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Major update to Friendlies!

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Please use this thread to express any of your questions, concerns, problems or issues regarding this update. This is for Crew to make possible fixes to the ongoing update based on your input if possible.

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Show Julian calendar dates. Not sure what the numbers (in calendar view) mean, but it's quite confusing.

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oops, perhaps I meant Gregorian calendar...anyhow, you know what I mean...Show October 20 instead of some number that doesn't appear to represent anything.

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Did this update mess up form??? My starting players all lost 1-2 form balls...

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i booked doubles for every day for the upcoming week but now it seems some have been split over 2 days.

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also it seems some booked friendlies are missing entirely:S

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lam wrote:
Did this update mess up form??? My starting players all lost 1-2 form balls...


I don't think so....I will see if it had any effect on my starting players tomorrow...before I say for certain. I can say most of the changes are visual and ease of setting up friendlies going forward from today, and shouldn't have any affect on form unless friendlies were not adjusted with the start of league games last week.

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The only thing I can think of was because there was no league games for 2 weeks... But my team plays in Official Cups (which only affect form +) but I also did play playoff games. I don't play friendlies with my starters so I wouldn't have gone over the 6 form games... I haven't changed my formula since the dawn of time lol! Please verify and let me know. Thanks!

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oops, perhaps I meant Gregorian calendar...anyhow, you know what I mean...Show October 20 instead of some number that doesn't appear to represent anything.


The number represents the day of the current season in MZ (ie today is the 7th, hence the number 7 on today's friendlies)

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sadragon29 wrote:
i booked doubles for every day for the upcoming week but now it seems some have been split over 2 days.


This is because it reflects which day the friendly is counted by MZ due to the time zone differences.



sadragon29 wrote:
also it seems some booked friendlies are missing entirely:S


Mine too. Because I had a second match of a friendly played on a Sunday. This match doesn't show anywhere on the visual...Wednesday and Sundays...I have questioned this with Crew in the admin forum.

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Hello.
First of all, I don't feel this update to be "easier" and just "visual". Days should be in the Gregorian Calendar instead of in MZ Calendar. This seems to be quite confusing.
Despite this, the main problem comes with the "days". Today, day 8 on MZ Calendar, and still 16/10/2017 on -3GMT, I already arranged a couple of friendlies. But, with this new update, tommorrow, day 9 on MZ Calendar, and 17/10/2017 (TUESDAY), it doesn't let me arrange friendlies, because a Pop-Up shows telling that there is a League Match that day, disallowing the possibility of arranging a friendly. The funny part is that, as we all know, League days are Wednesday and Sunday, and this new update avoids me of arranging a friendly on 17/10/2017 (TUESDAY, non-league day) and allows me to arrange a friendly on 18/10/2017, which is WEDNESDAY. I'm leaving a few prints of my screen in order to explain myself a bit better.




Personally, I believe that the only thing that should have been updated about friendlies were:
- Sending doubles with just one click (Possible with this new update, I know, but would be better with the old visual and just a button allowing to send a double friendly)
- As you can "Reject All" the friendlies that you received just clicking on a tickbox, it would be nice to have the same tickbox, but to "Accept all".
Finally, I think that this new "visual update" just messes up and makes more complex something that was very simple, and just needed a few minor changes to be great. As I said, this last paragraph is my personal opinion. Thanks.

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@alellera,,,day 8 is Oct. 17th...day 9 is Oct. 18th which is league day Wednesday.

I agree it is a bit confusing and many users have already expressed their concern to use calendar dates and not MZ days. Also, keep in mind this is a work in progress that may see many fixes and improvements once all concerns have been collected, and maybe some will be fixed shortly after report.

Thanks for reporting your concerns.

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What is confusing for the users is that the MZ week starts with Tuesday.
Season starts on Tuesday, week form starts on Tuesday, therefore it is normal that friendly week to start on Tuesday.

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As long as you still need to play only 2 home and away friendlies a week to maintain form the rest is cosmetic

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Yes scruttino, if you have only one team, but most users has also youths that needs 3 doubles to maintain form and increase experience, unless they play in Uxx league.

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Good work crew :)

Could we have an option to arrange friendlies for an extended time period in the next update?

It would be great for everyone who has to go mobile for a month or so and has a "bad" mobile provider and can't find an open wi-fi location.

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[WCE]
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Thumbs up! Great work! :)
This will for sure make more people stay, as it was a real hassle coordinating friendlies and form.

Regarding the "MZ day", perhaps instead of just a number, it should say "Day 8"? Add which day it is also.

For example: "Day 8 - Tuesday".

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aurelrabei wrote:
Yes scruttino, if you have only one team, but most users has also youths that needs 3 doubles to maintain form and increase experience, unless they play in Uxx league.


My seniors maintain form fine through general league, world league and cup play. They don't need to play friendlies to maintain form.

I use friendlies to gain form for my youths or anyone else who needs it.

If you are running 3-4 teams you'd need more but other than when rebuilding and have surplus players 2 was more than enough.

I never found the running 3-4 teams cost effective. So I downsized to a senior team and youth team

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Great upgrade :)

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hanzinho wrote:
Thumbs up! Great work! :)
This will for sure make more people stay, as it was a real hassle coordinating friendlies and form.

Regarding the "MZ day", perhaps instead of just a number, it should say "Day 8"? Add which day it is also.

For example: "Day 8 - Tuesday".


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My first impression of the new "friendly-tool":

Why no real date, who thinks in mz-seasons and game-days? I think that was a mistake and should be changed or can anybody tell me the benefit of this, beside it´s confusing if You´re not used to it?

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I also think there should be an option for real-world calendar date, even if it doesn't align perfectly with the MZ calendar. Still, no doubt this is an improvement

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the calendar sucks , and it should have been blatantly obvious that it would be confusing , after staring at it for 20 minutes the penny dropped , well you know what , I don't have the time to screw about like that , do you seriously think that new users drop into the site and grasp at stuff like the dumb calendar, and get turned on by it, and hang around , making people stay in the game, ok , enticing new users , have a little think about it ..

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Click on any username and select "Invite to Friendly" on the profile screen and you get an infinite loading screen every time:

https://imgur.com/a/ZI4kX

If you click "Club" -> "Challenge / Scout" it works just fine.

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It does not work for me a poor update. Its STUCK ON A CIRCLE LOADING. so annoying. how am i supposed to make $$$, any fixes?

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Ya i'm trying to send you friendlies HAPPY-GUY and it's just circling... Broken!

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wow ridiculous :) Eh

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I cant arrange friendlies !!!!

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the same problem in Poland.

Major FAILURE to Friendlies!

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[TSKLT]
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same as in Turkiye.

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Hi from Germany, my community i think we have the same problem.

If you can not solve this problem what will happend with the player and their form. No Friendly = No Form No Form?

Thank you for your support.

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Thank you for the report, we will investigate in the matter and let you guys know as soon as we know more about the problem.

Thanks,
Robert

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broken

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We have found the problem and have released a fix for it. Please let us know if you still experience any problem with the feature.

Regards,
Robert

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works for me now

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Friendly challenges are not working, again!
Says my opponent (ANY opponent) „can not book any more matches on this day.”

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sixtyniner wrote:
Friendly challenges are not working, again!
Says my opponent (ANY opponent) „can not book any more matches on this day.”


We are investigating in the problem right now, currently you are not able to book any matches on Monday (Day 21).

We let you know when we know more.

Regards,
Robert

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Go back to the old system, all you have to add is the possibility of sending double challenges to be accepted or rejected together.

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aikaik wrote:
We are investigating in the problem right now, currently you are not able to book any matches on Monday (Day 21).

We let you know when we know more.

Regards,
Robert


We have now released a fix for the problem earlier, and friendlies can now be sent on Day 21 again.

Sorry for the inconvenience!

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elresorte wrote:
Go back to the old system, all you have to add is the possibility of sending double challenges to be accepted or rejected together.


We would never go through with such a major update of friendlies if we did not believe that it was for the best in the long run.

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aikaik wrote:
We would never go through with such a major update of friendlies if we did not believe that it was for the best in the long run.



Are you serious?

YOU believe, not us, this is the worst update ever, who cares about or cares about the week in which the friendly games are played?
Who cares what MZ day those friendly games are played? With a normal calendar is enough to know what days we play friendlies.
But ok, most of the times you do what you want and not what we expect you should do, thanks for being so kind.

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elresorte wrote:
Are you serious?

YOU believe, not us, this is the worst update ever, who cares about or cares about the week in which the friendly games are played?
Who cares what MZ day those friendly games are played? With a normal calendar is enough to know what days we play friendlies.
But ok, most of the times you do what you want and not what we expect you should do, thanks for being so kind.


One of the main reasons for the layout is to:

*Improve the overview of your friendlies
It is especially helpful to get an overview of your friendlies to see what match belong to what day, in regards to the form of your players (a crucial part of ManagerZone). As it was before, it was very diffuse and not clear about which match belonged to which for week, and this was especially hard for new users who came in, not knowing how their friendlies affected the form of their players, but also for experienced users. Our goal is to further simplify by making additional updates that will help you as a manager to get a better understanding of how different matches (including friendlies) influences the form. The recent form update was one step towards that goal. More updates will come.

Of course, we are always open to receive suggestions on how we can improve and make changes even more appealing for the users, and sometimes it's difficult to understand all the consequences of a certain update. That is why we go in with an open-minded attitude when we listen to what users think about certain updates. However, I do not feel that your way of expressing your feelings about the update can help us improve the friendlies page at all, since the lack of actual suggestions of improvements and instead pure complaints.

Instead try to explain how we can improve the updated friendlies page and perhaps we can make some adjustments that might be beneficial for all users. Of course, we both now that having it as it was earlier is no solution that would be beneficial or a good decision, for several reasons.

Best regards,
Robert

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aikaik wrote:
One of the main reasons for the layout is to:

*Improve the overview of your friendlies
It is especially helpful to get an overview of your friendlies to see what match belong to what day, in regards to the form of your players (a crucial part of ManagerZone). As it was before, it was very diffuse and not clear about which match belonged to which for week, and this was especially hard for new users who came in, not knowing how their friendlies affected the form of their players, but also for experienced users. Our goal is to further simplify by making additional updates that will help you as a manager to get a better understanding of how different matches (including friendlies) influences the form. The recent form update was one step towards that goal. More updates will come.

Of course, we are always open to receive suggestions on how we can improve and make changes even more appealing for the users, and sometimes it's difficult to understand all the consequences of a certain update. That is why we go in with an open-minded attitude when we listen to what users think about certain updates. However, I do not feel that your way of expressing your feelings about the update can help us improve the friendlies page at all, since the lack of actual suggestions of improvements and instead pure complaints.

Instead try to explain how we can improve the updated friendlies page and perhaps we can make some adjustments that might be beneficial for all users. Of course, we both now that having it as it was earlier is no solution that would be beneficial or a good decision, for several reasons.

Best regards,
Robert



Just explaining to new users that the day begins at 00:00 CET and that they have to adjust the time to the time zone of their own country, I think that is enough. Everyone in Argentina knows that Tuesday MZ begins at 19:00 on Monday, it is not so difficult to understand.
By adding it in the tutorial new users would have the necessary information to not make mistakes.
Since playing MZ, 10 years ago, it is perfectly clear that the week of form begins on Monday at 7:00 p.m. or 20:00 p.m. in Argentina depending on the European winter or summer time and ends on the Monday following the 18:59:59 hs and that within that space of time I have to maintain or improve the form of my team.
I never had problems to control the amount of friendly played or to play to maintain the form and/or to improve it.
It is not so difficult, it is reviewed in disputed matches and/or in subsequent matches.

You take my previous post as a complaint and it is not wrong, it is a complaint because besides being a user I am a customer that every month brings money to the game and as a client I have that right, which I exercise with a lot of respect.
Having said that, I suggest that you do the update in such a way that it can be easily understood, as it is very confusing and I am not the only user who thinks so.

Regards,

Juan

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elresorte wrote:
Just explaining to new users that the day begins at 00:00 CET and that they have to adjust the time to the time zone of their own country, I think that is enough. Everyone in Argentina knows that Tuesday MZ begins at 19:00 on Monday, it is not so difficult to understand.
By adding it in the tutorial new users would have the necessary information to not make mistakes.
Since playing MZ, 10 years ago, it is perfectly clear that the week of form begins on Monday at 7:00 p.m. or 20:00 p.m. in Argentina depending on the European winter or summer time and ends on the Monday following the 18:59:59 hs and that within that space of time I have to maintain or improve the form of my team.
I never had problems to control the amount of friendly played or to play to maintain the form and/or to improve it.
It is not so difficult, it is reviewed in disputed matches and/or in subsequent matches.

You take my previous post as a complaint and it is not wrong, it is a complaint because besides being a user I am a customer that every month brings money to the game and as a client I have that right, which I exercise with a lot of respect.
Having said that, I suggest that you do the update in such a way that it can be easily understood, as it is very confusing and I am not the only user who thinks so.

Regards,

Juan


Thank you for the response. Of course we want it to be as clear as possible for new users to understand how the time cycle works in regards of seasons, weeks, and days. It's very useful because that most game related updates follows the MZ Week, and not the regular calendar week.

One update we added along with the friendlies update was to make the "Seasons, Weeks, Days" -text in the header clickable - showing a popup with more relevant info about the server time compared to local time (https://www.managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=news&id=header_time_cycles_mzseasons).

After the initial friendlies release we also decided (after feedback from our users) to add weekdaysv abbreviations into the schedule. We made it clickable - showing a popup with more info about which dates belongs to which game day, for the upcoming week (https://www.managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=news&id=weekdays_mzdays_dates).

Additional changes might be necessary to make it even more clear, and the explanation / introduction for new users is definitely something that we want to improve a lot, because we know how important it is with knowledge about the MZ time cycle.

I'm sure that many managers have very good control of their players' form. Most likely, the problem the ones having trouble might only be new managers as well as managers with several different teams in all age levels. We believe that the new setup will make it easier to understand for all managers, along with additional changes planned in the future.

Of course, you are a paying customer like many others and we truly care about all our customers, paying as no paying. You definitely have the right to share you opinion and would never take that right away, instead I encourage you to do so. What was difficult for me to understand when reading your first post was what you really wanted to be changed, since only thing written was that you did not like the new update, and not what we could do to improve it.

Lots of users (paying as non-paying customers) have shared their opinion about the recent updates. We have both had managers who like it very much, as well as managers who did not like it much at all. It will never be possible to satisfy everyone, but please don't stop sharing your opinion like everyone else because we really want to hear what our users think, so we can make necessary tweaks to improve everything we do.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Regards,
Robert

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aikaik wrote:
Thank you for the response. Of course we want it to be as clear as possible for new users to understand how the time cycle works in regards of seasons, weeks, and days. It's very useful because that most game related updates follows the MZ Week, and not the regular calendar week.

One update we added along with the friendlies update was to make the "Seasons, Weeks, Days" -text in the header clickable - showing a popup with more relevant info about the server time compared to local time (https://www.managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=news&id=header_time_cycles_mzseasons).

After the initial friendlies release we also decided (after feedback from our users) to add weekdaysv abbreviations into the schedule. We made it clickable - showing a popup with more info about which dates belongs to which game day, for the upcoming week (https://www.managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=news&id=weekdays_mzdays_dates).

Additional changes might be necessary to make it even more clear, and the explanation / introduction for new users is definitely something that we want to improve a lot, because we know how important it is with knowledge about the MZ time cycle.

I'm sure that many managers have very good control of their players' form. Most likely, the problem the ones having trouble might only be new managers as well as managers with several different teams in all age levels. We believe that the new setup will make it easier to understand for all managers, along with additional changes planned in the future.

Of course, you are a paying customer like many others and we truly care about all our customers, paying as no paying. You definitely have the right to share you opinion and would never take that right away, instead I encourage you to do so. What was difficult for me to understand when reading your first post was what you really wanted to be changed, since only thing written was that you did not like the new update, and not what we could do to improve it.

Lots of users (paying as non-paying customers) have shared their opinion about the recent updates. We have both had managers who like it very much, as well as managers who did not like it much at all. It will never be possible to satisfy everyone, but please don't stop sharing your opinion like everyone else because we really want to hear what our users think, so we can make necessary tweaks to improve everything we do.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Regards,
Robert


Believe me, it was a lot easier before this update, the only thing we needed was an option to send double friendlies to accept or reject with one click, the rest of this update in my personal opinion is total useless.

Regards,

Juan

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Please add the link to the friendly's forum on the friendlies section like before.

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As with many changes made in the past, including this one...it takes me awhile to adjust...and time to address fixes that could make the change easier or more informative.

Now that it has been in place for about a week or two...I think it is a great update...it keeps me in line with the proper number of friendlies from week to week (not that I had problem with that in the past but it takes less thinking). Especially, on Mondays and Tuesdays, to make sure the match is scheduled for the proper week.

Also, as a FMA, it will make it so much easier for me to help users who in the past have had countless problems with maintaining form...or meeting the requirement for friendlies for the tour bonus.

Great update.H

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I can not challenge anyone for Tuesday to Friday. They say either the opponent can ot be challenged, which is false, or they show the dates as unavailable, which is wrong again.

Tired...

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Thank you for letting us know. We Will investigate the problem and let you know when we know more.

Regards,
Robert

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[MZS]
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We have made some updates to the friendlies page after som evaluation and feedback:

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=news&nid=90126&localized_redirect=1

Regards,
Robert
 
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