sending older youth players to camp. If a player maxes early in speed or stamina, then I am most likely not going to devote resources to sending them to camps.I currently have 4 youth coaches and can't see bringing in more. I have speed, stamina, ball control and keeping coaches. My first priority is usually speed and stamina unless the player demonstrates prowess at keeping. Then they go straight to keeping until maxed and the other skills can be developed later if they warrant.

In terms of quality of coaches, I have 8 or 9 ball coaches for speed, stamina, and keeping as those are all skills where I am looking for maximum gains while the players are still youth. For ball control, I'm using a 6 ball coach as with my focus on the other skills my youth rarely progress beyond 6 in ball control before graduating.

I agree with the concept of determining which players are going to be useful later in their careers when sending older youth players to camp. If a player maxes early in speed or stamina, then I am most likely not going to devote resources to sending them to camps.

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By roseto - 16-01-2018 16:45

Thanks for the insight tree amigos. I like the keeping idea.Thanks for the insight tree amigos. I like the keeping idea.

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By killerbeeez (NC) - 11-06-2018 20:20

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How many number of bars does a youth player have to have training under a coach for training to be seen as being effective and efficient?How many number of bars does a youth player have to have training under a coach for training to be seen as being effective and efficient?

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By aurelrabei - 11-06-2018 21:01

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Since every player is training with a different speed, the number of bars is irrelevant. Also it depends on how many balls the player has on that skill.Since every player is training with a different speed, the number of bars is irrelevant. Also it depends on how many balls the player has on that skill.

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By killerbeeez (NC) - 12-06-2018 12:57

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My coaches are 3 hours late. Is this normal?My coaches are 3 hours late. Is this normal?

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By aldebaran - 12-06-2018 20:27

The max training bars you get to have for a player training in the field, is 6 (unless there's a glitch in the matrix and you get 7 for a couple of days when some youths arrive at your academy) But, like aurelrabei said... How do you define efficiency wwhen it comes to training? If it's only speed you're after, then the number of training bars is all you want. I'd rather have a player that trains for his entire life with only 4 training bars and max on 10@, than have a player that trains like he's on steroids and maxes at 6@

killerbeeez wrote:

How many number of bars does a youth player have to have training under a coach for training to be seen as being effective and efficient?

The max training bars you get to have for a player training in the field, is 6 (unless there's a glitch in the matrix and you get 7 for a couple of days when some youths arrive at your academy)

But, like aurelrabei said...

How do you define efficiency wwhen it comes to training?

If it's only speed you're after, then the number of training bars is all you want.
I'd rather have a player that trains for his entire life with only 4 training bars and max on 10@, than have a player that trains like he's on steroids and maxes at 6@

Re: Coaches for Youths?

By zalitamor - 22-06-2018 02:52

I agree with you

evosa wrote:

Nope. It is very important to train youths with coaches. Personally I almost never train youth players without a coach because I think it is kinda pointless to train them without a coach at all. Only exception is when player trains fast but maxes early in important skills but I could still use him in U18

I agree with you

 

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