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Does training effiency = Potential?

By killerbeeez (NC) - 11-10-2017 03:22

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Is training efficiency a key indicator for youth players as to what skill they will max in and in what skill they won't? I'm tempted to go with the common sense answer and just say yes but I'm curious to find out what other managers have experienced through trial and error and or through statistical analysis.Is training efficiency a key indicator for youth players as to what skill they will max in and in what skill they won't? I'm tempted to go with the common sense answer and just say yes but I'm curious to find out what other managers have experienced through trial and error and or through statistical analysis.

 

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Re: Does training effiency = Potential?

By scruttino - 11-10-2017 04:28

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Generally Yes, that's been my experience. But take into account that players train at different speeds, so fast training for a slow training player, will be different from fast training for a player who trains at a normal speed, and fast training for a fast training player.Generally Yes, that's been my experience. But take into account that players train at different speeds, so fast training for a slow training player, will be different from fast training for a player who trains at a normal speed, and fast training for a fast training player.

Re: Does training effiency = Potential?

By killerbeeez (NC) - 11-10-2017 04:34

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Aah ok. So at the end of the day it makes more sense to have a lot of fast training youths right? I mean if a player trains slowly then maxes in a critical skill at the end of the day that's going to be annoying especially with all the money spent on training camp and salaries. So keeping only fast training players makes sense to me because at least even if they do max out early they would have done so in record time. Which means savings and more time to get new players to try out for the club. What do you think?Aah ok. So at the end of the day it makes more sense to have a lot of fast training youths right? I mean if a player trains slowly then maxes in a critical skill at the end of the day that's going to be annoying especially with all the money spent on training camp and salaries. So keeping only fast training players makes sense to me because at least even if they do max out early they would have done so in record time. Which means savings and more time to get new players to try out for the club. What do you think?

Re: Does training effiency = Potential?

By killerbeeez (NC) - 11-10-2017 04:46

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And another thing. Why do some players start training slowly with regard to training efficiency (50%) then pick up speed as the weeks go by and train at a constant 70% training efficiency?And another thing. Why do some players start training slowly with regard to training efficiency (50%) then pick up speed as the weeks go by and train at a constant 70% training efficiency?

Re: Does training effiency = Potential?

By aurelrabei - 11-10-2017 09:28

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I presume you refer to TC. In TC first week training is 2X and increases up to 4X in the 5th one. As general opinion, maxings can happen anytime, despite the speed of training. Also this is the best keept secret of Managerzone :) Nobody knows for sure.

killerbeeez wrote:

And another thing. Why do some players start training slowly with regard to training efficiency (50%) then pick up speed as the weeks go by and train at a constant 70% training efficiency?

I presume you refer to TC.
In TC first week training is 2X and increases up to 4X in the 5th one.
As general opinion, maxings can happen anytime, despite the speed of training.
Also this is the best keept secret of Managerzone :)
Nobody knows for sure.

Re: Does training effiency = Potential?

By aldebaran - 11-10-2017 10:09

statistically speaking, training efficiency has nothing to do with skill potential fast training skill -> maxed early slow training skill -> maxed late but also fast training skill -> maxed late slow training skill -> maxed early in short, it's completely random that doesn't mean you should also train your players randomly the theoretical and practical way of training players in MZ (unless something changes in the future) is to hunt down those fast training skills and train them out till they max (leaving aside speed/stamina from this rules, since, at least for me, are the most important skills one should hunt down for maximizing them from day 1) there's no point in having a 19/20 year old player without a defined playing positionstatistically speaking, training efficiency has nothing to do with skill potential


fast training skill -> maxed early
slow training skill -> maxed late

but also

fast training skill -> maxed late
slow training skill -> maxed early

in short, it's completely random

that doesn't mean you should also train your players randomly
the theoretical and practical way of training players in MZ (unless something changes in the future) is to hunt down those fast training skills and train them out till they max (leaving aside speed/stamina from this rules, since, at least for me, are the most important skills one should hunt down for maximizing them from day 1)

there's no point in having a 19/20 year old player without a defined playing position

Re: Does training effiency = Potential?

By civilu - 11-10-2017 15:48

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The answer is a definite NO, since time after time it was disproved by so many players maxing afterhighly efficient training in a skill or the opposite. It's not less true that usually maxings come after less efficiency in training but that happens also because the last % to a full ball are gained the slowest so it can be an indicator but it isn't always so. Many managers sell their prospects, while green, when they think they will max at next ball yet I saw many (MANY!) examples of players not maxing as managers thought, just becoming lazy and decreasing in training efficiency. Maxing, as said time and time before, happens indifferent of training efficiency and I am almost 100% positive they are preset (maybe with some possible mishaps along the way or other random factors set to occur to a random choice of players). SO the rest is speed of training, which is something ranging from -2 to +2, with the majority of players being around 0 (normal).The answer is a definite NO, since time after time it was disproved by so many players maxing afterhighly efficient training in a skill or the opposite.

It's not less true that usually maxings come after less efficiency in training but that happens also because the last % to a full ball are gained the slowest so it can be an indicator but it isn't always so.

Many managers sell their prospects, while green, when they think they will max at next ball yet I saw many (MANY!) examples of players not maxing as managers thought, just becoming lazy and decreasing in training efficiency.

Maxing, as said time and time before, happens indifferent of training efficiency and I am almost 100% positive they are preset (maybe with some possible mishaps along the way or other random factors set to occur to a random choice of players). SO the rest is speed of training, which is something ranging from -2 to +2, with the majority of players being around 0 (normal).

Re: Does training effiency = Potential?

By killerbeeez (NC) - 11-10-2017 15:53

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Ok then wouldn't it make sense to just have players with high training effeciency regardless of whether they max early or not. I mean if a player is going to max at 5 balls wouldn't you want to know quicker so you can sell him or fire him? Instead of having a player that would take twice as long to reach those five balls because he trains slow. I don't know if I'm making sense?

civilu wrote:

The answer is a definite NO, since time after time it was disproved by so many players maxing afterhighly efficient training in a skill or the opposite.

It's not less true that usually maxings come after less efficiency in training but that happens also because the last % to a full ball are gained the slowest so it can be an indicator but it isn't always so.

Many managers sell their prospects, while green, when they think they will max at next ball yet I saw many (MANY!) examples of players not maxing as managers thought, just becoming lazy and decreasing in training efficiency.

Maxing, as said time and time before, happens indifferent of training efficiency and I am almost 100% positive they are preset (maybe with some possible mishaps along the way or other random factors set to occur to a random choice of players). SO the rest is speed of training, which is something ranging from -2 to +2, with the majority of players being around 0 (normal).

Ok then wouldn't it make sense to just have players with high training effeciency regardless of whether they max early or not. I mean if a player is going to max at 5 balls wouldn't you want to know quicker so you can sell him or fire him? Instead of having a player that would take twice as long to reach those five balls because he trains slow. I don't know if I'm making sense?

Re: Does training effiency = Potential?

By aldebaran - 11-10-2017 16:19

depends what you're aiming at if your focus is on uXX tournaments and the u23 stock market (see transfer list), then yes fast training is your thing if your focus is top tier titles, then you only care about high maxings regardless of training efficiency training camps have helped a lot in having maxed out players by the age of 25 (after that they only train in keeping and set pieces, maybe even some heading :P)depends what you're aiming at

if your focus is on uXX tournaments and the u23 stock market (see transfer list), then yes fast training is your thing

if your focus is top tier titles, then you only care about high maxings regardless of training efficiency

training camps have helped a lot in having maxed out players by the age of 25 (after that they only train in keeping and set pieces, maybe even some heading :P)

Re: Does training effiency = Potential?

By killerbeeez (NC) - 11-10-2017 16:30

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lol. I'll keep that in mind.

aldebaran wrote:

depends what you're aiming at

if your focus is on uXX tournaments and the u23 stock market (see transfer list), then yes fast training is your thing

if your focus is top tier titles, then you only care about high maxings regardless of training efficiency

training camps have helped a lot in having maxed out players by the age of 25 (after that they only train in keeping and set pieces, maybe even some heading :P)

lol. I'll keep that in mind.

 

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