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Strong runners and ball control

By killerbeeez (NC) - 11-10-2017 23:04

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I have noticed that some players just don't seem to lose the ball often regardless of the tackling prowess of the opposition midfielders or defenders. But I have a 10 speed 8 stamina 10 ball control winger who I moved into a more central role for tactical reason and he kept losing the ball so many times I lost count. Is there another skill that helps players run stronger with the ball? I mean surely 10 speed and 10 ball control and 8 stamina are enough but from today's evidence it isn't. So what am I missing?I have noticed that some players just don't seem to lose the ball often regardless of the tackling prowess of the opposition midfielders or defenders. But I have a 10 speed 8 stamina 10 ball control winger who I moved into a more central role for tactical reason and he kept losing the ball so many times I lost count. Is there another skill that helps players run stronger with the ball? I mean surely 10 speed and 10 ball control and 8 stamina are enough but from today's evidence it isn't. So what am I missing?

 

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Re: Strong runners and ball control

By frankiejhoffa - 12-10-2017 04:55

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I believe the result is determined on some total team algorithm. Individual player stats don’t often make sence . I’ve seen 4 ball shooters nail 5 goals out of 6 shots and 10 shoot 10 bc get 1 goal out of 15 shots .Dont even get me started on 9 PI players passing the ball backwards to no one with only the keeper to beat HoffaI believe the result is determined on some total team algorithm. Individual player stats don’t often make sence . I’ve seen 4 ball shooters nail 5 goals out of 6 shots and 10 shoot 10 bc get 1 goal out of 15 shots .Dont even get me started on 9 PI players passing the ball backwards to no one with only the keeper to beat

Hoffa

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By aurelrabei - 12-10-2017 06:59

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Strongly agree with hoffa. Altogether, a player must have a certain value. Pitch formation is also very important.Strongly agree with hoffa.
Altogether, a player must have a certain value.
Pitch formation is also very important.

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By killerbeeez (NC) - 12-10-2017 09:11

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Interesting point. I sometimes forget that these players are all numbers and calculations.

frankiejhoffa wrote:

I believe the result is determined on some total team algorithm. Individual player stats don’t often make sence . I’ve seen 4 ball shooters nail 5 goals out of 6 shots and 10 shoot 10 bc get 1 goal out of 15 shots .Dont even get me started on 9 PI players passing the ball backwards to no one with only the keeper to beat

Hoffa

Interesting point. I sometimes forget that these players are all numbers and calculations.

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By killerbeeez (NC) - 12-10-2017 09:12

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Formation also helps with how strong a player runs? Really?

aurelrabei wrote:

Strongly agree with hoffa.
Altogether, a player must have a certain value.
Pitch formation is also very important.

Formation also helps with how strong a player runs? Really?

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By bestplaymaker2134 - 12-10-2017 10:07

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Obviously? A player's position determines his role (runner passer etc.); relative to everyone else and the amount of space his has to execute his role.

killerbeeez wrote:

Formation also helps with how strong a player runs? Really?

Obviously? A player's position determines his role (runner passer etc.); relative to everyone else and the amount of space his has to execute his role.

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By aurelrabei - 12-10-2017 10:46

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2D or 3D are a graphic representation of the game between X and O. Every ball of every player, has a certain value. Altogether, if the player gets a note of 8 out of 10, then the player can play at 7, 8 or even 9 acording to his pitch position. It is the final result that matters.2D or 3D are a graphic representation of the game between X and O.
Every ball of every player, has a certain value.
Altogether, if the player gets a note of 8 out of 10, then the player can play at 7, 8 or even 9 acording to his pitch position.
It is the final result that matters.

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Re: Strong runners and ball control

By theloyalone - 12-10-2017 10:50

hahaha so so true mate [:D][:P]

frankiejhoffa wrote:

I believe the result is determined on some total team algorithm. Individual player stats don’t often make sence . I’ve seen 4 ball shooters nail 5 goals out of 6 shots and 10 shoot 10 bc get 1 goal out of 15 shots .Dont even get me started on 9 PI players passing the ball backwards to no one with only the keeper to beat

Hoffa

hahaha so so true mate :D:P

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By killerbeeez (NC) - 12-10-2017 10:57

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No strong runner here means that he can evade tackles easily. I'm sure you've seen players who just walk through your defenders even though you have 9 to 10 tackling players. That's what I mean. Some 9 to 10 speed 9 to 10 ball control players lose the ball easier than others. That's what Im curious about. Why does this happen?

bestplaymaker2134 wrote:

Obviously? A player's position determines his role (runner passer etc.); relative to everyone else and the amount of space his has to execute his role.

No strong runner here means that he can evade tackles easily. I'm sure you've seen players who just walk through your defenders even though you have 9 to 10 tackling players. That's what I mean. Some 9 to 10 speed 9 to 10 ball control players lose the ball easier than others. That's what Im curious about. Why does this happen?

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By civilu - 12-10-2017 11:01

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Rarely a very goodplayer between a nmediocre team makes a difference. This is why it's useless to have 2-3 very strong players and the rest crap because the team average is also important - it shouldn't be but that's another thing. However, more central players are tackled a lot more than wingers - usually there are 1 CM + 2 DMs +/- defenders who attempt to tackle a player in a mid-field position, whereas as a winger you have 1, maybe 2 defenders attempting a tackle - so the statistic behind this is obvious.Rarely a very goodplayer between a nmediocre team makes a difference. This is why it's useless to have 2-3 very strong players and the rest crap because the team average is also important - it shouldn't be but that's another thing.

However, more central players are tackled a lot more than wingers - usually there are 1 CM + 2 DMs +/- defenders who attempt to tackle a player in a mid-field position, whereas as a winger you have 1, maybe 2 defenders attempting a tackle - so the statistic behind this is obvious.

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By chucky06 - 12-10-2017 13:38

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He dominated on the wing because he usually only had one defender to beat. Having 10speed and 10bc that's significant to evade the one defender who he usually has to shake off. A lot of the time the pass beats the defender and the winger has a clear run anyhow so he's not necessarily having to beat them every time too. Moving him more central, speed is less important and not as effective to evade tackles. He's also more likely to have less time on the ball (much like real life, he has to control the ball more regularly as he's recieving from multiple angles too, not just a long ball from the back). He's likely to have at least two players engaging him too rather than the one. Typically, teams play their best defenders central rather than wing backs also which can be a contributing factor. Plenty of variables and reason why reallyHe dominated on the wing because he usually only had one defender to beat. Having 10speed and 10bc that's significant to evade the one defender who he usually has to shake off. A lot of the time the pass beats the defender and the winger has a clear run anyhow so he's not necessarily having to beat them every time too.

Moving him more central, speed is less important and not as effective to evade tackles. He's also more likely to have less time on the ball (much like real life, he has to control the ball more regularly as he's recieving from multiple angles too, not just a long ball from the back). He's likely to have at least two players engaging him too rather than the one.

Typically, teams play their best defenders central rather than wing backs also which can be a contributing factor.

Plenty of variables and reason why really

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By killerbeeez (NC) - 12-10-2017 13:40

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So in theory a team with an average of 9 balls in ball control will help forward players keep the ball more? Interesting.

civilu wrote:

Rarely a very goodplayer between a nmediocre team makes a difference. This is why it's useless to have 2-3 very strong players and the rest crap because the team average is also important - it shouldn't be but that's another thing.

However, more central players are tackled a lot more than wingers - usually there are 1 CM + 2 DMs +/- defenders who attempt to tackle a player in a mid-field position, whereas as a winger you have 1, maybe 2 defenders attempting a tackle - so the statistic behind this is obvious.

So in theory a team with an average of 9 balls in ball control will help forward players keep the ball more? Interesting.

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By killerbeeez (NC) - 12-10-2017 13:46

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Got it. But hear me out for a second. Have you found yourself in a situation that your defenders being 10 tacklers with 9 speed on average also for some reason just massage the players they're supposed to be tackling? They just stand there and the forward just brushes past them over and over again but with other teams that's not the case. So in a situation like this do you think this happens because the overall tackling of the team including even the keeper is below say 7 because the only decent tacklers are your defenders ? Or is it that ball control is favoured as more superior skill compared to tackling so it would be a wiser investment to buy players with average of 9 ball control from front to back so you ALSO have more chances to score again this tougher opponent?

chucky06 wrote:

He dominated on the wing because he usually only had one defender to beat. Having 10speed and 10bc that's significant to evade the one defender who he usually has to shake off. A lot of the time the pass beats the defender and the winger has a clear run anyhow so he's not necessarily having to beat them every time too.

Moving him more central, speed is less important and not as effective to evade tackles. He's also more likely to have less time on the ball (much like real life, he has to control the ball more regularly as he's recieving from multiple angles too, not just a long ball from the back). He's likely to have at least two players engaging him too rather than the one.

Typically, teams play their best defenders central rather than wing backs also which can be a contributing factor.

Plenty of variables and reason why really

Got it. But hear me out for a second. Have you found yourself in a situation that your defenders being 10 tacklers with 9 speed on average also for some reason just massage the players they're supposed to be tackling? They just stand there and the forward just brushes past them over and over again but with other teams that's not the case. So in a situation like this do you think this happens because the overall tackling of the team including even the keeper is below say 7 because the only decent tacklers are your defenders ? Or is it that ball control is favoured as more superior skill compared to tackling so it would be a wiser investment to buy players with average of 9 ball control from front to back so you ALSO have more chances to score again this tougher opponent?

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By chucky06 - 12-10-2017 13:52

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I think BC is the most underrated still in the game. I'd prefer a team with a higher average in BC rather than tacking. That's just my opinion though. Must be a reason why it takes so damn long to train, lol.I think BC is the most underrated still in the game. I'd prefer a team with a higher average in BC rather than tacking. That's just my opinion though.

Must be a reason why it takes so damn long to train, lol.

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By killerbeeez (NC) - 12-10-2017 13:59

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Upon watching some games I have to agree.

chucky06 wrote:

I think BC is the most underrated still in the game. I'd prefer a team with a higher average in BC rather than tacking. That's just my opinion though.

Must be a reason why it takes so damn long to train, lol.

Upon watching some games I have to agree.

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By bestplaymaker2134 - 12-10-2017 14:32

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You guys are reading into this way too much. Stop focusing on individual skills of individual players. Every player affects every other player on the field. I revamped my team just to make sure every midfielder and defender had 9+ tackling... Two of my midfielders in my last league game had 4 ball control. Would high BC help? Sure. But the recent-ish sim update favors defending.You guys are reading into this way too much. Stop focusing on individual skills of individual players. Every player affects every other player on the field.

chucky06 wrote:

I think BC is the most underrated still in the game. I'd prefer a team with a higher average in BC rather than tacking. That's just my opinion though.

I revamped my team just to make sure every midfielder and defender had 9+ tackling...

Two of my midfielders in my last league game had 4 ball control.

Would high BC help? Sure. But the recent-ish sim update favors defending.

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By killerbeeez (NC) - 12-10-2017 17:23

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I see that you play wing tactic. So may be a high team average for tackling favours teams that play on the wings and a high ball control average for short passing teams? What do you think? In terms of your National team setup and personal team?

bestplaymaker2134 wrote:

You guys are reading into this way too much. Stop focusing on individual skills of individual players. Every player affects every other player on the field.


I revamped my team just to make sure every midfielder and defender had 9+ tackling...

Two of my midfielders in my last league game had 4 ball control.

Would high BC help? Sure. But the recent-ish sim update favors defending.

I see that you play wing tactic. So may be a high team average for tackling favours teams that play on the wings and a high ball control average for short passing teams? What do you think? In terms of your National team setup and personal team?

Re: Strong runners and ball control

By bestplaymaker2134 - 13-10-2017 01:07

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Ahhh pardon me, I totally forgot that there was another play style..."short passing". I don't play short passing enough to have an opinion. Players run and get tackled a lot more in short passing, so I'd guess they need more speed/BC.

killerbeeez wrote:

I see that you play wing tactic. So may be a high team average for tackling favours teams that play on the wings and a high ball control average for short passing teams? What do you think? In terms of your National team setup and personal team?

Ahhh pardon me, I totally forgot that there was another play style..."short passing". I don't play short passing enough to have an opinion.

Players run and get tackled a lot more in short passing, so I'd guess they need more speed/BC.

 

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