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importance of experience
By happy-guy - 08-11-2017 00:49
How important is it that my 16 year old gets playing time every weekly in friendlies
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Re: importance of experience
By theloyalone - 08-11-2017 02:07
i guess i'd told you that before :P anyway i'll repeat it for your convenience.
i'd previously told you how important Experience is (even more impo than form). so, the faster you reach that 9th/10th ball in Exp, the better that is for ur player and team too.
hence, always make your youths play as many matches as possible and also try and keep them on the bench in the matches where they arent good enough (that is, if u dont have a lot of subs to do...and also, dont do that for impo matches...u dont want a 16 yr old youth coming on and messing the game for u in a Seniors' final or something like that :P) to be a part of the starting 11.
this is coz the form 'influence' over both starting 11 and subs is exactly the same (even if u dont play the sub). hence, that's a very good way of increasing ur youths' Exp, and this method will give you a 9/10 exp for your player by the time he's only 24/25.
the only drawback here is that playing excessive matches will make your youths overplayed (in form), but that too can be solved - i'm not aware if you know this or not, but all matches dont influence form (https://www.managerzone.com/?p=manual_faq&cat_id=1361...read that).
so, apart from making your youths play in 4 friendlies per week (and the 2 league games per week...but that's risky if you're playing in a competitive league), try and make your player participate more in official cups,friendly leagues and Prized/Friendly cups, since playing a ton of these will only result in his experience increasing with form remaining unaffected.
i hope that solves your query now :)
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Re: importance of experience
By theloyalone - 08-11-2017 02:10
link got mixed up with '...read' :P
here it is again - https://www.managerzone.com/?p=manual_faq&cat_id=1361
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Re: importance of experience
By ko268 - 08-11-2017 02:27
Not the original poster, but a relevant question - say I have two youth keepers, one 2@ lower in keeping than the other. The one with the lower keeping will never play for the U18 team since the other keeper is better (let's assume that the 'good' youth keeper has already gone to and come back from TC this season). He will be on the bench, in the substitute keeper slot which never gets used since keepers don't get injured in MZ.
Is there any harm in placing the 'bad' youth keeper in the substitute keeper slot in the first team as well to gain experience, apart from said keeper going down to 0 form? For example, will the sim factor his 0 form into some overall-team-form-thing, making the entire senior team perform worse?
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Re: importance of experience
By theloyalone - 08-11-2017 02:38
ko268 wrote:Is there any harm in placing the 'bad' youth keeper in the substitute keeper slot in the first team as well to gain experience
when you say 'first team' here, you're talking about a Seniors first team right ? if that's what you meant, then i think it wont affect the game as long as that keeper of yours doesnt get onto the field (which is anyway not happening). but as i said, that's my opinion. tho i'll give you a 99% guarantee on that, we will have to wait for the other 1% to come from a more experienced/seasoned manager :)
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Re: importance of experience
By aldebaran - 08-11-2017 11:09
I'm not sure, but I think FL games don't give any XP to the players
I'm 99.99% sure though, that whatever the substitute player is like, he doesn't affect the overall performance of those playing on the pitch
(ie there are teams that only field 1-2 subs or none at all, yet they end up winning matches against teams of similar quality with a full bench)
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Re: importance of experience
By aurelrabei - 08-11-2017 11:30
The answer to this question, and many more, we can find in MZ Bible.
However, it is in greek language and we try to find some nice guys to translate us at least some of it.
It has 250 pages, so not easy job. There are translated only 11 pages:D
Every detail is explained beautifully, except the major updates of the last few years.
Let's hope we can read it some day H
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Re: importance of experience
By civilu - 08-11-2017 11:46
MZ Myth no. 48:
When calculating overall balls of the team, split between the 4 regions of the pitch (goalkeeper, defence, midfield and attack) the game calculates all players in that position, including subs on the relevant spot on the bench (the last sub is considered midfield, they say).
MZ Fact no. 25:
Experience is gained in all friendlies. So play your prospects as much as possible, to have them at 7 exp. by the time they are 23.
FL games only count for form - the effect is only positive and never negative.
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Re: importance of experience
By theloyalone - 08-11-2017 12:30
aurelrabei wrote:The answer to this question, and many more, we can find in MZ Bible.
However, it is in greek language and we try to find some nice guys to translate us at least some of it.
It has 250 pages, so not easy job. There are translated only 11 pages:D
Every detail is explained beautifully, except the major updates of the last few years.
Let's hope we can read it some day H
@aldebaran mate, you've got a job :D now get working ! :P
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Re: importance of experience
By bestplaymaker2134 - 08-11-2017 12:43
civilu wrote:MZ Myth no. 48:
When calculating overall balls of the team, split between the 4 regions of the pitch (goalkeeper, defence, midfield and attack) the game calculates all players in that position, including subs on the relevant spot on the bench (the last sub is considered midfield, they say).
What the hell is this? Please explain.
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Re: importance of experience
By theloyalone - 08-11-2017 13:09
bestplaymaker2134 wrote:What the hell is this? Please explain.
i guess he meant what matters is your players in the individual positions (the positions being GK,Defense,Mid and Forwards). so, maybe they calculate the overall balls in each position and then the avg of each position is added and that makes up the 'total overall skill balls' with reference to which the SIM carries out its 'work' .ofc im not saying the SIM only refers to those overall balls...but from what i understood, the 'overall balls' aspect is calculated that way.
am i right civilu ?
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Re: importance of experience
By aldebaran - 08-11-2017 14:34
bestplaymaker2134 wrote:What the hell is this? Please explain.
MZ myth
Vs
MZ fact
ie. don't pay attention to myths
like this one
MZ myth no27
The average form of your team affects your overall pitch performance
(I think that was way back when there was an option to scout your opponent and get some info about his form or something similar...then again I might be imagining things or thinking about another game) :P
theloyalone wrote:@aldebaran mate, you've got a job :D now get working ! :P
I retired from the xA business eons ago...
now I'm in the trolling business...
btw where the heck is aemi?
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Re: importance of experience
By civilu - 08-11-2017 14:55
theloyalone wrote:i guess he meant what matters is your players in the individual positions (the positions being GK,Defense,Mid and Forwards). so, maybe they calculate the overall balls in each position and then the avg of each position is added and that makes up the 'total overall skill balls' with reference to which the SIM carries out its 'work' .ofc im not saying the SIM only refers to those overall balls...but from what i understood, the 'overall balls' aspect is calculated that way.
am i right civilu ?
Yeap, pretty much. This is why strong managers believe players are better with more balls, even if for skills which don't matter for the specific position. This is why many believe a player with less balls on a specific set of skills (let's say 9898, speed stamina shoot ball c.) performs better than a superior player (98109, in the example given) if he has more balls in tack or cross or whatever. I'm not talking about intel and exp, those are boost skills.
aldebaran wrote:btw where the heck is aemi?
No one knows, he just vanished. Eaten by a moose or something...
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Re: importance of experience
By theloyalone - 08-11-2017 18:05
aldebaran wrote:I retired from the xA business eons ago...
now I'm in the trolling business...
btw where the heck is aemi?
he got trolled so bad some time back that he's taken refuge in a kangaroo's pouch. the Aussies would know better :P
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Re: importance of experience
By aldebaran - 08-11-2017 19:08
should we issue an APB for him?
I don't think I'm doing a good job at trying to replace him
I don't even have a problem with kangaroos :P
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Re: importance of experience
By happy-guy - 08-11-2017 22:40
so riendlys wont matter in regards to experience? which games do matter?
Leauge and official league/cup ? World league?
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Re: importance of experience
By scruttino - 09-11-2017 00:06
I always play my youths in friendlies and prioritize young seniors with potential as bench players in my senior squad. Just to get them as much experience as possible
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Re: importance of experience
By dowopado - 09-11-2017 05:59
happy-guy wrote:so riendlys wont matter in regards to experience? which games do matter?
Leauge and official league/cup ? World league?
Although it increases over a longer term than Form, Experience is also affected by the number of games a player takes part in as well as his age. On top of maximising a player's other attributes, it ensures a player is more comfortable on the pitch and less likely to make mistakes.
Above is a quote from the manual. All matches will count toward experience. Gaining experience is based on the number of matches played...the exact number I do not know but it is in the 100's with a greater number required for each additional ball...plus just getting older is a factor but I have no clue how that factors in because the max is 10 @s.
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Re: importance of experience
By pahandus06 - 09-11-2017 11:14
civilu wrote:MZ Myth no. 48:
When calculating overall balls of the team, split between the 4 regions of the pitch (goalkeeper, defence, midfield and attack) the game calculates all players in that position, including subs on the relevant spot on the bench (the last sub is considered midfield, they say).
Goalkeepers usually have much less balls than outfield players but still everyone plays 10 keeping players at goal. If only the amount of balls counts then you would win a lot by playing an outfield player at goal?
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Re: importance of experience
By pahandus06 - 09-11-2017 11:15
pahandus06 wrote:civilu wrote:MZ Myth no. 48:
When calculating overall balls of the team, split between the 4 regions of the pitch (goalkeeper, defence, midfield and attack) the game calculates all players in that position, including subs on the relevant spot on the bench (the last sub is considered midfield, they say).
Goalkeepers usually have much less balls than outfield players but still everyone plays 10 keeping players at goal. If only the amount of balls counts then you would win a lot by playing an outfield player at goal?
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Re: importance of experience
By pahandus06 - 09-11-2017 11:16
civilu wrote:MZ Myth no. 48:
When calculating overall balls of the team, split between the 4 regions of the pitch (goalkeeper, defence, midfield and attack) the game calculates all players in that position, including subs on the relevant spot on the bench (the last sub is considered midfield, they say).
Goalkeepers usually have much less balls than outfield players but still everyone plays 10 keeping players at goal. If only the amount of balls counts then you would win a lot by playing an outfield player at goal?
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Re: importance of experience
By civilu - 09-11-2017 12:07
happy-guy wrote:so riendlys wont matter in regards to experience? which games do matter? Leauge and official league/cup ? World league?
All games matter but friendlies and league and cups matter most. FLs, FCs, WL have a lot less impact (it takes more of those games - I don't kno an exact number - to gain an experience ball than the main matches). Hope this clarifies it!
pahandus06 wrote:Goalkeepers usually have much less balls than outfield players but still everyone plays 10 keeping players at goal. If only the amount of balls counts then you would win a lot by playing an outfield player at goal?
The same rule/myth applies for all positions on the pitch. However, since for keepers it's crucial to have 10 keeping and a lot of pi, it might not be so beneficial to have on the sub position an outfield player but with minimum keeping (2-3 balls) as this damages the scoring for the keeping skill.
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Re: importance of experience
By civilu - 09-11-2017 12:07
PS: When I mentioned cups I meant official cups.
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Ri: importance of experience
By yokupoku (RA) - 09-11-2017 14:56
mz absurdity 1
send a youth to the YTC: will not gain experience
mz absurdity 2
play for the national team: will not gain experience
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Re: importance of experience
By azkaban-za - 13-11-2017 03:37
theloyalone wrote:i guess i'd told you that before :P anyway i'll repeat it for your convenience.
i'd previously told you how important Experience is (even more impo than form). so, the faster you reach that 9th/10th ball in Exp, the better that is for ur player and team too.
hence, always make your youths play as many matches as possible and also try and keep them on the bench in the matches where they arent good enough (that is, if u dont have a lot of subs to do...and also, dont do that for impo matches...u dont want a 16 yr old youth coming on and messing the game for u in a Seniors' final or something like that :P) to be a part of the starting 11.
this is coz the form 'influence' over both starting 11 and subs is exactly the same (even if u dont play the sub). hence, that's a very good way of increasing ur youths' Exp, and this method will give you a 9/10 exp for your player by the time he's only 24/25.
the only drawback here is that playing excessive matches will make your youths overplayed (in form), but that too can be solved - i'm not aware if you know this or not, but all matches dont influence form (https://www.managerzone.com/?p=manual_faq&cat_id=1361...read that).
so, apart from making your youths play in 4 friendlies per week (and the 2 league games per week...but that's risky if you're playing in a competitive league), try and make your player participate more in official cups,friendly leagues and Prized/Friendly cups, since playing a ton of these will only result in his experience increasing with form remaining unaffected.
i hope that solves your query now :)
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