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No 3D, No PT

By supertuteman - 18-09-2017 15:19

[FF.MZ]

If you dont have 3D you can forget about me paying for this game.... What about player items, goal celebs?? people have already invested ... Put your development where it belongs, make a 3D that works, please stop trying to make money inventing thousands of cups and leagues and under 23,21,18 ,etc,etc Please think it, like we managers do, in the LONG run.....If you dont have 3D you can forget about me paying for this game....
What about player items, goal celebs?? people have already invested ...
Put your development where it belongs, make a 3D that works, please stop trying to make money inventing thousands of cups and leagues and under 23,21,18 ,etc,etc
Please think it, like we managers do, in the LONG run.....

 

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Απ: No 3D, No PT

By nikolazpsadmin - 18-09-2017 21:45

[ATG]
President

I will still be buying PT but what I think is that 3d is the greatest advantage of the game. As far as I am concerned, this feature made me invest my time and money in the game. It was the first online management browser game having such a feature and I doubt if there is any other similar game having it. You simply cannot let 3rd be gone like this, This is my humble opinion.I will still be buying PT but what I think is that 3d is the greatest advantage of the game.
As far as I am concerned, this feature made me invest my time and money in the game.
It was the first online management browser game having such a feature and I doubt if there is any other similar game having it.

You simply cannot let 3rd be gone like this, This is my humble opinion.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By nanyc8 - 18-09-2017 22:14

What??? No more 3D in the future??? Are you joking?,3D is the only reason for me to stay here playing (8 years!) The day you suppress 3D is the same day I quit. I suggest you to develop the current 3D (not anyother one, the same) compatible with Chrome or Firefox, if not, I'm afraid Managerzone has it's days numbered [;(]What??? No more 3D in the future??? Are you joking?,3D is the only reason for me to stay here playing (8 years!) The day you suppress 3D is the same day I quit. I suggest you to develop the current 3D (not anyother one, the same) compatible with Chrome or Firefox, if not, I'm afraid Managerzone has it's days numbered

Re: No 3D, No PT

By aurelrabei - 18-09-2017 22:54

[BotP]

Guys, nowhere in the news says that 3D will be removed. They will just stop improving it, but we will still be able to watch the games with 3D engine [H]Guys, nowhere in the news says that 3D will be removed.
They will just stop improving it, but we will still be able to watch the games with 3D engine H

Re: No 3D, No PT

By luckyjoe - 18-09-2017 23:04

[-ROYAL]

"Both our 3D viewer and our Analyzer were excellent additions to ManagerZone when introduced" It not good. I started this game that I watched matche in 3D. I waiting for some update it but I saw that is death. MZ is getting death. See on Hattrick and his 20-th celebration . I hope you will call for your players who playedin the past to come back to MZ like Hattrick."Both our 3D viewer and our Analyzer were excellent additions to ManagerZone when introduced" It not good. I started this game that I watched matche in 3D. I waiting for some update it but I saw that is death. MZ is getting death. See on Hattrick and his 20-th celebration . I hope you will call for your players who playedin the past to come back to MZ like Hattrick.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By nanyc8 - 18-09-2017 23:10

Reading the news: "Today, most web browsers are blocking the use of NPAPI plugins (needed to power the 3D and Analyzer) and it is just a matter of time before all of them do." What should we understand? I think MZ should improve the 3D together with the html5 2D

aurelrabei wrote:

Guys, nowhere in the news says that 3D will be removed.
They will just stop improving it, but we will still be able to watch the games with 3D engine

Reading the news: "Today, most web browsers are blocking the use of NPAPI plugins (needed to power the 3D and Analyzer) and it is just a matter of time before all of them do." What should we understand? I think MZ should improve the 3D together with the html5 2D

Re: No 3D, No PT

By fern1967 - 19-09-2017 01:05

[MZ]

The day that ALL the web browsers will not support NPAPI plugins, is the same day that we will not able to see any more games with the 3D, and the 3D will be virtually (and in fact) removed. If the decision of MZ is to stop improving the 3D, this day will come soon, so i think that it will be a good decision if MZ will continue improving 3D so it can run in most web browsers without NPAPI plugins. I think that a lot of managers, if in the future we will not able to see matches with 3D, will think to stop playing the game, because 3D is one of the features (or THE FEATURE) that distinguishes MZ from the rest. I hope that MZ will continue offering a 3D to their users that can run in most web browsers.

aurelrabei wrote:

Guys, nowhere in the news says that 3D will be removed.
They will just stop improving it, but we will still be able to watch the games with 3D engine H

The day that ALL the web browsers will not support NPAPI plugins, is the same day that we will not able to see any more games with the 3D, and the 3D will be virtually (and in fact) removed. If the decision of MZ is to stop improving the 3D, this day will come soon, so i think that it will be a good decision if MZ will continue improving 3D so it can run in most web browsers without NPAPI plugins.
I think that a lot of managers, if in the future we will not able to see matches with 3D, will think to stop playing the game, because 3D is one of the features (or THE FEATURE) that distinguishes MZ from the rest. I hope that MZ will continue offering a 3D to their users that can run in most web browsers.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By aldebaran - 19-09-2017 08:54

if you do not update your browser, shouldn't it be able to still run 3d? asking this for a friend, cause I use chrome and have said bye bye to analyzer ages ago (never liked 3d)if you do not update your browser, shouldn't it be able to still run 3d?

asking this for a friend, cause I use chrome and have said bye bye to analyzer ages ago (never liked 3d)

Re: No 3D, No PT

By dowopado - 19-09-2017 17:34

[BotP]

Analyzer and 3D are still available currently...if in the future bowsers will not support those modes viewing then it seems we need to focus our attention on the remaining mode of viewing games...that is, 2D. So take this opportunity to provide Crew with your thoughts on 2d, and ideas to improve it which will provide an analyzer tool, as well as, the visual graphics of the 3D. thread moved to ManagerZone Talk forum for more viewing and input.Analyzer and 3D are still available currently...if in the future bowsers will not support those modes viewing then it seems we need to focus our attention on the remaining mode of viewing games...that is, 2D.

So take this opportunity to provide Crew with your thoughts on 2d, and ideas to improve it which will provide an analyzer tool, as well as, the visual graphics of the 3D.


thread moved to ManagerZone Talk forum for more viewing and input.

Edited: 19-09-2017 17:36
Total edits: 1

Re: No 3D, No PT

By aldebaran - 19-09-2017 18:22

put the "ball height" (the one analyzer has) bar in 2d and I'm ok with it :)put the "ball height" (the one analyzer has) bar in 2d and I'm ok with it :)

Re: No 3D, No PT

By supertuteman - 20-09-2017 01:12

[FF.MZ]

I guess that the answer by dowopado (MA) is quite clear, forget about 3D, there is not a will to make it work, it will simply fade way.......so sadI guess that the answer by dowopado (MA) is quite clear, forget about 3D, there is not a will to make it work, it will simply fade way.......so sad

Re: No 3D, No PT

By dowopado - 20-09-2017 06:05

[BotP]

Your statement in the quote, highlighted in red...is not what I stated. I never said forget about 3D...and never said there was no will to make it work.

supertuteman wrote:

I guess that the answer by dowopado (MA) is quite clear, forget about 3D, there is not a will to make it work, it will simply fade way.......so sad

Your statement in the quote, highlighted in red...is not what I stated.

I never said forget about 3D...and never said there was no will to make it work.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By evosa - 20-09-2017 06:11

[LEGEND]

Trust me..when that day comes that all browsers remove NPAPI plugin than someone with skills will create browser with NPAPI plugin enabled! So I wouldn't worry that much [:P]

News wrote:

"Today, most web browsers are blocking the use of NPAPI plugins (needed to power the 3D and Analyzer) and it is just a matter of time before all of them do."

Trust me..when that day comes that all browsers remove NPAPI plugin than someone with skills will create browser with NPAPI plugin enabled! So I wouldn't worry that much

Re: No 3D, No PT

By supertuteman - 20-09-2017 15:16

[FF.MZ]

Sorry dowopado, didnt mean to make you say something you did not want to... It is just a logical conclusion, if you add what evosa has written, it is now clear that MZ is not interested in 3D and hopes "someone" will solve the issue for them...? When we invest $ in 3D it becomes something to worry about....Sorry dowopado, didnt mean to make you say something you did not want to...
It is just a logical conclusion, if you add what evosa has written, it is now clear that MZ is not interested in 3D and hopes "someone" will solve the issue for them...? When we invest $ in 3D it becomes something to worry about....

Re: No 3D, No PT

By aurelrabei - 20-09-2017 15:40

[BotP]

Define irony : If the Crew doesn't hide the two buttons by default, nobody cares about 3D. *mic drop* [H]Define irony :
If the Crew doesn't hide the two buttons by default, nobody cares about 3D.
*mic drop* H

Odp: No 3D, No PT

By sowacz - 20-09-2017 17:00

[Ruch]

No 3D is not a disaster, so with only 2D managerzone will still be what it is. I always used 3D to watch matches, then I even started to use IE just to look at 3D but now. Well I am forced to use 2D and there is one feature, that I really miss. Scrolling progress bar with highlighted key events that can be moved to any selected event at any given time instead of accelerating, slowing down and reversing the pace of play.No 3D is not a disaster, so with only 2D managerzone will still be what it is. I always used 3D to watch matches, then I even started to use IE just to look at 3D but now. Well I am forced to use 2D and there is one feature, that I really miss. Scrolling progress bar with highlighted key events that can be moved to any selected event at any given time instead of accelerating, slowing down and reversing the pace of play.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By raybeker - 22-09-2017 01:57

*Edited* /powdersnow*Edited*

/powdersnow

Edited: 12-10-2017 17:39
Total edits: 1

Re: No 3D, No PT

By webunited - 26-09-2017 13:35

[Sugar]
President

bahh it looks like a ********* copycat :P

raybeker wrote:

********** has a 3D viewer and his tactics maker is much better than MZ

bahh
it looks like a ********* copycat :P

Edited: 13-10-2017 23:06
Total edits: 1

Re: No 3D, No PT

By supertuteman - 27-09-2017 15:11

[FF.MZ]

its a piece of infantile [color=red]***[/color]... I guess people don't care, why should I? goodbye everyone, I`m done with MZits a piece of infantile ***...
I guess people don't care, why should I?
goodbye everyone, I`m done with MZ

Edited: 27-09-2017 15:31
Total edits: 1

Re: No 3D, No PT

By darkline - 28-09-2017 17:22

[FLUSA]
President

Wait, you're not forced to watch 2D, you can still watch 3D with IE... you just need to enable the 3D since it's disabled (hidden) by default

sowacz wrote:

No 3D is not a disaster, so with only 2D managerzone will still be what it is. I always used 3D to watch matches, then I even started to use IE just to look at 3D but now. Well I am forced to use 2D and there is one feature, that I really miss. Scrolling progress bar with highlighted key events that can be moved to any selected event at any given time instead of accelerating, slowing down and reversing the pace of play.

Wait, you're not forced to watch 2D, you can still watch 3D with IE... you just need to enable the 3D since it's disabled (hidden) by default

Ce: No 3D, No PT

By allcoaches - 08-10-2017 12:13

[FB]

No 3D, No PT +No 3D, No PT

+

Re: No 3D, No PT

By dowopado - 08-10-2017 23:43

[BotP]

We still have 3D.[H]

allcoaches wrote:

No 3D, No PT

+

We still have 3D.H

Re: No 3D, No PT

By etorrejon79 (RA) (NCA) - 09-10-2017 03:32

[EsRoCH]

I think that was a mistake leave to develop 3D viewer...its the reason of thousand of users to watch the match, the equipment of your teams, the tatoos and celebrations buyed of the players...without 3D, no sense edit the equipment, for example, or buy tattos, boots, celebrations, therefore, you would no need buy PT, only a few to participate in cups and leagues...I think that was a mistake leave to develop 3D viewer...its the reason of thousand of users to watch the match, the equipment of your teams, the tatoos and celebrations buyed of the players...without 3D, no sense edit the equipment, for example, or buy tattos, boots, celebrations, therefore, you would no need buy PT, only a few to participate in cups and leagues...

Re: No 3D, No PT

By smiffythebull - 09-10-2017 06:18

[BotP]

What he said, I was a fully paid up member i am no longer.. bring back 3D i will become a member again... new managers dont understand.. the 3D was taken away because it showed all the faults with the sim... take away 3D and the faults are gone..

supertuteman wrote:

If you dont have 3D you can forget about me paying for this game....
What about player items, goal celebs?? people have already invested ...
Put your development where it belongs, make a 3D that works, please stop trying to make money inventing thousands of cups and leagues and under 23,21,18 ,etc,etc
Please think it, like we managers do, in the LONG run.....

What he said, I was a fully paid up member i am no longer.. bring back 3D i will become a member again... new managers dont understand.. the 3D was taken away because it showed all the faults with the sim... take away 3D and the faults are gone..

Re: No 3D, No PT

By bestplaymaker2134 - 09-10-2017 06:31

[AUSNZ]

*Edited* /powdersnow*Edited*

/powdersnow

Edited: 12-10-2017 17:38
Total edits: 1

Re: No 3D, No PT

By aurelrabei - 09-10-2017 06:48

[BotP]

Nobody toke away the 3D. It is only hidden by default. Go to settings/game play and enable them. As long as there will be a browser that supports the 3D and analyser, nobody will remove the 3D.

smiffythebull wrote:

What he said, I was a fully paid up member i am no longer.. bring back 3D i will become a member again... new managers dont understand.. the 3D was taken away because it showed all the faults with the sim... take away 3D and the faults are gone..

Nobody toke away the 3D.
It is only hidden by default.
Go to settings/game play and enable them.
As long as there will be a browser that supports the 3D and analyser, nobody will remove the 3D.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By bestplaymaker2134 - 09-10-2017 06:52

[AUSNZ]

*Edited* /powdersnow*Edited*

/powdersnow

Edited: 12-10-2017 17:40
Total edits: 1

Re: No 3D, No PT

By supertuteman - 09-10-2017 14:55

[FF.MZ]

aurelrabei and dowopado keep dodging the issue by stating the 3D has not gone away, just hidden....???? like that fixes the issue at stake What we are discussing is that to see the game in 3D you practically have to be a computer programer or have navegators that are so old and obsolete that they are a security issue. We have learned in this forum that development for the future of 3D is not considered and expected to fade away quietly in hopes that "someone" outside of MZ staff will solve it. At one point it was suggested that the only one who cared is me...but you can see that is not so. I hope that this issue is picked up by MZ magazines and more users come to protest this direction MZ has taken. Ihave enjoyed the game many years and hope to keep doing so, but No 3D, No PTaurelrabei and dowopado keep dodging the issue by stating the 3D has not gone away, just hidden....???? like that fixes the issue at stake
What we are discussing is that to see the game in 3D you practically have to be a computer programer or have navegators that are so old and obsolete that they are a security issue. We have learned in this forum that development for the future of 3D is not considered and expected to fade away quietly in hopes that "someone" outside of MZ staff will solve it. At one point it was suggested that the only one who cared is me...but you can see that is not so.
I hope that this issue is picked up by MZ magazines and more users come to protest this direction MZ has taken.
Ihave enjoyed the game many years and hope to keep doing so, but No 3D, No PT

Re: No 3D, No PT

By aldebaran - 09-10-2017 15:18

trying hattrick back in 2003 was the reason for sticking to MZ, that and the vague promise of MZ Racing :P

bestplaymaker2134 wrote:

Everyone needs to play Hattrick just for the kit designer

trying hattrick back in 2003 was the reason for sticking to MZ,
that and the vague promise of MZ Racing :P

Re: No 3D, No PT

By aurelrabei - 09-10-2017 15:46

[BotP]

@supertuteman, i watch games in 3D and probably if 3D will no longer be supported, i will "retire" my self too, but why create a problem that doesn't exist ? My self and dowopado only stated that 3D is still working, it is not gone as many said it. That's all.@supertuteman, i watch games in 3D and probably if 3D will no longer be supported, i will "retire" my self too, but why create a problem that doesn't exist ?
My self and dowopado only stated that 3D is still working, it is not gone as many said it.
That's all.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By supertuteman - 09-10-2017 20:05

[FF.MZ]

It is obvious that you think I don`t understand written English...(not that you stated this, I`m not quoting you) So, I will restate what my complain has a paying customer is: 1- People have invested $$ in 3D 2- 3D is increasingly difficult to see and is a web security liability 3- There are no plans from MZ to upgrade it, or better it, or adapt it to the times 4- MZ would like to gear the game towards mobile phones (this is why 3D is not considered) Those are my complains, and not if the button is hidden. This is the perception I have of whats going on, if I`m wrong or right please adress the issuesIt is obvious that you think I don`t understand written English...(not that you stated this, I`m not quoting you)
So, I will restate what my complain has a paying customer is:
1- People have invested $$ in 3D
2- 3D is increasingly difficult to see and is a web security liability
3- There are no plans from MZ to upgrade it, or better it, or adapt it to the times
4- MZ would like to gear the game towards mobile phones (this is why 3D is not considered)
Those are my complains, and not if the button is hidden. This is the perception I have of whats going on, if I`m wrong or right please adress the issues

Re: No 3D, No PT

By powdersnow (Crew) - 12-10-2017 17:37

[BFTF]

It's a matter of where we want to prioritize our time and effort. Back in 2000-2010 a 3D was a pretty cool thing for a management game to have, but these days people care less about the glossy surface and more about the depth of content. We want MZ to be a game that you can play for years and not get bored. We want to make it even deeper, while also easier for new visitors to learn. Neither of those tasks are easy to achieve, and developing a state-of-the-art 3D would basically exhaust all our available resources, in order to achieve something that we don't actually think the game really needs. This is not to say that we will never develop a new 3D or incorporate 3D elements into our 2D. But for now you will have to accept the 3D situation "as is", and if this is a deal breaker for you then there isn't much we can do. Since 2017-09-18 when we hid 3D by default there hasn't been any negative impact on how most users browse MZ (or payment behavior), and that says a lot. I certainly empathize with those who love 3D and would miss it if we removed it completely, but we need to go where the opportunities are. In response to your point nr 2, watching our 3D in it's current state is not a liability, you can safely use Internet Explorer. I would also like to ask you all to keep a respectable and civil tone in this thread or I'll have to close it.

supertuteman wrote:

It is obvious that you think I don`t understand written English...(not that you stated this, I`m not quoting you)
So, I will restate what my complain has a paying customer is:
1- People have invested $$ in 3D
2- 3D is increasingly difficult to see and is a web security liability
3- There are no plans from MZ to upgrade it, or better it, or adapt it to the times
4- MZ would like to gear the game towards mobile phones (this is why 3D is not considered)
Those are my complains, and not if the button is hidden. This is the perception I have of whats going on, if I`m wrong or right please adress the issues

It's a matter of where we want to prioritize our time and effort. Back in 2000-2010 a 3D was a pretty cool thing for a management game to have, but these days people care less about the glossy surface and more about the depth of content. We want MZ to be a game that you can play for years and not get bored. We want to make it even deeper, while also easier for new visitors to learn. Neither of those tasks are easy to achieve, and developing a state-of-the-art 3D would basically exhaust all our available resources, in order to achieve something that we don't actually think the game really needs.

This is not to say that we will never develop a new 3D or incorporate 3D elements into our 2D. But for now you will have to accept the 3D situation "as is", and if this is a deal breaker for you then there isn't much we can do. Since 2017-09-18 when we hid 3D by default there hasn't been any negative impact on how most users browse MZ (or payment behavior), and that says a lot. I certainly empathize with those who love 3D and would miss it if we removed it completely, but we need to go where the opportunities are.

In response to your point nr 2, watching our 3D in it's current state is not a liability, you can safely use Internet Explorer.

I would also like to ask you all to keep a respectable and civil tone in this thread or I'll have to close it.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By theloyalone - 12-10-2017 18:41

supertuteman is on fire lolsupertuteman is on fire lol

Re: No 3D, No PT

By bestplaymaker2134 - 13-10-2017 11:42

[AUSNZ]

It hasn't even been a month yet, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

powdersnow wrote:

Since 2017-09-18 when we hid 3D by default there hasn't been any negative impact on how most users browse MZ (or payment behavior), and that says a lot..

It hasn't even been a month yet, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By matttombstone - 13-10-2017 21:52

[BotP]

I see a couple of edited posts, but then I see quotes of said edited posts not being edited! Was unaware you were no longer allowed to mention rival games.I see a couple of edited posts, but then I see quotes of said edited posts not being edited!

Was unaware you were no longer allowed to mention rival games.

Re: No 3D, No PT

By simbo737 - 14-10-2017 01:17

[PIARA]

No 3D, No PT [;)]No 3D, No PT

Re: No 3D, No PT

By lam - 16-10-2017 22:57

[Canada]

Guys all you have to do is click on the Gear icon at the top right of the page, click Gameplay Settings, and ENABLE 3D and then watch in Internet Explorer 11... It's not gone just hidden, NO PANIC!Guys all you have to do is click on the Gear icon at the top right of the page, click Gameplay Settings, and ENABLE 3D and then watch in Internet Explorer 11... It's not gone just hidden, NO PANIC!

Re: No 3D, No PT

By lukaszsz182 (RA) (NCA) - 17-10-2017 17:01

[POLSKA]

Hopefully they fix this, this game without 3D is nothing, it's fun sometimes to watch a full game in 3D. 2D is not good, no name bar, can't see which player is which. Crew should work on something that will support 3D. If 3D will be removed, please give us back tokens that we spent on players' hair, hats, tatoo etc... This game won't be as good as it was without 3D, just checking the score now and that's it... no analyzing game for me any more. It will just become another regular sport manager, before it was the best !Hopefully they fix this, this game without 3D is nothing, it's fun sometimes to watch a full game in 3D. 2D is not good, no name bar, can't see which player is which. Crew should work on something that will support 3D. If 3D will be removed, please give us back tokens that we spent on players' hair, hats, tatoo etc...

This game won't be as good as it was without 3D, just checking the score now and that's it... no analyzing game for me any more. It will just become another regular sport manager, before it was the best !

Re: No 3D, No PT

By chechip - 21-10-2017 00:36

No 3D, No PTNo 3D, No PT

Re: No 3D, No PT

By jmoretti6 - 24-10-2017 20:20

[WPZONE]

We can see Analyzer and 3D on Firefox !!, i make a guide on spanish forum Link: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12263211&forum_id=253&sport=soccerWe can see Analyzer and 3D on Firefox !!, i make a guide on spanish forum

Link: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12263211&forum_id=253&sport=soccer

Re: No 3D, No PT

By dowopado - 24-10-2017 21:52

[BotP]

Great to hear.[:D]Great to hear.:D

 

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