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Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 07-12-2017 11:37

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I have come to the conclusion that wingplay is way too wasteful. And if you have played wing tactic for a while you will agree with me that about 60% of counterattacking long passes to the winger go back to the opposition defender. Which to me is just scandalous lol. If CREW can tighten up the coding of the sim so wingers receive more balls for the counter to be more effective then it can boast of being the most dominant passing style.I have come to the conclusion that wingplay is way too wasteful. And if you have played wing tactic for a while you will agree with me that about 60% of counterattacking long passes to the winger go back to the opposition defender. Which to me is just scandalous lol. If CREW can tighten up the coding of the sim so wingers receive more balls for the counter to be more effective then it can boast of being the most dominant passing style.

 

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Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By chucky06 - 07-12-2017 12:11

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It's like every tactic. It all depends what tactic your opponent is playing too. It has it's pro's and con's. Not a superior tactic, plenty of good counters out there nowIt's like every tactic. It all depends what tactic your opponent is playing too. It has it's pro's and con's.

Not a superior tactic, plenty of good counters out there now

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 07-12-2017 15:10

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Yeah. wingplay against 4 back defences is a nightmare.

chucky06 wrote:

It's like every tactic. It all depends what tactic your opponent is playing too. It has it's pro's and con's.

Not a superior tactic, plenty of good counters out there now

Yeah. wingplay against 4 back defences is a nightmare.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By aldebaran - 07-12-2017 15:56

on the other hand, you get a higher goal(s)/shots ratio than the short passing tactic

killerbeeez wrote:

Yeah. wingplay against 4 back defences is a nightmare.

on the other hand, you get a higher goal(s)/shots ratio than the short passing tactic

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By superdad123 - 07-12-2017 19:43

[ENG]

Wing play and pressing is hard to beat.Wing play and pressing is hard to beat.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 07-12-2017 20:15

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Does that solve the wayward passes going to the defenders instead of your winger?

superdad123 wrote:

Wing play and pressing is hard to beat.

Does that solve the wayward passes going to the defenders instead of your winger?

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By aldebaran - 07-12-2017 20:34

killerbeeez, try to set up your wingplay tactic differently what you asking is the SIM to behave like it did in the previous version not having every pass go directly to the winger (when you're using wings passing style) is a step forward wings used to be very OP, so much that you could have your team play better even if you didn't have a winger (position) in your tactic. I used to get pretty good results with a short passing formation with "wings" passing style back in the "wings domination" erakillerbeeez, try to set up your wingplay tactic differently

what you asking is the SIM to behave like it did in the previous version

not having every pass go directly to the winger (when you're using wings passing style) is a step forward

wings used to be very OP, so much that you could have your team play better even if you didn't have a winger (position) in your tactic.

I used to get pretty good results with a short passing formation with "wings" passing style back in the "wings domination" era

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 07-12-2017 20:42

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So you do acknowledge that the passing style is not as dominant anymore because after taking a long break and coming back I thought it was what I was used to back in the day. Didn't know there were deliberate steps taken to weaken wings. Now that's just sad lol. I'm playing short passing. When wingers start receiving more balls then it would make sense because what's the sense in play wing tactic when your team literacy gives more chances to the opposition to create goal scoring chances and attack your team? I lost one game to a team I beat earlier in season by 5-2 just because his defensive midfielders were spoon-fed passes coming from my defenders which they then used over and over again in creating chances.So you do acknowledge that the passing style is not as dominant anymore because after taking a long break and coming back I thought it was what I was used to back in the day. Didn't know there were deliberate steps taken to weaken wings. Now that's just sad lol. I'm playing short passing. When wingers start receiving more balls then it would make sense because what's the sense in play wing tactic when your team literacy gives more chances to the opposition to create goal scoring chances and attack your team? I lost one game to a team I beat earlier in season by 5-2 just because his defensive midfielders were spoon-fed passes coming from my defenders which they then used over and over again in creating chances.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By dowopado - 07-12-2017 20:50

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"wayward passes going to the defenders" is an issue for all managers using the wing tactic. I don't know if it is the defender has skills that attract these passes...or if it is bad passes by the passer due to his AP skill set...or if it is just a random generated thing by the sim. It varies from game to game, even against the same opponent and same players. However, I don't think it hinders the over all superiority of the wing play over a span of time.

killerbeeez wrote:

Does that solve the wayward passes going to the defenders instead of your winger?

"wayward passes going to the defenders" is an issue for all managers using the wing tactic. I don't know if it is the defender has skills that attract these passes...or if it is bad passes by the passer due to his AP skill set...or if it is just a random generated thing by the sim. It varies from game to game, even against the same opponent and same players. However, I don't think it hinders the over all superiority of the wing play over a span of time.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 07-12-2017 21:00

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LOL are skills that attract these passes. You might be on to something there. That could be the explanation. Of course once the ball reaches the winger and he runs and decides not to pass back to your keeper but cross into the box wingplay can be very effective but against a well set up short passing team you'll suffer if your winger isn't fed. Because in the time that you would get one cross in the short passing team has tested your keeper 5 times already. I also thought wingplay was as deadly as it was some seasons back when I used it to wing an international cup but these wayward passes have killed it for me. It's just too wasteful.

dowopado wrote:

"wayward passes going to the defenders" is an issue for all managers using the wing tactic. I don't know if it is the defender has skills that attract these passes...or if it is bad passes by the passer due to his AP skill set...or if it is just a random generated thing by the sim. It varies from game to game, even against the same opponent and same players. However, I don't think it hinders the over all superiority of the wing play over a span of time.

LOL are skills that attract these passes. You might be on to something there. That could be the explanation. Of course once the ball reaches the winger and he runs and decides not to pass back to your keeper but cross into the box wingplay can be very effective but against a well set up short passing team you'll suffer if your winger isn't fed. Because in the time that you would get one cross in the short passing team has tested your keeper 5 times already. I also thought wingplay was as deadly as it was some seasons back when I used it to wing an international cup but these wayward passes have killed it for me. It's just too wasteful.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By dowopado - 07-12-2017 21:18

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Back when the current sim was being tested Crew was trying to create some balance between wing play and short passing play. First they were trying to reduce the effectiveness of aerial passes to the winger but it created a problem with the keeper doing goal kicks. So, they focused more on making defenders more effective in marking wingers and defending the aerial passes to the winger. End result was the superiority of wing play was reduced somewhat but not to the point that with the right players and formations the wing play could still be the dominant tactic.Back when the current sim was being tested Crew was trying to create some balance between wing play and short passing play. First they were trying to reduce the effectiveness of aerial passes to the winger but it created a problem with the keeper doing goal kicks. So, they focused more on making defenders more effective in marking wingers and defending the aerial passes to the winger.

End result was the superiority of wing play was reduced somewhat but not to the point that with the right players and formations the wing play could still be the dominant tactic.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 07-12-2017 21:45

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When I make $20million pure cash then I can buy a team with a 9 AP average so I can play wings again because I'm a huge fan of counter attacking football but not in its current form and not with my current squad.

dowopado wrote:

Back when the current sim was being tested Crew was trying to create some balance between wing play and short passing play. First they were trying to reduce the effectiveness of aerial passes to the winger but it created a problem with the keeper doing goal kicks. So, they focused more on making defenders more effective in marking wingers and defending the aerial passes to the winger.

End result was the superiority of wing play was reduced somewhat but not to the point that with the right players and formations the wing play could still be the dominant tactic.

When I make $20million pure cash then I can buy a team with a 9 AP average so I can play wings again because I'm a huge fan of counter attacking football but not in its current form and not with my current squad.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By superdad123 - 08-12-2017 15:47

[ENG]

Playing a high line defence with a compact midfield helps when using wing play.I use the pressing tactic as this means your midfield wins the ball often and only has a short distance to pass to your winger.Playing a high line defence with a compact midfield helps when using wing play.I use the pressing tactic as this means your midfield wins the ball often and only has a short distance to pass to your winger.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 08-12-2017 17:10

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How do you counter teams with ultra speedy strikers then because I find that when playing a high line that's something you risk? Too many one on ones with one's keeper

superdad123 wrote:

Playing a high line defence with a compact midfield helps when using wing play.I use the pressing tactic as this means your midfield wins the ball often and only has a short distance to pass to your winger.

How do you counter teams with ultra speedy strikers then because I find that when playing a high line that's something you risk? Too many one on ones with one's keeper

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By superdad123 - 08-12-2017 21:47

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Play with an intelligent defender in the centre.Play with an intelligent defender in the centre.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 08-12-2017 21:56

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Ha. That simple huh. And what's the minimum of intelligence you'll tolerate?

superdad123 wrote:

Play with an intelligent defender in the centre.

Ha. That simple huh. And what's the minimum of intelligence you'll tolerate?

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By superdad123 - 09-12-2017 01:08

[ENG]

My central defender is an England international with 10 exp and 9 Intell.My central defender is an England international with 10 exp and 9 Intell.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 09-12-2017 09:08

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Well...:-) Not all of us can afford a player like that. But thanks for the tip

superdad123 wrote:

My central defender is an England international with 10 exp and 9 Intell.

Well...:-) Not all of us can afford a player like that. But thanks for the tip

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By evosa - 09-12-2017 10:17

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That is the point in some cases to push forward 1vs1 with keeper! Why? When defender in lower defensive line fails to tackle striker than he will be 1vs1 with keeper anyway. When defender fails to tackle in high defensive line striker has longer distance towards goal and that could sometimes give advantage to keeper(especially when striker is not subbed and tires towards end of match)! on the otherhand..sometimes opponent could completly destroy you! [:O]

killerbeeez wrote:

How do you counter teams with ultra speedy strikers then because I find that when playing a high line that's something you risk? Too many one on ones with one's keeper

That is the point in some cases to push forward 1vs1 with keeper! Why? When defender in lower defensive line fails to tackle striker than he will be 1vs1 with keeper anyway. When defender fails to tackle in high defensive line striker has longer distance towards goal and that could sometimes give advantage to keeper(especially when striker is not subbed and tires towards end of match)! on the otherhand..sometimes opponent could completly destroy you!

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 09-12-2017 22:08

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lol very true. I played with a high line a couple of times and strikers just kept rounding my keeper and finishing like Ronaldo.

evosa wrote:

That is the point in some cases to push forward 1vs1 with keeper! Why? When defender in lower defensive line fails to tackle striker than he will be 1vs1 with keeper anyway. When defender fails to tackle in high defensive line striker has longer distance towards goal and that could sometimes give advantage to keeper(especially when striker is not subbed and tires towards end of match)! on the otherhand..sometimes opponent could completly destroy you!

lol very true. I played with a high line a couple of times and strikers just kept rounding my keeper and finishing like Ronaldo.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 12-12-2017 23:41

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I have noticed that these days if I play narrow tactic against the wing so 3-2-1 piramid sometimes it's better than a regular 4-4-2 against the wing. I don't know why is that, in previous sim I remember when you didn't pay attention to your opponent and you have played narrow in def. against the wing it was a demolishing lose, now even with narrow def. you still have a great chance to win.I have noticed that these days if I play narrow tactic against the wing so 3-2-1 piramid sometimes it's better than a regular 4-4-2 against the wing. I don't know why is that, in previous sim I remember when you didn't pay attention to your opponent and you have played narrow in def. against the wing it was a demolishing lose, now even with narrow def. you still have a great chance to win.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 13-12-2017 06:58

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Yeah I noticed that too. The sim now plays one defender out of position to mark the winger. Even during goal kicks

lukaszsz182 wrote:

I have noticed that these days if I play narrow tactic against the wing so 3-2-1 piramid sometimes it's better than a regular 4-4-2 against the wing. I don't know why is that, in previous sim I remember when you didn't pay attention to your opponent and you have played narrow in def. against the wing it was a demolishing lose, now even with narrow def. you still have a great chance to win.

Yeah I noticed that too. The sim now plays one defender out of position to mark the winger. Even during goal kicks

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By youthood - 19-04-2019 21:06

PLAYERS TIRE???????????????? how do I prevent them from tiring and losing form??? (only started playing today)

evosa wrote:

(especially when striker is not subbed and tires towards end of match)! on the otherhand..sometimes opponent could completly destroy you! :O

PLAYERS TIRE???????????????? how do I prevent them from tiring and losing form??? (only started playing today)

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By killerbeeez (NC) - 20-04-2019 11:39

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Read the manual and ask questions in the "Questions" section of the forum. This game is a game of patience. If you're not willing to commit years to it then it's not for you.Read the manual and ask questions in the "Questions" section of the forum. This game is a game of patience. If you're not willing to commit years to it then it's not for you.

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By hypnosis - 16-05-2019 01:58

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I agree

chucky06 wrote:

It's like every tactic. It all depends what tactic your opponent is playing too. It has it's pro's and con's.

Not a superior tactic, plenty of good counters out there now

I agree

Re: Wing Play is NOT superior :-/

By hypnosis - 16-05-2019 02:00

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evosa wrote:

That is the point in some cases to push forward 1vs1 with keeper! Why? When defender in lower defensive line fails to tackle striker than he will be 1vs1 with keeper anyway. When defender fails to tackle in high defensive line striker has longer distance towards goal and that could sometimes give advantage to keeper(especially when striker is not subbed and tires towards end of match)! on the otherhand..sometimes opponent could completly destroy you! :O

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